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#1 Trmpt
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Do they have enough money to do so? I wonder what would happen if they did.

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#2 double_heist
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Short answer: no Long answer: nooooooooooooo
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Not even close. Sony is huge with a bunch of divisions. It's not just a gaming company.

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#4 Trmpt
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Not even close. Sony is huge with a bunch of divisions. It's not just a gaming company.

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Couldnt they just buy their gaming division then?
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#5 double_heist
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

Not even close. Sony is huge with a bunch of divisions. It's not just a gaming company.

Trmpt
Couldnt they just buy their gaming division then?

They can't because it's still owned by Sony.
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#6 Malta_1980
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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

Not even close. Sony is huge with a bunch of divisions. It's not just a gaming company.

Trmpt

Couldnt they just buy their gaming division then?

They could but am sure sony did learn from mistakes done this gen and make sure not to repeat them next-gen in order to get back a huge part of its market share and try to get back to no.1 position.. So Sony wont sell out its gaming division, its still one of its biggest assets..

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Theoretically, yes -- but not only would it be expensive, but also would or could violate multiple monopoly laws.
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#8 surrealnumber5
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Do they have enough money to do so? I wonder what would happen if they did.

Trmpt
high end electronics are on the decline, why would microsoft want to buy sony?
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im pretty sure there are laws against that kind of stuff

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#10 PAL360
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I dont think so. And it wouldnt be a cleaver idea. Competition is healthy for the market

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#11 surrealnumber5
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im pretty sure there are laws against that kind of stuff

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anti-trust laws would only apply if it would lead to a monopoly or if the purchase was against the co. charter of microsoft. as the only industry they share is video gaming and both pc and nintendos share of the market makes the combine sony+microsoft share look small, a monopoly would be a non-issue still the SEC and what ever governing bodies in japan would need to give the ok.
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[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

Do they have enough money to do so? I wonder what would happen if they did.

surrealnumber5
high end electronics are on the decline, why would microsoft want to buy sony?

You know Sony owns movie studios
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#13 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Trmpt"]

Do they have enough money to do so? I wonder what would happen if they did.

J_Swayze
high end electronics are on the decline, why would microsoft want to buy sony?

You know Sony owns movie studios

yes i do...
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[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

Do they have enough money to do so? I wonder what would happen if they did.

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high end electronics are on the decline, why would microsoft want to buy sony?

high end electronics in decline? maybe in a global recession sure. the problem is manufacturing costs. personally i think we've reached the stage where we are able to make leaps in technology when we focus our energies in large R&D groups. the problem is the cost of making that new tech. PR guys for a while now have been good at spinning it so that the masses buy it. it's what has kept it afloat. we could be reaching a point where the mass consumer market isn't able to buy the new electronic toys in the millions like they used to. so the trick then is to pass the savings not only for the developers but also to the consumers. gotta do it cheaper.
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#17 Kurdish-Gamer
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Sony Corporation is much bigger than Microsoft , go check the list of the biggest corporations in the world at Wikipedia
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#18 Trmpt
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Sony Corporation is much bigger than Microsoft , go check the list of the biggest corporations in the world at WikipediaKurdish-Gamer
Even if that is true, MS still has more green in its wallet.
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Ugh this is "System Wars" not "Company Wars".

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Trmpt"]

Do they have enough money to do so? I wonder what would happen if they did.

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high end electronics are on the decline, why would microsoft want to buy sony?

high end electronics in decline? maybe in a global recession sure. the problem is manufacturing costs. personally i think we've reached the stage where we are able to make leaps in technology when we focus our energies in large R&D groups. the problem is the cost of making that new tech. PR guys for a while now have been good at spinning it so that the masses buy it. it's what has kept it afloat. we could be reaching a point where the mass consumer market isn't able to buy the new electronic toys in the millions like they used to. so the trick then is to pass the savings not only for the developers but also to the consumers. gotta do it cheaper.

the new tech breakthroughs need time to hit mass production levels, yes we can make great products that put all things before them to shame, but the global market is not ready to consume them yet. on the other hand if such techs were pushed more so to the private sector for a number of years before hitting the consumer market things would be more like the 90's early 00'. the latest and greatest have always been a luxury for the well off, not a given for all. to push out "new tech" on a flagship product is not a wise business decision unless the new tech can be produced at a close cost to what it is replacing.
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They could very easy. There is no need for them to though. Them make far to much money being a software company to take over a electronics company.
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Theoretically, yes -- but not only would it be expensive, but also would or could violate multiple monopoly laws.Stevo_the_gamer
Correct it would NEVER be allowed to happen. Its like Wallmart buying Tescos or vice versa it would DEVASTATE small shops and other supermarkets. While Microsoft buying Sony would annihilate and cause many problems in the gaming market especially, and also the general computer Hardware market. Honestly its not a nice thought i think Microsoft have already gotten to big and im surprised they are allowed to keep there monopoly on the software market. Especially considering the recent news that due to Viruses designed for you guessed it Windows hospitals in particular have been unable to access computer systems which can result in postponed cancer treatment or even death for patients.
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Sony Corporation is much bigger than Microsoft , go check the list of the biggest corporations in the world at WikipediaKurdish-Gamer
First off Wki sucks for info. Go to Forbes or something like Forbes. The look at the market value for each company and Microsoft is worth around 6 times more then Sony.

Edit- I just looked

Microsoft is worth $199 billion

Sony is worth $24 billion

So Microsoft is worth 8 times what Sony is worth

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Theoretically, yes -- but not only would it be expensive, but also would or could violate multiple monopoly laws.jwsoul
Correct it would NEVER be allowed to happen. Its like Wallmart buying Tescos or vice versa it would DEVASTATE small shops and other supermarkets. While Microsoft buying Sony would annihilate and cause many problems in the gaming market especially, and also the general computer Hardware market. Honestly its not a nice thought i think Microsoft have already gotten to big and im surprised they are allowed to keep there monopoly on the software market. Especially considering the recent news that due to Viruses designed for you guessed it Windows hospitals in particular have been unable to access computer systems which can result in postponed cancer treatment or even death for patients.

Competition law, known in the United States as antitrust law, has three main elements: * prohibiting agreements or practices that restrict free trading and competition between business entities. This includes in particular the repression of cartels. * banning abusive behavior by a firm dominating a market, or anti-competitive practices that tend to lead to such a dominant position. Practices controlled in this way may include predatory pricing, tying, price gouging, refusal to deal, and many others. * supervising the mergers and acquisitions of large corporations, including some joint ventures. Transactions that are considered to threaten the competitive process can be prohibited altogether, or approved subject to "remedies" such as an obligation to divest part of the merged business or to offer licenses or access to facilities to enable other businesses to continue competing. they may be both big companies but i cant think of a single market that would be dominated that is not already dominated by one of them today.. as long as both keep it clean and what even japans laws are met, there would be no problems with a buyout/merger
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[QUOTE="Kurdish-Gamer"]Sony Corporation is much bigger than Microsoft , go check the list of the biggest corporations in the world at Wikipediarybe1025
First off Wki sucks for info. Go to Forbes or something like Forbes. The look at the market value for each company and Microsoft is worth around 6 times more then Sony.

that is only because 80% of sony's assets are payed for with debt
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[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Kurdish-Gamer"]Sony Corporation is much bigger than Microsoft , go check the list of the biggest corporations in the world at Wikipediasurrealnumber5
First off Wki sucks for info. Go to Forbes or something like Forbes. The look at the market value for each company and Microsoft is worth around 6 times more then Sony.

that is only because 80% of sony's assets are payed for with debt

About a year ago Microsoft offered to by Yahoo for $35 billion. Yahoo said no but the fact is MS has that kind of money. So yes at anytime if MS really wanted to they could buy Sony.

Edit-The bid was $44.6 billion to buy Yahoo I just checked

Was wrong about the time when it happened also

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]First off Wki sucks for info. Go to Forbes or something like Forbes. The look at the market value for each company and Microsoft is worth around 6 times more then Sony.rybe1025

that is only because 80% of sony's assets are payed for with debt

About 8 months ago Microsoft offered to by Yahoo for $35 billion. Yahoo said no but the fact is MS has that kind of money. So yes at anytime if MS really wanted to they could buy Sony.

Edit-The bid was $44 billion I just checked

read up on some of my other posts in this thread, i was not saying they could or could not just adding some info
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#28 rybe1025
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[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] that is only because 80% of sony's assets are payed for with debt surrealnumber5

About 8 months ago Microsoft offered to by Yahoo for $35 billion. Yahoo said no but the fact is MS has that kind of money. So yes at anytime if MS really wanted to they could buy Sony.

Edit-The bid was $44 billion I just checked

read up on some of my other posts in this thread, i was not saying they could or could not just adding some info

Ok sorry my bad. I am half awake and misunderstood.
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I'd like to see GE buy Microsoft. :P
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[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] high end electronics are on the decline, why would microsoft want to buy sony? surrealnumber5
high end electronics in decline? maybe in a global recession sure. the problem is manufacturing costs. personally i think we've reached the stage where we are able to make leaps in technology when we focus our energies in large R&D groups. the problem is the cost of making that new tech. PR guys for a while now have been good at spinning it so that the masses buy it. it's what has kept it afloat. we could be reaching a point where the mass consumer market isn't able to buy the new electronic toys in the millions like they used to. so the trick then is to pass the savings not only for the developers but also to the consumers. gotta do it cheaper.

the new tech breakthroughs need time to hit mass production levels, yes we can make great products that put all things before them to shame, but the global market is not ready to consume them yet. on the other hand if such techs were pushed more so to the private sector for a number of years before hitting the consumer market things would be more like the 90's early 00'. the latest and greatest have always been a luxury for the well off, not a given for all. to push out "new tech" on a flagship product is not a wise business decision unless the new tech can be produced at a close cost to what it is replacing.

I can agree to that. sure.
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I'd like to see GE buy Microsoft. :Pdouble_heist
As of right now Microsoft has a better market value then GE does. GE's is $114 bil
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#32 CreepyBacon
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They could. But then you have to ask yourself *why* they'd buy a failing company like sony?

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Oh god...

Yes sony, one of the biggest hardware companies in thw wrrld, who manufacture nearly every electronic imaginable and most to great success...

I doubt MS could even get sonys mobile branch...

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no

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Yes they could, but they cant because of laws I imagine.
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]First off Wki sucks for info. Go to Forbes or something like Forbes. The look at the market value for each company and Microsoft is worth around 6 times more then Sony.rybe1025

that is only because 80% of sony's assets are payed for with debt

About a year ago Microsoft offered to by Yahoo for $35 billion. Yahoo said no but the fact is MS has that kind of money. So yes at anytime if MS really wanted to they could buy Sony.

Edit-The bid was $44.6 billion to buy Yahoo I just checked

Was wrong about the time when it happened also

All you guys are little kids what doesn't under, no they could not, yahoo is a horrible search engine and a email service, they arn't worth anything nearly as much as sony.

Sony is a huge corporation, what does things from make Mp3 players, dvd player to Producing movies.....If Microsoft could buy out sony they would have tried

Sony would cost hundreds of billions to buy out

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[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] that is only because 80% of sony's assets are payed for with debt LordDhampire

About a year ago Microsoft offered to by Yahoo for $35 billion. Yahoo said no but the fact is MS has that kind of money. So yes at anytime if MS really wanted to they could buy Sony.

Edit-The bid was $44.6 billion to buy Yahoo I just checked

Was wrong about the time when it happened also

All you guys are little kids what doesn't under, no they could not, yahoo is a horrible search engine and a email service, they arn't worth anything nearly as much as sony.

Sony is a huge corporation, what does things from make Mp3 players, dvd player to Producing movies.....If Microsoft could buy out sony they would have tried

Sony would cost hundreds of billions to buy out

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[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] that is only because 80% of sony's assets are payed for with debt LordDhampire

About a year ago Microsoft offered to by Yahoo for $35 billion. Yahoo said no but the fact is MS has that kind of money. So yes at anytime if MS really wanted to they could buy Sony.

Edit-The bid was $44.6 billion to buy Yahoo I just checked

Was wrong about the time when it happened also

All you guys are little kids what doesn't under, no they could not, yahoo is a horrible search engine and a email service, they arn't worth anything nearly as much as sony.

Sony is a huge corporation, what does things from make Mp3 players, dvd player to Producing movies.....If Microsoft could buy out sony they would have tried

Sony would cost hundreds of billions to buy out

every conglomerate in history has failed with a history like that why would microsoft want to join in? and who are you calling a little kid?
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#39 NinjaMunkey01
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[QUOTE="LordDhampire"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

that is only because 80% of sony's assets are payed for with debt surrealnumber5
About a year ago Microsoft offered to by Yahoo for $35 billion. Yahoo said no but the fact is MS has that kind of money. So yes at anytime if MS really wanted to they could buy Sony.

Edit-The bid was $44.6 billion to buy Yahoo I just checked

Was wrong about the time when it happened also

All you guys are little kids what doesn't under, no they could not, yahoo is a horrible search engine and a email service, they arn't worth anything nearly as much as sony.

Sony is a huge corporation, what does things from make Mp3 players, dvd player to Producing movies.....If Microsoft could buy out sony they would have tried

Sony would cost hundreds of billions to buy out

Why would MS try to buy up sony??? MS isnt some evil empire wanting to buy everything it can up. The reason MS would have wanted to bvuy up yahoo is becuase they are competition. MS is a software company and has their own mail service, yahoo would be big competition. Plus having them put toghether would make combating google much easier. Since google is ahuge competition to both of them... MS wouldnt buy out sony becuase MS is primarily a software company. Sony is primarily a hardware company so for the most part there is not a huge amount of competition between them. Also sonys VAIO computers use wondows. Which is good for MS...
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Not even close. Sony is huge with a bunch of divisions. It's not just a gaming company.

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According to you Sony is greedy, may be moreeeeeeeee gready
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Do they have enough money to do so? I wonder what would happen if they did.

Trmpt

sony is worth much more than microsoft.

so no.

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[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

Do they have enough money to do so? I wonder what would happen if they did.

dethroned3

sony is worth much more than microsoft.

so no.

i wont do it again in this thread as i did for the last thread like this, but if you can find it i did a financial breakdown and accounting ratios for sony and microsoft, with more focus on sony as their numbers varied more from poster to poster and what site they went on. shortly there after it was locked and proved to me once more my sig is correct. any who if you do want to look for it the thread was atleast 20 pages at 20 posts per page long, but that is all i can recall.

sony has more assets but its equity is far lower, most of sony's worth is debt

ASSETS - LIABILITIES = Owners/shareholders equity or Assets = owners/shareholders equity + liabilities

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[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

Do they have enough money to do so? I wonder what would happen if they did.

dethroned3

sony is worth much more than microsoft.

so no.

lol, MS is worth over a 100 billion dollars more than Sony. :lol: I couldnt help but laugh at my screen when I read your post.
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#44 NinjaMunkey01
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[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="dethroned3"]

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

Do they have enough money to do so? I wonder what would happen if they did.

sony is worth much more than microsoft.

so no.

lol, MS is worth over a 100 billion dollars more than Sony. :lol: I couldnt help but laugh at my screen when I read your post.

Looking online sny is something between 40 and 50 billion dollars. MS though is somewhere around $250 billion...
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[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="dethroned3"]

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

Do they have enough money to do so? I wonder what would happen if they did.

sony is worth much more than microsoft.

so no.

lol, MS is worth over a 100 billion dollars more than Sony. :lol: I couldnt help but laugh at my screen when I read your post.

Not that much...but yeah by alot.
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Do they have enough money to do so? I wonder what would happen if they did.

Trmpt
Doubt it. Side note: Nanotechnology is cool.
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#47 omgimba
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Microsoft had net profits of 20 billion a year for the last decade. With such huge profits I see no reason why MS couldn't lend nearly infinite money if needed to buy a company of Sonys size. Sonys Market Value was only worth about 48 billion $ (its less then nintendos) in early 2008 and has probably dropped a lot by now.

Even if Sonys stockholders would demand a ridicoules amount of money for their stock MS could easily attain enough fundings for it if they wanted.

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#48 dethroned3
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Do they have enough money to do so? I wonder what would happen if they did.

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sony is worth much more than microsoft.

so no.

lol, MS is worth over a 100 billion dollars more than Sony. :lol: I couldnt help but laugh at my screen when I read your post.

not long ago someone gave reputable statistics that sony was worth more than microsoft.
guess i'll have to personally look into this

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#49 hakanakumono
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Can US companies just go out and buy foreign companies?

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#50 surrealnumber5
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Can US companies just go out and buy foreign companies?

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as long as they follow the merger regs of both home nations, some times they are incompatible. and some times us companies relocate to other nations as the Co. dick chainie was invested in moved to one of the middle east nations to avoid litigation for some of its missdoing in the past 8 years