is it Nintendo's fault that Wii is getting crap/casual/shovelware/bad games?

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

I would say the blame lies 50-50

if the Wii was more advanced you wouldn't see as many of these games because they would be more expensive to develop

But if the developers spent more then 5 days making the games and put some thought into them then they could be good

DireToad

That's a weak cop out, and it's overdone. Not every game has to be a $30+ million blockbuster to be good. And besides, good developers are usually willing to spend a little extra time and money to make a great game.

By this rationale, Crayola crayons are the greatest art medium because they're dirt cheap and easy to use.

exactly. good games take time. the Wii has only been out 1 1/2 years, and its not like it was a confirmed success from the beginning.

devs waited to see if the Wii bubble will burst, it hasnt, and its a success. only recently have they decided to take it seriously and will work on some games for it...

lol still with the "but teh devs were caught by teh surprise" excuse?

well, lets see: EVERYBODY was caught by surprise of the Wii's success.

im pretty sure dev's werent any different, but if you say so... sure. whatever helps you sleep at night

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

so before the GC people complained that Nintendo was too strict with 3rd party devs.... now they arent and people still complain :|

seriously folks, the people that arent happy with nintendo regarding their 3rd party will NEVER be happy with nintendo no matter what they do.

true nintendo fans really dont put that much emphasis on 3rd party support, they are used to not having very much of it. people who arent nintendo fans dont realize this and just complain... which is sad on their part

ogvampire

i see that a nintendo fan being a fan of nintendo games is too hard for you to comprehend

you know who's not a true fan of gaming? people that complain about games that dont appeal to them...

I think its partly their fault.

They obviously market it to the casuals, with most of the commercials featuring pre-teens, moms, or people over 40.

They want to introduce the world to the world of video gaming, the only way to do that is to start with casuals and gradually ease them into hardcore people.

Thats the way I see it, anyways.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

so before the GC people complained that Nintendo was too strict with 3rd party devs.... now they arent and people still complain :|

seriously folks, the people that arent happy with nintendo regarding their 3rd party will NEVER be happy with nintendo no matter what they do.

true nintendo fans really dont put that much emphasis on 3rd party support, they are used to not having very much of it. people who arent nintendo fans dont realize this and just complain... which is sad on their part

DireToad

i see that a nintendo fan being a fan of nintendo games is too hard for you to comprehend

you know who's not a true fan of gaming? people that complain about games that dont appeal to them...

it must suck hard Not being a nintendo fan and missing out on a bunch of amazing games...

They want to introduce the world to the world of video gaming, the only way to do that is to start with casuals and gradually ease them into hardcore people.verbtex

It's Nintendos fault because they intentionally targeted non-gamers this time. They didn't even attempt to give you hidef graphics which pretty much elminates the core gamer. 3rd party devs for the most part believe the Wii will never be PS2.....it's something else entirely. now that might not be a bad thing from Nintendos point of view because they will make a ton of money this gen......but obviously 3rd party devs know where to put their top franchises (X360 and PS3).

If you ever see the trend of Wii getting the games X360 and PS3 are getting right now, that's when I'll believe Wii has been successful at taking the crown from the PS2. Until then, it's a GameCube with different controls. Look at the what the Gamecube offered it's first couple of years and you tell me if the Wii is ANY different from the GameCube.

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

so before the GC people complained that Nintendo was too strict with 3rd party devs.... now they arent and people still complain :|

seriously folks, the people that arent happy with nintendo regarding their 3rd party will NEVER be happy with nintendo no matter what they do.

true nintendo fans really dont put that much emphasis on 3rd party support, they are used to not having very much of it. people who arent nintendo fans dont realize this and just complain... which is sad on their part

ogvampire

i see that a nintendo fan being a fan of nintendo games is too hard for you to comprehend

you know who's not a true fan of gaming? people that complain about games that dont appeal to them...

it must suck hard Not being a nintendo fan and missing out on a bunch of amazing games...

[QUOTE="verbtex"]They want to introduce the world to the world of video gaming, the only way to do that is to start with casuals and gradually ease them into hardcore people.DireToad

not really. the revenue is bigger than the revenue that movie companies get from theater releases but not from the Movie industry as a whole (which includes DVD sales)

Did I say anything about not liking Nintendo games?

Honestly you should just stop now. You've made a fool of yourself a lot already and the way you post without fully understanding the words you use yourself doesn't seem like it's going to get any better.

DireToad

Did I say anything about not owning the ps3 and 360 and not being able to play all those other amazing games?

so what are you talking about, then? you are pathetically trying to argue for no reason. i just made a simple statement that you are trying to undermine. you still dont understand what im saying, so here it is again:

Nintendo fans buy Nintendo consoles mainly for Nintendo games, not 3rd party games. thats all im saying, genius.

well, lets see: EVERYBODY was caught by surprise of the Wii's success.

im pretty sure dev's werent any different, but if you say so... sure. whatever helps you sleep at night

ogvampire

this reasoning is so funny. I've asked this question countless times as recently as 2 weeks ago in a game conference with 3rd party developers. Yes, they were suprised with the success of the Wii. No, they do not plan to change their strategy of putting their main mature games on PS3/X360. That means the major franchises (mature wise) will always be on X360/PS3 and usually will never see the light of day on the Wii. I thought it was hiliarious that the Mad Word developers I had a meeting with were so excited because it was basically the only mature game coming out for the Wii (according to them). They specifically mentioned how Nintendo got a lot of negative reaction at E3 but this title shoudl help them. Yes ONE title is going to change everything....or not......when I asked the same question at everyone else they said Wii has a specific target demographic (aka, kids and family games).

Wii's success will not bring the big games you are seeing on X360 and PS3 like it was once though a year ago. I remember seeing a ton of people writing articles and so forth that the Wii is going to change everything, all the games will start coming out on the Wii (I bought into that way of thinking...until I actually talked to developers about it). Yeah so much is coming out they couldnt announce anything at E3? What it will bring is more WiiMusic, Wii Cheerleading, Cooking Mama 3, and Underwater Basketweaving for people over the age of 60. Face it, if you are a "core" gamer you need an X360 or PS3 to compliment your Wii.

I wish you people wouldn't lump crap/shovelware in the same catagory as casual. Most popular games are casual like Madden and GTA.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]well, lets see: EVERYBODY was caught by surprise of the Wii's success.

im pretty sure dev's werent any different, but if you say so... sure. whatever helps you sleep at night

darthogre

this reasoning is so funny. I've asked this question countless times as recently as 2 weeks ago in a game conference with 3rd party developers. Yes, they were suprised with the success of the Wii. No, they do not plan to change their strategy of putting their main mature games on PS3/X360. That means the major franchises (mature wise) will always be on X360/PS3 and usually will never see the light of day on the Wii. I thought it was hiliarious that the Mad Word developers I had a meeting with were so excited because it was basically the only mature game coming out for the Wii (according to them). They specifically mentioned how Nintendo got a lot of negative reaction at E3 but this title shoudl help them. Yes ONE title is going to change everything....or not......when I asked the same question at everyone else they said Wii has a specific target demographic (aka, kids and family games).

Wii's success will not bring the big games you are seeing on X360 and PS3 like it was once though a year ago. I remember seeing a ton of people writing articles and so forth that the Wii is going to change everything, all the games will start coming out on the Wii (I bought into that way of thinking...until I actually talked to developers about it). Yeah so much is coming out they couldnt announce anything at E3? What it will bring is more WiiMusic, Wii Cheerleading, Cooking Mama 3, and Underwater Basketweaving for people over the age of 60. Face it, if you are a "core" gamer you need an X360 or PS3 to compliment your Wii.

a nintendo 'core' gamer is someone that mainly plays nintendo's franchise games such as Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc.

last time i checked, the Wii already has Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc...

i will say that the Wii is the best secondary console, but i wouldnt have any issues if i only had a Wii. maybe its just me, but i dont have time to play videogames everyday for 5 hours like some people here...

nope. there not stoping devs from making good games on wii or are the asking devs to make quick trash (on the contrary, shigsy has pointed out that devs are not putting their A game onto wii which is very dissapointing). nintendo have also proved in many genres that the wii can deliver excellence. theres nothing fundimentally wrong with the console or the controller.

3rd parties just need to cop on. the nes, snes, PS1 and 2 suffered from the same problem...alot of quick and dirty games with no effort at all put into em. chances are, like the PS2 and 1 and sens and nes, the wii will always suffer from having alot of crap released. the question is, will some 3rd parties start to make good on wii? well if the likes of madworld, deadly creatures, conduit and so on deliver the goods then thatll be a very good omen. its a big IF though.

also TC, a casual game is not a crap game by default. i enjoy quite a few games that would be considered casual. peggle, endles ocean and wii sport. i also intend to pick up boomblox and maybe mysims (on PC) at some stage. animal crossing too (yes its a casual game...like it or not. and its ace imho...the DS version anyway.

It's sort of their fault for marketting the thing in such a way, but for the most part, all blame rests on the hands of the developers who release the shovelware and generally bad games.

Not exactly sure what everybody's problem is with casual games, though. There are tons of really excellent casual games out there.

a nintendo 'core' gamer is someone that mainly plays nintendo's franchise games such as Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc.

last time i checked, the Wii already has Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc...

i will say that the Wii is the best secondary console, but i wouldnt have any issues if i only had a Wii. maybe its just me, but i dont have time to play videogames everyday for 5 hours like some people here...

ogvampire

Hey if all you have time for throughout the year is to play about 5 games, yeah Wii is not exactly a bad choice. That means if you have people that only maybe play an hour or less a week of games, yeah Wii is a great console.

However anymore you find you are playing the same game over and over again because there is nothing to buy for it. There isn't enough, and that was always the problem with the GameCube. Great games, there just wasn't enough of them. I honestly thought the GameCube was going to dominate last gen.......that dose of reality left me bitter towards the Wii, I admit it. But let's not pretend most gamers only need a handful of games to be happy the entire year. heck there isn't even enough games to rent for the Wii right now....it's mostly just casual family stuff.

[QUOTE="Gamer556"]

No, it is Nintendo's fault. If they had made a more capable machine, developers would actually care to make something for it. If you're a developer and you want to commit a few years of your life to something really great and really ambitious, you're not going to pick the Wii. The userbase isn't hardcore enough to turn a profit, and the machine probably doesn't have enough juice to actually run what you have in mind.

redmetal86

do you honestly think that if nintendo made the wii with specs comparable to the ps3/360, crap like petz/babyz/games for girls wouldnt exist? even though the petz series has been around long before the wii, and other crappy games like barbie horse adventure existed before the wii as well?

we would have at least gotten some multiplats such as prince of persia and beyond good and evil. we wouldn't be completely left in the dust

And it's Sony's fault the PS2 had shovelware on it too, right? Of course not... Indirectly perhaps because its their fault their machine was so successful, but they're not forcing the third parties to put crap on it.

Casual games on the other hand, yes. They make them. That's not always a bad thing though...

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

a nintendo 'core' gamer is someone that mainly plays nintendo's franchise games such as Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc.

last time i checked, the Wii already has Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc...

i will say that the Wii is the best secondary console, but i wouldnt have any issues if i only had a Wii. maybe its just me, but i dont have time to play videogames everyday for 5 hours like some people here...

darthogre

Hey if all you have time for throughout the year is to play about 5 games, yeah Wii is not exactly a bad choice. That means if you have people that only maybe play an hour or less a week of games, yeah Wii is a great console.

However anymore you find you are playing the same game over and over again because there is nothing to buy for it. There isn't enough, and that was always the problem with the GameCube. Great games, there just wasn't enough of them. I honestly thought the GameCube was going to dominate last gen.......that dose of reality left me bitter towards the Wii, I admit it. But let's not pretend most gamers only need a handful of games to be happy the entire year. heck there isn't even enough games to rent for the Wii right now....it's mostly just casual family stuff.

so? a hardcore gamer that must play every game doesnt have just 1 console anyway...

[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]well, lets see: EVERYBODY was caught by surprise of the Wii's success.

im pretty sure dev's werent any different, but if you say so... sure. whatever helps you sleep at night

ogvampire

this reasoning is so funny. I've asked this question countless times as recently as 2 weeks ago in a game conference with 3rd party developers. Yes, they were suprised with the success of the Wii. No, they do not plan to change their strategy of putting their main mature games on PS3/X360. That means the major franchises (mature wise) will always be on X360/PS3 and usually will never see the light of day on the Wii. I thought it was hiliarious that the Mad Word developers I had a meeting with were so excited because it was basically the only mature game coming out for the Wii (according to them). They specifically mentioned how Nintendo got a lot of negative reaction at E3 but this title shoudl help them. Yes ONE title is going to change everything....or not......when I asked the same question at everyone else they said Wii has a specific target demographic (aka, kids and family games).

Wii's success will not bring the big games you are seeing on X360 and PS3 like it was once though a year ago. I remember seeing a ton of people writing articles and so forth that the Wii is going to change everything, all the games will start coming out on the Wii (I bought into that way of thinking...until I actually talked to developers about it). Yeah so much is coming out they couldnt announce anything at E3? What it will bring is more WiiMusic, Wii Cheerleading, Cooking Mama 3, and Underwater Basketweaving for people over the age of 60. Face it, if you are a "core" gamer you need an X360 or PS3 to compliment your Wii.

a nintendo 'core' gamer is someone that mainly plays nintendo's franchise games such as Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc.

last time i checked, the Wii already has Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc...

i will say that the Wii is the best secondary console, but i wouldnt have any issues if i only had a Wii. maybe its just me, but i dont have time to play videogames everyday for 5 hours like some people here...

to bad those are all already out, and they dont seem like they are gonna give us anything like that again for a long long time

This is all on the devs. Reggie approached Take Two and implored them for a GTA on the Wii. Nintendo has opened up more than they have in the past to helping devs with their games.

If anything, this is just devs who see success in Nintendo's casual games and they try to mimick them with bad games of their own. For example, Ubisoft. They see they have success with Rayman Raving Rabbids and Red Steel. So instead of making more games like Red Steel, they make the Petz line of games. So it's all on them for being dumb.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]well, lets see: EVERYBODY was caught by surprise of the Wii's success.

im pretty sure dev's werent any different, but if you say so... sure. whatever helps you sleep at night

VendettaRed07

this reasoning is so funny. I've asked this question countless times as recently as 2 weeks ago in a game conference with 3rd party developers. Yes, they were suprised with the success of the Wii. No, they do not plan to change their strategy of putting their main mature games on PS3/X360. That means the major franchises (mature wise) will always be on X360/PS3 and usually will never see the light of day on the Wii. I thought it was hiliarious that the Mad Word developers I had a meeting with were so excited because it was basically the only mature game coming out for the Wii (according to them). They specifically mentioned how Nintendo got a lot of negative reaction at E3 but this title shoudl help them. Yes ONE title is going to change everything....or not......when I asked the same question at everyone else they said Wii has a specific target demographic (aka, kids and family games).

Wii's success will not bring the big games you are seeing on X360 and PS3 like it was once though a year ago. I remember seeing a ton of people writing articles and so forth that the Wii is going to change everything, all the games will start coming out on the Wii (I bought into that way of thinking...until I actually talked to developers about it). Yeah so much is coming out they couldnt announce anything at E3? What it will bring is more WiiMusic, Wii Cheerleading, Cooking Mama 3, and Underwater Basketweaving for people over the age of 60. Face it, if you are a "core" gamer you need an X360 or PS3 to compliment your Wii.

a nintendo 'core' gamer is someone that mainly plays nintendo's franchise games such as Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc.

last time i checked, the Wii already has Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc...

i will say that the Wii is the best secondary console, but i wouldnt have any issues if i only had a Wii. maybe its just me, but i dont have time to play videogames everyday for 5 hours like some people here...

to bad those are all already out, and they dont seem like they are gonna give us anything like that again for a long long time

as a nintendo fan, thats not a surprise. in the 20 year history of Nintendo consoles:

Super Mario Bros. only have had 6 titles (core titles, not spin-offs)

Metroid only 5 titles

Zelda only 7 titles

SSB only 3 titles

we dont expect them to pump out yearly sequels like the company that makes Ratchet and clank

Did I say anything about not owning the ps3 and 360 and not being able to play all those other amazing games?

so what are you talking about, then? you are pathetically trying to argue for no reason. i just made a simple statement that you are trying to undermine. you still dont understand what im saying, so here it is again:

Nintendo fans buy Nintendo consoles mainly for Nintendo games, not 3rd party games. thats all im saying, genius.

ogvampire

true nintendo fans really dont put that much emphasis on 3rd party supportogvampire

So a true Nintendo fan isn't a true fan of gaming then. Gotcha.DireToad

i see that a nintendo fan being a fan of nintendo games is too hard for you to comprehend

you know who's not a true fan of gaming? people that complain about games that dont appeal to them...ogvampire

But that's not what you said.

You said: "true Nintendo fans dont put that much emphasis on 3rd party support"

It must suck hard being a true Nintendo fan and miss out on a lot of amazing non Nintendo games.DireToad

it must suck hard Not being a nintendo fan and missing out on a bunch of amazing games...ogvampire

[QUOTE="DireToad"]

Did I say anything about not liking Nintendo games?

Honestly you should just stop now. You've made a fool of yourself a lot already and the way you post without fully understanding the words you use yourself doesn't seem like it's going to get any better.

ogvampire

Did I say anything about not owning the ps3 and 360 and not being able to play all those other amazing games?

so what are you talking about, then? you are pathetically trying to argue for no reason. i just made a simple statement that you are trying to undermine. you still dont understand what im saying, so here it is again:

Nintendo fans buy Nintendo consoles mainly for Nintendo games, not 3rd party games. thats all im saying, genius.

You lose again.

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]No. Nintendo doesnt develop games for them so its the 3rd party's fault for making crap not Nintendo'smistervengeance

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]well, lets see: EVERYBODY was caught by surprise of the Wii's success.

im pretty sure dev's werent any different, but if you say so... sure. whatever helps you sleep at night

ogvampire

this reasoning is so funny. I've asked this question countless times as recently as 2 weeks ago in a game conference with 3rd party developers. Yes, they were suprised with the success of the Wii. No, they do not plan to change their strategy of putting their main mature games on PS3/X360. That means the major franchises (mature wise) will always be on X360/PS3 and usually will never see the light of day on the Wii. I thought it was hiliarious that the Mad Word developers I had a meeting with were so excited because it was basically the only mature game coming out for the Wii (according to them). They specifically mentioned how Nintendo got a lot of negative reaction at E3 but this title shoudl help them. Yes ONE title is going to change everything....or not......when I asked the same question at everyone else they said Wii has a specific target demographic (aka, kids and family games).

Wii's success will not bring the big games you are seeing on X360 and PS3 like it was once though a year ago. I remember seeing a ton of people writing articles and so forth that the Wii is going to change everything, all the games will start coming out on the Wii (I bought into that way of thinking...until I actually talked to developers about it). Yeah so much is coming out they couldnt announce anything at E3? What it will bring is more WiiMusic, Wii Cheerleading, Cooking Mama 3, and Underwater Basketweaving for people over the age of 60. Face it, if you are a "core" gamer you need an X360 or PS3 to compliment your Wii.

a nintendo 'core' gamer is someone that mainly plays nintendo's franchise games such as Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc.

last time i checked, the Wii already has Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc...

i will say that the Wii is the best secondary console, but i wouldnt have any issues if i only had a Wii. maybe its just me, but i dont have time to play videogames everyday for 5 hours like some people here...

to bad those are all already out, and they dont seem like they are gonna give us anything like that again for a long long time

as a nintendo fan, thats not a surprise. in the 20 year history of Nintendo consoles:

Super Mario Bros. only have had 6 titles (core titles, not spin-offs)

Metroid only 5 titles

Zelda only 7 titles

SSB only 3 titles

we dont expect them to pump out yearly sequels like the company that makes Ratchet and clank

the n64 though got 2 zelda titles, and then just 3 years later we got windwaker and then we got 4 swords, and then again the gamecube got twilight princess also, and yet there isnt a new zelda anywhere in sight. And the gamecube we got 2 metriod titles, one year after its launch and then another 2 years later, we got a mario game, and an fzero x, and 2 starfox games, a few new ips like pikmin and luigis mansion, and back then nintendo had a few companys that made exclusive games for them like SK, now they have no one. Their first party support has just completely dropped off the charts, where the only new ips were going to get is the wiifit wiisports crap, and the expensive 1st games like mario and zelda are going to become very rare to come by now because nintendo feels like they dont have to spend the money on making those games anymore, because they are selling so many systems when they have no games out each month whats the point? Any new ips that looked like they were for the mario zelda, metroid crowd, and looked interesting got canned or put on hold and are developing so sluggishly they are never going to come out, i.e. project hammer, lets face it, nintendo is not going to support their console, or hire anyone else to support there console with the amount of software that they used to because, welp, theres no point in it, they have a new crowd who doesnt need or play these games, they will throw the hardcore a bone every now and then, but really, they are just kinda done with us

so? a hardcore gamer that must play every game doesnt have just 1 console anyway... ogvampire

That's not the point. The point is Wii has horrible software selection for its success. Thinking it will get better, you may as well wish for a cure for cancer and world hunger.

Most gamers are type that need more than what the Wii offers. As you said, you need either the PS3 or X360 to comliment the Wii. Can the same be said of the PS3 or X360 (meaning do you need another console to compliment one of these)? The honest answer is no.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

Did I say anything about not owning the ps3 and 360 and not being able to play all those other amazing games?

so what are you talking about, then? you are pathetically trying to argue for no reason. i just made a simple statement that you are trying to undermine. you still dont understand what im saying, so here it is again:

Nintendo fans buy Nintendo consoles mainly for Nintendo games, not 3rd party games. thats all im saying, genius.

DireToad

you said its hard to be a nintendo fan because you miss out on alot of games.... those games are on 360 and ps3.. duh. what other system are these 'amazing' games on? seriously, you are pathetically trying to get under my skin.... but all you are doing is just confusing yourself.

true nintendo fans really dont put that much emphasis on 3rd party supportogvampire

So a true Nintendo fan isn't a true fan of gaming then. Gotcha.DireToad

i see that a nintendo fan being a fan of nintendo games is too hard for you to comprehend

you know who's not a true fan of gaming? people that complain about games that dont appeal to them...ogvampire

But that's not what you said.

You said: "true Nintendo fans dont put that much emphasis on 3rd party support"

It must suck hard being a true Nintendo fan and miss out on a lot of amazing non Nintendo games.DireToad

you said that ^, so i said this statement below. you made a generalizing comment about how you miss on alot of games if you are a true nintendo fan, so i said that you must miss alot of greatgames if you ARENT a nintendo fan (for those that have trouble comprehending: Nintendo makes alot of amazing games). i see you are still having trouble understanding...

it must suck hard Not being a nintendo fan and missing out on a bunch of amazing games...ogvampire

[QUOTE="DireToad"]

Did I say anything about not liking Nintendo games?

Honestly you should just stop now. You've made a fool of yourself a lot already and the way you post without fully understanding the words you use yourself doesn't seem like it's going to get any better.

you are such a confused individual... seriously.

i DIDNT say you were or werent, i just made a general comment like you did... remember?

"It must suck hard being a true Nintendo fan and miss out on a lot of amazing non Nintendo games"

ring a bell?

ogvampire

Did I say anything about not owning the ps3 and 360 and not being able to play all those other amazing games?

so what are you talking about, then? you are pathetically trying to argue for no reason. i just made a simple statement that you are trying to undermine. you still dont understand what im saying, so here it is again:

Nintendo fans buy Nintendo consoles mainly for Nintendo games, not 3rd party games. thats all im saying, genius.

You lose again.

i find it really funny that you think i have a reading comprehension problem when You are the one thats confused... Lol!

you are always good for a laugh, Diretoad... im sure im not alone in this thinking...

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]No. Nintendo doesnt develop games for them so its the 3rd party's fault for making crap not Nintendo'sair_wolf_cubed

It's Nintendos fault. They designed, marketed, and created the majority of their software without the core gamer in mind. Yes you have Zelda (a GameCube game so it's not even a real Wii game), one Metriod, one Super Smash, one Mario Kart, and one mario game. Everything else has been targeted towards the new casual crowd.

If Nintendo was really serious about getting core games they would BUY exclusivity of a major title. Look at MS, they are doing it, why can't Nintendo? Why, because they don't CARE......they are making money with or without you.

the n64 though got 2 zelda titles, and then just 3 years later we got windwaker and then we got 4 swords, and then again the gamecube got twilight princess also, and yet there isnt a new zelda anywhere in sight. And the gamecube we got 2 metriod titles, one year after its launch and then another 2 years later, we got a mario game, and an fzero x, and 2 starfox games, a few new ips like pikmin and luigis mansion, and back then nintendo had a few companys that made exclusive games for them like SK, now they have no one. Their first party support has just completely dropped off the charts, where the only new ips were going to get is the wiifit wiisports crap, and the expensive 1st games like mario and zelda are going to become very rare to come by now because nintendo feels like they dont have to spend the money on making those games anymore, because they are selling so many systems when they have no games out each month whats the point? Any new ips that looked like they were for the mario zelda, metroid crowd, and looked interesting got canned or put on hold and are developing so sluggishly they are never going to come out, i.e. project hammer, lets face it, nintendo is not going to support their console, or hire anyone else to support there console with the amount of software that they used to because, welp, theres no point in it, they have a new crowd who doesnt need or play these games, they will throw the hardcore a bone every now and then, but really, they are just kinda done with us

VendettaRed07

the Wii has still only been out 1 1/2 years... seriously... Nintendo hasnt released so many of its core games in such a little timespan in a really really long time... there is a Wii zelda coming out and a new pikmin, plus others of course...

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]so? a hardcore gamer that must play every game doesnt have just 1 console anyway... darthogre

That's not the point. The point is Wii has horrible software selection for its success. Thinking it will get better, you may as well wish for a cure for cancer and world hunger.

Most gamers are type that need more than what the Wii offers. As you said, you need either the PS3 or X360 to comliment the Wii. Can the same be said of the PS3 or X360 (meaning do you need another console to compliment one of these)? The honest answer is no.

and you know this how?

i would say that alot of gamers that only have 1 console play games on a PC as well...

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"][QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"]No. Nintendo doesnt develop games for them so its the 3rd party's fault for making crap not Nintendo'sdarthogre

It's Nintendos fault. They designed, marketed, and created the majority of their software without the core gamer in mind. Yes you have Zelda (a GameCube game so it's not even a real Wii game), one Metriod, one Super Smash, one Mario Kart, and one mario game. Everything else has been targeted towards the new casual crowd.

If Nintendo was really serious about getting core games they would BUY exclusivity of a major title. Look at MS, they are doing it, why can't Nintendo? Why, because they don't CARE......they are making money with or without you.

There's only so much a first party can do... And it seems you have forgotten that development times have increased since Ninty first started. Only one Mario/SSB/Kart game? When did any other generation get more? And now Miyamoto said they're getting a SEQUEL to Galaxy, arguably the second most critically acclaimed game of all time and 2007 GOTY here -- twice as much as any generation and we're not yet two years in. And let's look at what its competition has done this far into the generation.

Sony has done jack, unless you count a Ratchet that flopped horribly here, Resistance, and maybe one or two other decent titles. And if you want to talk about future titles, it's hard to compare because we know nothing about either of the company's big titles, whether it be God of War or Pikmin. And yet we don't see Sony getting these threads because they apparently don't market to casuals?...

you said its hard to be a nintendo fan because you miss out on alot of games.... those games are on 360 and ps3.. duh. what other system are these 'amazing' games on? seriously, you are pathetically trying to get under my skin.... but all you are doing is just confusing yourselfogvampire

They are on the 360 and the PS3? Funny I don't recall saying that. Doesn't the Wii have good third party games? Didn't the GC have good third party games?

you said that ^ogvampire

i find it really funny that you think i have a reading comprehension problem when You are the one thats confused... Lol!ogvampire

you are always good for a laugh, Diretoad... im sure im not alone in this thinking...ogvampire

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]you said its hard to be a nintendo fan because you miss out on alot of games.... those games are on 360 and ps3.. duh. what other system are these 'amazing' games on? seriously, you are pathetically trying to get under my skin.... but all you are doing is just confusing yourselfDireToad

They are on the 360 and the PS3? Funny I don't recall saying that. Doesn't the Wii have good third party games? Didn't the GC have good third party games?

ok... so what other systems are these amazing games that Nintendo fans miss out on?

yes... the GC had good 3rd party support.... and yet it sold the worst last gen... yeah, that really helped nintendo :roll:

you said that ^ogvampire

i find it really funny that you think i have a reading comprehension problem when You are the one thats confused... Lol!ogvampire

very much so...

you are always good for a laugh, Diretoad... im sure im not alone in this thinking...ogvampire

let me use your argumentative techniques:

did i say that? where did i say that?

you must really like to argue... well, sorry to let you down, but im done going around in circles with you... good day sir.

you must really like to argue... well, sorry to let you down, but im done going around in circles with you... good day sir.

ogvampire

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the n64 though got 2 zelda titles, and then just 3 years later we got windwaker and then we got 4 swords, and then again the gamecube got twilight princess also, and yet there isnt a new zelda anywhere in sight. And the gamecube we got 2 metriod titles, one year after its launch and then another 2 years later, we got a mario game, and an fzero x, and 2 starfox games, a few new ips like pikmin and luigis mansion, and back then nintendo had a few companys that made exclusive games for them like SK, now they have no one. Their first party support has just completely dropped off the charts, where the only new ips were going to get is the wiifit wiisports crap, and the expensive 1st games like mario and zelda are going to become very rare to come by now because nintendo feels like they dont have to spend the money on making those games anymore, because they are selling so many systems when they have no games out each month whats the point? Any new ips that looked like they were for the mario zelda, metroid crowd, and looked interesting got canned or put on hold and are developing so sluggishly they are never going to come out, i.e. project hammer, lets face it, nintendo is not going to support their console, or hire anyone else to support there console with the amount of software that they used to because, welp, theres no point in it, they have a new crowd who doesnt need or play these games, they will throw the hardcore a bone every now and then, but really, they are just kinda done with us

ogvampire

the Wii has still only been out 1 1/2 years... seriously... Nintendo hasnt released so many of its core games in such a little timespan in a really really long time... there is a Wii zelda coming out and a new pikmin, plus others of course...

Yes they have, just last gen. They had pikimin, star fox, animal crossing, melee, wave race, luigis manshion, mario and metriod in the first year, not the second, with majoras mask just before that, and another zelda just the next year

[QUOTE="Gamer556"]The Wii's controller and lack of power under the hood basically begs developers to make cheap, gimmicky games. It doesn't hurt that the Wii's ultra-casual userbase seems to actually want them.Sonick54

I have to agree with this

nintendo managed to a develop a game like SMG with so called underpowered system, GOTY here and many other places within the gaming media, leaving the so called HD games in the dust. Other developers don't an excuse for producing crap. Power has nothing to do with it.

I don't see why nintendo fans bring the PS2 into this. The PS2 had much better games than the wii and amazing 3rd party support.. I'd even go as far as to say that gamecube had a better launch than the wii. It may not have sold more, but there was excitement for the system from GAMERS (especially since metroid was coming back), and it had a larger number of solid titles in its first two years as well as better third party support. Even capcom moved the Resident Evil series to the gamecube.

What did capcom do with the wii? A port of Resident Evil 0, a port of Resident Evil 4 with updated controls, and an awful rail shooter that capcom seemed to stop trying on halfway through, reusing Outbreak's PS2 graphics in the Raccoon City area.