Is Horizon Zero Dawn the most subtle feminist AAA first party title to date?

More like you not understanding written text or statistics.

As usual video game fans are morons. I have no problem playing a game as a feminist or as Donald Trump or as a good guy or bad guy. It's a video game and as long as it's done well I'm happy. It is not a brainwashing tool like you reactionary morons might think. Only the craziest of the crazies even use terms like "SJW".

@dakur: The game has been streamed in its entirety and all of what I have said has been confirmed to have taken place.

Shitstorm confirmed just like I predicted.

Might as well enjoy the show.

Damn if this is really true, I am not going to buy this game. Last thing we need is SJW's developing games. I'm just going to get Rise Of the Tomb Raider and the Uncharted DLC

Why should it matter if the Main Character is a Dude or a Chick?

I never understood this.

Just make the character interesting or something that the Player will actually give a shit about.

Lol during our conversations two people called your BS out while 0 challenged my assertions. I provided several links with statistical data you provided a link with an opinion piece. Stay mad

Although the age of sexual consent in Japan is 13 years of age, prefecture law usually overrides federal law, raising the age up to 18. The legal age of consent for sex in Tokyo and Nagano is 13, not 18 like the rest of the country.

For sexual consent issues, federal law is powerless against prefecture law.

Can't agree or disagree with the dude until we play the game. But yeah it would be the exact same problem, as women being throwaway characters to get fucked or create arbitrary conflict like the women of season 1 True Detective. Good show, and mostly good plotting, but the female characters on that season were paper thin as characters.

Feminism when done right, isn't the woman being better, it's women being treated as equals. In terms of getting similar level of effort to create a complete human being, now a lot of it also depends on the type of story you are telling, but for all the shit the US gamer review got. The following seems pretty damning:

I struggled to see why Aloy would go on these needless side tasks along the way of her ambitious quest. She doesn't have an all-encompassing job, like another grey-haired RPG hero. And growing up as an outcast, Aloy was openly shunned by other adult strangers even as an innocent child. Because of this, it's puzzling as to why Aloy would literally risk her life for the welfare of randos and that of the local tribe (and other tribes) that disregarded her mere existence throughout her childhood. There are painfully few instances over the course of the game where Aloy stands up for herself and grows a personality outside of the cookie cutter “sarcastic hero” that video games are prone to embedding in their protagonists.

Which similarly is a problem with how a lot of films are done today. Not from a social standpoint, but a lot of the characters behave in a manner that's become normal because "well that's just what that character does in these movies", and in return that's how our game characters are. They gotta be just good looking enough, but just normal enough that they aren't overpowered, pleasant, all that good stuff, but they don't act like a person. They don't come off believable, they are just passable.

Oh wow this thread went stupid.

yea but maggie's butt>>>>>

@mems_1224: **** that, Alexandra Daddarios knockers? God damn!

Sounds like off topic stuff creeping into system wars

That review may stop me from buying the game.

Gender parity? Because its not like a thousand years of evolution exist and woman are generally better nurtures and men are better fighters.

@zaryia: She's not fat, that's all what matters

True her body type is still quite bangable, but not my most preferred. Same goes for the face.

She's too manly overall.

And any story that challenges that makes you outraged? That's the really weird part. I loved the movie Planet of the Apes even though I understand man is smarter than Apes. Knowing that didn't effect my enjoyment or cause me to stage a boycott. Y'all are ridiculous!

@mark1974: No i just hate when SJW beta males cream their pants over this shit. I can't imagine in what way this would make a man excited.

However it seems like it is a good game set in a beautiful world with robot dinosaurs so ill probably pick it up.

@Quicksilver128: I doubt the point of the female character in this game is to "make a man excited". I think it is trying to portray a normal non sexualised person. I enjoy sexy ladies in video games as much as the next guy but it isn't a requirement. It would be nice if women could enjoy playing these video games too. They don't just exist as nerd fantasies for men. I don't think a strong female character who isn't half naked should be considered controversial.

I don't think any "SJW beta males" literally creamed their pants. It's ok if they did however. It's a big world and there is nothing wrong with different kinds of people enjoying different kinds of games. Why hate people who are different from you? I would hate to live in a world were everyone thinks the same as me.

@mark1974: No i personally just dont enjoy playing female heroes, I never have. If there are man that enjoy it thats fine but its always been something that just doesn't appeal to me.

If the game is good enough i can overlook it but its a bit concerning to me that nearly half of all game heroes seem to be female now.

@Quicksilver128: Yeah, there are a lot of female characters these days. I've always been fine with playing as a female character. I never see the character as me though, I know a lot of people do that. I like escapism in my games and I prefer to play as an alien or something exotic like that. I've never wanted the character to be more like me. As a hetero sexual male I enjoy looking at a female character more than a male I guess. In the end it doesn't make much of a difference to me. For example, in movies I don't care if it focuses on a female or male lead. I would be interested in a woman's take on this issue.

@mark1974: I always thought it was just more relateable to me to play as a male character. Take the Witcher 3 for an example, when you choose between Triss or Yen. Those are entertaining sections but it wouldn't have been as enjoyable if i was playing as a female.

I always like the epic showdowns between the heroes and villian. Solid snake vs Liquid, Cloud vs Sephiroth, its just not the same with a female hero, for me anyway.

Does it punish the player for sitting with his legs apart? Does it drone endlessly about how oppressed it is whilst boring you to tears?

I could care less about race, sex in games I play. Just want the game to be good. People focus too much on desiring to see their own agendas present in all areas of life.

Metroid did it first and that was subtle for sure.

@93BlackHawk93: Heck yeah, Samus is OG.

@93BlackHawk93: Yeah, that was one of the greatest twists ever. Back then when people weren't so goofy no one even screamed "SJW" or threatened to boycott the game. Simpler times.... Less stupid people...

You're a heretic.

Yup love it!

Exactly, people have grown soft today.

Honestly I never thought about it. Seemed like normal game stuff to me. I just hope it's fun.

Personally I see no reason why you can't choose the looks, sex, race, everything about your protagonist in EVERY game these days. I hate it when my character is picked for me, like in the Witcher or Splinter Cell or many others. Make it like Fallout 4 or Mass Effect where you can design your avatar and the voice acting adjusts. No reason that could not have happened in this game. That option makes everyone happy. Want to always play black females, there you go. If I want to make my ultimate white macho dude I can. Why can't we do this in this day and age. Dont box me in.

Hehe nice one

Cheers to that. Just sit down and enjoy the freaking game or don't.

Amen

There should always be games that have a fix protagonist and games that let you make your own character. We can and will take both, thank you very much :)

Right now though, some gamers not only want their own characters but seems like they also want their characters properly reflect who or what they were thinking of while they were masturbating. :D

tbh, its nice and all but well i think its taking quality development time and resources from...you know, actually working on the gameplay mechanics you know? But then, for some people, who you bone IS the game. lol

Aloy is far far from a feminist character. Unlike modern feminist Aloy does not bitch and cry about how she's oppressed instead she proves using her skills that she is a total badass at the start of the game.

@darklight4: Maybe cause she lives in the ideal feminist world eh?

Really don't care what race, gender or skin color a protagonist has either. I really hate when people focus so much on gender politics and race instead of just enjoying games for they offer. If the game is good it's good, if it's mediocre it's mediocre and if it's bad it's bad. Of course, it also comes down to personal taste. One of my friends freaking love VN (visual Novel) and games with longs ass cutscenes. I dislike both. but that just me.

Most games (and movies) that force their agenda is everywhere. To avoid them is like avoid bad humor and bacteria :P

Where all people are dumb helpless NPC? :P

To be completely fair you do all these side quests so you got shit to do lol. They don't really care about giving Aloy a valid reason to help these people. Just do it cause it's more content. Don't overthink things as to why you do them.

Strong female protagonists are nothing new.

I'm one of those people that's had a life full of great sex. And had relationships short, and long term. And am currently married.

I was just telling my wife yesterday how much I LOVE this game because of it's natural (not forced) female power. Aloy is SO badass. I love that she's not another Miranda from ME, or another video game girl designed to get little boys feeling funny in their pants.

Anyways...yeah...I give the devs mad respect for not only how good this game is, but the sexual/gender/racial overtones of equality they've managed to work in without forcing it.

I've been a long time fan of TR, but I would have to said that I actually think Aloy is a more interesting character than Lara. Maybe it's the english accent, makes Lara sounds snooty.

@xdude85 said:

Incoming shitstorm of gamers who think they know everything about feminism.

Feminist was a trigger word added to the thread as click bait. Most normal dudes HATE that word.

Really?? Oh man thats not good. All the men are portrayed as weak, dumb or evil? That does sound like a feminist agenda.

I like strong female characters, including protagonists, antagonists and every other type of character, and I like all kinds of diversity in games as well. It's awesome when you can get a strong female character in a game, like Samus, to Lara Croft, etc. But when it's described in the terms that that writer does, and it's highlighted to such a degree, it makes me hate it a bit. Seriously, "patriarchal"? I couldn't cringe hard enough at that part. It makes the game seem more like preachy garbage than just genuinely great. Luckily I don't believe that that's what the game is really about.