Is it worth investing in XBOX360 at this point for me or not?

[QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="ihatecrysis"]

once again you haven't proved a thing. 360 has sold more. 360 has better games even if the service was just 60 a month for the same since its games are far superior it makes it worth it you can get an hdd on ps3 for cheaper and so on wow but once again back to the games 360 has better games its like you know you've lost and you bring up features that dont even relate to the games. but at the end of every day 360 has better games, gets higher review scores, games sell better,and you're still in dead last and for the guy who said crackdown is bad you can cry more because no ps3 exclusive goes near it. i cant wait to play gears 3 and cryteks xbox 360 exclusive while your stuck with uncharted and killzone 2.5

ChubbyGuy40

I owned somebody? YAY! Now to pick apart his response again.

The 360 has sold more, this is a fact. What has better games is entirely up to the user. Critics may rate 360 games higher, but you must understand this is just another opinion. It's not a set-in-stone truth. You cannot state your opinions as facts about this subject, especially when all you say it "oh me gawdz iz so much betta cause its all like PEWPEW so leet it owns PS3." You're showing the arguing skills of a 7 year old. By your logic, we should be justifying the XBL price even more because the games are good. They shouldn't be charging for P2P gaming in the first place. I said the PS3 was a better entertainment system, but it is also a better gaming solution IMO. The only thing that didn't relate to gaming was the mentioning of Netflix. Pay the 10 bucks or whatever it is to use it on everything but the 360. You must pay for a Gold account for access to that while everyone else has it free.

Also, I'm not dead last. I'm a PC fanboy at heart, although I love consoles except for the 360.

cry more i owned both you and just because someone says otherwise doent mean anything accept the truth. 360 has better games sold more and xbl has better features and really if the games are better than that makes the service better. you list feature that have nothing to do with gaming. that means if you aren't buying the system for gaming then ps3 is the better value but if you are actually buying it to play games then 360 is by far a superior system and has much more value for the money. and i play pc sometimes myself but i prefer consoles and xbox 360 has you beat. you dont even own a 360 do you? and seriously how does features unrelated to gaming make it a better value.if i could choose a service for free that has few good games or a service that is only slightly better and costs but has better games obviously i choose the one that costs. im not saying they should charge for xbl but thats something that helps us get better games and better online. you will never win this arguement.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="gmaster456"] Face it. ChubbyGuy owned you. Now drop itihatecrysis

I owned somebody? YAY! Now to pick apart his response again.

The 360 has sold more, this is a fact. What has better games is entirely up to the user. Critics may rate 360 games higher, but you must understand this is just another opinion. It's not a set-in-stone truth. You cannot state your opinions as facts about this subject, especially when all you say it "oh me gawdz iz so much betta cause its all like PEWPEW so leet it owns PS3." You're showing the arguing skills of a 7 year old. By your logic, we should be justifying the XBL price even more because the games are good. They shouldn't be charging for P2P gaming in the first place. I said the PS3 was a better entertainment system, but it is also a better gaming solution IMO. The only thing that didn't relate to gaming was the mentioning of Netflix. Pay the 10 bucks or whatever it is to use it on everything but the 360. You must pay for a Gold account for access to that while everyone else has it free.

Also, I'm not dead last. I'm a PC fanboy at heart, although I love consoles except for the 360.

cry more i owned both you and just because someone says otherwise doent mean anything accept the truth. 360 has better games sold more and xbl has better features and really if the games are better than that makes the service better. you list feature that have nothing to do with gaming. that means if you aren't buying the system for gaming then ps3 is the better value but if you are actually buying it to play games then 360 is by far a superior system and has much more value for the money. and i play pc sometimes myself but i prefer consoles and xbox 360 has you beat. you dont even own a 360 do you? and seriously how does features unrelated to gaming make it a better value.if i could choose a service for free that has few good games or a service that is only slightly better and costs but has better games obviously i choose the one that costs. im not saying they should charge for xbl but thats something that helps us get better games and better online. you will never win this arguement.

Just stop talking now kid and go back to screaming like a little brat over Halo Reach. I do own a 360. It doesn't even have the HDMI port because we bought it at the beginning of 2006...should've just waited for the PS3. It's failed on us 4 times now.

Sales and popularity do not dictate quality. If that was true, which you seem to agree on, then Justin Bieber must be one of the most talented people in the history of mankind. You need to learn what fact and opinion is. What makes a game good is solely up to the user. Just because it has guns and explosions, even though thats what triggers "AWESOME" inside the heads of teenagers like yourself, doesn't mean its a good game. You're the one that lost the argument, I'm merely egging you on because it's fun to argue about this. The XBL fee does not get you better games, it only gives Microsoft more money. It also takes a larger chunk of the profit from sales than PSN does. Plus Microsoft requires a fee to put DLC online, where as Sony doesn't care. They'll let devs put out free DLC if they want to.

How does loseless 7.1 sound not help? Good sound is of vital important in competative FPS games. How does a larger storage medium not provide more room for HD cutscenes and game content? Wanna know what's really ironic? You say all these features don't matter to gaming...when 50% of the stuff that you pay for access from XBL for is not related to gaming at all. It's social media BS, Netflix, ESPN, and more. I'm surprised you didn't catch yourself on this.

If you're not a kid I apologize, but the way you type out your words and the overall tone of your responses indicate a low level of maturity. The problem with your argument is what I've said many times. You keep using "its better" and not providing any type of backup. If you said "Gears 2 is better than KZ2's single player because it has a lengthier campaign and better controls," then that'd be a proper argument. Is it correct? I don't know but it's merely an example.

Bottom line is that he isn't interested in enough games to justify a 360 purchase. If money literally wasn't an issue, for example he'd play those games and beat them in a week then never pick it up again, then yes it'd be worth it. His money would go to better use for a Wii since it might have more games that appeal to him.

[QUOTE="ihatecrysis"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

I owned somebody? YAY! Now to pick apart his response again.

The 360 has sold more, this is a fact. What has better games is entirely up to the user. Critics may rate 360 games higher, but you must understand this is just another opinion. It's not a set-in-stone truth. You cannot state your opinions as facts about this subject, especially when all you say it "oh me gawdz iz so much betta cause its all like PEWPEW so leet it owns PS3." You're showing the arguing skills of a 7 year old. By your logic, we should be justifying the XBL price even more because the games are good. They shouldn't be charging for P2P gaming in the first place. I said the PS3 was a better entertainment system, but it is also a better gaming solution IMO. The only thing that didn't relate to gaming was the mentioning of Netflix. Pay the 10 bucks or whatever it is to use it on everything but the 360. You must pay for a Gold account for access to that while everyone else has it free.

Also, I'm not dead last. I'm a PC fanboy at heart, although I love consoles except for the 360.

ChubbyGuy40

cry more i owned both you and just because someone says otherwise doent mean anything accept the truth. 360 has better games sold more and xbl has better features and really if the games are better than that makes the service better. you list feature that have nothing to do with gaming. that means if you aren't buying the system for gaming then ps3 is the better value but if you are actually buying it to play games then 360 is by far a superior system and has much more value for the money. and i play pc sometimes myself but i prefer consoles and xbox 360 has you beat. you dont even own a 360 do you? and seriously how does features unrelated to gaming make it a better value.if i could choose a service for free that has few good games or a service that is only slightly better and costs but has better games obviously i choose the one that costs. im not saying they should charge for xbl but thats something that helps us get better games and better online. you will never win this arguement.

Just stop talking now kid and go back to screaming like a little brat over Halo Reach. I do own a 360. It doesn't even have the HDMI port because we bought it at the beginning of 2006...should've just waited for the PS3. It's failed on us 4 times now.

Sales and popularity do not dictate quality. If that was true, which you seem to agree on, then Justin Bieber must be one of the most talented people in the history of mankind. You need to learn what fact and opinion is. What makes a game good is solely up to the user. Just because it has guns and explosions, even though thats what triggers "AWESOME" inside the heads of teenagers like yourself, doesn't mean its a good game. You're the one that lost the argument, I'm merely egging you on because it's fun to argue about this. The XBL fee does not get you better games, it only gives Microsoft more money. It also takes a larger chunk of the profit from sales than PSN does. Plus Microsoft requires a fee to put DLC online, where as Sony doesn't care. They'll let devs put out free DLC if they want to.

How does loseless 7.1 sound not help? Good sound is of vital important in competative FPS games. How does a larger storage medium not provide more room for HD cutscenes and game content? Wanna know what's really ironic? You say all these features don't matter to gaming...when 50% of the stuff that you pay for access from XBL for is not related to gaming at all. It's social media BS, Netflix, ESPN, and more. I'm surprised you didn't catch yourself on this.

If you're not a kid I apologize, but the way you type out your words and the overall tone of your responses indicate a low level of maturity. The problem with your argument is what I've said many times. You keep using "its better" and not providing any type of backup. If you said "Gears 2 is better than KZ2's single player because it has a lengthier campaign and better controls," then that'd be a proper argument. Is it correct? I don't know but it's merely an example.

Bottom line is that he isn't interested in enough games to justify a 360 purchase. If money literally wasn't an issue, for example he'd play those games and beat them in a week then never pick it up again, then yes it'd be worth it. His money would go to better use for a Wii since it might have more games that appeal to him.

seriously you need to stop pulling the "im a mature adult" line its getting old and in no way makes you correct and thats something you should realise. and i wasnt talking about useless facebook and things like that i have never used. im saying even if the service was exactly the same it still allows me to play better exclusives which are better because games like halo allow for costum games, which has infinite mapmaking possiblites and the game creator is amazing. that was about the only game i play all of 2007 and 2008 because my friends always had a game going everytime i signed in. but while ps3 may b the same service for multiplatform games it still doesnt have the exclusives xbox 360 has. its like your completely ignoring i said that. and neither does my 360 have an hdmi port but im getting one that does and you can still buy a 250 gb hdd and xbox 360 does have 7.1 surround sound. and at the end of the day the reason xbox 360 is better is because of the games and the 60 bucks a year is worth playing them online becuase ps3 will never compare.

and i dont know who your talking about in that end part but i have a wii. and you just dont have taste for good games and thats your own problem

seriously you need to stop pulling the "im a mature adult" line its getting old and in no way makes you correct and thats something you should realise. and i wasnt talking about useless facebook and things like that i have never used. im saying even if the service was exactly the same it still allows me to play better exclusives which are better because games like halo allow for costum games, which has infinite mapmaking possiblites and the game creator is amazing. that was about the only game i play all of 2007 and 2008 because my friends always had a game going everytime i signed in. but while ps3 may b the same service for multiplatform games it still doesnt have the exclusives xbox 360 has. its like your completely ignoring i said that. and neither does my 360 have an hdmi port but im getting one that does and you can still buy a 250 gb hdd and xbox 360 does have 7.1 surround sound. and at the end of the day the reason xbox 360 is better is because of the games and the 60 bucks a year is worth playing them online becuase ps3 will never compare.

and i dont know who your talking about in that end part but i have a wii. and you just dont have taste for good games and thats your own problem

ihatecrysis

At least you finally put some kind of reasoning behind your arguments, however flawed they are. "which allow me to play better exclusives because they are better." That's just laughable you said that.

Doesn't matter what you have or haven't used, you said XBL was a better service. You can't deny whats there just because "you don't use it." XBL doesn't allow you to play those games, the 360 allows you to do that. XBL only allows you to play the MP aspect of the game which should be free. Since a majority of the games are P2P and XBL has no interaction what-so-ever over the online experience, it's a waste of money. "but while ps3 may b the same service for multiplatform games it still doesnt have the exclusives xbox 360 has." And the 360 doesn't have the same service for PS3 exclusives. That statement was a bit...useless as it almost makes no sense.

Halo's mapmaking possibilities are not infinite. From what I understand you're only allowed to create what Bungie gave you. You do not have the freedom the PC has.

Also the 360 does not have 7.1. It's limited to compressed 5.1 Dolby Digital and DTS which isn't as good as loseless codecs such as Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD, or uncompressed signals in general. The reason I mentioned the HDMI port was to prove I do have a 360 when you claimed I didn't. I'm not buying a new one just because Microsoft made a crappy console in the first place. My Wii and PS3 have been working since the day I got them. Why should I have to buy another console because Microsoft's engineers and quality testers are stupid? That's not my fault the first revision was utter crap. They should've replaced the broken/Red ringed ones with brand new slim versions.

I was referring to the OP at the end. It's not my fault you let other people judge what makes a game good or bad. What I find good in games is entirely my own opinion. I stopped caring what reviewers and critics said long ago after I realized how biased most reviewers are.

Oh, and you still can't seem to grasp the fact that quality is subjective. The games you listed he could find to be trash. That's his opinion though, it isn't a fact because there's no scale to grade the games off of. However you seem hell-bent on passing your opinion of the games as fact and have nothing backing that up except saying "they're better" over and over again.

[QUOTE="ihatecrysis"]

seriously you need to stop pulling the "im a mature adult" line its getting old and in no way makes you correct and thats something you should realise. and i wasnt talking about useless facebook and things like that i have never used. im saying even if the service was exactly the same it still allows me to play better exclusives which are better because games like halo allow for costum games, which has infinite mapmaking possiblites and the game creator is amazing. that was about the only game i play all of 2007 and 2008 because my friends always had a game going everytime i signed in. but while ps3 may b the same service for multiplatform games it still doesnt have the exclusives xbox 360 has. its like your completely ignoring i said that. and neither does my 360 have an hdmi port but im getting one that does and you can still buy a 250 gb hdd and xbox 360 does have 7.1 surround sound. and at the end of the day the reason xbox 360 is better is because of the games and the 60 bucks a year is worth playing them online becuase ps3 will never compare.

and i dont know who your talking about in that end part but i have a wii. and you just dont have taste for good games and thats your own problem

ChubbyGuy40

At least you finally put some kind of reasoning behind your arguments, however flawed they are. "which allow me to play better exclusives because they are better." That's just laughable you said that.

Doesn't matter what you have or haven't used, you said XBL was a better service. You can't deny whats there just because "you don't use it." XBL doesn't allow you to play those games, the 360 allows you to do that. XBL only allows you to play the MP aspect of the game which should be free. Since a majority of the games are P2P and XBL has no interaction what-so-ever over the online experience, it's a waste of money. "but while ps3 may b the same service for multiplatform games it still doesnt have the exclusives xbox 360 has." And the 360 doesn't have the same service for PS3 exclusives. That statement was a bit...useless as it almost makes no sense.

Halo's mapmaking possibilities are not infinite. From what I understand you're only allowed to create what Bungie gave you. You do not have the freedom the PC has.

Also the 360 does not have 7.1. It's limited to compressed 5.1 Dolby Digital and DTS which isn't as good as loseless codecs such as Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD, or uncompressed signals in general. The reason I mentioned the HDMI port was to prove I do have a 360 when you claimed I didn't. I'm not buying a new one just because Microsoft made a crappy console in the first place. My Wii and PS3 have been working since the day I got them. Why should I have to buy another console because Microsoft's engineers and quality testers are stupid? That's not my fault the first revision was utter crap. They should've replaced the broken/Red ringed ones with brand new slim versions.

I was referring to the OP at the end. It's not my fault you let other people judge what makes a game good or bad. What I find good in games is entirely my own opinion. I stopped caring what reviewers and critics said long ago after I realized how biased most reviewers are.

Oh, and you still can't seem to grasp the fact that quality is subjective. The games you listed he could find to be trash. That's his opinion though, it isn't a fact because there's no scale to grade the games off of. However you seem hell-bent on passing your opinion of the games as fact and have nothing backing that up except saying "they're better" over and over again.

i never said "allows me to play better exclusive becuase they are better" i said allows me to play better exclusives which are better because and then i said why.

and you basically just admitted you know nothing about halos forge so you have zero credibilty on that. and yes 360 does have 7.1 surround sound look it up. and 360 came out before ps3 so it didnt have hdmi it still had 720p and now it does have 1080p and once again i never said it's right for them to charge for xbox live but it doesn't change that fact that that's the only way to experience xbox 360's great exclusives online and thats why i said its the best. and i don't ever rely on review scores i was just saying that 360 has higher review scores and sales. but obviously i think games like crackdown deserved goty 2007 but instead it got mediocre reviews yet its still one of my favorites. and i prefer 360's exclusives and thus i prefer the 360 and i have an arcade with no hdmi port and they break constantly yet i still deal with it because for me nothing because xbox 360 for gaming which is why i got it not for movies.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="ihatecrysis"]

seriously you need to stop pulling the "im a mature adult" line its getting old and in no way makes you correct and thats something you should realise. and i wasnt talking about useless facebook and things like that i have never used. im saying even if the service was exactly the same it still allows me to play better exclusives which are better because games like halo allow for costum games, which has infinite mapmaking possiblites and the game creator is amazing. that was about the only game i play all of 2007 and 2008 because my friends always had a game going everytime i signed in. but while ps3 may b the same service for multiplatform games it still doesnt have the exclusives xbox 360 has. its like your completely ignoring i said that. and neither does my 360 have an hdmi port but im getting one that does and you can still buy a 250 gb hdd and xbox 360 does have 7.1 surround sound. and at the end of the day the reason xbox 360 is better is because of the games and the 60 bucks a year is worth playing them online becuase ps3 will never compare.

and i dont know who your talking about in that end part but i have a wii. and you just dont have taste for good games and thats your own problem

ihatecrysis

At least you finally put some kind of reasoning behind your arguments, however flawed they are. "which allow me to play better exclusives because they are better." That's just laughable you said that.

Doesn't matter what you have or haven't used, you said XBL was a better service. You can't deny whats there just because "you don't use it." XBL doesn't allow you to play those games, the 360 allows you to do that. XBL only allows you to play the MP aspect of the game which should be free. Since a majority of the games are P2P and XBL has no interaction what-so-ever over the online experience, it's a waste of money. "but while ps3 may b the same service for multiplatform games it still doesnt have the exclusives xbox 360 has." And the 360 doesn't have the same service for PS3 exclusives. That statement was a bit...useless as it almost makes no sense.

Halo's mapmaking possibilities are not infinite. From what I understand you're only allowed to create what Bungie gave you. You do not have the freedom the PC has.

Also the 360 does not have 7.1. It's limited to compressed 5.1 Dolby Digital and DTS which isn't as good as loseless codecs such as Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD, or uncompressed signals in general. The reason I mentioned the HDMI port was to prove I do have a 360 when you claimed I didn't. I'm not buying a new one just because Microsoft made a crappy console in the first place. My Wii and PS3 have been working since the day I got them. Why should I have to buy another console because Microsoft's engineers and quality testers are stupid? That's not my fault the first revision was utter crap. They should've replaced the broken/Red ringed ones with brand new slim versions.

I was referring to the OP at the end. It's not my fault you let other people judge what makes a game good or bad. What I find good in games is entirely my own opinion. I stopped caring what reviewers and critics said long ago after I realized how biased most reviewers are.

Oh, and you still can't seem to grasp the fact that quality is subjective. The games you listed he could find to be trash. That's his opinion though, it isn't a fact because there's no scale to grade the games off of. However you seem hell-bent on passing your opinion of the games as fact and have nothing backing that up except saying "they're better" over and over again.

i never said "allows me to play better exclusive becuase they are better" i said allows me to play better exclusives which are better because and then i said why.

and you basically just admitted you know nothing about halos forge so you have zero credibilty on that. and yes 360 does have 7.1 surround sound look it up. and 360 came out before ps3 so it didnt have hdmi it still had 720p and now it does have 1080p and once again i never said it's right for them to charge for xbox live but it doesn't change that fact that that's the only way to experience xbox 360's great exclusives online and thats why i said its the best. and i don't ever rely on review scores i was just saying that 360 has higher review scores and sales. but obviously i think games like crackdown deserved goty 2007 but instead it got mediocre reviews yet its still one of my favorites. and i prefer 360's exclusives and thus i prefer the 360 and i have an arcade with no hdmi port and they break constantly yet i still deal with it because for me nothing because xbox 360 for gaming which is why i got it not for movies.

I don't know anything about Halo's Forge. I just know it pales in comparison to what PC has and is very limited to what you can create. I could always load up Reach right now, but the 360 is being used to play FIFA 11.

And no the 360 cannot do 7.1. It only has support for compressed 5.1 DD and DTS. It had fake 7.1 for an experiment from DTS on Prototype but it's the same thing as the receiver taking the back channels and expanding them over another set of surround back speakers from a 5.1 source. In short it's nothing that hasn't been available for awhile. If it was able to do LPCM 7.1 I wouldn't be surprised, though loseless audio might be too large to fit on the DVDs.

How can XBL be best? Just because you get to play the 360's exclusives on it? That's poor reasoning on why it's better than PSN. I can't play Killzone 2 over XBL.

I got the PS3 for games and to finally make the switch to Blu-Rays. Definitely well worth it. Netflix doesn't offer good enough picture quality. Also the 360 constantly breaking isn't acceptable.

[QUOTE="ihatecrysis"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

At least you finally put some kind of reasoning behind your arguments, however flawed they are. "which allow me to play better exclusives because they are better." That's just laughable you said that.

Doesn't matter what you have or haven't used, you said XBL was a better service. You can't deny whats there just because "you don't use it." XBL doesn't allow you to play those games, the 360 allows you to do that. XBL only allows you to play the MP aspect of the game which should be free. Since a majority of the games are P2P and XBL has no interaction what-so-ever over the online experience, it's a waste of money. "but while ps3 may b the same service for multiplatform games it still doesnt have the exclusives xbox 360 has." And the 360 doesn't have the same service for PS3 exclusives. That statement was a bit...useless as it almost makes no sense.

Halo's mapmaking possibilities are not infinite. From what I understand you're only allowed to create what Bungie gave you. You do not have the freedom the PC has.

Also the 360 does not have 7.1. It's limited to compressed 5.1 Dolby Digital and DTS which isn't as good as loseless codecs such as Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD, or uncompressed signals in general. The reason I mentioned the HDMI port was to prove I do have a 360 when you claimed I didn't. I'm not buying a new one just because Microsoft made a crappy console in the first place. My Wii and PS3 have been working since the day I got them. Why should I have to buy another console because Microsoft's engineers and quality testers are stupid? That's not my fault the first revision was utter crap. They should've replaced the broken/Red ringed ones with brand new slim versions.

I was referring to the OP at the end. It's not my fault you let other people judge what makes a game good or bad. What I find good in games is entirely my own opinion. I stopped caring what reviewers and critics said long ago after I realized how biased most reviewers are.

Oh, and you still can't seem to grasp the fact that quality is subjective. The games you listed he could find to be trash. That's his opinion though, it isn't a fact because there's no scale to grade the games off of. However you seem hell-bent on passing your opinion of the games as fact and have nothing backing that up except saying "they're better" over and over again.

ChubbyGuy40

i never said "allows me to play better exclusive becuase they are better" i said allows me to play better exclusives which are better because and then i said why.

and you basically just admitted you know nothing about halos forge so you have zero credibilty on that. and yes 360 does have 7.1 surround sound look it up. and 360 came out before ps3 so it didnt have hdmi it still had 720p and now it does have 1080p and once again i never said it's right for them to charge for xbox live but it doesn't change that fact that that's the only way to experience xbox 360's great exclusives online and thats why i said its the best. and i don't ever rely on review scores i was just saying that 360 has higher review scores and sales. but obviously i think games like crackdown deserved goty 2007 but instead it got mediocre reviews yet its still one of my favorites. and i prefer 360's exclusives and thus i prefer the 360 and i have an arcade with no hdmi port and they break constantly yet i still deal with it because for me nothing because xbox 360 for gaming which is why i got it not for movies.

I don't know anything about Halo's Forge. I just know it pales in comparison to what PC has and is very limited to what you can create. I could always load up Reach right now, but the 360 is being used to play FIFA 11.

And no the 360 cannot do 7.1. It only has support for compressed 5.1 DD and DTS. It had fake 7.1 for an experiment from DTS on Prototype but it's the same thing as the receiver taking the back channels and expanding them over another set of surround back speakers from a 5.1 source. In short it's nothing that hasn't been available for awhile. If it was able to do LPCM 7.1 I wouldn't be surprised, though loseless audio might be too large to fit on the DVDs.

How can XBL be best? Just because you get to play the 360's exclusives on it? That's poor reasoning on why it's better than PSN. I can't play Killzone 2 over XBL.

I got the PS3 for games and to finally make the switch to Blu-Rays. Definitely well worth it. Netflix doesn't offer good enough picture quality. Also the 360 constantly breaking isn't acceptable.

i cant play killzone 2 over xbl just like i can't play halo reach on psn. difference is halo reach is better BECAUSE it has forge and custom games, better gameplay, and way more options. and i prefer halo 3 to halo reach. and you shouldn't boot up halo reach for forge. halo 3 has more than 5 times the amoun of objects. and in both games you can put objects inside eachother. so its a ghetto way of making any objects you want. and in halo 3 some objects have physics and some dont so you can use physics to create levels that are insane. and you can set objects to spawn at different times so one second you could be in an empty room and then all of a sudden objects start appearng. and you can place spawns and create your own gametypes and custom powerups which can do insane things. you can make it so when you pick up a bomb you get overshields turn invisible, or even semi invisible and can jump 50 ft in the air. its insane and since you can make insane gametypes you can work them into how the map and gametypes go. like theres alevel where the zombie player is stuck shooting a warthog and the human players are shot from man cannons and the zombie has to shoot as many as possible. and the ones they miss die and they dont get points. you can even have a level where the zombie uses the gravity hammer and sword to go on man cannons and knock human players off a platform he cant reach. and thats nothing. not even an ounce of what is possible. sorry i kinda got off topic there but peole dont seem to realise how mindblowing halo 3 is. moreso than halo reach. so yeah those are just a few of the reasons i prefer xbox 360 and find xbl worth it because otherwise it would be really annoying bringing people over everyday to play custom games. but yeah once you experience quality halo3 custom games theres no going back. sadly i deleted alot of my friends so now its hard to find custom games now. i dont play halo for going guncrazy or explosions i play it for custom games. and yes 360 has 7.1 surround sound

Smells like trolling to me... If you really have a rig like that it should be super obvious... No its not worth it...vistamanV5

now sir would like a screenshot of my gaming room with my sname written on the system??? keep your attitude to yourself and let the grown ups talk.

Smells like trolling to me... If you really have a rig like that it should be super obvious... No its not worth it...vistamanV5

Edit: Actually wait, that's not true. The best PC rig in the world would be able to play it, if you had an Origin Big O Custom Gaming PC with built-in liquid cooled Xbox 360. [link]

Depends. You would want to buy a 360 with an HDD, how much is that? 300 bucks? You'll have to get a live unless you're playing these games offline(but then what's the point? It'll be like 30 hours of gameplay total). So that's another 60 bucks, unless you can find a deal somewhere. then you have to buy the games, unless you rent them, but then why even buy the 360 for renting 3 games? So let's say all of them are 30 dollars used.

That makes it 450 dollars to play 3 games. Well, it's your call.

Are you actually asking this on system wars?

The real question is do you have enough time to play on 3rd console with all the great games coming on PS3 and PC? If you didn't have a PS3 I would say yes 360 is worth it but with PS3/PC combo I think adding a 360 to them will be an over kill you won't have enough time to play all the games on the 3 systems.

So guy, im mainly a PC gamer (80-90%) and i aslo have a PS3 with all the exclusives and console exclusives, i played the first Gears Of War on my PC but i kindda wanna play the 2nd and the 3rd game and also Alan Wake looks sorta interesting, so at this point is is worth investing in a new XBOX for those games?

Siamak8286

Do you have any interest for anything else outside those three games you mentioned? What other kind of games or genres do you like? People will say it's not worth it for just 3 games and I understand that argument. Me personally I'd go for it. But that's me. If I see something I like I'm buying it end of story.

Also I'm not sure what kind of games you like but you will find some awesome fun Xbox Live Arcade games that you can't play anywhere else. For example: Limbo, Trials HD, Hydro Thunder Hurricane, Shadow Complex, The Dishwasher: Dead Samurai, Splosion Man, Comic Jumper, and some others I know I'm probably forgetting. There are more to come in the future but too lazy to look them up. No joke sometimes I find myself playing these games more than the usual high budget retail game such as Call of Duty. In the end it's up to you and what kind of games you like but again i would say go for it.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="ihatecrysis"]

i never said "allows me to play better exclusive becuase they are better" i said allows me to play better exclusives which are better because and then i said why.

and you basically just admitted you know nothing about halos forge so you have zero credibilty on that. and yes 360 does have 7.1 surround sound look it up. and 360 came out before ps3 so it didnt have hdmi it still had 720p and now it does have 1080p and once again i never said it's right for them to charge for xbox live but it doesn't change that fact that that's the only way to experience xbox 360's great exclusives online and thats why i said its the best. and i don't ever rely on review scores i was just saying that 360 has higher review scores and sales. but obviously i think games like crackdown deserved goty 2007 but instead it got mediocre reviews yet its still one of my favorites. and i prefer 360's exclusives and thus i prefer the 360 and i have an arcade with no hdmi port and they break constantly yet i still deal with it because for me nothing because xbox 360 for gaming which is why i got it not for movies.

I don't know anything about Halo's Forge. I just know it pales in comparison to what PC has and is very limited to what you can create. I could always load up Reach right now, but the 360 is being used to play FIFA 11.

And no the 360 cannot do 7.1. It only has support for compressed 5.1 DD and DTS. It had fake 7.1 for an experiment from DTS on Prototype but it's the same thing as the receiver taking the back channels and expanding them over another set of surround back speakers from a 5.1 source. In short it's nothing that hasn't been available for awhile. If it was able to do LPCM 7.1 I wouldn't be surprised, though loseless audio might be too large to fit on the DVDs.

How can XBL be best? Just because you get to play the 360's exclusives on it? That's poor reasoning on why it's better than PSN. I can't play Killzone 2 over XBL.

I got the PS3 for games and to finally make the switch to Blu-Rays. Definitely well worth it. Netflix doesn't offer good enough picture quality. Also the 360 constantly breaking isn't acceptable.

i cant play killzone 2 over xbl just like i can't play halo reach on psn. difference is halo reach is better BECAUSE it has forge and custom games, better gameplay, and way more options. and i prefer halo 3 to halo reach. and you shouldn't boot up halo reach for forge. halo 3 has more than 5 times the amoun of objects. and in both games you can put objects inside eachother. so its a ghetto way of making any objects you want. and in halo 3 some objects have physics and some dont so you can use physics to create levels that are insane. and you can set objects to spawn at different times so one second you could be in an empty room and then all of a sudden objects start appearng. and you can place spawns and create your own gametypes and custom powerups which can do insane things. you can make it so when you pick up a bomb you get overshields turn invisible, or even semi invisible and can jump 50 ft in the air. its insane and since you can make insane gametypes you can work them into how the map and gametypes go. like theres alevel where the zombie player is stuck shooting a warthog and the human players are shot from man cannons and the zombie has to shoot as many as possible. and the ones they miss die and they dont get points. you can even have a level where the zombie uses the gravity hammer and sword to go on man cannons and knock human players off a platform he cant reach. and thats nothing. not even an ounce of what is possible. sorry i kinda got off topic there but peole dont seem to realise how mindblowing halo 3 is. moreso than halo reach. so yeah those are just a few of the reasons i prefer xbox 360 and find xbl worth it because otherwise it would be really annoying bringing people over everyday to play custom games. but yeah once you experience quality halo3 custom games theres no going back. sadly i deleted alot of my friends so now its hard to find custom games now. i dont play halo for going guncrazy or explosions i play it for custom games. and yes 360 has 7.1 surround sound

[QUOTE="ihatecrysis"]

:lol:. Ps3 offers much more value, as it packs a larger HDD, Blu-Ray, free online, etc offering much more than 360, which makes you pay 60 $ a year for Xbox live. BTW, PS3 offers the best exclusives easily, especially when you check MetaCritic. BTW, what games does 360 have releasing anyways? :lol:Anastasia1997

so in other words if you just buy a ps3 and just buy a 360 and never buy a single game sony gives you more right out of the box even though you can still buy i bigger hdd on 360 later and xbox live is superior. ps3 is for poor people but if you have money to afford xbox live and the bigger hdd and the superior games such as halo gears crackdown perfect dark zero pgr4 forza 3 and so on 360 is far superior and much more worth your money

[QUOTE="ihatecrysis"]

so in other words if you just buy a ps3 and just buy a 360 and never buy a single game sony gives you more right out of the box even though you can still buy i bigger hdd on 360 later and xbox live is superior. ps3 is for poor people but if you have money to afford xbox live and the bigger hdd and the superior games such as halo gears crackdown perfect dark zero pgr4 forza 3 and so on 360 is far superior and much more worth your money

those kinect game announced at TGS all can be played on the traditional controller.... so its not 2, its Gears 3, Forza 4, Steel battalion, Haunt, Project d, Project Draco, rise of nightmares. 7 games. so.... yeah its not too bad an investment. reply to the PM I sent you.mayceV

The can? Are you sure? I thought they were kinect exclusive.

I think 360 is the best nby a million miles in 2011

Here is what i plan to buy in 2011 meself

Xbox 360

Witcher 2
Codename Kingdoms
Project Draco
Mass Effect 3
Elder Scrolls 5
Project Dark
Dust Elysian Tale
Kingdoms of Amalour
Dungeon Siege 3
Catherine
X-Com
Haunt
Rise of NIghtmares
Steel Batalion
Forza 4
Star Wars
Codename D
Gears of war 3
Bioshock Infinite
Owlboy
Grey Matter
Majesty 2
Divinity 2 Dragon Saga
Trine 2
The First Templar
Risen 2
Two Worlds 2
HYBRID
Battle Block Thater
Twisted Shadow Planet
Fable 4 (maybe)
Feelplus "large scale RPG"
Halo 4
Alan Wake 2
Rare new game
Kinect Gears game in the works
Metal Gear Solid: Rising
LA Noire
Kingdom Under Fire 2
Sacred 3
Stalker 2
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes
Hunted: The Demon's Forge
Rage
Dragon Age 2
Shadows of the Damned
Bastion
The Cursed Crusade (Atlus)
Crysis 2
Dirt 3
Portal 2
Duke Nukem Forever

Wii

Zelda SS
Last Story

PS3

Ni no Kuni
Last Guardian
Sorcery
The Journey

So, definatly go for xbox 360, has by miles the most games (and the best version of multipltforms)

[QUOTE="mayceV"]those kinect game announced at TGS all can be played on the traditional controller.... so its not 2, its Gears 3, Forza 4, Steel battalion, Haunt, Project d, Project Draco, rise of nightmares. 7 games. so.... yeah its not too bad an investment. reply to the PM I sent you.waltefmoney

The can? Are you sure? I thought they were kinect exclusive.

I think 360 is the best nby a million miles in 2011

Here is what i plan to buy in 2011 meself

Xbox 360

Witcher 2
Codename Kingdoms
Project Draco
Mass Effect 3
Elder Scrolls 5
Project Dark
Dust Elysian Tale
Kingdoms of Amalour
Dungeon Siege 3
Catherine
X-Com
Haunt
Rise of NIghtmares
Steel Batalion
Forza 4
Star Wars
Codename D
Gears of war 3
Bioshock Infinite
Owlboy
Grey Matter
Majesty 2
Divinity 2 Dragon Saga
Trine 2
The First Templar
Risen 2
Two Worlds 2
HYBRID
Battle Block Thater
Twisted Shadow Planet
Fable 4 (maybe)
Feelplus "large scale RPG"
Halo 4
Alan Wake 2
Rare new game
Kinect Gears game in the works
Metal Gear Solid: Rising
LA Noire
Kingdom Under Fire 2
Sacred 3
Stalker 2
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes
Hunted: The Demon's Forge
Rage
Dragon Age 2
Shadows of the Damned
Bastion
The Cursed Crusade (Atlus)
Crysis 2
Dirt 3
Portal 2
Duke Nukem Forever

Wii

Zelda SS
Last Story

PS3

Ni no Kuni
Last Guardian
Sorcery
The Journey

So, definatly go for xbox 360, has by miles the most games (and the best version of multipltforms)

SacredMG

You shouldn't really make up games, also less then half of the games you listed will even be released for 2011 and another 1/4 are vaporware.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

The can? Are you sure? I thought they were kinect exclusive.

mayceV

Woah, you're right. It could be just a mistake though. But it would be awesome if I could play the new Panzer Dragoon without Kinect.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="mayceV"]those kinect game announced at TGS all can be played on the traditional controller.... so its not 2, its Gears 3, Forza 4, Steel battalion, Haunt, Project d, Project Draco, rise of nightmares. 7 games. so.... yeah its not too bad an investment. reply to the PM I sent you.mayceV

The can? Are you sure? I thought they were kinect exclusive.

RISE OF NIGHTMARES™ REVEALED FOR A 2011 RELEASE ON KINECT™ FOR XBOX 360®

LONDON & SAN FRANCISCO (16th September, 2010) – SEGA Europe Ltd. and SEGA of America Inc today announced that Rise of Nightmares will be released globally in 2011 exclusively on Kinect for Xbox 360.

Rise of Nightmares offers a spine-tingling horror experience which uses the innovative new controls of Kinect to give players new encounters filled with fearful anticipation and terror. Using their whole body the player will experience fear and tension as never before in this first person horror adventure.

Rise of Nightmares will be available on Kinect for Xbox 360 in 2011. For more information about Rise of Nightmares, please go to www.riseofnightmares.com

Steel Battalion: http://www.capcom.co.jp/jutekki/ Google translate - Kinect only.

Also I just realised that "Project Draco" is apparently an XBLA game, not a retail title.

[QUOTE="mayceV"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

The can? Are you sure? I thought they were kinect exclusive.

Woah, you're right. It could be just a mistake though. But it would be awesome if I could play the new Panzer Dragoon without Kinect.

[QUOTE="mayceV"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

The can? Are you sure? I thought they were kinect exclusive.

RISE OF NIGHTMARES™ REVEALED FOR A 2011 RELEASE ON KINECT™ FOR XBOX 360®

LONDON & SAN FRANCISCO (16th September, 2010) – SEGA Europe Ltd. and SEGA of America Inc today announced that Rise of Nightmares will be released globally in 2011 exclusively on Kinect for Xbox 360.

Rise of Nightmares offers a spine-tingling horror experience which uses the innovative new controls of Kinect to give players new encounters filled with fearful anticipation and terror. Using their whole body the player will experience fear and tension as never before in this first person horror adventure.

Rise of Nightmares will be available on Kinect for Xbox 360 in 2011. For more information about Rise of Nightmares, please go to www.riseofnightmares.com

Steel Battalion: http://www.capcom.co.jp/jutekki/ Google translate - Kinect only.

Also I just realised that "Project Draco" is apparently an XBLA game, not a retail title.

Okay... now I'm confused.

I had assumed those Kinect games announced at TGS were retail titles, simply because of how they were announced. :/

I'm now finding that Codename: D is apparently also an XBLA downloadable title?

As is Haunt?

:?

Okay... now I'm confused.

I had assumed those Kinect games announced at TGS were retail titles, simply because of how they were announced. :/

I'm now finding that Codename: D is apparently also an XBLA downloadable title?

As is Haunt?

:?

They're Kinect only.

RISE OF NIGHTMARES™ REVEALED FOR A 2011 RELEASE ON KINECT™ FOR XBOX 360®

LONDON & SAN FRANCISCO (16th September, 2010) – SEGA Europe Ltd. and SEGA of America Inc today announced that Rise of Nightmares will be released globally in 2011 exclusively on Kinect for Xbox 360.

Rise of Nightmares offers a spine-tingling horror experience which uses the innovative new controls of Kinect to give players new encounters filled with fearful anticipation and terror. Using their whole body the player will experience fear and tension as never before in this first person horror adventure.

Rise of Nightmares will be available on Kinect for Xbox 360 in 2011. For more information about Rise of Nightmares, please go to www.riseofnightmares.com

Steel Battalion: http://www.capcom.co.jp/jutekki/ Google translate - Kinect only.

Also I just realised that "Project Draco" is apparently an XBLA game, not a retail title.

shinrabanshou

Just watched the trailer for Project Draco. It is Kinect exclusive, unfortunately. And also from the comments "I laughed at how there was only silence at the conclusion of the video...followed by a cough."

yup but itsonly those 2 apparently. hey atleast we'll know 360 will have the best arcade game of 2011 just like every year.mayceV

Which one?

[QUOTE="mayceV"]yup but itsonly those 2 apparently. hey atleast we'll know 360 will have the best arcade game of 2011 just like every year.waltefmoney

Which one?

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="mayceV"]yup but itsonly those 2 apparently. hey atleast we'll know 360 will have the best arcade game of 2011 just like every year.shinrabanshou

Which one?

I meant which will be the best arcade game of 2011.

Do you like stuff like Halo, Gears of War, Forza, Fable, ect? if so, then the answer is yes. Xbox Live is also a great reason to keep your Xbox.

If you have a PC and PS3 you're set. A 360 is very redundant with those 2 and lackluster in exclusives.kuraimen

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Which one?

I meant which will be the best arcade game of 2011.

yea as i mentioned its probly gonna be 3 to 4 games at most 6 games im interested since most of the 2011 lineup on 360 is kinect and multiplats and i have no interest in motion controlls and i'll be playing all my multiplats on my rig.