Is it just me or the past few days cows picked up the damage control?

Maybe it is just me but it seems that way. I am sure they are getting nervous about NPD comming out in a couple days. Knowing this will be the second Nov they will get crushed which is a HUGE holiday month. Also being that not one month for NPD has the PS3 ever come in second place let alone first.

Here is how the NPD has broken down so far.

NPD Monthly Console Hardware Sales

Month      |    360    |    PS3    |    Wii    
Nov/2005   |   326,000 |           |     
Dec/2005   |   281,000 |           |  
Jan/2006   |   250,000 |           | 
Feb/2006   |   161,000 |           | 
Mar/2006   |   192,000 |           | 
Apr/2006   |   295,000 |           | 
May/2006   |   221,000 |           |  
Jun/2006   |   277,000 |           |  
Jul/2006   |   207,000 |           |  
Aug/2006   |   205,000 |           | 
Sep/2006   |   259,000 |           | 
Oct/2006   |   218,000 |           | 
Nov/2006   |   511,000 |   197,000 |   476,000
Dec/2006   | 1,100,000 |   491,000 |   604,000 
Jan/2007   |   294,000 |   244,000 |   436,000 
Feb/2007   |   228,000 |   127,000 |   335,000
Mar/2007   |   199,000 |   130,000 |   259,000 
Apr/2007   |   174,000 |    82,000 |   360,000
May/2007   |   155,000 |    82,000 |   338,000
Jun/2007   |   198,000 |    99,000 |   382,000
Jul/2007   |   170,000 |   159,000 |   425,000 
Aug/2007   |   277,000 |   131,000 |   404,000
Sep/2007   |   528,000 |   119,000 |   501,000
Oct/2007   |   366,000 |   121,000 |   519,000
Total      | 7,092,000 | 1,981,000 | 5,039,000

Intregued? Yes.

Nervous? No. Why the hell would i be nervous? Last place is a given, there is nothing to be nervous about.

If you ask me, Sony has a whole division of bogus forum posters, who do nothing but badmouth thier competitors, and spread false information. :O Info that ps drones lap up and spread even further.

If you ask me, Sony has a whole division of bogus forum posters, who do nothing but badmouth thier competitors, and spread false information. :O Info that ps drones lap up and spread even further.

Bazfrag

Right, because people who defend the PS3 must be Sony employees, while people who defend the 360 and Wii must be genuine gamers.

:roll:

Cows are getting "owned" ( :roll: ) today, that's why.

Hopefully it gives the rest of us a break from the endless PS3 sales threads.

Maybe it is just me but it seems that way. I am sure they are getting nervous about NPD comming out in a couple days. Knowing this will be the second Nov they will get crushed which is a HUGE holiday month. Also being that not one month for NPD has the PS3 ever come in second place let alone first.

Here is how the NPD has broken down so far.

NPD Monthly Console Hardware Sales

Month      |    360    |    PS3    |    Wii    
Nov/2005   |   326,000 |           |     
Dec/2005   |   281,000 |           |  
Jan/2006   |   250,000 |           | 
Feb/2006   |   161,000 |           | 
Mar/2006   |   192,000 |           | 
Apr/2006   |   295,000 |           | 
May/2006   |   221,000 |           |  
Jun/2006   |   277,000 |           |  
Jul/2006   |   207,000 |           |  
Aug/2006   |   205,000 |           | 
Sep/2006   |   259,000 |           | 
Oct/2006   |   218,000 |           | 
Nov/2006   |   511,000 |   197,000 |   476,000
Dec/2006   | 1,100,000 |   491,000 |   604,000 
Jan/2007   |   294,000 |   244,000 |   436,000 
Feb/2007   |   228,000 |   127,000 |   335,000
Mar/2007   |   199,000 |   130,000 |   259,000 
Apr/2007   |   174,000 |    82,000 |   360,000
May/2007   |   155,000 |    82,000 |   338,000
Jun/2007   |   198,000 |    99,000 |   382,000
Jul/2007   |   170,000 |   159,000 |   425,000 
Aug/2007   |   277,000 |   131,000 |   404,000
Sep/2007   |   528,000 |   119,000 |   501,000
Oct/2007   |   366,000 |   121,000 |   519,000
Total      | 7,092,000 | 1,981,000 | 5,039,000

Eltroz

NPD is great and all, but there is more to the world than the US :?

[QUOTE="Bazfrag"]

If you ask me, Sony has a whole division of bogus forum posters, who do nothing but badmouth thier competitors, and spread false information. :O Info that ps drones lap up and spread even further.

fuzzysquash

Right, because people who defend the PS3 must be Sony employees, while people who defend the 360 and Wii must be genuine gamers.

:roll:

Hate to generalize, but you lemmings need to get something into your heads, worldwide is what matters, not what goes on in america, america's 1 country with it's set of cultural preferences, the rest of the world is very diferent.Eddie-Vedder

What on Earth are you talking about, notice how nobody here was referring to Worldwide sales until the BS3 fans started showing up ? Yes, thats because this thread is about NPD, not "Worldwide sales", perhaps if youre so culturally sensitive you could start a thread of your own.

Hate to generalize, but you lemmings need to get something into your heads, worldwide is what matters, not what goes on in america, america's 1 country with it's set of cultural preferences, the rest of the world is very diferent.Eddie-Vedder

I don't expect the PS3 to outsell the 360 in the US this holiday season, especially considering the fact that the 360 just got its biggest system seller, and the PS3 has yet to get one.

That's my honest opinion but it's labelled as pre-damage control in SW.

I don't expect the PS3 to outsell the 360 in the US this holiday season, especially considering the fact that the 360 just got its biggest system seller, and the PS3 has yet to get one.

That's my honest opinion but it's labelled as pre-damage control in SW.

the-very-best

dude, you could say "I like Pie" and sumone would call that damage control :?

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]

Maybe it is just me but it seems that way. I am sure they are getting nervous about NPD comming out in a couple days. Knowing this will be the second Nov they will get crushed which is a HUGE holiday month. Also being that not one month for NPD has the PS3 ever come in second place let alone first.

Here is how the NPD has broken down so far.

NPD Monthly Console Hardware Sales

Month      |    360    |    PS3    |    Wii    
Nov/2005   |   326,000 |           |     
Dec/2005   |   281,000 |           |  
Jan/2006   |   250,000 |           | 
Feb/2006   |   161,000 |           | 
Mar/2006   |   192,000 |           | 
Apr/2006   |   295,000 |           | 
May/2006   |   221,000 |           |  
Jun/2006   |   277,000 |           |  
Jul/2006   |   207,000 |           |  
Aug/2006   |   205,000 |           | 
Sep/2006   |   259,000 |           | 
Oct/2006   |   218,000 |           | 
Nov/2006   |   511,000 |   197,000 |   476,000
Dec/2006   | 1,100,000 |   491,000 |   604,000 
Jan/2007   |   294,000 |   244,000 |   436,000 
Feb/2007   |   228,000 |   127,000 |   335,000
Mar/2007   |   199,000 |   130,000 |   259,000 
Apr/2007   |   174,000 |    82,000 |   360,000
May/2007   |   155,000 |    82,000 |   338,000
Jun/2007   |   198,000 |    99,000 |   382,000
Jul/2007   |   170,000 |   159,000 |   425,000 
Aug/2007   |   277,000 |   131,000 |   404,000
Sep/2007   |   528,000 |   119,000 |   501,000
Oct/2007   |   366,000 |   121,000 |   519,000
Total      | 7,092,000 | 1,981,000 | 5,039,000

-Serpahim-

NPD is great and all, but there is more to the world than the US :?

I don't expect the PS3 to outsell the 360 in the US this holiday season, especially considering the fact that the 360 just got its biggest system seller, and the PS3 has yet to get one.

That's my honest opinion but it's labelled as pre-damage control in SW.

the-very-best

Its odd. If you bash a system, its "honesty" and "fact". You defend a system, and you are paid off or its "damage control". Gotta love the logic, or lack thereof.

True worldwide there are console buyers. Some things first though. America is the largest console buyer. Worldwide in generalPS3 comes in last also every single week but maybe second place here and there on the rare time. Also considering PS3 is further behind the 360 then the PS3 has even been able to sell since it has been out the PS3 needs EVERY market bad. So America does play a huge part.

Eltroz

America is the largest market, but Europe and Japan are not podunk places. They have large sales numbers as well, and to exclude them because NPD makes the 360 look better in comparison is foolish.

Number of console sales = better console, err no it doesn't. The number of consoles sold doesn't mean the console is betterzeus_gb

The only people assuming this are Cows - they only bang on about graphics because Sony can use them as a showcase to shift units, which is all Cows give a damn about in the end (just looks at the ridiculous KZ2 hype...)

I wouldn't care if the 360 stopped selling tomorrow, as long as the same quality games came out for it - something the PS3 lacks.

Why do you care? It seems you people lose sleep over this at night, I really hope that isn't true.Chutebox

You do NOT know how fun NPD threads are. The gifs, the damage control, Sony telling us their PS3 numbers include PS2s.

[QUOTE="zeus_gb"]Number of console sales = better console, err no it doesn't. The number of consoles sold doesn't mean the console is betterBambooBanger

The only people assuming this are Cows - they only bang on about graphics because Sony can use them as a showcase to shift units, which is all Cows give a damn about in the end (just looks at the ridiculous KZ2 hype...)

I wouldn't care if the 360 stopped selling tomorrow, as long as the same quality games came out for it - something the PS3 lacks.

Like I said before, Cows are just happy this gen cuz they have possibly the most powerful system... instead of the weakest like last gen.

[QUOTE="zeus_gb"]Number of console sales = better console, err no it doesn't. The number of consoles sold doesn't mean the console is betterBambooBanger

The only people assuming this are Cows - they only bang on about graphics because Sony can use them as a showcase to shift units, which is all Cows give a damn about in the end (just looks at the ridiculous KZ2 hype...)

I wouldn't care if the 360 stopped selling tomorrow, as long as the same quality games came out for it - something the PS3 lacks.

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]

True worldwide there are console buyers. Some things first though. America is the largest console buyer. Worldwide in generalPS3 comes in last also every single week but maybe second place here and there on the rare time. Also considering PS3 is further behind the 360 then the PS3 has even been able to sell since it has been out the PS3 needs EVERY market bad. So America does play a huge part.

SpruceCaboose

America is the largest market, but Europe and Japan are not podunk places. They have large sales numbers as well, and to exclude them because NPD makes the 360 look better in comparison is foolish.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Eltroz"]

True worldwide there are console buyers. Some things first though. America is the largest console buyer. Worldwide in generalPS3 comes in last also every single week but maybe second place here and there on the rare time. Also considering PS3 is further behind the 360 then the PS3 has even been able to sell since it has been out the PS3 needs EVERY market bad. So America does play a huge part.

Eltroz

America is the largest market, but Europe and Japan are not podunk places. They have large sales numbers as well, and to exclude them because NPD makes the 360 look better in comparison is foolish.

No, America is vastly different than Europe and Japan. And weekly sales are not remotely accurate. Neither are NPD numbers, might I add.

The PS3 does not need anything right now. Its sales are picking up slowly, and its starting to get its footing back. The Wii continues to dominate in sales data, and the 360 is holding roughly steady for the market fluctuations.

Its all about what I expected based on 2007. The real test will be if the 360 can maintain a sales lead over the PS3 in 2008. I don't know if it can or not, but it will be fun to watch the competition, and to see how each tries to combat the Wii.

But in the grand scheme of things, sales mean nothing to gamers. They mean everything to shareholders, but to gamers, not so much.

I know the old "More sales = more games" arguement. To that, I ask, where is this flood of great 3rd party Wii games? I will hear back, "They need more time!" Ok. But the Wii has been selling well for over a year. Game cycles are usually 18 months at most, yet we have no inkling of the next great 3rd party Wii game.

Or why the Dreamcast had virtually no 3rd party support even after having a very nice first year, in terms of sales?

Or, what happened to the PS3 losing 3rd party support? Seems that its getting ports of most 3rd party 360 games, regardless of the smaller userbase. At worse, you could argue that is why some games like GTA went multiplat. I would counter that many Developers, like Capcom with Dead Rising and Lost Planet, made similar decisions that went in reverse.

Developers will go where they can make the most money. Based on sales of software, that is the 360 ATM. It has little to do with the number of system than the buying habits of consumers. And PS3 gamers are gradually showing that they have game buying might, which will only further cement the influx of games, multiplat or not, regardless of console sales.

[QUOTE="Eltroz"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Eltroz"]

True worldwide there are console buyers. Some things first though. America is the largest console buyer. Worldwide in generalPS3 comes in last also every single week but maybe second place here and there on the rare time. Also considering PS3 is further behind the 360 then the PS3 has even been able to sell since it has been out the PS3 needs EVERY market bad. So America does play a huge part.

SpruceCaboose

America is the largest market, but Europe and Japan are not podunk places. They have large sales numbers as well, and to exclude them because NPD makes the 360 look better in comparison is foolish.

No, America is vastly different than Europe and Japan. And weekly sales are not remotely accurate. Neither are NPD numbers, might I add.

The PS3 does not need anything right now. Its sales are picking up slowly, and its starting to get its footing back. The Wii continues to dominate in sales data, and the 360 is holding roughly steady for the market fluctuations.

Its all about what I expected based on 2007. The real test will be if the 360 can maintain a sales lead over the PS3 in 2008. I don't know if it can or not, but it will be fun to watch the competition, and to see how each tries to combat the Wii.

But in the grand scheme of things, sales mean nothing to gamers. They mean everything to shareholders, but to gamers, not so much.

I know the old "More sales = more games" arguement. To that, I ask, where is this flood of great 3rd party Wii games? I will hear back, "They need more time!" Ok. But the Wii has been selling well for over a year. Game cycles are usually 18 months at most, yet we have no inkling of the next great 3rd party Wii game.

Or why the Dreamcast had virtually no 3rd party support even after having a very nice first year, in terms of sales?

Or, what happened to the PS3 losing 3rd party support? Seems that its getting ports of most 3rd party 360 games, regardless of the smaller userbase. At worse, you could argue that is why some games like GTA went multiplat. I would counter that many Developers, like Capcom with Dead Rising and Lost Planet, made similar decisions that went in reverse.

Developers will go where they can make the most money. Based on sales of software, that is the 360 ATM. It has little to do with the number of system than the buying habits of consumers. And PS3 gamers are gradually showing that they have game buying might, which will only further cement the influx of games, multiplat or not, regardless of console sales.

As far as sales. believe what you want but yes they do matter. You think these developers just like to put games out for the fun? This is becoming a bigger money risk every generation. You mentioned Wii. I am not bothering looking up all the info but I know EA said they are going to work harder on Wii and Will Wright said he is really impressed with the Wii and is putting Spore(once a exclusive) on the Wii. Also there is more with the Wii.Software sales matter most but yes hardware sales matter a lot also.

I am not even getting into the Dreamcast. Not sure why you are bringing that up. If the consoles sales were good enough well there would have been a second one.

You said 3rd party support. Dead rising is not going to PS3 at least as far as now. Also Lost Planet is a new ip so it is not like it has been the normal to stay on one console. Staying with that though how often would Capcom have exclusiveMS games like Dead Rising? Ace Combat, Monster Hunter, DMC, Beautiful Katimari, GTAwere once PS exclusives or timed that are not any more. Some are Multiplat now when once exclusive or timed exclusive or worse some ar not even on the PS3 now.This is more software sales though I think.

Last but part I think is the biggest...WTF are you talking about. I am talking about consoles sales this gen and you start in on Dreamcast, Wii 3rd party developers. It seems you are just stretching for answers. Just stick to one area at least. I was talking about console sales and you are now jumping around

I would say a form of Lemmings damage control would be using NPD numbers. Yes, most of live in the US, that use this site. Yes, the US has a great influence over the gaming industry.

But its world-wide sales that crown a winner or loser for sales. Otherwise, they wouldn't release console's in those other regions.

Well the first 3 parts it took many words to just type "just wait"

As far as sales. believe what you want but yes they do matter. You think these developers just like to put games out for the fun? This is becoming a bigger money risk every generation. You mentioned Wii. I am not bothering looking up all the info but I know EA said they are going to work harder on Wii and Will Wright said he is really impressed with the Wii and is putting Spore(once a exclusive) on the Wii. Also there is more with the Wii.Software sales matter most but yes hardware sales matter a lot also.

I am not even getting into the Dreamcast. Not sure why you are bringing that up. If the consoles sales were good enough well there would have been a second one.

You said 3rd party support. Dead rising is not going to PS3 at least as far as now. Also Lost Planet is a new ip so it is not like it has been the normal to stay on one console. Staying with that though how often would Capcom have exclusiveMS games like Dead Rising? Ace Combat, Monster Hunter, DMC, Beautiful Katimari, GTAwere once PS exclusives or timed that are not any more. Some are Multiplat now when once exclusive or timed exclusive or worse some ar not even on the PS3 now.This is more software sales though I think.

Last but part I think is the biggest...WTF are you talking about. I am talking about consoles sales this gen and you start in on Dreamcast, Wii 3rd party developers. It seems you are just stretching for answers. Just stink to one area at least. I was talking about console sales and you are now jumping around

Eltroz

First, I am a gamer who owns all three consoles, I am not waiting for anything.

I was talking about sales. I said they didn't matter to gamers, nor should they. Which led me to those things you cannot seem to fathom that I brought up. Did you not follow that?

But you want me to stick to your own little box you created where only NA NPD data can be used, fine. In that very narrow criteria, based on NA NPD data only, 360 is king... If you want to only use one country, and go even further into insanity by believing that NPD data is in fact correct, when its no closer to hard data than Console makers shipped numbers.

Fact is, while you may be in your own little 360 is king and will always be king world (and your posting history verifies that quite well), it probably wouldn't kill you to at least realize there is more to sales than NA, there is more to each game system than the stereotypes out here in SW, and that each system has compelling games that are worth experiencing.

The PS3 is not swimming in great games, and I will be the first to admit the PS3 is not living up to expectations. But it provides many great games right now, as does the 360 and the Wii.

[QUOTE="Bazfrag"]

If you ask me, Sony has a whole division of bogus forum posters, who do nothing but badmouth thier competitors, and spread false information. :O Info that ps drones lap up and spread even further.

fuzzysquash

Right, because people who defend the PS3 must be Sony employees, while people who defend the 360 and Wii must be genuine gamers.

:roll:

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="Bazfrag"]

If you ask me, Sony has a whole division of bogus forum posters, who do nothing but badmouth thier competitors, and spread false information. :O Info that ps drones lap up and spread even further.

-wii60-

Right, because people who defend the PS3 must be Sony employees, while people who defend the 360 and Wii must be genuine gamers.

:roll:

Please. fuzzysquash is an amazing poster, and about as far removed from a fanboy as you can get. He also happens to be one of the best posters on GameSpot.

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]

Well the first 3 parts it took many words to just type "just wait"

As far as sales. believe what you want but yes they do matter. You think these developers just like to put games out for the fun? This is becoming a bigger money risk every generation. You mentioned Wii. I am not bothering looking up all the info but I know EA said they are going to work harder on Wii and Will Wright said he is really impressed with the Wii and is putting Spore(once a exclusive) on the Wii. Also there is more with the Wii.Software sales matter most but yes hardware sales matter a lot also.

I am not even getting into the Dreamcast. Not sure why you are bringing that up. If the consoles sales were good enough well there would have been a second one.

You said 3rd party support. Dead rising is not going to PS3 at least as far as now. Also Lost Planet is a new ip so it is not like it has been the normal to stay on one console. Staying with that though how often would Capcom have exclusiveMS games like Dead Rising? Ace Combat, Monster Hunter, DMC, Beautiful Katimari, GTAwere once PS exclusives or timed that are not any more. Some are Multiplat now when once exclusive or timed exclusive or worse some ar not even on the PS3 now.This is more software sales though I think.

Last but part I think is the biggest...WTF are you talking about. I am talking about consoles sales this gen and you start in on Dreamcast, Wii 3rd party developers. It seems you are just stretching for answers. Just stink to one area at least. I was talking about console sales and you are now jumping around

SpruceCaboose

First, I am a gamer who owns all three consoles, I am not waiting for anything.

I was talking about sales. I said they didn't matter to gamers, nor should they. Which led me to those things you cannot seem to fathom that I brought up. Did you not follow that?

But you want me to stick to your own little box you created where only NA NPD data can be used, fine. In that very narrow criteria, based on NA NPD data only, 360 is king... If you want to only use one country, and go even further into insanity by believing that NPD data is in fact correct, when its no closer to hard data than Console makers shipped numbers.

Fact is, while you may be in your own little 360 is king and will always be king world (and your posting history verifies that quite well), it probably wouldn't kill you to at least realize there is more to sales than NA, there is more to each game system than the stereotypes out here in SW, and that each system has compelling games that are worth experiencing.

The PS3 is not swimming in great games, and I will be the first to admit the PS3 is not living up to expectations. But it provides many great games right now, as does the 360 and the Wii.

Next part. You say stick in my little NPD box. Well really was about seemed there has been a upsurge in PS3 user threads past couple days that I called damage control. Points up to thread title. I gueussed it was NPD related. Yet again like I have said to you before but yet seems I have to again I do not think America is the only place for sales but yes I do believe it is the biggest. That is kinda a fact though. I also do not believe NPD is 100% which is fact it is not. Yet do you have anything that gets closer to numbers? If not then why the fuss?

Next part you act like I am only pro 360 which is not true. I admit I am anti PS which I have never tried to hide. Why I am is for another thread. I have also never said anything bad about Wii and I also really like PC gaming. Just played around 4 hours of TF2 on PC tonight. So do not act like I bash every system besides the 360.

I also do not believe NPD is 100% which is fact it is not. Yet do you have anything that gets closer to numbers? If not then why the fuss?

Next part you act like I am only pro 360 which is not true. I admit I am anti PS which I have never tried to hide. Why I am is for another thread. I have also never said anything bad about Wii and I also really like PC gaming. Just played around 4 hours of TF2 on PC tonight. So do not act like I bash every system besides the 360.

Eltroz

I don't care about sales of any system. They do not make my games better, therefore I have no alternative source, as I have never cared to find any source.

As for the bottom, I have never seen a post from you that was not in some way pro 360. I admit I love my 360. I play it more than any other system I own. But that does not blind me from other great games on the other platforms. I also don't see the need to put down another system to make me feel good about another. Perhaps you could have posted the data in a non-bashing way, but instead you had to use it to "prove" the 360 is superior to the PS3.

Picked up? Fanboyism is more like the tides...it rises and lowers at regular, predicatable intervals. It hasn't picked up so much as it has come back. On the flip side of the coin, one could also say the PS3/Sony bashing has picked up/come back after disappearing when ME flopped.

It's just like the tides, sir.