Is MS own fault that COD is more popular on 360 than Halo is.?

Now before you say is not true Halo is more popular,MW2 actually out sold Halo 3 by several million units on 360 alone.

Did the fact that MS did not had a Halo game for launch on 360 and just PDZ actually hurt them.?

Because since Halo wasn't there on launch players who where fans of the series were not pull automatically by PDZ,and tryed COD2 instead contributing to the game sudden explotion,if Halo would have been on launch of the xbox 360 would COD games still be as popular now,knowing that most 360 fans would have gone for Halo instead of any other FPS.?

Edit.

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/e3-modern-warfare-2-has-sold-20-million-copies/

MW2 actually sold 20 million copies bewteen PS3 and 360 and we all know the xbox 360 version sold better,from those 20 millions i am sure on 360 more than 12 millions most have been sold on 360 alone.

It would be nice if you posted some evidence. Like sales numbers.

It would be nice if you posted some evidence. Like sales numbers.

waltefmoney

How many did Halo 3 sold to date.? i read like 9 millions or something like it but can't find a link to actual sales by MS them self.

Now before you say is not true Halo is more popular,MW2 actually out sold Halo 3 by several million units on 360 alone.

Did the fact that MS did not had a Halo game for launch on 360 and just PDZ actually hurt them.?

Because since Halo wasn't there on launch players who where fans of the series were not pull automatically by PDZ,and tryed COD2 instead contributing to the game sudden explotion,if Halo would have been on launch of the xbox 360 would COD games still be as popular now,knowing that most 360 fans would have gone for Halo instead of any other FPS.?

Edit.

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/e3-modern-warfare-2-has-sold-20-million-copies/

MW2 actually sold 20 million copies bewteen PS3 and 360 and we all know the xbox 360 version sold better,from those 20 millions i am sure on 360 more than 12 millions most have been sold on 360 alone.

Eltormo

-_-, to start off, halo 3 was released WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy back in 2007 when less people had xboxes including me, secondly mw2 was the mosy hyped up game ever released, thirdly, not all people with xboxes preferred halo, i know alot of xbox users who hate halo and prefer cod

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

It would be nice if you posted some evidence. Like sales numbers.

Eltormo

How many did Halo 3 sold to date.? i read like 9 millions or something like it but can't find a link to actual sales by MS them self.

you mean 11,180,000 not 9 million, right?

i dont think CoD2 being released on 360 at launch had much impact on CoDs success today. the real success of CoD came from Modern Warfare thanks to all the marketing and the hype around it. maybe CoD is just the better game so more people play it.

Now before you say is not true Halo is more popular,MW2 actually out sold Halo 3 by several million units on 360 alone.

Did the fact that MS did not had a Halo game for launch on 360 and just PDZ actually hurt them.?

Because since Halo wasn't there on launch players who where fans of the series were not pull automatically by PDZ,and tryed COD2 instead contributing to the game sudden explotion,if Halo would have been on launch of the xbox 360 would COD games still be as popular now,knowing that most 360 fans would have gone for Halo instead of any other FPS.?

Edit.

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/e3-modern-warfare-2-has-sold-20-million-copies/

MW2 actually sold 20 million copies bewteen PS3 and 360 and we all know the xbox 360 version sold better,from those 20 millions i am sure on 360 more than 12 millions most have been sold on 360 alone.

Eltormo

I think it left an opening for Call of Duty to emerge on consoles, but I hardly think Halo or MS has been hurt by that phenomenon. It was worth the risk to potentially build another triple AAA franchise in Perfect Dark, which didn't work out for them, but you win some, you lose some (I personally liked PD:Z a lot, and think its still one of the neater multi-player shooters this generation).

Besides, people already act as though Halo 3 was rushed as it was, what with all the snarky Halo 2.5 comments. Those were nonsense, but if Halo had released in 2005, only one year after Halo 2, they undoubtedly would have been true. Besides, Halo 2 remained very popular online the first couple years of the 360's lifespan, which I'm sure contributed to XBL revenues. What's more if Halo 3 had shipped at launch it would have shipped to a much smaller user base. As it is Halo 3 sold around 11 million units, I bet there were not even 11 million 360 owners by mid-2006, CoD2 was the best selling launch title and only sold ~2.5 million. You can argue that if Halo was available the 360 would have sold even more in its first year, but I doubt it. I think most Halo fans ended up on a 360 anyways because they knew it was coming.

I can what you are saying TC, one thing is for sure COD definitely took some Halo fans...I personally know some workmates that are 360 diehards. They don't like REACH, and are waiting for Blackops. They all play MW2 every night it seems, like clockwork. Before COD6 : MW2, it was COD4 : MW1. They went from Halo 3 to MW1, and never looked back. A few of them bought Halo Reach, but don't play it anymore. I've been bugging them at work to play, but they aren't into it. I don't get it, something about MW and MW2 is addicting to certain gamers, I guess. :P

It's strange to see, as I used to play Halo 3 with them back in the day. I don't know if they represent millions of gamers or whatever, but I can only tell you what I see from some dudes I know.

EDIT : BTW, I don't like Activision, and I've been boycotting them since 2008 (The rare time I do buy one of their games, it's an old used game), so I don't want to tell the above story as it promotes ACTI's COD, but it's a true story.

I don't want to promote COD, but I just thought I would share the tale.

[QUOTE="Eltormo"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

It would be nice if you posted some evidence. Like sales numbers.

HailedJohnDman

How many did Halo 3 sold to date.? i read like 9 millions or something like it but can't find a link to actual sales by MS them self.

you mean 11,180,000 not 9 million, right?

You have a link to MS.? not VG charts please.

So Halo 3 sold over 10 million and MW2 around 12 million. Ya, I bet MS is real upset haha! I bet they are crying all the way to the bank.

Come on people the thread is not anti Halo or Halo vs COD,is more to know if having no Halo at the launch of the 360 and COD2 been there as the best 360 FPS and probably the best game at launch actually helped COD as a franchise to the point were it now tops Halo.

No, it's the people that purchase ever Cod game that comes out yearly.

but Halo is consistently more played on xbox live...scottiescott238

Since Halo reach,because all COD games had beat Halo 3,the first to beat it was COD4 barely a month after COD 4 was launch,considering that Halo is the xbox,and considering that Halo 2 was unmatched on the original xbox by any other game,and considering that Halo 3 came just 2 months before COD4 and was fresh when COD 4 launch is incredible what COD4 was able to do.

All 3 COD4,Waw and MW2 which was the current king pretty much since it launch up until a few weeks back,i say COD games are equaly as consistant.

I think that it is actually Sony's fault for releasing so few quality games on the PS3. When fanboys come back from trying to find a match in Killzone 2, but fail miserably due to the fact there are only 2000 people online, they feel the need to attack the 360 so that they can justify thier own terrible purchase. But, what they don't understand is that Xbox users don't just live for the next "Halo Killer" but actually have the choice to play many different high quality games. I understand the idea of a game having more than 10000 people online is a foreign idea to a PS3 user, but it actually is true. The real winner here is Microsoft because they have two games on their console that, as of this moment, each have well over 200,000 users online.

I think that it is actually Sony's fault for releasing so few quality games on the PS3. When fanboys come back from trying to find a match in Killzone 2, but fail miserably due to the fact there are only 2000 people online, they feel the need to attack the 360 so that they can justify thier own terrible purchase. But, what they don't understand is that Xbox users don't just live for the next "Halo Killer" but actually have the choice to play many different high quality games. I understand the idea of a game having more than 10000 people online is a foreign idea to a PS3 user, but it actually is true. The real winner here is Microsoft because they have two games on their console that, as of this moment, each have well over 200,000 users online.

ImprovedMind

Shoudl actually try playing a ps3 sometime, or you know, looking at something related to the ps3.

Hint hint, theres tons of great games on the ps3, oh and btw, 200 players or 2 million players, doesnt change wether a game is good or bad, but have fun playing number of players, i hear its a really good game, meanwhile ill actially be playing games.

AQlso have fun paying a monthly/yearly fee to fully unlock your purchased games, while everyone else, you know, gets the full game when they buy it.

I think that it is actually Sony's fault for releasing so few quality games on the PS3. When fanboys come back from trying to find a match in Killzone 2, but fail miserably due to the fact there are only 2000 people online, they feel the need to attack the 360 so that they can justify thier own terrible purchase. But, what they don't understand is that Xbox users don't just live for the next "Halo Killer" but actually have the choice to play many different high quality games. I understand the idea of a game having more than 10000 people online is a foreign idea to a PS3 user, but it actually is true. The real winner here is Microsoft because they have two games on their console that, as of this moment, each have well over 200,000 users online.

ImprovedMind

First what does the PS3 has to do with this thread.? Read the tittle is not Halo vs Killzone,is to know is MS is to blame for COD games popularity.

[QUOTE="ImprovedMind"]

I think that it is actually Sony's fault for releasing so few quality games on the PS3. When fanboys come back from trying to find a match in Killzone 2, but fail miserably due to the fact there are only 2000 people online, they feel the need to attack the 360 so that they can justify thier own terrible purchase. But, what they don't understand is that Xbox users don't just live for the next "Halo Killer" but actually have the choice to play many different high quality games. I understand the idea of a game having more than 10000 people online is a foreign idea to a PS3 user, but it actually is true. The real winner here is Microsoft because they have two games on their console that, as of this moment, each have well over 200,000 users online.

Eltormo

First what does the PS3 has to do with this thread.? Read the tittle is not Halo vs Killzone,is to know is MS is to blame for COD games popularity.

[QUOTE="Eltormo"]

[QUOTE="ImprovedMind"]

I think that it is actually Sony's fault for releasing so few quality games on the PS3. When fanboys come back from trying to find a match in Killzone 2, but fail miserably due to the fact there are only 2000 people online, they feel the need to attack the 360 so that they can justify thier own terrible purchase. But, what they don't understand is that Xbox users don't just live for the next "Halo Killer" but actually have the choice to play many different high quality games. I understand the idea of a game having more than 10000 people online is a foreign idea to a PS3 user, but it actually is true. The real winner here is Microsoft because they have two games on their console that, as of this moment, each have well over 200,000 users online.

ImprovedMind

First what does the PS3 has to do with this thread.? Read the tittle is not Halo vs Killzone,is to know is MS is to blame for COD games popularity.

That has nothing to do with the topic,what you are implaying is something different.

No, kids like CoD better because of two main reasons, maybe 3. The gameplay is good, the unlock system is addicting, and it takes much less kill then Halo. Oh, and they like the "realism" (lol)

It's just a fact that COD is more popular than Halo. Simple really.skrat_01

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]It's just a fact that COD is more popular than Halo. Simple really.Santesyu

Halo is a great game but I personally liked COD gameplay over Halo. However, I really think COD was new to consumers and it may start to drop off a bit over time.

once we went into PDZ being Halo's 'downfall' of sorts.

this thread became laughable.

doesn't matter what's more popular, because it doesn't even hurt MS:?

well first of all i wouldnt say that COD is more popular. and COD being popular on the 360 helps microsoft so i doubt they care too much. if anything COD and halo are neck and neck and it hurts the sales of killzone and resistance.

well first of all i wouldnt say that COD is more popular. and COD being popular on the 360 helps microsoft so i doubt they care too much. if anything COD and halo are neck and neck and it hurts the sales of killzone and resistance.

kobraka1

How is halo hurting sales of KZ and Resistance when those games would get releaed Q1 and probably Q2-3 of next year?

[QUOTE="kobraka1"]

well first of all i wouldnt say that COD is more popular. and COD being popular on the 360 helps microsoft so i doubt they care too much. if anything COD and halo are neck and neck and it hurts the sales of killzone and resistance.

DroidPhysX

How is halo hurting sales of KZ and Resistance when those games would get releaed Q1 and probably Q2-3 of next year?

[QUOTE="kobraka1"]

well first of all i wouldnt say that COD is more popular. and COD being popular on the 360 helps microsoft so i doubt they care too much. if anything COD and halo are neck and neck and it hurts the sales of killzone and resistance.

How is halo hurting sales of KZ and Resistance when those games would get releaed Q1 and probably Q2-3 of next year?

[QUOTE="scottiescott238"]but Halo is consistently more played on xbox live...Eltormo

Since Halo reach,because all COD games had beat Halo 3,the first to beat it was COD4 barely a month after COD 4 was launch,considering that Halo is the xbox,and considering that Halo 2 was unmatched on the original xbox by any other game,and considering that Halo 3 came just 2 months before COD4 and was fresh when COD 4 launch is incredible what COD4 was able to do.

All 3 COD4,Waw and MW2 which was the current king pretty much since it launch up until a few weeks back,i say COD games are equaly as consistant.

No not at all. You can hardly find a match in WaW outside of zombies. CoD4 still has a decent population but still it has less then Halo 3. MW2 will probably drop off as well once Black Ops comes along. No CoD games seem to have staying power.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

It would be nice if you posted some evidence. Like sales numbers.

How many did Halo 3 sold to date.? i read like 9 millions or something like it but can't find a link to actual sales by MS them self.

[QUOTE="Eltormo"]

Come on people the thread is not anti Halo or Halo vs COD,is more to know if having no Halo at the launch of the 360 and COD2 been there as the best 360 FPS and probably the best game at launch actually helped COD as a franchise to the point were it now tops Halo.

clone01

yeah, we all know the motive at hand. don't know why he tries to hide it.

[QUOTE="scottiescott238"]but Halo is consistently more played on xbox live...Eltormo

Since Halo reach,because all COD games had beat Halo 3,the first to beat it was COD4 barely a month after COD 4 was launch,considering that Halo is the xbox,and considering that Halo 2 was unmatched on the original xbox by any other game,and considering that Halo 3 came just 2 months before COD4 and was fresh when COD 4 launch is incredible what COD4 was able to do.

All 3 COD4,Waw and MW2 which was the current king pretty much since it launch up until a few weeks back,i say COD games are equaly as consistant.

Everytime a COD game sells for 360, MS gets a license fee cut, so they aren't crying at all. Sony is though.

[QUOTE="scottiescott238"]but Halo is consistently more played on xbox live...Eltormo

Since Halo reach,because all COD games had beat Halo 3,the first to beat it was COD4 barely a month after COD 4 was launch,considering that Halo is the xbox,and considering that Halo 2 was unmatched on the original xbox by any other game,and considering that Halo 3 came just 2 months before COD4 and was fresh when COD 4 launch is incredible what COD4 was able to do.

All 3 COD4,Waw and MW2 which was the current king pretty much since it launch up until a few weeks back,i say COD games are equaly as consistant.

considering this link says Halo 3 was the most popular game of 2009.

I consider you incorrect.

considering I offer proof, links. would you consider it foolish of you to go around saying things like 'No link if VGChartz' while you go on making up numbers with no backing?

:)

here's another link. Halo 3 managed 2008 as the most-played XBL game as well. I consider this one hefty dose of ownage to a reknowned Halo hater:D

[QUOTE="Eltormo"]

but Halo is consistently more played on xbox live...scottiescott238

Since Halo reach,because all COD games had beat Halo 3,the first to beat it was COD4 barely a month after COD 4 was launch,considering that Halo is the xbox,and considering that Halo 2 was unmatched on the original xbox by any other game,and considering that Halo 3 came just 2 months before COD4 and was fresh when COD 4 launch is incredible what COD4 was able to do.

All 3 COD4,Waw and MW2 which was the current king pretty much since it launch up until a few weeks back,i say COD games are equaly as consistant.

considering this link says Halo 3 was the most popular game of 2009.

I consider you incorrect.

considering I offer proof, links. would you consider it foolish of you to go around saying things like 'No link if VGChartz' while you go on making up numbers with no backing?

:)

here's another link. Halo 3 managed 2008 as the most-played XBL game as well. I consider this one hefty dose of ownage to a reknowned Halo hater:D

[QUOTE="Eltormo"]

[QUOTE="scottiescott238"]but Halo is consistently more played on xbox live...Casboof

Since Halo reach,because all COD games had beat Halo 3,the first to beat it was COD4 barely a month after COD 4 was launch,considering that Halo is the xbox,and considering that Halo 2 was unmatched on the original xbox by any other game,and considering that Halo 3 came just 2 months before COD4 and was fresh when COD 4 launch is incredible what COD4 was able to do.

All 3 COD4,Waw and MW2 which was the current king pretty much since it launch up until a few weeks back,i say COD games are equaly as consistant.

No not at all. You can hardly find a match in WaW outside of zombies. CoD4 still has a decent population but still it has less then Halo 3. MW2 will probably drop off as well once Black Ops comes along. No CoD games seem to have staying power.

WAW is higher on the top 20 than COD4 is,it has been like that for a long time now.

I wonder how no COD game has staying power yet COD 4 was release on the same year just 2 months after Halo 3 was,and still to this day on the top 5 most played live games,in fact from last week top 20 the top 5 where 2 Halo games and 3 COD games,COD4,WAW and MW2 so how COD games don't have staying power when before Halo reach was release less than a month ago the top 4 most played games on xbox live were,MW2,Halo3,COD WAW and COD 4 that is 3 activision games on the same series on the top 5 COD was scorching xbox live.

This thread wasn't about COD vs Halo is was to know if MS them self were to blame for the popularity COD games had on 360 which surpass even Halo.

i see no evidence of anything

most fpses sell 8 to 9 milllion copies per gen per gAME

SO YA if they are good ones

like take a look at thsi list

goldeneye 8.1 million

perfect dark -8.0 million

halo 8.1 mill

halo 2 8.3 mill

halo 3 -wahts the sales on that im sure its at 8-9 million

halo odst-6 m?

cod 9 million each game

that is the average sales numbers for good fps games

[QUOTE="Eltormo"]

[QUOTE="scottiescott238"]but Halo is consistently more played on xbox live...HavocV3

Since Halo reach,because all COD games had beat Halo 3,the first to beat it was COD4 barely a month after COD 4 was launch,considering that Halo is the xbox,and considering that Halo 2 was unmatched on the original xbox by any other game,and considering that Halo 3 came just 2 months before COD4 and was fresh when COD 4 launch is incredible what COD4 was able to do.

All 3 COD4,Waw and MW2 which was the current king pretty much since it launch up until a few weeks back,i say COD games are equaly as consistant.

considering this link says Halo 3 was the most popular game of 2009.

I consider you incorrect.

considering I offer proof, links. would you consider it foolish of you to go around saying things like 'No link if VGChartz' while you go on making up numbers with no backing?

:)

here's another link. Halo 3 managed 2008 as the most-played XBL game as well. I consider this one hefty dose of ownage to a reknowned Halo hater:D

Activity on xbox live.

1-7 2008

Halo 3

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/01/15/live-activity-for-week-of-1-7.aspx

1-14

COD 4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/01/21/live-activity-for-week-of-1-14.aspx

1-21

Halo 3

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/xbox-360/xbox-live-activity-for-week-of-january-21-halo-3-back-on-top.html

1-28

COD4

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/xbox-360/xbox-live-activity-for-week-of-january-28-call-of-duty-4-up-on-top.html

2-4

COD4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/02/13/live-activity-for-week-of-2-4.aspx

2-11

COD4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/02/19/live-activity-for-week-of-2-11.aspx

2-18

COD4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/02/26/live-activity-for-week-of-2-18.aspx

2-25

COD4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/03/04/live-activity-for-week-of-2-25.aspx

3-3

COD 4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/03/11/live-activity-for-week-of-3-3.aspx

3- 10 missing.

3-17

COD4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/03/26/live-activity-for-week-of-3-17.aspx

3-24

COD4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/04/01/live-activity-for-week-of-3-24.aspx

3-31

COD4

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/xbox-360/xbox-live-activity-for-week-of-march-31.html

4-7

COD4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/04/15/live-activity-for-week-of-4-7.aspx

4-14

COD4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/04/23/live-activity-for-week-of-4-14.aspx

4-21

COD4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/04/29/live-activity-for-week-of-4-21.aspx

4-28

GTA 4 second COD4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/05/06/live-activity-for-week-of-4-28-gta-is-1.aspx

5-5

GTA 4 second COD4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/05/15/live-activity-for-week-of-5-5-gta-still-1.aspx

5-12 missing

5-19

GTA 4 COD4 second

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/05/27/live-activity-for-week-of-5-19.aspx

5-26

COD 4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/06/04/live-activity-for-week-of-5-26.aspx

6-2

COD 4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/06/11/live-activity-for-week-of-june-2nd.aspx

6-9

COD 4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/06/18/live-activity-for-week-of-june-9th.aspx

6-16

COD4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/06/25/live-activity-for-week-of-june-16th.aspx

6-23

COD 4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/07/02/live-activity-for-week-of-june-23rd.aspx

6-30

COD 4

http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/07/08/live-activity-for-week-of-june-30th.aspx

Ok let me make a pause here to analise the first 6 months of 2008.

From january to june Halo was on top of COD4 2 weeks,after that i got 2 weeks missing which i am sure COD 4 won them but i will not count them,notice i counted the ones GTA 4 was on top because Halo 3 was under COD 4 as well those week so they count as weeks that COD was on top,by the end of june COD 4 was beating Halo 3 as the top live game 22 weeks vs 2 weeks that is not even close in the first 6 months on 2008.

more to come.

You seem to have conveniently ignored a very rudimentary concept behind stats...which someone mentioned earlier on. The week stats you quote are only releveant to those weeks. As they are basedon unique users, CoD could have been ahead of Halo 3, but only by small amount. Halo 3 may have led by more significant numbers. Major Nelson's year-end stats for 2008 and 2009 support this idea.

Example, by unique users(uus):

• Month X, CoD 10 uus, Halo 3 9, end result CoDis number 1 for the month
• Month Y, CoD 10 uus, Halo 3 9, end result CoDis number 1 for the month
• Month Z, CoD 10 uus, Halo 3 15, end result Halo 3 is number 1 for the month

Hmmm. CoD led 2 of 3 months. It must be more popular right? By the # of months at number 1, yes. But unique users, absolutely not.

For the 3 month period, CoD 30 uus, Halo 3 33 uus. So Halo 3 is the real winner here. Major Nelson's year end stats are a better picture of usage than ranking by month.

Stats are fun, aren't they?

more to come.

Eltormo

sounds good. we'll be waiting with baited breath.

They are both popular games. Halo 3 has sold over 10 million and Reach just raked up $200,000,000.00 within 24 hours, so it is a win-win situation for Microsoft, I don't think they consider the two franchises as competitors.

Activision need to give CoD a rest though after this one. No more CoD for at least 3 years, please!