Is Ninja Gaiden still the best hack n slash action game ever?

@jg4xchamp: I knew that comment about GoW haters would face the fury of Picasso.

Yo man never forget "hur durr god of war actually has a story"...but it's like the shittiest one in a genre whose mainstays are a brick ninja, a whore, and a cheeky douchebag?

Never forget the whole premise of God of War 2 is Kratos being told by multiple don't be a dick, quit being a dick, if you take shit to Athens you're being a dick, he then gets punished by Zeus for being a dick, comes out of hell and wonders why he got punished for being a dick, only to then go on the biggest murder spree and buttfucks the planet.

God of War apologist: no fam, you play the villain, you don't understand it.

Except the sequel completely shits on that concept when Zeus is infected by evil or some shit, and homeboy is getting side tracked for the walking plot device that is that little brat Pandora, only for the game to end with Athena saying there is hope in Kratos, after he wrecked the entire planet. MOTHER FUCKER WHAT?!?!?! That is so preposterously stupid that they thought they could get away with that nonsense, and it should have been readily obvious to anyone capable of thinking while processing a story. But teh epic!! pfft

Surely in a world where Joel from The Last of Us exists, you would see the grand canyon like gap in terms of how well written one character is versus the other. Joel is an actual anti-hero, Kratos is just a dick. And all things being considered, the first game may have the structure of a Greek Tragedy, but it does an awful job of actually getting me to empathize with a clown who brings everything upon himself, and then proceeds to learn nothing.

@jg4xchamp: You seems very passionate on your hate towards GOW. That is known as butthurt. The game is probably doing something right if it is generally praised and fanboys like you get so butthurt about it but anyways, since your attitude is one of "GOW is not worthy of my superior gaming skills" then at least show me how you can easily dominate a game like GOW on the hardest settings. I mean if Bayonetta and NG are so over the top you could easily deal with GOW even on the special configurations where one hit and you're dead right? Let's see, or is your butthurt just that? ...butthurt?

I love both NG and GOW and I don't feel the need to undermine one against the other just to feel a pathetic sense of superiority that doesn't even exist.

I know you won't show anything and come up with a cheap excuse to justify your butthurt so whatever you say... fine, I'll just laugh at it.

Translation: Has no real argument or anything constructive to add, so downplay the person.

Everything you posted is your opinion and not based on reality until you can actually prove it so your arguments are lousy... again, try to beat GOW in higher difficulty levels without getting technical, mastering combos and utilizing weapons as they are meant to be used. Good luck...

Was the best ever since itakagi left the ninja gaiden is not the same anymore

@getyeryayasout:

This thread has had me seriously fiending for some NG2. Need dem Tonfas in my life.

DMC4 replay is up next for me though, then Furi. Might be a blood soaked NG2 Christmas though lol.

lol that'd be one hell of a costume unlock.

@ConanTheStoner: @getyeryayasout: that picture is me reminding you to play some ninja Gaiden for the holidays.

So Dom, the vita version is pretty easy by comparison?

Except anyone that knows their shit about the games in this genre can easily grasp why God of War's combat system isn't as technical as any of its contemporaries, right down to God of War's own devs making them and knowing their combat isn't up to snuff, and the story was just me giving a summary of what it is actually is. So, once you again you don't got shit. The only opinion in there is me saying whether the game is good or not, but the part where it's shallow, against its contemporaries. That's a cold hard fact sunshine.

"hur durr you do it" isn't an argument. You're being delusional.

His summary of the story of GOW isn't an opinion. It's the actual story. Kratos is a dick. He was told time and again not to be one. At the beginning of God of War 2 Athena told him to stop being a dick or he'd face the wrath of the gods and he just replied he'd be more of a dick.

The fact that the game sucks is his opinion. On that I'm with him. God of War(the whole series) does suck but is still jolly good fund in small doses.

LOL you guys can't even write a sentence without contradicting yourselves.

You never said that the game was overall less technical than others, a thing which I agree with, you said that the combat was lackluster, that weapons suck, etc. So you're trying to pass your butthurt opinions as facts. Learn to read your own rants.

Don't know as i've only played 2 NG games, that being the one on the original Xbox and the one on the 360. Both were really good, but the original Xbox one was the best one in my opinion.

@dakur: Huh what?

You realize that you wrote "the FACT that the game sucks is his OPINION"

So you're in one sentence saying that the game sucking is a fact but it's also opinion. FAIL

Nope. DMC 3>DMC 4> Castlevania: Lords of Shadow

Which reminds me, where the f**k is DMC 5, Capcom?

@dakur: You're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

On the contrary, english is not even my native language and I use it better than you.

@dakur: You sure as hell have a hard time understanding it.

I know at least that a fact is not an opinion and viceversa. While you seem to have a problem with that.

@dakur: Read the whole sentence as a whole and try to understand it. Should be pretty easy.

That is the whole sentence. What hidden meaning are you hoping people extract from it?

Also "Read the whole sentence as a whole..." is redundant. I think you have a basic language problem.

@dakur: No that's being on a mobile phone. There's no hidden meaning. It's painfully obvious but you're acting like a smartass. It'd be funny if you were right at least.

When I read hack n slash I think Devil May Cry.

Well I just ordered me some Ninja Gaiden Sigma. Makes me wonder what I did with my copies of this game, and what I had it for. I think I had original xbox version and maybe something on 360..

@Juub1990: So what is it? a fact or an opinion that the game sucks? Because that sentence is as ambiguous as it gets.

@dakur: The fact that the game sucks is an opinion of him. He thinks the game sucks so for him it's a fact that it does. Know what I mean? His opinion to him is a fact.

What you wanted to say is: "That the game sucks is his opinion". The concept of 'fact' entails that there is evidence for something and that something can be proven. You cannot prove an opinion. He can analyze the game using facts and conclude that the game sucks, but other people, using the same facts, could conclude that the game is great. That's why the actual interpretation of the facts cannot be a fact itself, it is just an opinion.

@dakur: True and that's the whole point of the word opinion. That's also what I mean. From his own perspective his opinion is a fact. Kinda like for a child someone 5'6" being tall is a fact because of his own perspective. Same reason we always say "X or Y sucks" when the correct wording should be "I think X or Y sucks" but most people do not do that. They say it as a fact assuming we already know it is their opinion so no need to emphasize it.

Ok, I expect that a child confuses opinions with facts but he is a grown man (I assume) and he should know better.

Except he is not confusing opinions with fact. That's his perspective. A perspective is the way you perceive something, not merely an opinion. Reality as a whole is a matter of perspective and mostly subjective. That's why I said "The fact the game sucks is his opinion". I'm looking at it from his perspective. Just like I'd say "The fact that this blanket is red(when it's really brown) is his perspective" to a colorblind person. The blanket IS actually red to them. People state opinions all the time as if they were facts because from their point of view they are which is why my sentence was worded from champ's point of view.

But then you're using the concept of fact incorrectly since facts are universal truths. That's why it is a fact that gravity exists, even if you are born in a space ship and you never experience the pull of gravity, gravity will exist since its existence it's not based on your particular perspective. Facts are independent from subjective perspectives everything else is interpretation or opinion. A color blind person interprets color differently from their perspective but the structural composition of the color is still a fact that is independent from any person's perspective. That's why it's important to make a difference.

Many including me would argue that doesn't even exist. Not everyone even agrees with universality.

That's why I claim that lems live in a constant delusion.

Good luck proving universality is a fact. Some schools of thought have been at it for centuries lol.

Because neither of those things would translate into a game being more shallow than any of its major contemporaries which have pretty objective examples of why they don't have the same problem? Are you dense? If you want to get overly obtuse about this, I also never called the game button smashy or easy, yet your go to routine was "well if you played God of War 2 on Titan", without once considering that same logic would still apply to the deeper games, and as a result they would still play better: Not the least of which is because games like Ninja Gaiden and Bayonetta change entire encounter layouts on higher difficulties.

Yeah, he's the one who brought that shit up lol. Straw man 101.

God of War fanboys have this "me too" attitude regarding difficulty, when it completely misses the point. The difficulty in these other more technical games is partially a byproduct of having more sophisticated systems anyways. And it wouldn't be difficult at all for the GoW games to be re-balanced in such a way that makes them far more difficult than the other games in question, but it still doesn't address the shortcomings of the battle system itself. It seems like such an obvious thing, but *woosh* right over their heads. This idea that a game being hard means it earned its place in the genre is so dumb lol.

As for his button masher straw man, it's a silly point. You could just mindlessly mash buttons through a lot of the encounters, sure, but it's obviously not ideal and not always possible. Congratulations God of War series, you were created in an era when true button masher games were on their death bed. Thinking about the next button press actually carries some significance. Here's a prize for being in line with contemporary action gaming baseline standards.

Man this thread got grammar salty...

I can't knock the entirety of GoW having only played bits and pieces of a few of the games, but I can say that the experiences I did have left me feeling less about the game play and more about the spectacle ... something ninja Gaiden did the oposite of. In Gaiden I get excited by things like the shape of the arena I'm fighting in leaving me opportunities to explore different tactics and approaches. I feel inward about the gameplay. I actually don't care who I'm fighting for or against, I just want another sequence of me facing overwhelming odds and to use my gaming intelligence to work myself through... That's where ninja Gaiden separates itself for me.

@TheEroica:

Yeah, that's me. I give no fucks about the story or context, and most of the time I skip cutscenes anyways.

I find myself enjoying stuff like the mission modes in Ninja Gaiden, the witch trials in Bayonetta, the Bloody Palace in DMC, etc. more than the main games themselves. Or at least that's where I get the most mileage with these games. Just pure combat against hordes of enemies, that's my shit lol.

@ConanTheStoner: testing your metal.... Conan style.

What's your go to weapon in NG1?

@TheEroica:

I mix it up depending on the enemy/boss type, but over the years I've settled on the Lunar Staff being my fav. I like the range and the combo potential. I usually just pair that up with the default shuriken for extra air time, combo potential, and defensive mobility.

Lunar Staff UT's in NG2 FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

@ConanTheStoner: @jg4xchamp: I can't deny the lunar staff either... Its a monster of a weapon. I also check in the dual blades from time to time. I found the boomerang shuriken (can't think if it's real name) in an ally near the bar. I like.

I cleared level 10 last night on vita. I love the way that game challenges the player. Be smooth or be dead.

@TheEroica:

Oh yeah, the windmill shuriken is beast mode against certain enemy types and is a great way to dispatch those annoying laser shooting air drones if you're low on arrows.

I like the dual katanas, but I feel they weren't fully realized until NG2. Their combos in Sigma just kinda tapered off instead of wrapping up with a satisfying crunch. Just felt a tad underdeveloped. I think Itagaki had them in the works for NG2 at the time and Hayashi just tried to squeeze a beta version of them into NGS. It's not that they were bad, but after the novelty wore off I couldn't really think of a reason to choose them over the Dragon Sword or the Kitetsu + Tranquility Armlet.

And yeah, these games don't bend for the player one bit lol. I always loved how even the most bullshit 'fodder' enemy can wreck your shit if you don't stay on your toes.

Visual poetry bro. So god damn satisfying lol. I'm more of a Tonfa fanboy when it comes to NG2, but they really nailed all the weapons in that game.