Is MadWorld M-H-W? (Massive Hype Worthy)

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#51 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="rolo107"]

[QUOTE="yellowandmushy"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.rgame1

Fail.

WII FANBOY IS CONFIRMED! I remember you whining about games need more color, etc. You used that whine to flame games on other consoles, when this game is even less colorful, and you say fail. I LOL @ U.

no but other games like killzone are meant to be realistic yet they lack the colours of the real world. madworld is purposfully given a black and white look.

KZ is not meant to be realistic in the least. You are confusing hyper realism with realism. Realism is Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. Hyper realism is burnout paradise Realism is call of duty 4. Hyper realism is Killzone.

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#52 deactivated-5967f36c08c33
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I'm looking forward to it.It appears to have a No More Heroes-esque sense of styIe,which is a plus for me.I hope the gameplay is just as great.
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#53 samusarmada
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And people say killzone 2 lacks color....yet they think it's cool on this game?dackchaar

There's a difference between the use of a monotone pallete for a game that uses it for purely stylistic reasons than one that uses it to play safe through a realistic and generic war-torn setting.

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#54 lancea34
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Here's the Trailer with some gameplay footage.
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#55 locopatho
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Clover! Also a Sin Cityish, No More Heroes feeling from it. I have high hopes.
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#56 helium_flash
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They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.DisPimpin
Since when did NMH sell poorly?

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#57 Tony-Harrison
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I think it's the next "no more heroes" on the "so weird its cool" meter. I am optomistic about it so lets hope gameplay vids can live up to the stills. Bread_or_Decide

Hehe. :P

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#58 DisPimpin
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[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.helium_flash

Since when did NMH sell poorly?

Since the day it was released. The game came out in January and is at 330,000 shipped. :|
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They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.DisPimpin
no more heroes didnt flop. the game sold pretty well, being it wasnt advertised like most ps360 games that sold. lets see ps360 games selling as good, with out advertisement like no more heroes.
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#60 Rahnyc4
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[QUOTE="helium_flash"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.DisPimpin

Since when did NMH sell poorly?

Since the day it was released. The game came out in January and is at 330,000 shipped. :|

with no advertisement to help its sales.
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#61 heretrix
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If you want to talk about immature violence, there you go. It looks like a game that they would show on the Simpsons.It looks like it's got as much depth as Manhunt 2.
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#62 Willy105
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You dont even need a colored TV for this...ProductNumber49

Just like most next-gen games.

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#63 Willy105
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The game is too violent. Not hype worthy.
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#64 helium_flash
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[QUOTE="helium_flash"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.DisPimpin

Since when did NMH sell poorly?

Since the day it was released. The game came out in January and is at 330,000 shipped. :|

That was in March/April... :|

And it wasn't released in Europe yet.

It probably has reached 500k by now.

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#65 yellowandmushy
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The game is too violent. Not hype worthy.Willy105
Your crusade against violent games is terrible Willy. I'm sorry, but it is.
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#66 lancea34
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[QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.helium_flash

Since when did NMH sell poorly?

Since the day it was released. The game came out in January and is at 330,000 shipped. :|

That was in March/April... :|

And it wasn't released in Europe yet.

It probably has reached 500k by now.

No it isn't yet. According to VGChartz, it's still at 330.000 copies shipped. I think it's gonna sell 500k by the end of 2008.

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#67 yellowandmushy
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If you want to talk about immature violence, there you go. It looks like a game that they would show on the Simpsons.It looks like it's got as much depth as Manhunt 2.heretrix
It is being made by a top quality developer. It will kick ass.
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#68 Willy105
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[QUOTE="Willy105"]The game is too violent. Not hype worthy.yellowandmushy
Your crusade against violent games is terrible Willy. I'm sorry, but it is.

Someone has to do it.
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#69 redCloudJ7
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Its being made by platinum (aka clover studios) who made Viewtiful Joe, Godhand, and Okami.

I'm hoping MadWorld's combat system is closer to Viewtiful Joe and Godhand's combat system. Because Okami's combat is one of the weakest parts of the game.

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#70 yellowandmushy
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[QUOTE="yellowandmushy"][QUOTE="Willy105"]The game is too violent. Not hype worthy.Willy105
Your crusade against violent games is terrible Willy. I'm sorry, but it is.

Someone has to do it.

So anways, see Wall-E yet?
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#71 EVOLV3
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I dont see it selling alot, but I see it scoring AAA.
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#72 thrones
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So.. what genre is it?
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#73 yellowandmushy
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So.. what genre is it?thrones
It'll probably be a beat-em-up game like God Hand.
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#74 Willy105
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[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="yellowandmushy"][QUOTE="Willy105"]The game is too violent. Not hype worthy.yellowandmushy
Your crusade against violent games is terrible Willy. I'm sorry, but it is.

Someone has to do it.

So anways, see Wall-E yet?

No, not yet. But I want to. I heard it was fantastic.

By the way, this is off topic!

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#75 redCloudJ7
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So.. what genre is it?thrones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MadWorld

Action.

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#76 RuprechtMonkey
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I'd need to see way more from it before any guess can be made.

The developers pedigree is encouraging though.

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#77 lettuceman44
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[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="yellowandmushy"][QUOTE="Willy105"]The game is too violent. Not hype worthy.yellowandmushy
Your crusade against violent games is terrible Willy. I'm sorry, but it is.

Someone has to do it.

So anways, see Wall-E yet?

I have. And it wasn't bad.

I won't be surprised if people call me kiddy now :P

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#78 ff7isnumbaone
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They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.DisPimpin

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[QUOTE="heretrix"]If you want to talk about immature violence, there you go. It looks like a game that they would show on the Simpsons.It looks like it's got as much depth as Manhunt 2.yellowandmushy
It is being made by a top quality developer. It will kick ass.

People thought that about Godhand.
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#80 Phenom316
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This game dosent stand a round with any Xbox 360 Shooters if were talking about consoles
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#81 redCloudJ7
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[QUOTE="yellowandmushy"] It is being made by a top quality developer. It will kick ass.heretrix
People thought that about Godhand.

Godhand's combat system is top notch. It has good animation. Its graphics (specifically the enviornment) however were horribly horribly unpolished. Serious clipping issues (like seeing through walls).

Camera's not perfect. Although there is a radar that pinpoints the location of enemies in your vicinity. No in game tutorial to explain all the techniques. The game is very hard. Which is a turnoff to some people.

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#82 Bread_or_Decide
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If you want to talk about immature violence, there you go. It looks like a game that they would show on the Simpsons.It looks like it's got as much depth as Manhunt 2.heretrix

The devs are too smart to go down that route. More info needs to be revealed.

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#83 ineedmoney555
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not sure massive hype worthy but definately hype worthy. with the fresh story line, mature look and highly visualsed stlye i can see how this could be the next no more heroes. but this time itll have a much higher budget. No more heroes wasnt so no it had little marketing backing. however despite the low budget it was still Grasshoppers highest selling game. the PAL publishers remark on sales was:

"We are weeping with delight. Especially as sales should improve further with the TV campaign moving up a gear from tonight. It is a verification of all the posturing and ambitious claims made these past months. I think a 'told you so' would be apt at some point. Thanks to Nintendo and the Wii console. Thanks to Mastertronic for their sales efforts and all our retail partners. Most of all thanks to Grasshopper for the greatest of products"

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[QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.Rahnyc4

Since when did NMH sell poorly?

Since the day it was released. The game came out in January and is at 330,000 shipped. :|

with no advertisement to help its sales.

Worldwide sales of NMH has broken 600K already, fully good enough for a sequal, even Suda 51 said so himself. So bad sales? Only in the minds of cows and lemmings desparatly want Wii to fail!

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#85 bc1391
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[QUOTE="helium_flash"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.DisPimpin

Since when did NMH sell poorly?

Since the day it was released. The game came out in January and is at 330,000 shipped. :|

Suda 51 is aiming at 500,000 titles sold. No More Heroes is already his best selling game.
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#86 yellowandmushy
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[QUOTE="yellowandmushy"][QUOTE="heretrix"]If you want to talk about immature violence, there you go. It looks like a game that they would show on the Simpsons.It looks like it's got as much depth as Manhunt 2.heretrix
It is being made by a top quality developer. It will kick ass.

People thought that about Godhand.

Godhand was just that, godly. :|
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#87 DisPimpin
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[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.StryderK

Since when did NMH sell poorly?

Since the day it was released. The game came out in January and is at 330,000 shipped. :|

with no advertisement to help its sales.

Worldwide sales of NMH has broken 600K already, fully good enough for a sequal, even Suda 51 said so himself. So bad sales? Only in the minds of cows and lemmings desparatly want Wii to fail!

Do you have a link to back up your numbers, because I do. :|
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#88 hamstergeddon
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You dont even need a colored TV for this...ProductNumber49


But then the blood would look just like chocolate syrup :o (Waiting to see if anyone gets this)
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#89 StryderK
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[QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.DisPimpin

Since when did NMH sell poorly?

Since the day it was released. The game came out in January and is at 330,000 shipped. :|

with no advertisement to help its sales.

Worldwide sales of NMH has broken 600K already, fully good enough for a sequal, even Suda 51 said so himself. So bad sales? Only in the minds of cows and lemmings desparatly want Wii to fail!

Do you have a link to back up your numbers, because I do. :|

Check the date on your link.....If it says anywhere in March or April......Throw the numbers out! I'm talking about worldwide here, not just in the U.S.......It's like some of the Cows and Lemmings in here saying the the Wii's attach ratio is still a 3........When those numbers are like from early 2007! (Current ratio as of April is 5.3 in the U.S. and 6 world-wide). And besides, it isn't me saying that NMH sales are around 500-600K, there been quite a few people that's saying the same!

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#90 DisPimpin
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[QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.StryderK

Since when did NMH sell poorly?

Since the day it was released. The game came out in January and is at 330,000 shipped. :|

with no advertisement to help its sales.

Worldwide sales of NMH has broken 600K already, fully good enough for a sequal, even Suda 51 said so himself. So bad sales? Only in the minds of cows and lemmings desparatly want Wii to fail!

Do you have a link to back up your numbers, because I do. :|

Check the date on your link.....If it says anywhere in March or April......Throw the numbers out! I'm talking about worldwide here, not just in the U.S.......It's like some of the Cows and Lemmings in here saying the the Wii's attach ratio is still a 3........When those numbers are like from early 2007! (Current ratio as of April is 5.3 in the U.S. and 6 world-wide). And besides, it isn't me saying that NMH sales are around 500-600K, there been quite a few people that's saying the same!

So you don't have a link to support your argument. Just keep telling yourself that NMH sold 500,000 if it helps you sleep at night. :|
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#91 goblaa
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This game dosent stand a round with any Xbox 360 Shooters if were talking about consolesPhenom316

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#92 demontium
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[QUOTE="nick31189"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.Samurai_Xavier

Rolfmao. Go F*** ur self. U dont know what people want

Well, sheep usually say that games with blood and guns are for kids who want to pretend to be adults.

Wrong. He is using a terrible example. You cant say NMH is proof that bloody games cant sell on the Wii. It was a total niche/weird game with zero marketing. That would have been doomed to failure even more so on the PS3.

If Mad World gets proper marketing (it wont) then we can talk. Until then try and understand the difference bewteen bloody and mature.

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#93 goblaa
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[QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"][QUOTE="nick31189"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.demontium

Rolfmao. Go F*** ur self. U dont know what people want

Well, sheep usually say that games with blood and guns are for kids who want to pretend to be adults.

Wrong. He is using a terrible example. You cant say NMH is proof that bloody games cant sell on the Wii. It was a total niche/weird game with zero marketing. That would have been doomed to failure even more so on the PS3.

If Mad World gets proper marketing (it wont) then we can talk. Until then try and understand the difference bewteen bloody and mature.

It might get some advertising since sega is publishing this game and not ubisoftz.

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#94 demontium
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[QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.StryderK

Since when did NMH sell poorly?

Since the day it was released. The game came out in January and is at 330,000 shipped. :|

with no advertisement to help its sales.

Worldwide sales of NMH has broken 600K already, fully good enough for a sequal, even Suda 51 said so himself. So bad sales? Only in the minds of cows and lemmings desparatly want Wii to fail!

Do you have a link to back up your numbers, because I do. :|

Check the date on your link.....If it says anywhere in March or April......Throw the numbers out! I'm talking about worldwide here, not just in the U.S.......It's like some of the Cows and Lemmings in here saying the the Wii's attach ratio is still a 3........When those numbers are like from early 2007! (Current ratio as of April is 5.3 in the U.S. and 6 world-wide). And besides, it isn't me saying that NMH sales are around 500-600K, there been quite a few people that's saying the same!

Wiis attach ratio is above 6 now (i believe) and I am certain its close to or above the 360 now. NMH has sold 330K not terrible but not great.

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#95 Saturos3091
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I think it looks excellent, I love the artsty1e. I'm sure a lot of people complain about the "lack of color," but when compared to a game like KZ2 or GeOW2 it has a much more stylized look (with the effects and everything) that fits the black and white color scheme much better.
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#96 demontium
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[QUOTE="demontium"][QUOTE="Samurai_Xavier"][QUOTE="nick31189"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.goblaa

Rolfmao. Go F*** ur self. U dont know what people want

Well, sheep usually say that games with blood and guns are for kids who want to pretend to be adults.

Wrong. He is using a terrible example. You cant say NMH is proof that bloody games cant sell on the Wii. It was a total niche/weird game with zero marketing. That would have been doomed to failure even more so on the PS3.

If Mad World gets proper marketing (it wont) then we can talk. Until then try and understand the difference bewteen bloody and mature.

It might get some advertising since sega is publishing this game and not ubisoftz.

not with the violent premise its going to be virtually unknown unless you thoroughly check websites.

I could be wrong but its looking that way. I am hoping Im wrong...

ALso I really hope the developers dont act like Suda 51 and be all pissed off that their game did not sell well. If they do not market it its not gonna sell or at least get it out there through other methods. Some developer/publisher has to break the habit of either making a fantastic game and then not informing gamers about it or informing gamers but the games sucks. ONce both pieces of the puzzle fit we should see things happening like they should be.

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[QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.DisPimpin

Since when did NMH sell poorly?

Since the day it was released. The game came out in January and is at 330,000 shipped. :|

with no advertisement to help its sales.

Worldwide sales of NMH has broken 600K already, fully good enough for a sequal, even Suda 51 said so himself. So bad sales? Only in the minds of cows and lemmings desparatly want Wii to fail!

Do you have a link to back up your numbers, because I do. :|

Check the date on your link.....If it says anywhere in March or April......Throw the numbers out! I'm talking about worldwide here, not just in the U.S.......It's like some of the Cows and Lemmings in here saying the the Wii's attach ratio is still a 3........When those numbers are like from early 2007! (Current ratio as of April is 5.3 in the U.S. and 6 world-wide). And besides, it isn't me saying that NMH sales are around 500-600K, there been quite a few people that's saying the same!

So you don't have a link to support your argument. Just keep telling yourself that NMH sold 500,000 if it helps you sleep at night. :|

wheres your link? and please dont use vgchartz :|
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[QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.Silenthps

Since when did NMH sell poorly?

Since the day it was released. The game came out in January and is at 330,000 shipped. :|

with no advertisement to help its sales.

Worldwide sales of NMH has broken 600K already, fully good enough for a sequal, even Suda 51 said so himself. So bad sales? Only in the minds of cows and lemmings desparatly want Wii to fail!

Do you have a link to back up your numbers, because I do. :|

Check the date on your link.....If it says anywhere in March or April......Throw the numbers out! I'm talking about worldwide here, not just in the U.S.......It's like some of the Cows and Lemmings in here saying the the Wii's attach ratio is still a 3........When those numbers are like from early 2007! (Current ratio as of April is 5.3 in the U.S. and 6 world-wide). And besides, it isn't me saying that NMH sales are around 500-600K, there been quite a few people that's saying the same!

So you don't have a link to support your argument. Just keep telling yourself that NMH sold 500,000 if it helps you sleep at night. :|

wheres your link? and please dont use vgchartz :|

Why not? It's good enough for the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, but not Gamespot? :|
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They were pleased with the sales (You people forget it was superlow budget and with high retail price).
This game doesn't require that much horsepower. It's trying to do something different, not trying to be the prettiest.
That's what the Wii is for. For people who don't want the standard **** but **** in all colours.
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[QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="DisPimpin"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]They should've put it on the PS360. Commercially this game will flop just like No More Heroes. Wii owners like rainbows and catching fairies in bottles, this is not their cup of tea.DisPimpin

Since when did NMH sell poorly?

Since the day it was released. The game came out in January and is at 330,000 shipped. :|

with no advertisement to help its sales.

Worldwide sales of NMH has broken 600K already, fully good enough for a sequal, even Suda 51 said so himself. So bad sales? Only in the minds of cows and lemmings desparatly want Wii to fail!

Do you have a link to back up your numbers, because I do. :|

Check the date on your link.....If it says anywhere in March or April......Throw the numbers out! I'm talking about worldwide here, not just in the U.S.......It's like some of the Cows and Lemmings in here saying the the Wii's attach ratio is still a 3........When those numbers are like from early 2007! (Current ratio as of April is 5.3 in the U.S. and 6 world-wide). And besides, it isn't me saying that NMH sales are around 500-600K, there been quite a few people that's saying the same!

So you don't have a link to support your argument. Just keep telling yourself that NMH sold 500,000 if it helps you sleep at night. :|

Go back several pages and read all the other posters who posted the 500K number....It's obvious your link date is too old and is holding onto it like a lifeline to "own" NMH's sales when it's not there anymore!

Again, show me when is your number posted. If you are so sure that it is CURRENT, then why don't you post it?

Some is making themselves sleep at night and it aint the sheep!