is halo 3 considered a failure according to you?

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Halo 3 and Unreal Tournament are not that disimilar at all. That goes for the multiplayer aspect. Human cannons? Unreal Tournamnet has those, guns that charge up, Unreal Tournament has those, flying vehicles, UT has those too. The only thing that Halo doesn't have is better game modes for multiplayer.

Ninja-Hippo

It's easy to just look for similar things; both have guns! :o Do they look or play anything like each other whatsoever? No.

They play very similar.

I really just played it for the SP so yeah it did, the story was, well apart from the whole Aliens Vs Humans and other little bits there was none. Still know nothing about master chief...

I was also expecting it too look great, which it did not.

NinjaMunkey01

Excellent read btw

Though if you are pleased its there, that is fine, as for steamrolling, you can indeed tweak the difficulty.

skrat_01

Turning mythic and blind skulls on is hardly "tweaking" anything. It turns an easy level into a borderline-impossible pit of hell.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Instead we got Rebbeca Keyes...

lafigueroa

To you, perhaps. There's people who liked her character.

They play very similar.

dream431ca

:lol:

No they dont. Unreal is a twitch game. Halo plays nothing like it at all.

From the time I've been here, I've seen many people bash the game instead of people hyping and praising it, but that's just what I saw. (Don't let the date I joined fool you. I just signed up and never came back a few months after.)

The game is really good and is the game I mostly play. I enjoy the way people are able to share screenshots of their best action in the game. The ranking system is ok and it still adds a more competitive feeling in between every person online. The story is very interesting and has a pretty good ending for the story IMO. I always wished the game had a more dark and gritty look instead of all those colors because Halo seems like it had a more darker(but not too dark) feeling than that was portrayed.

But overall, the game is definitely not a failure. If it is anything, it is a success. Those who hate it most likely suck at it, haven't played it, or just take jolly rides on the hate bandwagon because they can't think for themselves.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Halo 3 and Unreal Tournament are not that disimilar at all. That goes for the multiplayer aspect. Human cannons? Unreal Tournamnet has those, guns that charge up, Unreal Tournament has those, flying vehicles, UT has those too. The only thing that Halo doesn't have is better game modes for multiplayer.

dream431ca

It's easy to just look for similar things; both have guns! :o Do they look or play anything like each other whatsoever? No.

They play very similar.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

They play very similar.

Ninja-Hippo

:lol:

No they dont. Unreal is a twitch game. Halo plays nothing like it at all.

Are you positive?

Already explained it all in Fall Of Reach :)

Excellent read btw

angelkimne

I disagree with that really. Bungie said how they make the cutscenes short and movie-like to minimise repetitivness and to stop people just skipping them; but i say let them skip if they cant be bothered to enjoy a good story. We shouldnt have to read the books to get all the deeper stuff.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Though if you are pleased its there, that is fine, as for steamrolling, you can indeed tweak the difficulty.

Ninja-Hippo

Turning mythic and blind skulls on is hardly "tweaking" anything. It turns an easy level into a borderline-impossible pit of hell.

Its like selecting godlike for bots in UT04, then adding an instagib mutator - for instance, in a different comparison.

[QUOTE="papi_lekker"]i didnt see the hate for halo1 nor halo2(expect its ending), but for halo 3 its massive. its not even funny anymore, because halo 3 in my oppinion is the best game out for the xbox 360. even tough your oppinion may differ, there is no need for the hate the game gets, because it deserves much much better...SolidTy

You're obviously young. There was a TON of HATE for the original Halo, and ESPECIALLY HALO 2. In retrospect, they are considered better games than HALO 3, sure, but they had HATE as well.

HALO 3 failed to evolve in the same large leaps and bounds many 360 users expected. Heck, with COD4, Battlefield, and other games stealing ONLINE HALO players, it is evident HALO 3's Online community isn't as strong as Halo 2's, but maybe that's just me.

You're obviously making assumptions about people

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

They play very similar.

dream431ca

:lol:

No they dont. Unreal is a twitch game. Halo plays nothing like it at all.

Are you positive?

I've said before that i'm a big UT2k4 fan. I hated UT3 though, even though when it first came out i was telling everyone to give it a chance. I was wrong. It's not a great game at all.

UT2k4 is fast and intense, however. Halo is not. Halo 3 in particular is about firefights, not blinding round a corner and popping someone's head.

I mean tweaking as in modifying the gameplay with those unlockable 'mutators', rather than selecting a difficulty level.

Its like selecting godlike for bots in UT04, then adding an instagib mutator - for instance, in a different comparison.

skrat_01

Fair enough. And as a fellow UT04 player; would you say it plays just like Halo? Because i really couldnt disagree more.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

They play very similar.

Ninja-Hippo

:lol:

No they dont. Unreal is a twitch game. Halo plays nothing like it at all.

Are you positive?

I've said before that i'm a big UT2k4 fan. I hated UT3 though, even though when it first came out i was telling everyone to give it a chance. I was wrong. It's not a great game at all.

UT2k4 is fast and intense, however. Halo is not. Halo 3 in particular is about firefights, not blinding round a corner and popping someone's head.

So Halo 3 is like unreal tournament only at a slower pace and more firefights?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

They play very similar.

dream431ca

:lol:

No they dont. Unreal is a twitch game. Halo plays nothing like it at all.

Are you positive?

I've said before that i'm a big UT2k4 fan. I hated UT3 though, even though when it first came out i was telling everyone to give it a chance. I was wrong. It's not a great game at all.

UT2k4 is fast and intense, however. Halo is not. Halo 3 in particular is about firefights, not blinding round a corner and popping someone's head.

So Halo 3 is like unreal tournament only at a slower pace and more firefights?

So Halo 3 is like unreal tournament only at a slower pace and more firefights?

dream431ca

No. Halo plays nothing like Unreal at all. Unreal is a twitch shooter. Halo... isnt.

EDIT: have you actually played either of these games? :?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

They play very similar.

dream431ca

:lol:

No they dont. Unreal is a twitch game. Halo plays nothing like it at all.

Are you positive?

Dude, have you played Halo 3 at all?

Halo 3 and Unreal Tournament's gameplay styles are nothing alike.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Instead we got Rebbeca Keyes...

lafigueroa

To you, perhaps. There's people who liked her character.

I was definitely disappointed in the singleplayer. Halo 2 was my first Halo game, and I went into that with pretty low SP expectations, because I just wanted the online multiplayer. And its singleplayer wasn't that good, and the online MP was fantastic.

With Halo 3, I expected things to be different. And while they were different, and it was probably better than Halo 2, I was hoping for something even greater than that, and I didn't get it. Oh well.

But it's far from a failure, because the online multiplayer is even better than Halo 2's was, both in terms of how it plays and in the featureset. Lessening the focus on dual-wielding brings out the best in the combat, and I've seen some fantastic gametypes and such, thanks to the very mutable custom game rules, and the power of Forge to make good tweaks to maps. Rocket Race is a fantastic game variant.

Also, Halo 3 plays nothing like UT04. They could hardly be more different.

to be honest the single player left something to be desired for me

but the multiplayer is amazing

its just a matter of opinion and gaming styles i think

There are also people who care for the fate of Nathan Hale and the Pointman from F.E.A.R.thrones

Miranda is hardly a pivotal character. I dont know why you're singling her out. She's got a lot more to her than Nathan Hale, though. And if you didnt feel the slightest bit of emotion when she died, you either simply arent paying nearly enough attention, or are expecting oscar winning drama from a videogame.

It was also quite an emotional moment when Johnson died, as well as the ending where Chief had to hold on for dear life.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

They play very similar.

The_Game21x

:lol:

No they dont. Unreal is a twitch game. Halo plays nothing like it at all.

Are you positive?

Dude, have you played Halo 3 at all?

Halo 3 and Unreal Tournament's gameplay styles are nothing alike.

i agree. how you can say they are slightly similar is beyond me :?

The level design was pretty compact to me, even when it was open space it felt longer than wider.... I just could not see what was great about it. Doing everything okay may be good enough for some but for me that kind of game (which doesn't introduce anything more than new guns and new grenades plus equipment) just doesn't cut it any more.

I think another core issue here is that most of Halos original simplicity was lost. You have like 4 types of grenades, and in multiplayer nobody really appreciates this, they just spam them. Like for example, I first played the beta and thought "well... it looks awful but no doubt they will improve that" (which they did, slightly, and only for single player), then I saw the spike grenades.... they don't do anything that plasma grenades don't already do, but just have a smaller radius.

So I established that 1 button grenade use + 8 total grenades = bad design.

The idea is simplicity and they lost that, and then they lost the decent maps for multiplayer. The new ones in Halo 3 were awful.

The level design was pretty compact to me, even when it was open space it felt longer than wider.... I just could not see what was great about it. Doing everything okay may be good enough for some but for me that kind of game (which doesn't introduce anything more than new guns and new grenades plus equipment) just doesn't cut it any more.

I think another core issue here is that most of Halos original simplicity was lost. You have like 4 types of grenades, and in multiplayer nobody really appreciates this, they just spam them. Like for example, I first played the beta and thought "well... it looks awful but no doubt they will improve that" (which they did, slightly, and only for single player), then I saw the spike grenades.... they don't do anything that plasma grenades don't already do, but just have a smaller radius.

So I established that 1 button grenade use + 8 total grenades = bad design.

The idea is simplicity and they lost that, and then they lost the decent maps for multiplayer. The new ones in Halo 3 were awful.

leejohnson7

actually you can't close-up stick with a plasma grenade without blowing yourself up and spike grenades rip vehicles apart. incendiarys don;t aooear in matchmaking

to me it is .. the campaign isn't good enough

especially since i'm not much of a multiplayer gamer

it was overrated and the graphics werent that different from halo 2naruto7777

completely wrong. this isn't about opinions, it's just wrong. i recently decided to go back to halo 2, just to jog me memory on how it felt like again. i chode the map zanzibar, known as last resort in halo 3, and OH GOD MY EYES: they sky looked as drab as anything, the rock faces were ATROCIOUS, gery with bits of green which looked like plasitcine. same with everything. it was just so terrible. especially since it was ocnsidered one of the greatest lookers when t came out.it hasn'tgot half the crispness, detail, or vibrance of halo 3 at all. never say that again.

4 Player co-op a negative? Massive fail.

Halo 3 was a great game, and still is.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

I mean tweaking as in modifying the gameplay with those unlockable 'mutators', rather than selecting a difficulty level.

Its like selecting godlike for bots in UT04, then adding an instagib mutator - for instance, in a different comparison.

Ninja-Hippo

Fair enough. And as a fellow UT04 player; would you say it plays just like Halo? Because i really couldnt disagree more.

The core game design idea is there - weapons, death match and whatnot, but at the same time the games are dramatically different in play styles and game design execution

No it does not play like UT.

The core game design idea is there - weapons, death match and whatnot, but at the same time the games are dramatically different in play styles and game design execution

skrat_01

I see game school is doing wonders for you.

Not only has your tone become more.... "cultured" or "learned", I remember it was you that tried to make a point that Halo was just a very slow paced version of UT2k4 :P.

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Anyway to the thread in general, in hindsight I don't think it's a failure, commercially or critically. It's just that people expected the Second Coming instead of a sequel.

I see game school is doing wonders for you.

Not only has your tone become more.... "cultured" or "learned", I remember it was you that tried to make a point that Halo was just a very slow paced version of UT2k4 :P.

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Anyway to the thread in general, in hindsight I don't think it's a failure, commercially or critically. It's just that people expected the Second Coming instead of a sequel.

FrozenLiquid

As for the thread in general, I agree. Alot of the opinion surrounding it, including my own is influenced by what was expected.

Yep.

They hyped it up and failed to deliver on every point.

Single player was horrible. Story sucked, horrible ending, HORRIBLE FACES, poor graphics
Multiplayer was nothing special. Horrible ranking system. Atrocious betrayal system.

Matt-4542

Exaggeration much? I don't think you made one accurate point there, well done.

Not much of an upgrade from halo 2. So Im disapointed. LOXO7