Is Mass Effect the best RPG this generation?

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#101 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Gameplay was alright.. My biggest two gripes was the side quests got repetive.. And the item system was generic.. If they had unique randomized drops and the like Ala Diablo.. It would be far more interesting, especially with variety. The story presentation and voice acting was top notch grade A though.
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#102 scar-hawk
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Lol. No way Mass Effect is best RPG this gen. Even Oblivion and some DS games are better :)
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="obamanian"]Actually RPG's are about a lot of things, personally the charatcer customization is the last thing i am looking forward in a RPG, i am more into world exploration and interaction and choice Mass Effect has enough customization there to be considered a full RPG, and the action is actually a stat based action, like in every other RPG, you can even have biotc "magic" like abilities, and use them to finish the game (as i did 2 times myself) There is nothing limited in Mass Effect, the customiation is there 100%, in fact it is very deepstepat201

Unfortunately for you, exploration and choice aren't enough to make a game an RPG. Many games in other genres have these traits, but that doesn't make them an RPG. The thing that SEPERATES rpgs from other genres are the character customizations, which are heavily limited in Mass Effect. Most of the classes are underpowered, and leveling up really doesn't diversify characters enough. In comparison to other RPGs, it is less of an RPG.

If RPG's are about character customizations then why is Oblivion so hugely insulted by hermits and called an action game? In Oblivion you can actually choose what your character looks like and his class and all that, as opposed to another game I know (cough* The Witcher *cough).

RPGs are about choices, the Witcher lets you play Geralt as many different styles as you want, so because I can't choose his appearance, it's a bad RPG? :lol:
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#104 nintendoman562
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TWEWY is the freshest JRPG since Earthbound, i'll go with that.

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#105 Shafftehr
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So it's pretty clear that Mass Effect is NOT the best RPG this generation, according to most people (including myself) on System Wars. Please feel free to continue with your comments, opinions, and most importantly votes...king_bobo
Interesting interpretation of the votes. A question to ask... Would any other RPG you could have put in this poll scored higher than 37%? Over 1/3 people who entered this poll chose Mass Effect above any other RPG this gen. That's an impressive number... This isn't ME vs Lost Odyssey, or Mass Effect vs The Witcher - it's Mass Effect VS any other RPG that anyone can think of this gen. Seeing as it has over 1/3 of the votes in such a poll, I am led to wonder if this isn't pretty clear evidence that the community generally thinks ME IS the best RPG this generation. I know I do, and I've played every high-rated non-PS3 RPG this gen.

So, in short, is it really a sign that ME isn't doing well in this poll that it has only stolen 1/3 of the votes from every other RPG released this gen?

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#106 pyromaniac223
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It's not really the best RPG this gen, but it has the best story this gen and is one of the best games.
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#107 Brendissimo35
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The Witcher is far better.

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#108 Shafftehr
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It's not really the best RPG this gen, but it has the best story this gen and is one of the best games.pyromaniac223
Actually, this I won't disagree with. It does tend to fall more into the action RPG category than really traditional RPG style... But, in story and universe, it would easily rival most upper-echelon traditional RPGs. Its real achilles heel is the characters.
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#109 SilverChimera
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1. Fallout 3

2. Valkyria Chronicles

3. Mass Effect

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#110 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]It's not really the best RPG this gen, but it has the best story this gen and is one of the best games.Shafftehr
Actually, this I won't disagree with. It does tend to fall more into the action RPG category than really traditional RPG style... But, in story and universe, it would easily rival most upper-echelon traditional RPGs. Its real achilles heel is the characters.

I wouldn't say upper-echelon. If anything, it is just another retelling of the Bladerunner/forerunner archetype.
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#111 hayato_
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Anwser: No.

The game played like a bad shooter, rather than an RPG. Too many problems, dumb character designs, horrible character mangagment, tons of other problems.

The story was swell though...............................................thats it.

I'd put Persona 4 (PS2), Valkyrie Chronicles (PS3), or Tales of Vesperia( PS3/360) over it all day, everyday, everyday son.

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#112 Shafftehr
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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]It's not really the best RPG this gen, but it has the best story this gen and is one of the best games.Vandalvideo
Actually, this I won't disagree with. It does tend to fall more into the action RPG category than really traditional RPG style... But, in story and universe, it would easily rival most upper-echelon traditional RPGs. Its real achilles heel is the characters.

I wouldn't say upper-echelon. If anything, it is just another retelling of the Bladerunner/forerunner archetype.

The "upper echelon" of RPGs is, storyline wise, largely populated by games which are essentially well-done takes on cliched fantasy/sci-fi stories. Look at anything from Baldur's Gate to any Final Fantasy game and you'll see something that has been done before. Not everything can be a PS:T... And even PS:T wasn't entirely original. So, I would say upper echelon. I haven't found a universe as interesting in a long time, and even if I don't find myself really liking any of the characters, they get the job done - and I do have a soft'ish spot for Wrex...
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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]It's not really the best RPG this gen, but it has the best story this gen and is one of the best games.Vandalvideo
Actually, this I won't disagree with. It does tend to fall more into the action RPG category than really traditional RPG style... But, in story and universe, it would easily rival most upper-echelon traditional RPGs. Its real achilles heel is the characters.

I wouldn't say upper-echelon. If anything, it is just another retelling of the Bladerunner/forerunner archetype.

While it may not be quite up to the caliber of older games, considering the state of stories this gen, its definitely in the top two, and probably the best, for this gen.
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#114 obamanian
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[QUOTE="obamanian"]

I played mass effect on 360 like 5 times

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How the hell did you manage to sit through that game 5 different times? You must be a masochist.

I tried a second playthrough but found the only difference was that I could be a jerk to everyone and punch people in the face. That lasted about 2 hours then I got bored.

As for this topic: I enjoyed The Witcher and FO3 more.

Played once with every charatcer, and two times in hardcore with biotics and combintions

It is really endless, since the gameplay is different with every charatce, the customization is simply huge

Of course i liked Fallout 3 and Fable 2 non linear worlds farmore myself too

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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"] The "upper echelon" of RPGs is, storyline wise, largely populated by games which are essentially well-done takes on cliched fantasy/sci-fi stories. Look at anything from Baldur's Gate to any Final Fantasy game and you'll see something that has been done before. Not everything can be a PS:T... And even PS:T wasn't entirely original. So, I would say upper echelon. I haven't found a universe as interesting in a long time, and even if I don't find myself really liking any of the characters, they get the job done - and I do have a soft'ish spot for Wrex...

Eh, using your criteria it would be, but I personally am reluctant to give the upper echelon title to games that rely on these cliched archetypes. Yeah, PS:T wasn't totally original, but atleast what it did wasn't the average archetype. My Upper-echelon would probably be, story wise; PS:T, Vandal Hearts, Breath of Fire, Parasite Eve, etc. They relied less on stereotypical archetypes and more about creating unique settings. Alot of the games on my list of great stories have problems with gameplay mechanics or bugs. I guess the two just run hand in hand. My primary problem with Mass Effect though was the length of the main arc.
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#117 Shafftehr
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"] The "upper echelon" of RPGs is, storyline wise, largely populated by games which are essentially well-done takes on cliched fantasy/sci-fi stories. Look at anything from Baldur's Gate to any Final Fantasy game and you'll see something that has been done before. Not everything can be a PS:T... And even PS:T wasn't entirely original. So, I would say upper echelon. I haven't found a universe as interesting in a long time, and even if I don't find myself really liking any of the characters, they get the job done - and I do have a soft'ish spot for Wrex...

Eh, using your criteria it would be, but I personally am reluctant to give the upper echelon title to games that rely on these cliched archetypes. Yeah, PS:T wasn't totally original, but atleast what it did wasn't the average archetype. My Upper-echelon would probably be, story wise; PS:T, Vandal Hearts, Breath of Fire, Parasite Eve, etc. They relied less on stereotypical archetypes and more about creating unique settings. Alot of the games on my list of great stories have problems with gameplay mechanics or bugs. I guess the two just run hand in hand. My primary problem with Mass Effect though was the length of the main arc.

My criteria is basically, if at the end of the game I'm *really*interested in how the story will continue (in the event of a series), it's bloody good. ME left me really interested in the universe. Not many games get me genuinely curious about how the universe will unfold, and ME accomplished that - so there we are. PS:T was in a realm of its own for story. ME was no PS:T - which was on the top of the "upper echelon" with ME somewhere near the bottom for me. But, I still put ME in that grouping for the reasons stated above. Yeah, ME's story was artificially made to seem longer than it really was with all the side-quest fluff which added only superficial stuff to the main arc. But, I really, really enjoyed the combat, so I really didn't mind going through a bunch of Biowarian filler quests for a change. The universe grabbed me, and the combat made it fun to play... The Mako exploration was the upper side of mediocre, the characters were about in that range. Overall, best RPG of the gen for me - but, I have to admit, this is a very weak gen for RPGs.
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#118 lhughey
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Fallout3
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#119 pyromaniac223
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Fallout3lhughey
is a sterile, shallow installment of a once-dominant series that should have either stayed dead or been given to competent devs.
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#120 Shafftehr
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[QUOTE="lhughey"]Fallout3pyromaniac223
is a sterile, shallow installment of a once-dominant series that should have either stayed dead or been given to competent devs.

I quite enjoyed it. Am I really dumb? :)
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#121 pyromaniac223
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="lhughey"]Fallout3Shafftehr
is a sterile, shallow installment of a once-dominant series that should have either stayed dead or been given to competent devs.

I quite enjoyed it. Am I really dumb? :)

Yes. You are dumb because you enjoyed a game that I deemed beneath me.
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#122 Shafftehr
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] is a sterile, shallow installment of a once-dominant series that should have either stayed dead or been given to competent devs.

I quite enjoyed it. Am I really dumb? :)

Yes. You are dumb because you enjoyed a game that I deemed beneath me.

Durrrr. Sorry! I triedses :D
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#123 pyromaniac223
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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"] I quite enjoyed it. Am I really dumb? :)

Yes. You are dumb because you enjoyed a game that I deemed beneath me.

Durrrr. Sorry! I triedses :D

Tried AND FAILED
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#124 Shafftehr
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Tried AND FAILEDpyromaniac223
Reported... FOR MAKING ME CRY!!!!


(not really reported BTW)

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#125 pyromaniac223
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] Tried AND FAILEDShafftehr

Reported... FOR MAKING ME CRY!!!!


(not really reported BTW)

You don't scare me. I've been reported for less.

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#126 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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The ending of mass effect is one of the best of this gen, thats for sure
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#127 KodiakGTS
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It's probably my second or third favorite RPG this gen, behind Lost Odyssey and Fallout 3 (though I really do need to try the Witcher).

I'd give it the nod over Persona 4 simply because if you're not that into hardcore JRPGs Persona is basically worthless to you

The main draw for Mass Effect (at least to me) was the story, although it was obvious that much of the inspiration for it came from Star Control 3.

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#128 Biotic2099
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I think so. Well deserved a 4 time playthrough, 1250 gamerscore, and over 100 hours of my time.
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#129 -snorlax-
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wow a space sci fi star wars esque wrpg? whos ever heard of that? best game evah!

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#130 Shafftehr
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wow a space sci fi star wars esque wrpg? whos ever heard of that? best game evah!

-snorlax-
38% of the people voting think it's the best RPG of this generation ;)
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#131 pyromaniac223
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[QUOTE="-snorlax-"]

wow a space sci fi star wars esque wrpg? whos ever heard of that? best game evah!

Shafftehr
38% of the people voting think it's the best RPG of this generation ;)

I was about to say "whoa a government conspiracy alien shooting fps? whos ever herad of that? best game evah!" but then I realized it was too obvious
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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="-snorlax-"]

wow a space sci fi star wars esque wrpg? whos ever heard of that? best game evah!

pyromaniac223
38% of the people voting think it's the best RPG of this generation ;)

I was about to say "whoa a government conspiracy alien shooting fps? whos ever herad of that? best game evah!" but then I realized it was too obvious

thats never been done before. nice try.
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#133 stepat201
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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]It's not really the best RPG this gen, but it has the best story this gen and is one of the best games.Vandalvideo
Actually, this I won't disagree with. It does tend to fall more into the action RPG category than really traditional RPG style... But, in story and universe, it would easily rival most upper-echelon traditional RPGs. Its real achilles heel is the characters.

I wouldn't say upper-echelon. If anything, it is just another retelling of the Bladerunner/forerunner archetype.

How is it like Bladerunner?

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#134 Derek240
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mass effect is more of a shooter to me.b1lal

Agreed

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#135 Shafftehr
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[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="-snorlax-"]

wow a space sci fi star wars esque wrpg? whos ever heard of that? best game evah!

pyromaniac223
38% of the people voting think it's the best RPG of this generation ;)

I was about to say "whoa a government conspiracy alien shooting fps? whos ever herad of that? best game evah!" but then I realized it was too obvious

Heh, I was considering making some crack about Zelda being considered the BEST GAME EVARRRR with the same bloody storyline every gen, or something about the legendary Baldur's Gate II being pretty straightforward for story, but settled on simple poll citing.
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#136 imprezawrx500
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fallout 3 is better and both are more shooter than rpg
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#137 freeloader_101
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Does Oblivion IV count as this gen ? And if yes,than its undoubtably the best RPG.
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#138 c02z
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fallout 3 the best rpg ever
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#139 obamanian
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fallout 3 is better and both are more shooter than rpgimprezawrx500

Indeed, that is why Witcer and Gothic are better RPGs by far

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#140 Bdking57
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I like Atlus games, so I will give some props to Persona, alhought I didnt like those games half as much as DDS1 and SMTIII, and I wouldnt even say they are from this gen. It comes down to Mass Effect vs Fallout for me. Sometimes I enjoy a little more linear game.

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#141 SpideR_CentS
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IMO Oblivion, Fallout, Fable >> Mass Effect

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#142 SemiMaster
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Yea, but Valkyria Chronicles comes a close second.

And for everyone mentioning Persona (a series I adore if you can't tell), it's a PS2 game, doesn't count.

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#143 xsubtownerx
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Yea, but Valkyria Chronicles comes a close second.

And for everyone mentioning Persona (a series I adore if you can't tell), it's a PS2 game, doesn't count.

SemiMaster
If we can throw in JRPGs into the mix, then Mass Effect is not at the top this gen.
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#144 FirstDiscovery
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Mass Effect = RPG? A: LOL:lol:
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mass effect is more of a shooter to me.b1lal

Unbelievable all the people saying this :roll: Not every RPG is about Swords and Magic you know. Do you people not get the context of the setting for the game, and what kind of weapons that would entail? Or is your narrow definition that any game with a gun = "shooter"? So that would make GTA4, DMC4, and Splinter Cell all shooters?

This is as bad as people labelling Zelda as an RPG when it meets none of the genere criteria :|

And I did vote Mass Effect best RPG of this generation. There is such an abundance of game play diversity in the moral choices, cIass configurations, skill customizations, lending to great replay value. And the story, despite what some have complained about, is far from generic. The plot is of an epic scale, and many characters with deep backgrounds.

I've had a lot of fun with this game, in 4 play throughs. Though now I am getting more and more curious about The Witcher (and how I can get my hands on the complete UK version :oops: :) )

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Does Oblivion IV count as this gen ? And if yes,than its undoubtably the best RPG.freeloader_101
First, it's Elder Scrolls 4, not Oblivion 4. Second, Oblivion is barely even an RPG. It's actually arguable that it isn't one at all.
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#147 AdobeArtist  Moderator
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[QUOTE="freeloader_101"]Does Oblivion IV count as this gen ? And if yes,than its undoubtably the best RPG.thepwninator
First, it's Elder Scrolls 4, not Oblivion 4. Second, Oblivion is barely even an RPG. It's actually arguable that it isn't one at all.

Being a bad RPG doesn't make it not an RPG. Oblivion meets all the criteria, from cIass selection and configuration, to attribute and skill customization, to Level progression (albiet broken), to story and moral choices. It's nothing more than subjective quality of that particular game.

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#148 Ontain
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haven't played ME yet but fallout 3 was darn good.
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#149 Planeforger
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I actually thought it was one of Bioware's weakest games. The presentation was fantastic, the combat was mostly enjoyable, but everything else felt like a cheap imitation of other Bioware games.

In any case, I might put it in my top 5 RPGs for this gen. Maybe in 5th, hm. It's far from the best this gen (and this gen had been pretty miserable for RPGs).

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#150 thepwninator
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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="freeloader_101"]Does Oblivion IV count as this gen ? And if yes,than its undoubtably the best RPG.AdobeArtist

First, it's Elder Scrolls 4, not Oblivion 4. Second, Oblivion is barely even an RPG. It's actually arguable that it isn't one at all.

Being a bad RPG doesn't make it not an RPG. Oblivion meets all the criteria, from cIass selection and configuration, to attribute and skill customization, to Level progression (albiet broken), to story and moral choices. It's nothing more than subjective quality of that particular game.

But since cIass selection and attribute and skill customization don't really matter in that game, its status as an RPG is undermined. If you end up the same late-game character no matter how you start, the choice is pointless.