Is it still fair to consider PS3 a failure in the year 2011? A look back.

To sony it definately is a failure. To us gamers? Heck no! They've had a lot of support from third parties, and the first party is on a whole other level this gen imo.

No, the PS3 is not a failure. Somehow it has overcome the nearly insurmountable odds of being a $600 system released a year after its cheaper major competitor, and has gone on to become the lead console for AAA exclusives this generation.

The PS3 Slim, in particular, has been a great success. It has equaled or beaten (usually beaten) the 360 in sales every quarter since its release, and helped repair the Playstation brand enormously. Unlike the original PS3, it's profitable too.

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360 == ps3

PC > all

Console arguments are for little swedish girls, man up and get a PC.

gmaster456

Consoles are for little pansies :x

Video games in general are for little pansies:P

That is, unless you're a hardcore gamer and only play M rated games

I have a very simplistic yet realistic view of the things , maybe because they're actually , well , that simple?

PS3 start was a failure in every aspect there ain't no way to deny it , even though I bough it by then lol.Sony more than clearly got our message and at HTAT POINT I started respecting them a lot more , they did cut down the price, they cut it down again , brought tons of new ips and sequels to last gen successful ips , hell they did an awesome job.

Like Newton said , for every action there's a reaction , so how did the publico react to this :

Embracing it , which is clearly witnessed by yearly sales , every year aside from the first the ps3 outsold the xbox 360.

People love bringing third and second places to the table but that is inexistent in any industry ; we measure the rate of success of anything based on the time it's been out , of course!So the ps3 indeed can't match the legend the ps2 was , but it sure as hell made up for its bad debut and since 2007 it's been a better gaming machine than the 360.Or at least equivalent , as I'd say if I were in a good mood lol.

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I say Multiplats running slightly better, and having slight graphical differences, doesn't make a system better. Look at games like Dragon Age, that look better on PS3. Its barely even a difference, especially if you look at the PC version of the game. Unless the game is absolutely awful on a system, its really not a good reason to decide between them. (again unless its like PC where the game is actually marginally better)

Exclusives are the main reason to decide why to get a console, that or just plain preference. (like how I got a PS3 first because I liked the controller better) I mostly decided on a PS3 because GTA games are best with a dualshock controller IMO, and that was just my preference. But I also looked at upcoming titles, and the PS3 exclusives appealed to me more than any other systems.

Eventually I got a 360, a Wii and a gaming PC, which now my PS3 and PC are pretty much tied for my favor right now, and 360 and Wii are still awesome (I just don't have money for Live or new Wii games at the moment, so if I'm picking up anything it'll be on a steam deal or for PS3).

Anyways, I didn't get a PS3 at or around launch, I never get anything at launch. (I wait for features/games to come out, and bugs to be fixed). But the PS3 did have a pretty bad start, $600 for a console with just a few decent games, 2007 brought some good multiplats and a few more exclusives. I believe late 2008 was a good time to pick one, as there was plenty of decent games out (multiplat and exclusive) but 2009 was the best time to pick one up. $300 price, and great games (both exclusive and multiplat) and 2010 and up can only get better as more games are released.

So I say 2009 and on was the best time to pick one up.

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I thought about this topic when i was on a comparison sites for the Fight Night Demo on PSN and Live and someone made it sound like PS3 was still a failure today. that made me think back over the years and see if it really was ever a failure and if it was, is it still today?

the year is 2006. MS 360 console has been out for a whole year prior to PS3s Novmeber launch in this year. Expectations are high for SONYs 3 iteration in their Playstation franchise. The console launched at 600 dollars and had few compelling launch games.

From 2007 to about 2008, there werent many compelling reasons to pick up the syestem over a 360, espeacily since PS3 cost 200 dollars more adn 360 was getting some of its best games in 2007. 360 was also commanding a multiplatform dominance in that it was kinda dumb to get them on PS3 over 360 since nearly all were better on 360 by a meaningful margin. I spent 200 dollars more on the PS3 first because it had Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, a masterpiece of a game and my favorite game this generation. When I didn't have the money, I used to drive to Target just to play its demo. I also picked up Ratchet and Clank, a good game, but nowhere near the then 360 library, and Warhawk, a terrible game. So basically, 11 playthroughs of Uncharted were good enough for 600 dollars. I know, crazy huh? Your point is completely valid, though.

2008 comes around and the PS3 gets MGS 4, IMO the syestems first true syestem seller game. MGS 4 has gone now to sell over 5 million copies and is a major sucess. In thsi year also they lowered the price and made it slightly more affordable, but it was still more expensive then the 360 I believe. Yeah, 2008 was a GREAT year for the PS3, with BioShock coming out for it, and its GOTY 10/10 exclusive MGS4. On most sites, it was said that 2008 was an amazing year for the PS3 because of its 1-2-3 GOTY candidate punch of LBP, MGS4, and Resistance 2. A great year, but the price was still higher than the 360's, you're right. Oh, and I was still playing Drake's Fortune.

Then 2009 rolls around and we finaly start PS3 tipping things to a more even level between it and 360. PS3 had arguably the better year of software games, released a new redesign and finaly lowered the price to what people wnated, that being 300 dollars. Now the syestem was finaly on even pricing level with 360 for the standard issue model, while 360 still technicaly had a price advantage with their Arcade SKu at 200. But I think alot of 360 sales come from that 300 feature riched model. in this same year PS3 outsold 360 for the year and made a great stride in closing the sales gap between it and 360. 2009 was another great year for the PS3. Infamous came first, which I rented and didn't like, but met much critical acclaim and was great for developer Sucker Punch. Killzone 2 already had come out and was one of, if not the best, shooters for the year. There was also a new Ratchet and Clank which was great, but everyone knows the motherload that was Uncharted 2: Among Thieves. Most people even know I was INSANE about this game, especially after the first one. While a LOT of other people loved it including me, it didn't quite meet my expectations compared to the first one, but still, it was the killer killer app for the PS3. The PS3 also sold a hellofalot.

in 2010 the console goes on to keep selling well, although 360 still had a sales advantage in USA month after month this year. However, everywhere else SONY was selling great and it is now known thatas of December of last year, PS3 and 360 where in a dead heat in consoles sold for the year. Ahh, 2010. This was a year where it was nothing special for me. The first game that I bought in the year that was actually released in 2010 was GOW3, which I and critics absolutely loved. There was the great racing, but little flop that was GT5. And Heavy Rain left its mark on the gaming industry as a PS3 exclusive too. There were many other games, but this year was mostly dominated by multiplats. While GOW3 was my GOTY, I finally bought a 360 and enjoyed its better year than the PS3 and its huge backlog of games. The dead heat part is true, and interesting that the PS3 is still selling this well despite much cheaper SKUs from competitors. But who am I to hate on success?

The sales gap which was once 5 million or more is now about 3 million. And SONYs PS3 has made great strides, improvements, and efforts over the years making it a compelling purchase.

But comapred to 360, is it a failure? Well, 360 once had a sizeable 5 or so million lead on PS3 and outsold it everywhere. Now the sales numbers are about even and the gap is only about 3 million or so, so is PS3 a failure in sales? Nope. Is it a failure? Nope, not at all. Is it a outdated PC? Yep. Will it ever be the PS2? Never.

What about multiplatform games? Well, this is a yes and no situation. yes, 360 does get them slightly better most of the time or alot better sometimes, but read SLIGHTLY and SOMTIMES. A person who only owns a PS3, on average, isnt going to get their version of the game that much worse then it would have been on 360. Will they care if its slightly less blurry or runs a bit smoother on a console they dont own? Nope, and I cant see why that would be a compelling reason why that would be a reason to pick up a 360 also. If you own both, then by all means get the game where its best at, but just because 360 gets them a bit better then the PS3 version i dont think makes 360 a better console or makes PS3 a failure, espeacily when PS3 has tons of compelling sfotware in Exclusvies alone. Me personaly? Im probaly gonna get them where they are best, and that would probaly be 360 with most stuff, but it wouldnt be a reason really why I would say get a 360 over a PS3 because the differences usualy arent big enough to warrent saying that. No, I don't think that multiplats are too different on either systems for a normal consumer like me, a great looking and playing game is a great looking and playing game on either system, but there are exceptions, like Bayonetta. This isn't going to judge how the generation was in any way, and it shouldn't.

But surely the PS3 dosent have as high quality Exclusives as 360, like it was in the early days: Well, there your wrong my friend. Actualy, there has been a rather surprising tip in teh scales of PS3 and 360 when it comes to this lately. Look at what PS3 has Exclusvie this year. Now look at MS. As of right now PS3 wins no contest. Will MS announce stuff at E3? honestly, who knows. For all we know they could only focus on Kinect and leave core gamers out in the cold. They still have multiplatform to fall back on, but thats not a very healthy stance to take when you want to make this thing as long term as possible. Alot of 360s former exclusives like Bioshock, the majority of the Mass Effect Franchise, and so on are now on PS3 as well. So is it a failure here? No Way. Excellent. You hit the nail on the head here.

So overal, given what we discussed, do you think it is fair to say in thsi day and age that PS3 is a "failure" of a console. Is the only reason to think of it as a failure is because it didnt do as good as the previous console? is that even fair? If you think 360 is better due to slightly better multiplatform, please explain why. Im sincerely curious. Discuss

My conclusion: No, it's not a failure. Was the launch a stupid idea? Yes, but if it meant that Sony could be this successful, then I'm okay with that. It's not the PS2, and it is an outdated PC, but one hell of a great outdated-PC-not-PS2-console. And if you own all three consoles, then it definitely shows its prowess in the ring.

Blabadon

Hope someone reads this, I put a lot of thought and time into it.

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KBFloYd

Actualy no its not. If you actualy read my damn OP you would know what caused me to create this thread.

your OP was pointless junk everyone already knows.

should have been a 2 sentence post.

apparently not since I got atleast one person telling me I had good points and it was obviously wasnt pointless because you are the only person to tell me it was pointless what I said.

I remember back in early 2007 when PS3 only has Resistance and Motorstorm. Oh those were fun days. There wasn't a cow to been seen for miles... If you go back and look at how it was back then, and look at how now the PS3 has arguably the best library of games, and see how SW shifted from Lemtopia to Cowspot now... It's a sight to behold, really. What a comeback. I don't judge the PS3 based on the success of the PS2. I judge on its own merits, and I think the PS3 has slowly turned into the best console this genNot-A-Stalker

I was around the boards back then under a different username. It is startling how the board has changed. back then you had roughly 85 percent of peopel saying PS3 sucks and 15 percent or so saying it was great, not you have about 85 percent of people saying its great and 15 percent or so saying it sucks.

I remember back in early 2007 when PS3 only has Resistance and Motorstorm. Oh those were fun days. There wasn't a cow to been seen for miles... If you go back and look at how it was back then, and look at how now the PS3 has arguably the best library of games, and see how SW shifted from Lemtopia to Cowspot now... It's a sight to behold, really. What a comeback. I don't judge the PS3 based on the success of the PS2. I judge on its own merits, and I think the PS3 has slowly turned into the best console this genNot-A-Stalker

I was around the boards back then under a different username. It is startling how the board has changed. back then you had roughly 85 percent of peopel saying PS3 sucks and 15 percent or so saying it was great, not you have about 85 percent of people saying its great and 15 percent or so saying it sucks.

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VensInferno

perhaps you should actually read the post brah

The PS3 had ridiculously high, but at the same time justifiable, expectations. Both the PS1 and PS2 completely dominated the console market, and the hype behind the PS3 was massive but then then it fell pretty flat on it's face. I think what made matters worst was the fact that the Wii became the "Tickle Me Elmo" of Video game consoles, achieving the success that everyone predicted the PS3 would have. So in essence, people are still comparing the PS3's current status to the previous hype. In some ways, it's justified and in others it's completely exaggerated.

Unlike 2007/2008 PS3 is no longer the the console floating on life support. In fact, I'd argue Sony has done a superior job to both Microsoft and Nintendo at introducing new IPs for their system. At this point the PS3 is making a profit, PSPs sells well overseas, and the PS2 is still somehow selling. It's no where close to being their former dominance but it's still a far cry to having it's "Final nail in the coffin."

PS3's launch was one of the biggest gaming failures IMO...

But they listened, and kicked things up a bit. 2011 will kick things up a lot more for the console

Considering the PS3 has a great library of games, has sold as well as its main competitor and won the battle between Bluray and HD dvd I would have to consider the PS3 a success.

The PS3 is a success as a console, but a failure for a Sony console.

I feel like you've made this thread before. Anyway, just a few corrections.

But I think alot of 360 sales come from that 300 feature riched model. in this same year PS3 outsold 360 for the year and made a great stride in closing the sales gap between it and 360.

The sales gap which was once 5 million or more is now about 3 million. And SONYs PS3 has made great strides, improvements, and efforts over the years making it a compelling purchase.

XboximusPrime

The sales gap was at its height 8.7 million units, at the end of the Oct-Dec quarter 2006.

The PS3 was indisputably a trainwreck at launch, it made a dramatic turnaround in late 2009 - there are now more Slim SKUs then there are original design SKUs.

Some will continue to consider it a failure because its predecessors set lofty unattainable heights. The 3DS will probably be considered a failure too, when it fails to come anywhere close to the DS's numbers.

I do not think PS3 is a failure it has great games and not to mention blue Ray. If you compare the sales of the PS3 and Xbox 360 PS3 is outselling the Xbox everywhere else in the world except America. Also cool fact if The PS3 had come out the same time as the 360 the PS3 would be ahead in sales. Anyways PS3 is an excellent system and 360 is not that bad either so it is your pick gamers. Free online or 60 dollars a year with a little better online service. It is up to you Happy gaming!!

The PS3 is actually quite a significant failure if you look at how dominating the PS2 was last gen and now the PS3 is still trying to claw its way up to 2nd place 5 years in the making. C'mon, the PS3 is in no way performing like it should be. The 360 and the Wii on the other hand have made leaps and bounds toward success this gen with MS securing a concrete foothold in the market and Nintendo reclaiming kingship with an astonishing presence in the average American household.

The PS3 is actually quite a significant failure if you look at how dominating the PS2 was last gen Frostbite24

So by this logic the PS3 could out sell the PS2 but because more people are buying games than ever before it is considered a failure?

I think a combo of the PS3 slim and Uncharted 2 marked a turning point. It was the release of the PS3's arguably best exclusive to date and the price drop with the slim was huge. Since the slim they've been on a roll. The hack could change things though. Especially since GG have said the hack could potentially ruin the best part of KZ3.

it's definitely a failure financially compared to last gen but that in no way means it's a bad console. everyone knew it would be hard for the ps3 to live up to the behemoth that was the ps2, i don't think anyone thought it would be this hard though. nobody expected the 360 and especially the wii to have quite the success that they have, and that in itself took quite a bit of sales away from the ps3. sony went into it thinking most gamers who bought a ps2 would automatically buy a ps3 but after revealing the 600 dollar price tag they soon found out that this absolutely was not the case.

PS3 is a failure to Sony, not to gamers. So good for us, bad for Sony. themyth01

yeah, basically this.