They are all geniuses!! At the end of the day, HD isnt a must have yet, most people dont have it, so theres need of supporting it. As with online, if its like the DS i shall be fine.
They sell because its a Nintendo system. Every day there's 10 topics from people asking about where the online games are, in the Wii forum.Shirley_Temple
Well they have stopped saying ppl don't want online, its just HD now.
On the HD side, yes. HD may be the future, but the majority of US households do not own an HDTV. So marketing an HD game system doesn't yet have the mass appeal needed to justify the extra cost. That is why Nintendo went with a lower priced system without HD and insane hardware and is able to out-sell the competition, for now.
[QUOTE="shsonline"][QUOTE="Majatt"]Nintendo said we didn't want online...Xbox gave us Online...Xbox (even with rampant piracy of the games) barely outsold the GC.
Nintendo said HD isn't important...PS3 and the 360 give us HD and the Wii is selling like hotcakes.
Not saying that I agree with them, but its kinda weird how what they say SEEMS to work out. Majatt
You're really grasping for straws there. how?
Outselling the GC (a system with a decades established fanbase vs a newly debuting system with no preestablished fanbase) barely or not, makes Nintendo wrong. Otherwise they would have stayed with a nononline system this gen (even if their online right now is still wayyyy behind).
The Wii "selling like hotcakes" really doesn't have anything to do with it NOT having HD. It's not because it DOESN'T have HD that Japanese people are buying alot of Wiis.
XBL has 6+ million users...so now, in that aspect, they were dead wrong.
As for HD gaming...while i don't think it's needed, i think that it's welcome. The Wii is selling off of the launch still and is selling very well. The Xbox 360 is still selling well also though (outselling the Wii over christmas and the Wii was the newer console), so that would contradict that entire argument.
In this modern world, Nothing is right OR wrong, aoutside of absolute logic, like " that car is red". In this world, no matter how much you back up an opinion, there are going to be people who agree, and people who dissgaree with every word you say.
[QUOTE="Shirley_Temple"]They sell because its a Nintendo system. Every day there's 10 topics from people asking about where the online games are, in the Wii forum.Majatt
Well they have stopped saying ppl don't want online, its just HD now.
I'm saying they haven't delivered the goods, and yet it doesn't matter because people will still buy it because its Nintendo, these consumers are people who have no idea of Nintendo's plans to offer online, hell some may even believe that the Wii is graphically as good as a 360 (if there are still people who think global warming isn't real, then people like that exist).
[QUOTE="Majatt"][QUOTE="Shirley_Temple"]They sell because its a Nintendo system. Every day there's 10 topics from people asking about where the online games are, in the Wii forum.Shirley_Temple
Well they have stopped saying ppl don't want online, its just HD now.
I'm saying they haven't delivered the goods, and yet it doesn't matter because people will still buy it because its Nintendo, these consumers are people who have no idea of Nintendo's plans to offer online, hell some may even believe that the Wii is graphically as good as a 360 (if there are still people who think global warming isn't real, then people like that exist).
[QUOTE="Majatt"][QUOTE="shsonline"][QUOTE="Majatt"]Nintendo said we didn't want online...Xbox gave us Online...Xbox (even with rampant piracy of the games) barely outsold the GC.
Nintendo said HD isn't important...PS3 and the 360 give us HD and the Wii is selling like hotcakes.
Not saying that I agree with them, but its kinda weird how what they say SEEMS to work out. shsonline
You're really grasping for straws there. how?
Outselling the GC (a system with a decades established fanbase vs a newly debuting system with no preestablished fanbase) barely or not, makes Nintendo wrong. Otherwise they would have stayed with a nononline system this gen (even if their online right now is still wayyyy behind).
The Wii "selling like hotcakes" really doesn't have anything to do with it NOT having HD. It's not because it DOESN'T have HD that Japanese people are buying alot of Wiis.
So yes, sir. You're grasping for straws. but I don't agree with them, I was just saying the trend seems to prove them right so how am I graping at straws? PS2 online sucked and it sold over 100milion...how was online a deciding factor? Wii doesn't have HD and its selling, how is HD a factor? It just seems like they were kinda right.
On the HD side, yes. HD may be the future, but the majority of US households do not own an HDTV. So marketing an HD game system doesn't yet have the mass appeal needed to justify the extra cost. That is why Nintendo went with a lower priced system without HD and insane hardware and is able to out-sell the competition, for now.Darth matt
Fairly good point. I think Nintendo knows that they shouldnt rush things and that they should contine trying to appeal to the kiddie + casual market. Heck they could come out with the "Wii 2". In 2 years and people would buy it.Â
[QUOTE="shsonline"][QUOTE="Majatt"][QUOTE="shsonline"][QUOTE="Majatt"]Nintendo said we didn't want online...Xbox gave us Online...Xbox (even with rampant piracy of the games) barely outsold the GC.
Nintendo said HD isn't important...PS3 and the 360 give us HD and the Wii is selling like hotcakes.
Not saying that I agree with them, but its kinda weird how what they say SEEMS to work out. Majatt
You're really grasping for straws there. how?
Outselling the GC (a system with a decades established fanbase vs a newly debuting system with no preestablished fanbase) barely or not, makes Nintendo wrong. Otherwise they would have stayed with a nononline system this gen (even if their online right now is still wayyyy behind).
The Wii "selling like hotcakes" really doesn't have anything to do with it NOT having HD. It's not because it DOESN'T have HD that Japanese people are buying alot of Wiis.
So yes, sir. You're grasping for straws. but I don't agree with them, I was just saying the trend seems to prove them right so how am I graping at straws? PS2 online sucked and it sold over 100milion...how was online a deciding factor? Wii doesn't have HD and its selling, how is HD a factor? It just seems like they were kinda right.
So if I said Microsoft is right:
They brought us online and they beat Nintendo last gen and are beating Sony and Nintendo this gen and everybody's doing online now.
They brought us HD with Xbox and now Sony is doing HD now and 360 is outselling Sony and Nintendo this gen, so they were right.
See, I took two things out of context and then said Microsoft was right. Basically that's what you did.
Nintendo said we didn't want online...Xbox gave us Online...Xbox (even with rampant piracy of the games) barely outsold the GC.
Nintendo said HD isn't important...PS3 and the 360 give us HD and the Wii is selling like hotcakes.
Not saying that I agree with them, but its kinda weird how what they say SEEMS to work out. Majatt
Nintendo sells because it's for kids. It's no different than the movie business, usually the films that are geared towards children make the most money. As long as there are children, Nintendo will continue to be successful.
Its a Nintendo system that is inexpensive compared to the competition and the previous generation system by that company is dead. It also launches with one of the most popular franchises ever in Zelda. Anyone who didn't think this thing would sell would have to be an idiot.
With that said I think they are wrong for not at least supporting 720p. They could have made a system that is worse than the 360/PS3 but still supports 720p. My video cards in my computer have supported 720p since they first introduced 3d acceleration. I personally have a HDTV which costs many times more than all 3 next generation systems combined and am not considering anything that does not take advantage of it. It feels like a step backwards. On top of that they really cheaped out on the sound aspect of the system. Sound for me is a HUGE part of the gaming experience. Dolby Pro Logic 2 is just garbage and actually quite embarassing in this day and age considering even the xbox1 and PS2 could deliver DD5.1.
They sell because its a Nintendo system. Every day there's 10 topics from people asking about where the online games are, in the Wii forum.Shirley_Temple
WRONG... that's the PS3. I ask people all the time why they like PS3.... they say because it's made by "SONY"
They brought us online and they beat Nintendo last gen and are beating Sony and Nintendo this gen and everybody's doing online now.
They brought us HD with Xbox and now Sony is doing HD now and 360 is outselling Sony and Nintendo this gen, so they were right.
See, I took two things out of context and then said Microsoft was right. Basically that's what you did. shsonline
No cuz MS didn't 'win' last gen, Sony did...with little to no online offering.
MS had a year headstart and their lead has been cut almost in half, in the space of 3 months by Nintendo, so no again. Nintendo had the most successful launch window this gen, and they did it without HD.
This Gen Nintendo admits online is a factor, and this gen everyone is doing online (i'm not saying its cuz nintendo said to do online, this is the trend), I wanted online for the GC last gen...so badly but in terms of mass market appeal it just looks like nintendo is right.
They brought us online and they beat Nintendo last gen and are beating Sony and Nintendo this gen and everybody's doing online now.
They brought us HD with Xbox and now Sony is doing HD now and 360 is outselling Sony and Nintendo this gen, so they were right.
See, I took two things out of context and then said Microsoft was right. Basically that's what you did. Majatt
No cuz MS didn't 'win' last gen, Sony did...with little to no online offering.
MS had a year headstart and their lead has been cut almost in half, in the space of 3 months by Nintendo, so no again. Nintendo had the most successful launch window this gen, and they did it without HD.
This Gen Nintendo admits online is a factor, and this gen everyone is doing online (i'm not saying its cuz nintendo said to do online, this is the trend), I wanted online for the GC last gen...so badly but in terms of mass market appeal it just looks like nintendo is right. Sony did have online, stop trying to make it like they had no online just so you can act like online isn't needed, there were many games that had online abilities for the PS2.
Nintendo were and are right, the percentage of console owners that actually played games online last gen was far lower than those that did, just as that percentage of hdtv owners is lower than those with sdtv's. They are and were right when they said this, not that it helped their sales or anything but that was more advertising and game diversity based than online functions last generation.Â
Nintendo said we didn't want online...Xbox gave us Online...Xbox (even with rampant piracy of the games) barely outsold the GC.
Nintendo said HD isn't important...PS3 and the 360 give us HD and the Wii is selling like hotcakes.
Not saying that I agree with them, but its kinda weird how what they say SEEMS to work out. Majatt
Online gaming is far more important than HD, in fact, I think the Cube could have done much better if it had more online games. Imagine all the great party games that the Cube was known for (Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Mario Party, etc..), now imagine them online. Not only that, most multi-platform Cube games lacked the great multiplayer online experience offered on Xbox and sometimes PS2. Online games for Wii are coming and they'll probably be great but I think very few people will actually care about HD resolution during this generation, 480p is enough for most people, especially for the casual audience Nintendo is trying to court.
As to your question, if Nintendo is right or not, when it comes to online gaming I think they were wrong. Nintendo could have at least had a few online games (more than Phantasy Star) on the Gamecube in order to have some sort of multiplayer online infrastructure ready for the Wii at launch. Simply put, the Wii's lack of early online games is due to Nintendo's ignorance of online gaming on consoles. As for HD, they're not wrong there because most the people Nintendo are going after are not particularly interested and don't have the means to produce HD resolution on their TVs and the hardcore gaming audience will forgive them so long as Zelda, Mario, Metriod and others can run on 480p and offer a satisfying gaming experience, and they will.
Now online is needed, and that's what they're working on. The reason they say H.D. doesn't matter, is because not enough people have HD T.V.s to make that extra cost to the console worthwhile. I think they were a little surprised by X-Box live's success however.
Sony did have online, stop trying to make it like they had no online just so you can act like online isn't needed, there were many games that had online abilities for the PS2. I never said sony didn't but how much did Sony push online? even the GC had an online game, but it doesn't seem like it ended up being a large factor. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop trying to words in my posts. I never said online wasn't needed, actually I wanted more of it.
Simply put, the Wii's lack of early online games is due to Nintendo's ignorance of online gaming on consoles. As for HD, they're not wrong there because most the people Nintendo are going after are not particularly interested and don't have the means to produce HD resolution on their TVs and the hardcore gaming audience will forgive them so long as Zelda, Mario, Metriod and others can run on 480p and offer a satisfying gaming experience, and they will. Master_Hermes
really good point, especially if there was some sort of first party push for online last gen. I figured their foray with the DS would've taught them a few lessons (like friend codes are a pain).
[QUOTE="Shirley_Temple"]They sell because its a Nintendo system. Every day there's 10 topics from people asking about where the online games are, in the Wii forum.Majatt
Well they have stopped saying ppl don't want online, its just HD now. they didnt say no one wants HD. They said since their isnt a big audience of HD Users, theirs no point until its mainstream, which i agree with..
[QUOTE="shsonline"][QUOTE="Majatt"]Nintendo said we didn't want online...Xbox gave us Online...Xbox (even with rampant piracy of the games) barely outsold the GC.
Nintendo said HD isn't important...PS3 and the 360 give us HD and the Wii is selling like hotcakes.
Not saying that I agree with them, but its kinda weird how what they say SEEMS to work out. AvinashTyagi
You're really grasping for straws there. Its the truth, Ninty knows what people really want
No they don't, I haven't touched a nintendo system since they don't have online, they could have an online system like the PS2 and I wouldn't care.
Are you a person or a body of consumers? Or on Nintendo's payroll? Do YOU want online? Do YOU want HD? That's all I'm concerned with. Why are you different?
Nintendo is basicly the #1 developer and you have to have there console to play there games that is why they sell. I am a huge fan of Nintendo but I enjoy online occationaly and HD is nice but not needed.
[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="shsonline"][QUOTE="Majatt"]Nintendo said we didn't want online...Xbox gave us Online...Xbox (even with rampant piracy of the games) barely outsold the GC.
Nintendo said HD isn't important...PS3 and the 360 give us HD and the Wii is selling like hotcakes.
Not saying that I agree with them, but its kinda weird how what they say SEEMS to work out. Magical_Guy
You're really grasping for straws there. Its the truth, Ninty knows what people really want
No they don't, I haven't touched a nintendo system since they don't have online, they could have an online system like the PS2 and I wouldn't care.
You're only one person, the public at large apparantly disagrees with you
Are you a person or a body of consumers? Or on Nintendo's payroll? Do YOU want online? Do YOU want HD? That's all I'm concerned with. Why are you different?AfterShafter
Your bats**t crazy aren't you?...I like it. I want a unified cross the board network platform to allow interplay between multiplats and a 'global' (all countries, all systems) raking tables. I want friend codes to be a bad dream. I want a tv screen to take up my whole bedroom wall and a surround system that utilizes more speakers than a Harvard Business student can count. I want to be on Nintendo's payroll, they are making a crapload of money off everything from the DS to VC, so I can buy games for all the consoles. I want games that push so many polygons I question reality....but i'll settle for amazon having the Wii in stock so we outside the US can get some wii love too. oh and as much as I hate friend codes...I only want online so i don't have to leave home to play against the guys and to take part in the occasional tournament so I guess they aren't that bad.
Nintendo does whatever will cost them the least, because they know the drooling fanboys will buy whatever piece of outdated garbage they slap their name on.
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