Is MSoft Stealing From Consumers?

http://www.sector9gaming.com/2008/09/is-xbox-360-price-drop-really-steal-or.html

my thoughts later

No, this is a free market, consumers don't have to buy it.

I have the right to sell my Used 360 Elite for $20,000, and if someone buys it, that's it. It's called Capitalism.

Is the $199.99 Xbox a good deal? I Don't think so, but it's up to consumers to do research.

If Sony had a 199 dollar PS3 with a 20 gig HDD no wireless connection, I'd be all over it.\

Its about choice.

PS3 80GB:

Playstation 3: Price: $399
Includes:
-80GB Hard Drive
-802.11b Wireless
-Blu-Ray disc player
-Controller
-1080p upscaling for DVD playback
-Free membership on Playstation Network

360 arcade:

20GB
199.99 Base Price
99.99 Hard Drive
99.99 802.11b wireless
29.99 3-month XBL Membership
429.94 Grand Total

120GB
199.99 Base Price
149.99 Hard Drive
99.99 802.11b wireless
29.99 3-month XBL Membership
479.94 Grand Total

I've seen that same ridiculous argument somewhere before....

If Sony had a 199 dollar PS3 with a 20 gig HDD no wireless connection, I'd be all over it.\

Its about choice.

-Ninja_Dog-

Uh, M$ doesn't even offer that, lol!

If Sony had a 199 dollar PS3 with a 20 gig HDD no wireless connection, I'd be all over it.\

Its about choice.

-Ninja_Dog-

[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

If Sony had a 299 dollar PS3 with a 20 gig HDD no wireless connection, I'd be all over it.\

Its about choice.

SolidTy

Uh, M$ doesn't even offer that, lol!

Yeah I know typo.Thanks.

[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

If Sony had a 199 dollar PS3 with a 20 gig HDD no wireless connection, I'd be all over it.\

Its about choice.

spike6566

Thanks again. Typo.

But this is silly argument.

Want to play games, you can pay 199 or 399 simple as that.

Want to drive to work, you can buy a Ford F-150 or a Ford F-350 simple as that.

its all marketing, and heck it works...you need to look at the target market for a product...most likely Microsoft's research has shown that in the USA, the lower price will appeal to those that can be labeled casuals, the type of person who dosnt know enough about the product, and quickly jumps on it.

Wii has done the same

Wii - 279.99

controller - 49.99

nunchuck - 24.99

classic control - 24.99

charging station fits 2 controllers - 29.99

in the end the price stacks up pretty high

if you get all the parts to each console the PS3 is the cheapest option, and that of most value

but not everyone for the 360 needs the $100 wifi, and not everyone on the wii needs the classic control.

so is this a steal?, no

but a dick move? I guess so, but thats marketing for you, almost every company finds a strategy to sell

People don't seem to understand the point of the 360 arcade. It is not 199.99 so you can go and buy everything that is available with the more expensive models extra, it is for the people that aren't going to be playing on live, downloading every map pack in Halo 3 and buying 100 songs in Rock Band. It is for the casuals, so by taking out the things the casuals aren't going to use anyway, they lower the price. If someone wanted a 120GB hard drive, they would buy the elite, adding it to the price of the arcade is actually quite ridiculous.Il_Exile_lI

I caught my 360 trying to crack my wall safe, it almost had the lock undone but then it RROD.Jynxzor

OMG!!! RROD is good confirmed.

[QUOTE="Il_Exile_lI"]People don't seem to understand the point of the 360 arcade. It is not 199.99 so you can go and buy everything that is available with the more expensive models extra, it is for the people that aren't going to be playing on live, downloading every map pack in Halo 3 and buying 100 songs in Rock Band. It is for the casuals, so by taking out the things the casuals aren't going to use anyway, they lower the price. If someone wanted a 120GB hard drive, they would buy the elite, adding it to the price of the arcade is actually quite ridiculous.spike6566

Man he's going to regret that.

But hes casual what does he know.

In Canada, FutureShop has the 60 Gb 360 at $299...including Gears of War and Star Wars: TFU, which is a >$100 bonus.

PS3....still no games bundled for the $399 model. Sony, where are the cheap bundles in NA?

PS3 80GB:

Playstation 3: Price: $399
Includes:
-80GB Hard Drive
-802.11b Wireless
-Blu-Ray disc player
-Controller
-1080p upscaling for DVD playback
-Free membership on Playstation Network

360 arcade:

20GB
199.99 Base Price
99.99 Hard Drive
99.99 802.11b wireless
29.99 3-month XBL Membership
429.94 Grand Total

120GB
199.99 Base Price
149.99 Hard Drive
99.99 802.11b wireless
29.99 3-month XBL Membership
479.94 Grand Total

zomgwtfbbqlol1

Your comparison makes no sense. I guess you didn't know that you can use any wireless adaptor with the 360 and they cost as little as $30.00. The ps3 doesn't ship with HD cables or mic but you assume everyone wants w-fi and Xbox Live Gold for the 360?

[QUOTE="spike6566"][QUOTE="Il_Exile_lI"]People don't seem to understand the point of the 360 arcade. It is not 199.99 so you can go and buy everything that is available with the more expensive models extra, it is for the people that aren't going to be playing on live, downloading every map pack in Halo 3 and buying 100 songs in Rock Band. It is for the casuals, so by taking out the things the casuals aren't going to use anyway, they lower the price. If someone wanted a 120GB hard drive, they would buy the elite, adding it to the price of the arcade is actually quite ridiculous.-Ninja_Dog-

Man he's going to regret that.

But hes casual what does he know.

but it was funny, after i showed him those games KZ2, RFOM 2, LBP, he was like WHEN DO THOSE GAMES COME OUT!!. so he seems to be pretty happy with his purchase.

[QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"]

PS3 80GB:

Playstation 3: Price: $399
Includes:
-80GB Hard Drive
-802.11b Wireless
-Blu-Ray disc player
-Controller
-1080p upscaling for DVD playback
-Free membership on Playstation Network

360 arcade:

20GB
199.99 Base Price
99.99 Hard Drive
99.99 802.11b wireless
29.99 3-month XBL Membership
429.94 Grand Total

120GB
199.99 Base Price
149.99 Hard Drive
99.99 802.11b wireless
29.99 3-month XBL Membership
479.94 Grand Total

Deihmos

Your comparison makes no sense. I guess you didn't know that you can use any wireless adaptor with the 360 and they cost as little as $30.00. The ps3 doesn't ship with HD cables or mic but you assume everyone wants w-fi and Xbox Live Gold for the 360?

EDIT: though etherway HDMI is $10.00...a mic is also like $10.00 (or wireless u can use any bluetooth headset $20.00)

EDIT 2: also its not what people want the articles point is M$ isnt giving you the most value, thats why they compaire it directly to what the PS3 has to offer.

"As you can see by the calculations, just to get 1/4 of the PS3's storage space and no Blu-Ray player (which, as of now, there seems to be no plan to offer), you're going to run a higher tab than you would buying the PS3 outright."

You know, most companies try to make money of there products. It shouldn't be a surprise that MS is trying to make money off their console after 3 years. The Wii has been out for 2 and it still hasn't had a price drop.JakeTD21

You know, most companies try to make money of there products. It shouldn't be a surprise that MS is trying to make money off their console after 3 years. The Wii has been out for 2 and it still hasn't had a price drop.JakeTD21

Same with the PS3. Been out for 2 without a price drop(at least in EU).

[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"]

PS3 80GB:

Playstation 3: Price: $399
Includes:
-80GB Hard Drive
-802.11b Wireless
-Blu-Ray disc player
-Controller
-1080p upscaling for DVD playback
-Free membership on Playstation Network

360 arcade:

20GB
199.99 Base Price
99.99 Hard Drive
99.99 802.11b wireless
29.99 3-month XBL Membership
429.94 Grand Total

120GB
199.99 Base Price
149.99 Hard Drive
99.99 802.11b wireless
29.99 3-month XBL Membership
479.94 Grand Total

zomgwtfbbqlol1

Your comparison makes no sense. I guess you didn't know that you can use any wireless adaptor with the 360 and they cost as little as $30.00. The ps3 doesn't ship with HD cables or mic but you assume everyone wants w-fi and Xbox Live Gold for the 360?

EDIT: though etherway HDMI is $10.00...a mic is also like $10.00 (or wireless u can use any bluetooth headset $20.00)

EDIT 2: also its not what people want the articles point is M$ isnt giving you the most value, thats why they compaire it directly to what the PS3 has to offer.

"As you can see by the calculations, just to get 1/4 of the PS3's storage space and no Blu-Ray player (which, as of now, there seems to be no plan to offer), you're going to run a higher tab than you would buying the PS3 outright."

But what this article fails to realize is that if someone wanted a harddrive, they could buy the 60GB 360 for 299 instead of buying the arcade and then adding on the harddrive. No one would do that. The arcade isn't for people that want a harddrive, it is for people that just want to play some casual games.

[QUOTE="JakeTD21"]You know, most companies try to make money of there products. It shouldn't be a surprise that MS is trying to make money off their console after 3 years. The Wii has been out for 2 and it still hasn't had a price drop.stappy

Same with the PS3. Been out for 2 without a price drop(at least in EU).

Really? The PS3 has already had two in the US.

For people like me, a console is merely a necessary price of entry to the games on that platform. If a console has better hardware extras but doesn't have the better library, is it really offering better value?

And if you want a harddrive, get the Pro. The Arcade model isn't for you.

[QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"]

PS3 80GB:

Playstation 3: Price: $399
Includes:
-80GB Hard Drive
-802.11b Wireless
-Blu-Ray disc player
-Controller
-1080p upscaling for DVD playback
-Free membership on Playstation Network

360 arcade:

20GB
199.99 Base Price
99.99 Hard Drive
99.99 802.11b wireless
29.99 3-month XBL Membership
429.94 Grand Total

120GB
199.99 Base Price
149.99 Hard Drive
99.99 802.11b wireless
29.99 3-month XBL Membership
479.94 Grand Total

Il_Exile_lI

Your comparison makes no sense. I guess you didn't know that you can use any wireless adaptor with the 360 and they cost as little as $30.00. The ps3 doesn't ship with HD cables or mic but you assume everyone wants w-fi and Xbox Live Gold for the 360?

EDIT: though etherway HDMI is $10.00...a mic is also like $10.00 (or wireless u can use any bluetooth headset $20.00)

EDIT 2: also its not what people want the articles point is M$ isnt giving you the most value, thats why they compaire it directly to what the PS3 has to offer.

"As you can see by the calculations, just to get 1/4 of the PS3's storage space and no Blu-Ray player (which, as of now, there seems to be no plan to offer), you're going to run a higher tab than you would buying the PS3 outright."

But what this article fails to realize is that if someone wanted a harddrive, they could buy the 60GB 360 for 299 instead of buying the arcade and then adding on the harddrive. No one would do that. The arcade isn't for people that want a harddrive, it is for people that just want to play some casual games.

also even if they changed it to the 60GB model it would still be 429.94, but it has 60GB instead lol

ur not understanding the purpose of the comparison...

[QUOTE="stappy"]

[QUOTE="JakeTD21"]You know, most companies try to make money of there products. It shouldn't be a surprise that MS is trying to make money off their console after 3 years. The Wii has been out for 2 and it still hasn't had a price drop.mattbbpl

Same with the PS3. Been out for 2 without a price drop(at least in EU).

Really? The PS3 has already had two in the US.

[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"]

PS3 80GB:

Playstation 3: Price: $399
Includes:
-80GB Hard Drive
-802.11b Wireless
-Blu-Ray disc player
-Controller
-1080p upscaling for DVD playback
-Free membership on Playstation Network

360 arcade:

20GB
199.99 Base Price
99.99 Hard Drive
99.99 802.11b wireless
29.99 3-month XBL Membership
429.94 Grand Total

120GB
199.99 Base Price
149.99 Hard Drive
99.99 802.11b wireless
29.99 3-month XBL Membership
479.94 Grand Total

zomgwtfbbqlol1

Your comparison makes no sense. I guess you didn't know that you can use any wireless adaptor with the 360 and they cost as little as $30.00. The ps3 doesn't ship with HD cables or mic but you assume everyone wants w-fi and Xbox Live Gold for the 360?

EDIT: though etherway HDMI is $10.00...a mic is also like $10.00 (or wireless u can use any bluetooth headset $20.00)

EDIT 2: also its not what people want the articles point is M$ isnt giving you the most value, thats why they compaire it directly to what the PS3 has to offer.

"As you can see by the calculations, just to get 1/4 of the PS3's storage space and no Blu-Ray player (which, as of now, there seems to be no plan to offer), you're going to run a higher tab than you would buying the PS3 outright."

I thought you took your time and typed that up. The article makes no sense then.

Just cause Sony has to eat alot of cash just to stay competive doesn't mean they have a better deal.

You can buy an 299 usd 360 model with 60 gigs hdd, that plays games just fine.

Wireless adapter, don't want it or need it.

Do I need Blu Ray to play games? Nope. GTA4 runs just fine on DVD9.

I bet Sony wishes they could drop more features to make it even cheaper to but the cant.

Again its about choice, do I get the base model or the luxury model, its about choice.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="stappy"]

[QUOTE="JakeTD21"]You know, most companies try to make money of there products. It shouldn't be a surprise that MS is trying to make money off their console after 3 years. The Wii has been out for 2 and it still hasn't had a price drop.zomgwtfbbqlol1

Same with the PS3. Been out for 2 without a price drop(at least in EU).

Really? The PS3 has already had two in the US.

Right. Which is why I said "Really?" in surprise.

Not doubting it didn't happen. I'm just surprised that it has already had two signiificant drops in one region and not the EU.

People on this forum always seem to think you're trying to attack them...

MS is trying to fool the parents. Moms dont do research so they look at the $199 price point and goes with it.PSP107

MS is trying to fool the parents. Moms dont do research so they look at the $199 price point and goes with it.PSP107

If you go into buying a major electronic product with no reasearch you get what you deserve.

Plus a young lads be sure and communicate with mum right.

[QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="stappy"]

[QUOTE="JakeTD21"]You know, most companies try to make money of there products. It shouldn't be a surprise that MS is trying to make money off their console after 3 years. The Wii has been out for 2 and it still hasn't had a price drop.mattbbpl

Same with the PS3. Been out for 2 without a price drop(at least in EU).

Really? The PS3 has already had two in the US.

Right. Which is why I said "Really?" in surprise.

Not doubting it didn't happen. I'm just surprised that it has already had two signiificant drops in one region and not the EU.

People on this forum always seem to think you're trying to attach them...

[QUOTE="PSP107"]MS is trying to fool the parents. Moms dont do research so they look at the $199 price point and goes with it.zomgwtfbbqlol1

...you should have text her.

sounded like a sarcastic "really" ... lolzomgwtfbbqlol1

Haha. Yeah, I should have changed my text tone. :)

[QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="stappy"]

[QUOTE="JakeTD21"]You know, most companies try to make money of there products. It shouldn't be a surprise that MS is trying to make money off their console after 3 years. The Wii has been out for 2 and it still hasn't had a price drop.mattbbpl

Same with the PS3. Been out for 2 without a price drop(at least in EU).

Really? The PS3 has already had two in the US.

Right. Which is why I said "Really?" in surprise.

Not doubting it didn't happen. I'm just surprised that it has already had two signiificant drops in one region and not the EU.

People on this forum always seem to think you're trying to attack them...

Our prices are annoying. $120(Converted from the local currency/cost) for a console game. Imagine the prices for a console, and you'll have a heart attack.

[QUOTE="PSP107"]MS is trying to fool the parents. Moms dont do research so they look at the $199 price point and goes with it.-Ninja_Dog-

If you go into buying a major electronic product with no reasearch you get what you deserve.

Plus a young lads be sure and communicate with mum right.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="stappy"]

[QUOTE="JakeTD21"]You know, most companies try to make money of there products. It shouldn't be a surprise that MS is trying to make money off their console after 3 years. The Wii has been out for 2 and it still hasn't had a price drop.stappy

Same with the PS3. Been out for 2 without a price drop(at least in EU).

Really? The PS3 has already had two in the US.

Right. Which is why I said "Really?" in surprise.

Not doubting it didn't happen. I'm just surprised that it has already had two signiificant drops in one region and not the EU.

People on this forum always seem to think you're trying to attack them...

Our prices are annoying. $120(Converted from the local currency/cost) for a console game. Imagine the prices for a console, and you'll have a heart attack.

[QUOTE="zomgwtfbbqlol1"] sounded like a sarcastic "really" ... lolmattbbpl

Haha. Yeah, I should have changed my text tone. :)

also u have the factor in the RRODPSP107

But the Sony PS3 crontroller is crap, I know thats an opinion, but since you seem fixated on little jabs on the 360 I figure I get some shots in too.

Yeah the 360 is the best console this generation. Plain and simple and I don't even like MS.