Is it safe to say MS has gained marketshare this gen and Sony has lost marketsha

That's a factual statement right?

That's a factual statement right?

crusadernm

[QUOTE="crusadernm"]

That's a factual statement right?

Aboogie5

Lots of opinions get thrown around but not much facts. I want to know if SW can at least agree with my topic title.

This was apparent a long time ago, like, years. So ya, you're finally caught up with the rest of us. Also, Wii has taken even more market share.

well..yes

MS had the chace to wipe out Sony out of the industry a couple of years ago however

well..yes MS had the chace to wipe out Sony out of the industry a coplu of years ago howeverGiancar

There's always next gen to try for that. But that's still ways off.

No matter how this gen plays out, MS certainly gained a surreal foothold for next gen, in terms of household name (xbox)

yeah. Theyre more or less about even now maybe.

No matter how this gen plays out, MS certainly gained a surreal foothold for next gen, in terms of household name (xbox)

DroidPhysX

I agree. It's amazing to see them surpassed sony this gen, which I didn't even think was possible.

The position wii is in right now. I thought Sony would have that kind of marketshare. but dang Sony messed up badly.

[QUOTE="Giancar"]well..yes MS had the chace to wipe out Sony out of the industry a coplu of years ago howevercrusadernm

There's always next gen to try for that. But that's still ways off.

Marketshare doesn't transfer from generation to generation. All consoles start at zero sales. For Sony to have lost marketshare this gen and MS to have gained it, then you'd have to show a point in this generation where Sony had more of the market and MS had less than they each have currently. Since MS had 100% of the 7th gen market for a full year, that's gonna be hard to do...

I'd say it's a fair statement that MS has been much more successful this gen than they were last gen, and Sony not nearly as successful as last gen.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

No matter how this gen plays out, MS certainly gained a surreal foothold for next gen, in terms of household name (xbox)

crusadernm

I agree. It's amazing to see them surpassed sony this gen, which I didn't even think was possible.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

No matter how this gen plays out, MS certainly gained a surreal foothold for next gen, in terms of household name (xbox)

crusadernm

I agree. It's amazing to see them surpassed sony this gen, which I didn't even think was possible.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

No matter how this gen plays out, MS certainly gained a surreal foothold for next gen, in terms of household name (xbox)

Chutebox

I agree. It's amazing to see them surpassed sony this gen, which I didn't even think was possible.

I already answered this before. third post.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

No matter how this gen plays out, MS certainly gained a surreal foothold for next gen, in terms of household name (xbox)

Chutebox

I agree. It's amazing to see them surpassed sony this gen, which I didn't even think was possible.

Flame bait?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="crusadernm"]

I agree. It's amazing to see them surpassed sony this gen, which I didn't even think was possible.

crusadernm

I already answered this before. third post.

No matter how this gen plays out, MS certainly gained a surreal foothold for next gen, in terms of household name (xbox)

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

No matter how this gen plays out, MS certainly gained a surreal foothold for next gen, in terms of household name (xbox)

lawlessx

Have you been on system wars. Believe me there are those that deny it.

I think it's even more amazing that Sony has sold over 51 million PS2s since the 360 debuted.SakusEnvoy

Really? Had no idea...

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

No matter how this gen plays out, MS certainly gained a surreal foothold for next gen, in terms of household name (xbox)

crusadernm

Have you been on system wars. Believe me there are those that deny it.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

No matter how this gen plays out, MS certainly gained a surreal foothold for next gen, in terms of household name (xbox)

crusadernm

Have you been on system wars. Believe me there are those that deny it.

I won't argue Sony is doomed.

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]I think it's even more amazing that Sony has sold over 51 million PS2s since the 360 debuted.santoron

Really? Had no idea...

Doesn't change the PS3's poor performance, of course; if anything, it only highlights it.

Still funny to think that the second best selling console this gen is actually a last-gen console, heh.

well obviously, but i doubt anyone will sell 140 million home consoles like the ps2 did....

Marketshare doesn't transfer from generation to generation. All consoles start at zero sales. For Sony to have lost marketshare this gen and MS to have gained it, then you'd have to show a point in this generation where Sony had more of the market and MS had less than they each have currently. Since MS had 100% of the 7th gen market for a full year, that's gonna be hard to do...

I'd say it's a fair statement that MS has been much more successful this gen than they were last gen, and Sony not nearly as successful as last gen.

santoron

This is the best answer.

well obviously, but i doubt anyone will sell 140 million home consoles like the ps2 did....

right4dead

Well I guess when this generation ends both 360 and PS3 will sell more than 70 mils units and Wii will be around 100 mils.

Like i said. Everyone starts the Gen off with xero marketshare. You can say mindshare, yes sony has lost a bit of that but how can you have marketshare when your console is not even out yet. We might as well say that since ps2 is still selling then technically Sony still has the majority Marketshare which is not true.

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Marketshare doesn't transfer from generation to generation. All consoles start at zero sales. For Sony to have lost marketshare this gen and MS to have gained it, then you'd have to show a point in this generation where Sony had more of the market and MS had less than they each have currently. Since MS had 100% of the 7th gen market for a full year, that's gonna be hard to do...

I'd say it's a fair statement that MS has been much more successful this gen than they were last gen, and Sony not nearly as successful as last gen.

Kashiwaba

This is the best answer.

I think I'll just go by what the media, investment firms, gaming journalists, news sites, and pretty much everyone else: I'll just call it marketshare. But I'm not stopping you for thinking whatever you want.

No. That is 100% lie. -- Factual evidence supports that Sony has nothing but GAINED marketshare since the PS3 has been released, while Microsoft has nothing but LOST marketshare since the PS3 released. -- This is factual. And if your refering to the PS2, it's still selling, and gaing MORE marketshare, if your counting it in this generation's race, then Sony is in fact, winning. -- My post is nothing but facts. iWin1337

And this si somehow true too :P as what someone said in the first page market share doesn't transfer from one generation to another but still Xbox brand name gained a lot of strength this generation.

Yep. They've done well in that regard. The Playstation brand is however too powerful for them to beat in the longrun. MS have neither the talent nor the common sense requiredto stay ahead of SONY

Marketshare doesn't transfer from generation to generation. All consoles start at zero sales. For Sony to have lost marketshare this gen and MS to have gained it, then you'd have to show a point in this generation where Sony had more of the market and MS had less than they each have currently. Since MS had 100% of the 7th gen market for a full year, that's gonna be hard to do...

I'd say it's a fair statement that MS has been much more successful this gen than they were last gen, and Sony not nearly as successful as last gen.

santoron

No it definitely does transfer over. MS had much less of the console marketshare and they have snatched a large slice of it away from Sony who were King last gen.

[QUOTE="santoron"]

Marketshare doesn't transfer from generation to generation. All consoles start at zero sales. For Sony to have lost marketshare this gen and MS to have gained it, then you'd have to show a point in this generation where Sony had more of the market and MS had less than they each have currently. Since MS had 100% of the 7th gen market for a full year, that's gonna be hard to do...

I'd say it's a fair statement that MS has been much more successful this gen than they were last gen, and Sony not nearly as successful as last gen.

Casboof

No it definitely does transfer over. MS had much less of the console marketshare and they have snatched a large slice of it away from Sony who were King last gen.

No it doesn't if it does PS3 should be at 300 mils console sold and Wii should be at about 500 mls or more.

[QUOTE="santoron"]

Marketshare doesn't transfer from generation to generation. All consoles start at zero sales. For Sony to have lost marketshare this gen and MS to have gained it, then you'd have to show a point in this generation where Sony had more of the market and MS had less than they each have currently. Since MS had 100% of the 7th gen market for a full year, that's gonna be hard to do...

I'd say it's a fair statement that MS has been much more successful this gen than they were last gen, and Sony not nearly as successful as last gen.

Casboof

No it definitely does transfer over. MS had much less of the console marketshare and they have snatched a large slice of it away from Sony who were King last gen.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

No matter how this gen plays out, MS certainly gained a surreal foothold for next gen, in terms of household name (xbox)

lawlessx

[QUOTE="Casboof"]

[QUOTE="santoron"]

Marketshare doesn't transfer from generation to generation. All consoles start at zero sales. For Sony to have lost marketshare this gen and MS to have gained it, then you'd have to show a point in this generation where Sony had more of the market and MS had less than they each have currently. Since MS had 100% of the 7th gen market for a full year, that's gonna be hard to do...

I'd say it's a fair statement that MS has been much more successful this gen than they were last gen, and Sony not nearly as successful as last gen.

Kashiwaba

No it definitely does transfer over. MS had much less of the console marketshare and they have snatched a large slice of it away from Sony who were King last gen.

No it doesn't if it does PS3 should be at 300 mils console sold and Wii should be at about 500 mls or more.

[QUOTE="Casboof"]

[QUOTE="santoron"]

Marketshare doesn't transfer from generation to generation. All consoles start at zero sales. For Sony to have lost marketshare this gen and MS to have gained it, then you'd have to show a point in this generation where Sony had more of the market and MS had less than they each have currently. Since MS had 100% of the 7th gen market for a full year, that's gonna be hard to do...

I'd say it's a fair statement that MS has been much more successful this gen than they were last gen, and Sony not nearly as successful as last gen.

Kashiwaba

No it definitely does transfer over. MS had much less of the console marketshare and they have snatched a large slice of it away from Sony who were King last gen.

No it doesn't if it does PS3 should be at 300 mils console sold and Wii should be at about 500 mls or more.

Precisely. You don't want to go down that road, Casboof. Because if you want wanna roll over totals, then MS would never crawl outta 3rd. Heck, it has a ways to go to beat Sega.

[QUOTE="Casboof"]

[QUOTE="santoron"]

Marketshare doesn't transfer from generation to generation. All consoles start at zero sales. For Sony to have lost marketshare this gen and MS to have gained it, then you'd have to show a point in this generation where Sony had more of the market and MS had less than they each have currently. Since MS had 100% of the 7th gen market for a full year, that's gonna be hard to do...

I'd say it's a fair statement that MS has been much more successful this gen than they were last gen, and Sony not nearly as successful as last gen.

Kashiwaba

No it definitely does transfer over. MS had much less of the console marketshare and they have snatched a large slice of it away from Sony who were King last gen.

No it doesn't if it does PS3 should be at 300 mils console sold and Wii should be at about 500 mls or more.

i dont think you undertsand what market share is. Maybe on SW it resets with new console generations... but in business... market share doesnt reset. Its also measured in terms of dollars and cents and not units sold.

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[QUOTE="Casboof"]

No it definitely does transfer over. MS had much less of the console marketshare and they have snatched a large slice of it away from Sony who were King last gen.

themyth01

No it doesn't if it does PS3 should be at 300 mils console sold and Wii should be at about 500 mls or more.

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

No it doesn't if it does PS3 should be at 300 mils console sold and Wii should be at about 500 mls or more.

brennan7777

maybe but mostly only in america and parts of euelbert_b_23

maybe but mostly only in america and parts of euelbert_b_23

I think it's safe to say that Lems are scrambling to look for silver lining after spending the entire generation talking about how well consoles and game sell rather than the quality of said consoles and games... Only to start being overtaken in the coveted sales game after all.

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[QUOTE="themyth01"] You're missing the point, which is that they lost their PS2 players to MS, in that sense is how they lost market share. I'm a PS2 gamer myself and while I have both systems, I buy way more 360 games than PS3 games. themyth01

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[QUOTE="themyth01"] You're missing the point, which is that they lost their PS2 players to MS, in that sense is how they lost market share. I'm a PS2 gamer myself and while I have both systems, I buy way more 360 games than PS3 games. themyth01

I realize the PS2 isn't considered a "current-gen" system, but if we're making arguments around the PS2, it's strange to act like it's been discontinued and that Sony has been relying exclusively on the PS3 in the home console market since 2006.

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I think the best way to tell whether or not Sony failed with the PS3 is to compare it to where its predecessors were at similar points of their lifetime.

And for the PS2, about 3 years and 9 months into its lifespan, it had shipped 69.46 million units.

At about 3 years and 9 months into the PS1's lifecycle, the PS1 had shipped 43.14 million units.

The PS3 is currently sitting at 41.6 million units.

So it's quite clear the PS3 is not doing as well as the PS2 did. They have backtracked. It is doing a good job of matching up with the PS1's performance. This is rather impressive considering the PS3 has sold for twice as much throughout most of its lifetime.