Is John Marston and Red Dead Redemption the best Rockstar has ever created?

I have been following all of Rockstar's games and to this day Red Dead Redemption is my favorite game they have made. Not only that, they have created an outstanding character. John Marston is Rockstar's best protagonist they have ever created IMHO. Tommy Vercetti coming in at 2nd. I can't wait to see what Rockstar has planned for Agent and Red Dead Revolution. :D

Apparently not, since you can't spell his name correctly.

But seriously, I liked him. But Niko still takes the cake for me.

I haven't played the game, but it would be hard to beat Tommy Vercetti, though Ray Liotta is the main reason he was so damn awesome. I also think Niko is pretty damn awesome

He seems like a pretty cool guySkittles_McGee

:lol:

As for the topic? John Marston would be my favorite character from a R* game... at least from any I can think of quickly.

Their games started going down-hill after Vice City.

GTA San Andreas.

Niko for characters.

Their games started going down-hill after Vice City.

foxhound_fox

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Their games started going down-hill after Vice City.

millerlight89

Opinions, opinions, where art thou opinions?

Anyway, certainly not true. Maybe they are trying new things. They captured the Western Era almost flawlessly with RDR. Let's see how they do with Agent.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Their games started going down-hill after Vice City.

Blazerdt47

Opinions, opinions, where art thou opinions?

Anyway, certainly not true. Maybe they are trying new things. They captured the Western Era almost flawlessly with RDR. Let's see how they do with Agent.

That could not be any further from the truth. millerlight89

I'm gangsta!

Their games started going down-hill after Vice City.

foxhound_fox

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[QUOTE="millerlight89"] That could not be any further from the truth. millerlight89

Opinions, opinions, where art thou opinions?

Anyway, certainly not true. Maybe they are trying new things. They captured the Western Era almost flawlessly with RDR. Let's see how they do with Agent.

I said they are trying new things. I never said agreed and said they were going downhill. :roll:

John marston is too blank of a slate, I thought Niko was a better character (even though he'd occasionally do things that didn't fit well).

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Their games started going down-hill after Vice City.

millerlight89

They captured the Western Era almost flawlessly with RDR. Let's see how they do with Agent.

Blazerdt47

Red Dead was a waste.

They had all the elements in place for a great game, but nearly all of the missions were bloody awful; boring, repetitive, etc. As with GTA4, the core gameplay and design is mostly acceptable for an open world game, but the mission design and game structure is painful and overbearing.

Rockstar fills their games with so much ****ing filler that it ends up being a depressing chore just getting through them.

How about Red Dead Restraint next time, you loose boweled sons of *******...

Red Dead was a waste.

They had all the elements in place for a great game, but nearly all of the missions were bloody awful; boring, repetitive, etc. As with GTA4, the core gameplay and design is mostly acceptable for an open world game, but the mission design and game structure is painful and overbearing.

Rockstar fills their games with so much ****ing filler that it ends up being a depressing chore just getting through them. How about Red Dead Restraint next time, you loose boweled sons of *******

jethrovegas

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] That could not be any further from the truth. foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]They captured the Western Era almost flawlessly with RDR. Let's see how they do with Agent.

foxhound_fox

You want realistic? Play Call of Duty. :P

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Red Dead was a waste.

They had all the elements in place for a great game, but nearly all of the missions were bloody awful; boring, repetitive, etc. As with GTA4, the core gameplay and design is mostly acceptable for an open world game, but the mission design and game structure is painful and overbearing.

Rockstar fills their games with so much ****ing filler that it ends up being a depressing chore just getting through them. How about Red Dead Restraint next time, you loose boweled sons of *******

deangallop

So there was never a point in the game where you said to yourself "oh great, more of this ****"? I had quite a few moments like that, personally.

I mean, I see your point about fans whining about the length, but come on, after so many games you'd think they would have learned how to inject some decent variety, or somehow cut down on the bull **** factor by a little bit.

I think most people would prefer a somewhat shorter game with good content all throughout over this sprawling, overly-ambitious sort of filler-packed slog that has become the signature 'Super Awsum Open World Game™'.

Also, for the record, the core gameplay in RDR is pretty good, and so is the presentation; the problem for me is what they built on that foundation, ie, an almost endless tower of filler and pointless slogging.

ViceCity had the dullest story out of all the recent GTA games. GTA4 tops them all overall though with its lengthy, deep story connection (L&D, GTA4, Gay Tony).

Fuhgeddabouditt

no, it's GTA 3.

People seemed to abandon the topic about protagonists and went right to comparing games or lamenting about how everything was better back "in the before times". How predictable :P

People seemed to abandon the topic about protagonists and went right to comparing games or lamenting about how everything was better back "in the before times". How predictable :P

santoron

It wasn't entirely about the protagonists considering there's a "and Red Dead Redemption" part on the title.

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People seemed to abandon the topic about protagonists and went right to comparing games or lamenting about how everything was better back "in the before times". How predictable :P

GreenGoblin2099

It wasn't entirely about the protagonists considering there's a "and Red Dead Redemption" part on the title.

:oops: So there is. I r pwned. :P I'll modify my initial response.

I think Marston is is the best protagonist of any Rockstar game I've played. I think RDR is one of the better R* games I've played, in the same class of personal favorites like :VC or :SA, but I'm not sure it'd get ranked ahead of either. I would put it ahead of GTAIV, though I really liked IV too.

No. Tommy Vercetti and GTA Vice City is the best rockstar has ever created, easily.

That's a tough question to answer, since R* has so many great games under their belt. In terms of story, I would say RDR is their masterpiece. In terms of overall game... I just can't answer that.

My favorite character from Rockstar is Vic Vance form Vice City Stories.

My favorite game from Rockstar is Red Dead Redemption.

For people complaining about "filler" missions in RDR, it's a sandbox game. They all have tedious missions to complete. They are annoying to some but they are what the sandbox genre is based upon to make the game longer. I don't find them annoying and most the missions(hunting, treasure hunting, etc.) I find cool and make sense within the world they created. My problems with GTA IV(pidgeon hunting, multiplayer lobby, lack of co-op missions) they fixed with RDR which is why it's my #1 of all-time.

Their games started going down-hill after Vice City.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"]ViceCity had the dullest story out of all the recent GTA games. GTA4 tops them all overall though with its lengthy, deep story connection (L&D, GTA4, Gay Tony).

foxhound_fox

VC story was stolen from Scarface. And done poorly. VC had an amazing setting, but it's story is crap. Always was. People just like crazy Tommy.

in a word... Yes. No rockstar game has ever achieved the type of polish, development and pure out entertainment as RDR. its their crowning achievment IMO. Vice city is second.

Obviously Brucie.

GTA San Andreas.

Niko for characters.

HavocV3

Tommy Vercetti says hi

Jack is the best imo. WORK YA DAMN NAG!

I think so

Its a great game, definitely the most immersive and realized made by them yet, and this is after GTA IV where small time civvies followed full day schedules and the world changed all over as you went through it.

Personally I think GTA III will never be forgotten as the jump into mature open world games, its the most revolutionary game ever made. Kind of surprising, if you told me before that the PS2 would house the most innovative game of all time I would have asked you where you got your stuff and how strong it is :lol:

Of course I always expected Nintendo or PC to be home to something that great before 2001.