Is it still fair to consider PS3 a failure in the year 2011? A look back.

I thought about this topic when i was on a comparison sites for the Fight Night Demo on PSN and Live and someone made it sound like PS3 was still a failure today. that made me think back over the years and see if it really was ever a failure and if it was, is it still today?

the year is 2006. MS 360 console has been out for a whole year prior to PS3s Novmeber launch in this year. Expectations are high for SONYs 3 iteration in their Playstation franchise. The console launched at 600 dollars and had few compelling launch games.

From 2007 to about 2008, there werent many compelling reasons to pick up the syestem over a 360, espeacily since PS3 cost 200 dollars more adn 360 was getting some of its best games in 2007. 360 was also commanding a multiplatform dominance in that it was kinda dumb to get them on PS3 over 360 since nearly all were better on 360 by a meaningful margin.

2008 comes around and the PS3 gets MGS 4, IMO the syestems first true syestem seller game. MGS 4 has gone now to sell over 5 million copies and is a major sucess. In thsi year also they lowered the price and made it slightly more affordable, but it was still more expensive then the 360 I believe.

Then 2009 rolls around and we finaly start PS3 tipping things to a more even level between it and 360. PS3 had arguably the better year of software games, released a new redesign and finaly lowered the price to what people wnated, that being 300 dollars. Now the syestem was finaly on even pricing level with 360 for the standard issue model, while 360 still technicaly had a price advantage with their Arcade SKu at 200. But I think alot of 360 sales come from that 300 feature riched model. in this same year PS3 outsold 360 for the year and made a great stride in closing the sales gap between it and 360.

in 2010 the console goes on to keep selling well, although 360 still had a sales advantage in USA month after month this year. However, everywhere else SONY was selling great and it is now known thatas of December of last year, PS3 and 360 where in a dead heat in consoles sold for the year.

The sales gap which was once 5 million or more is now about 3 million. And SONYs PS3 has made great strides, improvements, and efforts over the years making it a compelling purchase.

But comapred to 360, is it a failure? Well, 360 once had a sizeable 5 or so million lead on PS3 and outsold it everywhere. Now the sales numbers are about even and the gap is only about 3 million or so, so is PS3 a failure in sales? Nope.

What about multiplatform games? Well, this is a yes and no situation. yes, 360 does get them slightly better most of the time or alot better sometimes, but read SLIGHTLY and SOMTIMES. A person who only owns a PS3, on average, isnt going to get their version of the game that much worse then it would have been on 360. Will they care if its slightly less blurry or runs a bit smoother on a console they dont own? Nope, and I cant see why that would be a compelling reason why that would be a reason to pick up a 360 also. If you own both, then by all means get the game where its best at, but just because 360 gets them a bit better then the PS3 version i dont think makes 360 a better console or makes PS3 a failure, espeacily when PS3 has tons of compelling sfotware in Exclusvies alone. Me personaly? Im probaly gonna get them where they are best, and that would probaly be 360 with most stuff, but it wouldnt be a reason really why I would say get a 360 over a PS3 because the differences usualy arent big enough to warrent saying that.

But surely the PS3 dosent have as high quality Exclusives as 360, like it was in the early days: Well, there your wrong my friend. Actualy, there has been a rather surprising tip in teh scales of PS3 and 360 when it comes to this lately. Look at what PS3 has Exclusvie this year. Now look at MS. As of right now PS3 wins no contest. Will MS announce stuff at E3? honestly, who knows. For all we know they could only focus on Kinect and leave core gamers out in the cold. They still have multiplatform to fall back on, but thats not a very healthy stance to take when you want to make this thing as long term as possible. Alot of 360s former exclusives like Bioshock, the majority of the Mass Effect Franchise, and so on are now on PS3 as well. So is it a failure here? No Way.

So overal, given what we discussed, do you think it is fair to say in thsi day and age that PS3 is a "failure" of a console. Is the only reason to think of it as a failure is because it didnt do as good as the previous console? is that even fair? If you think 360 is better due to slightly better multiplatform, please explain why. Im sincerely curious. Discuss

It was failure for the first couple years. But it has gotten better.

games define a console right? then the ps3 is a great system, period.

PS3 was never a failure, it just didn't sell as much as its predecessor because of a high price and bad press. Its still the best out of all the systems currently available.

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It is a failure compared to the PS1 and PS2. Other than that, the console is making money and is still strong in sales and, of course, ensured BR becomes the HD disc medium of choice. So in terms of a business move, it isn't really a failure.

Both systems are good. It is just a shame that some developers, such as GG, merely focus on graphics in their games. What is even more sad, is the fans of these developers, hyping their games to heaven for their graphics and--steady now--supposed good campaign and story. Then, the game is released, attains a pathetic 8.5, and flops, resulting in no one giving it attention, despite the fact that the 8.5 score actually tells us that it is a great game, indeed.

But im curious if some think that since they get the technicaly worse version of multiplatform often, if that makes it a worse console?

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VensInferno

Actualy no its not. If you actualy read my damn OP you would know what caused me to create this thread.

Both systems are good. It is just a shame that some developers, such as GG, merely focus on graphics in their games. What is even more sad, is the fans of these developers, hyping their games to heaven for their graphics and--steady now--supposed good campaign and story. Then, the game is released, attains a pathetic 8.5, and flops, resulting in no one giving it attention, despite the fact that the 8.5 score actually tells us that it is a great game, indeed.

SHR3DD3D

Why would a 8.5 be pathetic then?

I never thought the PS3 was a failure. If anything, I think the actual console is far superior to the 360 in terms of potential, power and features.

The 360 would NOT be ahead if Halo didn't exist. Or might never have been made but who knows?

The reason I bought a 360 was its one major USP - Halo.Although I'm still happy with my decision despite the distinct lack of any exclusives or announcements of such this year.

I will keep it short and simple:

Launch = failure

Past 2 -3 years = rise to the top

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VensInferno

I never agreed with calling the PS3 a failure due to it not selling more than its predecessor when this generation isn't even over yet. There is always a possibility that it will go on to sell more than the PS2 in the end. Not saying it will, but you never know what the final sales will be until it no longer is being sold.

It would be like calling the PS2 a failure midway through last generation because it hadn't hit 100 million in sales like the PS1 did.

You mention the 360 lead being down to 3 million from 5 or so. At the end of 2006, 360 had about an 8.7 million lead over PS3. In 4 years, that's shrunk by 5.7 million. Also, you said that PS3 outsold 360 for the year in 09, and they were dead even in 10. It's more accurate to say PS3 has been outselling 360 pretty much ever since it released, and also, it's sold more if you compare PS3's first 4 years to 360's first four. Pretty much the only way you can compare 360 to PS3 sales, and have 360 come out on top, is by comparing 5 years to 4 years.

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Ratchet_Fan8

umm, thanks? lol. I struggle with both a bit.

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VensInferno

I've seen XboximusPrime post before, he's far from a Lem if thats what youre assuming. He's actually pretty pro PS3.

The PS3 actually had a $100 price drop in Summer '07. that was when I bought mine. I definitely think the PS3 has redeemed itself at this point. I had a very rough start, but Sony's strong first party has managed to provide top notch games and several GOTY nominees

This is were they were coming from :

PS2 At least 146.9 million

Xbox 24 million

NGC 21.74 million

We tend to forget how hard they fell.

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Both systems are good. It is just a shame that some developers, such as GG, merely focus on graphics in their games. What is even more sad, is the fans of these developers, hyping their games to heaven for their graphics and--steady now--supposed good campaign and story. Then, the game is released, attains a pathetic 8.5, and flops, resulting in no one giving it attention, despite the fact that the 8.5 score actually tells us that it is a great game, indeed.

XboximusPrime

Why would a 8.5 be pathetic then?

For a game having a past like Killzone 3? Is it not quite obvious? :roll:

You mention the 360 lead being down to 3 million from 5 or so. At the end of 2006, 360 had about an 8.7 million lead over PS3. In 4 years, that's shrunk by 5.7 million. Also, you said that PS3 outsold 360 for the year in 09, and they were dead even in 10. It's more accurate to say PS3 has been outselling 360 pretty much ever since it released, and also, it's sold more if you compare PS3's first 4 years to 360's first four. Pretty much the only way you can compare 360 to PS3 sales, and have 360 come out on top, is by comparing 5 years to 4 years.

ianuilliam

I think I was talking more America numbers more then anything, since I have no way of really getting a solid stream of sales numbers for Europe or whatever.

This is were they were coming from :

PS2 At least 146.9 million

Xbox 24 million

NGC 21.74 million

We tend to forget how hard they fell.

milannoir

But why not judge the syetem on its own mertis? Why do I care about the past?

The PS3 actually had a $100 price drop in Summer '07. that was when I bought mine. I definitely think the PS3 has redeemed itself at this point. I had a very rough start, but Sony's strong first party has managed to provide top notch games and several GOTY nominees

BPoole96

What console do you get multiplatform on though, or do you only own a PS3? im curious if people mainly use their PS3s for Exclusives and still consider it a great and "Redeemed" console.

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You mention the 360 lead being down to 3 million from 5 or so. At the end of 2006, 360 had about an 8.7 million lead over PS3. In 4 years, that's shrunk by 5.7 million. Also, you said that PS3 outsold 360 for the year in 09, and they were dead even in 10. It's more accurate to say PS3 has been outselling 360 pretty much ever since it released, and also, it's sold more if you compare PS3's first 4 years to 360's first four. Pretty much the only way you can compare 360 to PS3 sales, and have 360 come out on top, is by comparing 5 years to 4 years.

XboximusPrime

I think I was talking more America numbers more then anything, since I have no way of really getting a solid stream of sales numbers for Europe or whatever.

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XboximusPrime

Actualy no its not. If you actualy read my damn OP you would know what caused me to create this thread.

360 == ps3

PC > all

Console arguments are for little swedish girls, man up and get a PC.

haberman13

PS3 + 360 +Wii (my systems) >>> PC

While i can play Witcher 2, Skyrim on consoles, i cant play Demons Souls, Fable, Alan Wake, Dark Souls !!!!!, FF13-2, FF13vs, Lost Odyssey, Zelda SS on PC

But im curious if some think that since they get the technicaly worse version of multiplatform often, if that makes it a worse console?

XboximusPrime

Such ... subtlety. I like it.

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But im curious if some think that since they get the technicaly worse version of multiplatform often, if that makes it a worse console?

Dire_Weasel

Such ... subtlety. I like it.

Genuine question actualy, but I can see why it could like im trying to make a subtle jab at PS3 or whatever.

games define a console right? then the ps3 is a great system, period.

aia89

I'll second that.

at this point it is far from a failure. the only real beef i still have is psn being substandard.

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This is were they were coming from :

PS2 At least 146.9 million

Xbox 24 million

NGC 21.74 million

We tend to forget how hard they fell.

XboximusPrime

But why not judge the syetem on its own mertis? Why do I care about the past?

Because its past is a major part of its brand. And its brand is a major reason for its sales. So of course it is a major sales failure. That doesn't mean that the machine itself is a failure. But you were the one who brought up sales as a component of the OP. Consequently, it is quite fair to point out that the PS3 is a symbol of one of the swiftest and greatest collapses of marketshare in consumer products. Every cow on this board is quick to point out a year headstart for the 360; but that headstart is trivial compared to the massive brand headstart that the PS3 started with. And the Wii has destroyed both of them.

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This is were they were coming from :

PS2 At least 146.9 million

Xbox 24 million

NGC 21.74 million

We tend to forget how hard they fell.

SUD123456

But why not judge the syetem on its own mertis? Why do I care about the past?

Because its past is a major part of its brand. And its brand is a major reason for its sales. So of course it is a major sales failure. That doesn't mean that the machine itself is a failure. But you were the one who brought up sales as a component of the OP. Consequently, it is quite fair to point out that the PS3 is a symbol of one of the swiftest and greatest collapses of marketshare in consumer products. Every cow on this board is quick to point out a year headstart for the 360; but that headstart is trivial compared to the massive brand headstart that the PS3 started with. And the Wii has destroyed both of them.

The collapse of marketshare happens to all companies 16 years ago Nintendo lost a lot of its marketshare to Sony and 6 years after that even Microsoft (a new comer to the industry) beat them in the market share its simple no one can stay on the top forever but as long as they stay in the race and doesn't get out like what happened to SEGA then its still good.

against the PS2? yes its a complete catastrophe. they have gone from first to last this gen and has done the brand absolutely no favours. osan0

Lets wait until PS3s are no longer being sold before we claim it hasn't surpassed its predecessor. PS2 150 million in 10 years or 15 million a year. PS3 50 million over 4 years or over 12 million a year. So if the PS3 is on the market a couple years longer than the PS2 which could easily happen, it will eventually out sell the PS2.

I thought about this topic when i was on a comparison sites for the Fight Night Demo on PSN and Live and someone made it sound like PS3 was still a failure today. that made me think back over the years and see if it really was ever a failure and if it was, is it still today?

the year is 2006. MS 360 console has been out for a whole year prior to PS3s Novmeber launch in this year. Expectations are high for SONYs 3 iteration in their Playstation franchise. The console launched at 600 dollars and had few compelling launch games.

From 2007 to about 2008, there werent many compelling reasons to pick up the syestem over a 360, espeacily since PS3 cost 200 dollars more adn 360 was getting some of its best games in 2007. 360 was also commanding a multiplatform dominance in that it was kinda dumb to get them on PS3 over 360 since nearly all were better on 360 by a meaningful margin. I spent 200 dollars more on the PS3 first because it had Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, a masterpiece of a game and my favorite game this generation. When I didn't have the money, I used to drive to Target just to play its demo. I also picked up Ratchet and Clank, a good game, but nowhere near the then 360 library, and Warhawk, a terrible game. So basically, 11 playthroughs of Uncharted were good enough for 600 dollars. I know, crazy huh? Your point is completely valid, though.

2008 comes around and the PS3 gets MGS 4, IMO the syestems first true syestem seller game. MGS 4 has gone now to sell over 5 million copies and is a major sucess. In thsi year also they lowered the price and made it slightly more affordable, but it was still more expensive then the 360 I believe. Yeah, 2008 was a GREAT year for the PS3, with BioShock coming out for it, and its GOTY 10/10 exclusive MGS4. On most sites, it was said that 2008 was an amazing year for the PS3 because of its 1-2-3 GOTY candidate punch of LBP, MGS4, and Resistance 2. A great year, but the price was still higher than the 360's, you're right. Oh, and I was still playing Drake's Fortune.

Then 2009 rolls around and we finaly start PS3 tipping things to a more even level between it and 360. PS3 had arguably the better year of software games, released a new redesign and finaly lowered the price to what people wnated, that being 300 dollars. Now the syestem was finaly on even pricing level with 360 for the standard issue model, while 360 still technicaly had a price advantage with their Arcade SKu at 200. But I think alot of 360 sales come from that 300 feature riched model. in this same year PS3 outsold 360 for the year and made a great stride in closing the sales gap between it and 360. 2009 was another great year for the PS3. Infamous came first, which I rented and didn't like, but met much critical acclaim and was great for developer Sucker Punch. Killzone 2 already had come out and was one of, if not the best, shooters for the year. There was also a new Ratchet and Clank which was great, but everyone knows the motherload that was Uncharted 2: Among Thieves. Most people even know I was INSANE about this game, especially after the first one. While a LOT of other people loved it including me, it didn't quite meet my expectations compared to the first one, but still, it was the killer killer app for the PS3. The PS3 also sold a hellofalot.

in 2010 the console goes on to keep selling well, although 360 still had a sales advantage in USA month after month this year. However, everywhere else SONY was selling great and it is now known thatas of December of last year, PS3 and 360 where in a dead heat in consoles sold for the year. Ahh, 2010. This was a year where it was nothing special for me. The first game that I bought in the year that was actually released in 2010 was GOW3, which I and critics absolutely loved. There was the great racing, but little flop that was GT5. And Heavy Rain left its mark on the gaming industry as a PS3 exclusive too. There were many other games, but this year was mostly dominated by multiplats. While GOW3 was my GOTY, I finally bought a 360 and enjoyed its better year than the PS3 and its huge backlog of games. The dead heat part is true, and interesting that the PS3 is still selling this well despite much cheaper SKUs from competitors. But who am I to hate on success?

The sales gap which was once 5 million or more is now about 3 million. And SONYs PS3 has made great strides, improvements, and efforts over the years making it a compelling purchase.

But comapred to 360, is it a failure? Well, 360 once had a sizeable 5 or so million lead on PS3 and outsold it everywhere. Now the sales numbers are about even and the gap is only about 3 million or so, so is PS3 a failure in sales? Nope. Is it a failure? Nope, not at all. Is it a outdated PC? Yep. Will it ever be the PS2? Never.

What about multiplatform games? Well, this is a yes and no situation. yes, 360 does get them slightly better most of the time or alot better sometimes, but read SLIGHTLY and SOMTIMES. A person who only owns a PS3, on average, isnt going to get their version of the game that much worse then it would have been on 360. Will they care if its slightly less blurry or runs a bit smoother on a console they dont own? Nope, and I cant see why that would be a compelling reason why that would be a reason to pick up a 360 also. If you own both, then by all means get the game where its best at, but just because 360 gets them a bit better then the PS3 version i dont think makes 360 a better console or makes PS3 a failure, espeacily when PS3 has tons of compelling sfotware in Exclusvies alone. Me personaly? Im probaly gonna get them where they are best, and that would probaly be 360 with most stuff, but it wouldnt be a reason really why I would say get a 360 over a PS3 because the differences usualy arent big enough to warrent saying that. No, I don't think that multiplats are too different on either systems for a normal consumer like me, a great looking and playing game is a great looking and playing game on either system, but there are exceptions, like Bayonetta. This isn't going to judge how the generation was in any way, and it shouldn't.

But surely the PS3 dosent have as high quality Exclusives as 360, like it was in the early days: Well, there your wrong my friend. Actualy, there has been a rather surprising tip in teh scales of PS3 and 360 when it comes to this lately. Look at what PS3 has Exclusvie this year. Now look at MS. As of right now PS3 wins no contest. Will MS announce stuff at E3? honestly, who knows. For all we know they could only focus on Kinect and leave core gamers out in the cold. They still have multiplatform to fall back on, but thats not a very healthy stance to take when you want to make this thing as long term as possible. Alot of 360s former exclusives like Bioshock, the majority of the Mass Effect Franchise, and so on are now on PS3 as well. So is it a failure here? No Way. Excellent. You hit the nail on the head here.

So overal, given what we discussed, do you think it is fair to say in thsi day and age that PS3 is a "failure" of a console. Is the only reason to think of it as a failure is because it didnt do as good as the previous console? is that even fair? If you think 360 is better due to slightly better multiplatform, please explain why. Im sincerely curious. Discuss

My conclusion: No, it's not a failure. Was the launch a stupid idea? Yes, but if it meant that Sony could be this successful, then I'm okay with that. It's not the PS2, and it is an outdated PC, but one hell of a great outdated-PC-not-PS2-console. And if you own all three consoles, then it definitely shows its prowess in the ring.

XboximusPrime

Hope someone reads this, I put a lot of thought and time into it.

It depends on what metric were using. against the PS2? yes its a complete catastrophe. they have gone from first to last this gen and has done the brand absolutely no favours. financial? to be determined. they have posted good figures for this year in their gaming division but has the PS3 actually managed to pay for itself yet (as in covering R&D costs, compensating for the money lost in the first few years at selling at a loss and so on)? i dont think it has yet and sony mentioned a few years ago that it probably wont before they discontinue it. mind you the longer this gen keeps going the better for sony on this front. PS3s and games are now sold at a profit and they have been posting solid numbers for a couple of years now i think. games? thats opinion really. if were to go by reviews though then yes..it has a good library of games. some multiplats are dodgy (though this is far less of an issue now compared to launch) but it gets the big multiplats and sony are backing that with huge investments into the PS3s own exclsuives. games are also selling well in general. maybe not as well as their 360 counter parts but certainly making the publishers a wad of cash.osan0

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I thought about this topic when i was on a comparison sites for the Fight Night Demo on PSN and Live and someone made it sound like PS3 was still a failure today. that made me think back over the years and see if it really was ever a failure and if it was, is it still today?

the year is 2006. MS 360 console has been out for a whole year prior to PS3s Novmeber launch in this year. Expectations are high for SONYs 3 iteration in their Playstation franchise. The console launched at 600 dollars and had few compelling launch games.

From 2007 to about 2008, there werent many compelling reasons to pick up the syestem over a 360, espeacily since PS3 cost 200 dollars more adn 360 was getting some of its best games in 2007. 360 was also commanding a multiplatform dominance in that it was kinda dumb to get them on PS3 over 360 since nearly all were better on 360 by a meaningful margin. I spent 200 dollars more on the PS3 first because it had Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, a masterpiece of a game and my favorite game this generation. When I didn't have the money, I used to drive to Target just to play its demo. I also picked up Ratchet and Clank, a good game, but nowhere near the then 360 library, and Warhawk, a terrible game. So basically, 11 playthroughs of Uncharted were good enough for 600 dollars. I know, crazy huh? Your point is completely valid, though.

2008 comes around and the PS3 gets MGS 4, IMO the syestems first true syestem seller game. MGS 4 has gone now to sell over 5 million copies and is a major sucess. In thsi year also they lowered the price and made it slightly more affordable, but it was still more expensive then the 360 I believe. Yeah, 2008 was a GREAT year for the PS3, with BioShock coming out for it, and its GOTY 10/10 exclusive MGS4. On most sites, it was said that 2008 was an amazing year for the PS3 because of its 1-2-3 GOTY candidate punch of LBP, MGS4, and Resistance 2. A great year, but the price was still higher than the 360's, you're right. Oh, and I was still playing Drake's Fortune.

Then 2009 rolls around and we finaly start PS3 tipping things to a more even level between it and 360. PS3 had arguably the better year of software games, released a new redesign and finaly lowered the price to what people wnated, that being 300 dollars. Now the syestem was finaly on even pricing level with 360 for the standard issue model, while 360 still technicaly had a price advantage with their Arcade SKu at 200. But I think alot of 360 sales come from that 300 feature riched model. in this same year PS3 outsold 360 for the year and made a great stride in closing the sales gap between it and 360. 2009 was another great year for the PS3. Infamous came first, which I rented and didn't like, but met much critical acclaim and was great for developer Sucker Punch. Killzone 2 already had come out and was one of, if not the best, shooters for the year. There was also a new Ratchet and Clank which was great, but everyone knows the motherload that was Uncharted 2: Among Thieves. Most people even know I was INSANE about this game, especially after the first one. While a LOT of other people loved it including me, it didn't quite meet my expectations compared to the first one, but still, it was the killer killer app for the PS3. The PS3 also sold a hellofalot.

in 2010 the console goes on to keep selling well, although 360 still had a sales advantage in USA month after month this year. However, everywhere else SONY was selling great and it is now known thatas of December of last year, PS3 and 360 where in a dead heat in consoles sold for the year. Ahh, 2010. This was a year where it was nothing special for me. The first game that I bought in the year that was actually released in 2010 was GOW3, which I and critics absolutely loved. There was the great racing, but little flop that was GT5. And Heavy Rain left its mark on the gaming industry as a PS3 exclusive too. There were many other games, but this year was mostly dominated by multiplats. While GOW3 was my GOTY, I finally bought a 360 and enjoyed its better year than the PS3 and its huge backlog of games. The dead heat part is true, and interesting that the PS3 is still selling this well despite much cheaper SKUs from competitors. But who am I to hate on success?

The sales gap which was once 5 million or more is now about 3 million. And SONYs PS3 has made great strides, improvements, and efforts over the years making it a compelling purchase.

But comapred to 360, is it a failure? Well, 360 once had a sizeable 5 or so million lead on PS3 and outsold it everywhere. Now the sales numbers are about even and the gap is only about 3 million or so, so is PS3 a failure in sales? Nope. Is it a failure? Nope, not at all. Is it a outdated PC? Yep. Will it ever be the PS2? Never.

What about multiplatform games? Well, this is a yes and no situation. yes, 360 does get them slightly better most of the time or alot better sometimes, but read SLIGHTLY and SOMTIMES. A person who only owns a PS3, on average, isnt going to get their version of the game that much worse then it would have been on 360. Will they care if its slightly less blurry or runs a bit smoother on a console they dont own? Nope, and I cant see why that would be a compelling reason why that would be a reason to pick up a 360 also. If you own both, then by all means get the game where its best at, but just because 360 gets them a bit better then the PS3 version i dont think makes 360 a better console or makes PS3 a failure, espeacily when PS3 has tons of compelling sfotware in Exclusvies alone. Me personaly? Im probaly gonna get them where they are best, and that would probaly be 360 with most stuff, but it wouldnt be a reason really why I would say get a 360 over a PS3 because the differences usualy arent big enough to warrent saying that. No, I don't think that multiplats are too different on either systems for a normal consumer like me, a great looking and playing game is a great looking and playing game on either system, but there are exceptions, like Bayonetta. This isn't going to judge how the generation was in any way, and it shouldn't.

But surely the PS3 dosent have as high quality Exclusives as 360, like it was in the early days: Well, there your wrong my friend. Actualy, there has been a rather surprising tip in teh scales of PS3 and 360 when it comes to this lately. Look at what PS3 has Exclusvie this year. Now look at MS. As of right now PS3 wins no contest. Will MS announce stuff at E3? honestly, who knows. For all we know they could only focus on Kinect and leave core gamers out in the cold. They still have multiplatform to fall back on, but thats not a very healthy stance to take when you want to make this thing as long term as possible. Alot of 360s former exclusives like Bioshock, the majority of the Mass Effect Franchise, and so on are now on PS3 as well. So is it a failure here? No Way. Excellent. You hit the nail on the head here.

So overal, given what we discussed, do you think it is fair to say in thsi day and age that PS3 is a "failure" of a console. Is the only reason to think of it as a failure is because it didnt do as good as the previous console? is that even fair? If you think 360 is better due to slightly better multiplatform, please explain why. Im sincerely curious. Discuss

My conclusion: No, it's not a failure. Was the launch a stupid idea? Yes, but if it meant that Sony could be this successful, then I'm okay with that. It's not the PS2, and it is an outdated PC, but one hell of a great outdated-PC-not-PS2-console. And if you own all three consoles, then it definitely shows its prowess in the ring.

Blabadon

Hope someone reads this, I put a lot of thought and time into it.

I read it, good points.

tl;dr

the ps3 lineup looks great this year though. my ps3 is gonna get a lot more playtime than in the past.

I'm a little surprised and amazed that the TC didn't come in here posting a bunch of fanboyism nonsense, bias rants, and made some pretty decent arguments.

But to answer the topic title...the PS3 did have a rough start but slowly bounced back even catching up to the 360 sales wise. So the PS3 is not a failure especially when it comes to 2011 (LBP2, KZ3, U3, Dead Space 2's 9.0, etc.)

Never considered it a failure

No its not a failure, its multiplats are usally about even and soemtimes even better but its the exclusives that make it the superior platform in my opionion.

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The PS3 actually had a $100 price drop in Summer '07. that was when I bought mine. I definitely think the PS3 has redeemed itself at this point. I had a very rough start, but Sony's strong first party has managed to provide top notch games and several GOTY nominees

XboximusPrime

What console do you get multiplatform on though, or do you only own a PS3? im curious if people mainly use their PS3s for Exclusives and still consider it a great and "Redeemed" console.

I only own a PS3, but I think Sony has done a good job lately with adding incentives to multiplatform games. For instance, Mafia 2, AC Brotherhood, Portal 2, Medal of Honor, Dead Space 2 and possibly even Mass Effect 2 all had bonuses over their multiplatform counterparts. PS3 has gotten the shaft with multiplats in the past, but publishers at least can now acknowledge that the PS3 has a strong userbase and won't make terrible ports like The Orange Box or anything

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

The PS3 actually had a $100 price drop in Summer '07. that was when I bought mine. I definitely think the PS3 has redeemed itself at this point. I had a very rough start, but Sony's strong first party has managed to provide top notch games and several GOTY nominees

BPoole96

What console do you get multiplatform on though, or do you only own a PS3? im curious if people mainly use their PS3s for Exclusives and still consider it a great and "Redeemed" console.

I only own a PS3, but I think Sony has done a good job lately with adding incentives to multiplatform games. For instance, Mafia 2, AC Brotherhood, Portal 2, Medal of Honor, Dead Space 2 and possibly even Mass Effect 2 all had bonuses over their multiplatform counterparts. PS3 has gotten the shaft with multiplats in the past, but publishers at least can now acknowledge that the PS3 has a strong userbase and won't make terrible ports like The Orange Box or anything

Multiplats on PS3 usualy arent orange box quality, but I do think they still favor 360 slightly. mafia 2 looked rather meh on PS3 compared to 360, and Brotherhood was alot closer, but I think still ran better on 360. I dont think the added stuff is worth it really if the game is gonna be worse.