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#1 machitocaliente
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NVIDIA says that now your Xbox 360's graphics have been officialy overtaken by a notebook GPU ( The 8700M)

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http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/best-graphics-to-go/new-nvidia-8700m-gt-rendering-looks-better-than-xbox-360-268357.php

"The 8700M GT has the same 32 Stream Processors of the 8600M GT, but it has increased the frequency of the GPU to 625MHz from 472 MHz. The shader processor has also seen an increase, from 950MHz to 1,250MHz, the same as the memory bus, which now clocks at 800MHz instead of the 700MHz"

basically the 8700MGT is faster than the "vanilla 8600gt" but similar to the XFX 8600GT XXX

i say "similar" because the XFX 8600GT XXX version has even higher shader clock than the 8700MGT

8700MGT specs

and now the XFX 8600GTXXX specs

Stream Processors32

Core clock620 MHz (you can do 725 )

Shader clock1350 MHZ

Memory clock800 MHZ

specks taken from here

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/426/4/

http://www.guru3d.com/article/content/426/22/

nvidia says the 8700GM /8600GTXXX - whatever you want to call it- is superior to the xbox 360

better shadows

and better parallax

and guess what? the 8600GT XXX is a cheap mid end videocard. ( less than $150)


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#2 SergeantSnitch
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Wait, what? I'm confused. The screens you posted show better shadows in the 360 version compared to the PC.
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#3 machitocaliente
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Wait, what? I'm confused. The screens you posted show better shadows in the 360 version compared to the PC.SergeantSnitch

yes you are confused. the 360 shadows look aliased.

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[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]Wait, what? I'm confused. The screens you posted show better shadows in the 360 version compared to the PC.machitocaliente

yes you are confused. the 360 shadows look aliased.



Hmmm, it's kind of hard to tell with the small screens but the 360 shadows look more...believable and bigger.
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Wow I am surprised...that Ati's rival company would say their product is better :roll:

Furthermore, I'm not surprised that a brand new card would beat one that's 2 years old.

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#6 machitocaliente
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here

here

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[QUOTE="machitocaliente"]

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]Wait, what? I'm confused. The screens you posted show better shadows in the 360 version compared to the PC.SergeantSnitch

yes you are confused. the 360 shadows look aliased.



Hmmm, it's kind of hard to tell with the small screens but the 360 shadows look more...believable and bigger.

The PC has a bit softer shadows.

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#8 machitocaliente
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Wow I am surprised...that Ati's rival company would say their product is better :roll:

Furthermore, I'm not surprised that a brand new card would beat one that's 2 years old.

SgtWhiskeyjack

yes. im also surprised. "the brand new card" cost less than $150 and beats the 360

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what's the point of this? you can't claim ownage from a natural progression of technology. the 360's GPU is over a year old, of course it wasgoing to be surpassed.
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#10 tool_rage
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i lost a bit of respect for Nvidia after seeing those GeForce 8 vs. Console pics.
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#11 SgtWhiskeyjack
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[QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

Wow I am surprised...that Ati's rival company would say their product is better :roll:

Furthermore, I'm not surprised that a brand new card would beat one that's 2 years old.

machitocaliente

yes. im also surprised. "the brand new card" cost less than $150 and beats the 360

The 360's card also costs less than $150, or have you forgotten that a 360 is not just a GPU, but all the other stuff that makes up a console as well.

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#12 mavven
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Less then 150$??!!:shock:
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what's the point of this? you can't claim ownage from a natural progression of technology. the 360's GPU is over a year old, of course it wasgoing to be surpassed.Mordred19

im not claming anything. most 360 fans here claim the 8600GTXXX is "garbage" and the 360 "is superior"

im just showing you the truth. The 8600GTXXX is superior

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[QUOTE="Mordred19"]what's the point of this? you can't claim ownage from a natural progression of technology. the 360's GPU is over a year old, of course it wasgoing to be surpassed.machitocaliente

im not claming anything. most 360 fans here claim the 8600GTXXX is "garbage" and the 360 "is superior"

im just showing you the truth. The 8600GTXXX is superior

Link to one of these claims? I haven't seen one.

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#15 Truth_Hurts_U
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2 Years later and they finally make something better then the 360 GPU...

Must suck for PS3 owners. They have an outdated GPU.

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[QUOTE="machitocaliente"]

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]what's the point of this? you can't claim ownage from a natural progression of technology. the 360's GPU is over a year old, of course it wasgoing to be surpassed.SgtWhiskeyjack

im not claming anything. most 360 fans here claim the 8600GTXXX is "garbage" and the 360 "is superior"

im just showing you the truth. The 8600GTXXX is superior

Link to one of these claims? I haven't seen one.

slow day? look at the pics, and read again

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[QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"][QUOTE="machitocaliente"]

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]what's the point of this? you can't claim ownage from a natural progression of technology. the 360's GPU is over a year old, of course it wasgoing to be surpassed.machitocaliente

im not claming anything. most 360 fans here claim the 8600GTXXX is "garbage" and the 360 "is superior"

im just showing you the truth. The 8600GTXXX is superior

Link to one of these claims? I haven't seen one.

slow day? look at the pics, and read again

Not the pics, a link to where most 360 fans here claim the 8600GTXXX is "garbage" and the 360 "is superior"

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hmm...maybe I should build myself a PC but if you put all the componets together it's still expensive , prolly more than a PS3. The only thing i want from a PC is crysis.
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Meh, I'm not impressed. A few years back, the CPU in my PC was outpaced by those in Pocket PC's; now THAT'S embarrassing.
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[QUOTE="machitocaliente"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"][QUOTE="machitocaliente"]

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]what's the point of this? you can't claim ownage from a natural progression of technology. the 360's GPU is over a year old, of course it wasgoing to be surpassed.SgtWhiskeyjack

im not claming anything. most 360 fans here claim the 8600GTXXX is "garbage" and the 360 "is superior"

im just showing you the truth. The 8600GTXXX is superior

Link to one of these claims? I haven't seen one.

slow day? look at the pics, and read again

Not the pics, a link to where most 360 fans here claim the 8600GTXXX is "garbage" and the 360 "is superior"

just posting a few...

"The 8600GT is garbage" ( and then procceds 2 post incorrect benchmarks from the vanilla version)

"the 8600GT is terrible" ( and then procceds 2 talk about gears of war)

" the 8600gt is a gimped card" (and then procceds 2 talk nonsenses)

"Shame on you, this is just a bad lie" ( and then procceds 2 dange control)

"the 8600 is garbage....it could never run Gears of War at repectable settings "

do a search

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hmm...maybe I should build myself a PC but if you put all the componets together it's still expensive , prolly more than a PS3. The only thing i want from a PC is crysis.turgore

you definitely should. is whaay cheaper than a ps3 or 360 + DH TV + gamez. ( hint im playing a lot of free gamez)

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#22 freshfighter83
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Thats a really bad example of how powerful the card is, of course the card would be more powerful then the 360 being newer tech but we need better pics. I think the 360 shadows looked better, I got mixed up andI thought they were the 8600.
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#23 Bill_McBlumpkin
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WAIT! Nvidia (ATI's major competitor) has claimed that their product is superior?!?!?!

STOP THE PRESSES!

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#24 pundog
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So your point is? Technology improves over time? A 2 year old GPU will eventually become obsolete? Nvidia likes to take shots at the competition? Not exactly eye opening thoughts there.

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i find it funny when lemmings bash cows for there gpu being out dated. but when someone shows them a 150.00 gpu that pwns the gpu that is found in the 360, the lemmings all of sudden want to throw the 360 gpu is outdated , of course 8600 will out run it. here in SW we have a word for that its called HYPOCRITES
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#26 shadow8585
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Personally I like the look of the Xbox 360s shadows better, and as for graphics of Lost Planet, I doubt a notebook PC will be able to look better than Lost Planet did on my friends Xbox 360 Elite w/ 55 inch 1080p tv... Your also acting like Xbox 360 has reached its limit...it hasn't and the pc version of lost planet, if its coming will have had more dev. time...
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#27 FanGirl_22
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Guess that means that the PS3's GPU has been squashed as well. Oh no! And... the Wii's cardtoo!!! What? Double oh noes! A PC card can outdo a console's card? Say it's not so daddy! ;)

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[QUOTE="Mordred19"]what's the point of this? you can't claim ownage from a natural progression of technology. the 360's GPU is over a year old, of course it wasgoing to be surpassed.machitocaliente

im not claming anything. most 360 fans here claim the 8600GTXXX is "garbage" and the 360 "is superior"

im just showing you the truth. The 8600GTXXX is superior

You are using a very strong word "superior", for a card that simply has a few tunups for the shadows are you serious???

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i find it funny when lemmings bash cows for there gpu being out dated. but when someone shows them a 150.00 gpu that pwns the gpu that is found in the 360, the lemmings all of sudden want to throw the 360 gpu is outdated , of course 8600 will out run it. here in SW we have a word for that its called HYPOCRITESalfy13

You are guys are acting like this card is the next best thing sense slice bread, there are a few and I mean few adjustments to the shadows in lost planet. Other than that they are the same and secondly the footprints look better on the 360 than the pc. If you think while I'm playing lost planet that I'm sitting there looking at the shawdows to make sure they are not jaggy your nuts.

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[QUOTE="alfy13"]i find it funny when lemmings bash cows for there gpu being out dated. but when someone shows them a 150.00 gpu that pwns the gpu that is found in the 360, the lemmings all of sudden want to throw the 360 gpu is outdated , of course 8600 will out run it. here in SW we have a word for that its called HYPOCRITESxscrapzx

You are guys are acting like this card is the next best thing sense slice bread,

- reminds me of xboxt talking about gears / difference is im showing you facts not fiction -

I'm playing lost planet that I'm sitting there looking at the shawdows to make sure they are not jaggy your nuts.

hey, im sorry. talk to nvidia. they are the ones pointing the obvious differences.

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I guess the ATI 2600 HD will beat the 8600gtxx. :|

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I believe a similar model is included in the new MacBook Pro, which is totally rad. It's a great upgrade from the gimped ATI one in the previous model.
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at least the 360 is considered the system to beat.
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[QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

Not the pics, a link to where most 360 fans here claim the 8600GTXXX is "garbage" and the 360 "is superior"

machitocaliente

just posting a few...

"The 8600GT is garbage" ( and then procceds 2 post incorrect benchmarks from the vanilla version)

"the 8600GT is terrible" ( and then procceds 2 talk about gears of war)

" the 8600gt is a gimped card" (and then procceds 2 talk nonsenses)

"Shame on you, this is just a bad lie" ( and then procceds 2 dange control)

"the 8600 is garbage....it could never run Gears of War at repectable settings "

do a search

After doing multiple searches, I found none of these claims :roll:

Thanks for wasting my time on a lie.

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#35 OhSnapitz
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I'm sorry but why are hermits so vocal about vid cards being able to beat out the 360... :|

1. The PS3 is said to be more powerful than the 360 (which I believe to an extent) and yet once again (just like last gen) hermits are focusing their energies on M$'s console.. :|

2. PC tech is constantly upgrading.. Why on bloody earth would you continue to compare it to a closed platform is beyond me...

carry on...

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[QUOTE="machitocaliente"]

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]Wait, what? I'm confused. The screens you posted show better shadows in the 360 version compared to the PC.SergeantSnitch

yes you are confused. the 360 shadows look aliased.



Hmmm, it's kind of hard to tell with the small screens but the 360 shadows look more...believable and bigger.

no, just stop when your ahead
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[QUOTE="turgore"]hmm...maybe I should build myself a PC but if you put all the componets together it's still expensive , prolly more than a PS3. The only thing i want from a PC is crysis.machitocaliente

you definitely should. is whaay cheaper than a ps3 or 360 + DH TV + gamez. ( hint im playing a lot of free gamez)

I actually liked you until I read the end of that sentence. Shame on you.

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the amazing thing is not that the graphics are superior, but rather that the card is that cheap.
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#39 Einhanderkiller
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i lost a bit of respect for Nvidia after seeing those GeForce 8 vs. Console pics.tool_rage

Why? All those screens are showing is the graphical difference between Lost Planet on the 360 and Lost Planet on a mid-range PC videocard.
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what's the point of this? you can't claim ownage from a natural progression of technology. the 360's GPU is over a year old, of course it wasgoing to be surpassed.Mordred19

Yes we can, the xbxo360 still costs 3x as much as this video card.

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[QUOTE="Mordred19"]what's the point of this? you can't claim ownage from a natural progression of technology. the 360's GPU is over a year old, of course it wasgoing to be surpassed.Gangans

Yes we can, the xbxo360 still costs 3x as much as this video card.

Your argument fails when you consider the 360 isn't just a graphics card :|

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#42 deactivated-5ebd39d683340
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at first glance i couldn't see the difference. But than noticed x360 shadows were more realistic. Other than that, I want to know what ram and cpu you need to run it as smooth as the x360 version(wich was amazingly smooth)
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[QUOTE="machitocaliente"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

Not the pics, a link to where most 360 fans here claim the 8600GTXXX is "garbage" and the 360 "is superior"

jrhawk42

just posting a few...

"The 8600GT is garbage" ( and then procceds 2 post incorrect benchmarks from the vanilla version)

"the 8600GT is terrible" ( and then procceds 2 talk about gears of war)

" the 8600gt is a gimped card" (and then procceds 2 talk nonsenses)

"Shame on you, this is just a bad lie" ( and then procceds 2 dange control)

"the 8600 is garbage....it could never run Gears of War at repectable settings "

do a search

After doing multiple searches, I found none of these claims :roll:

Thanks for wasting my time on a lie.

no kidding asked for links he gives quotes that he obv wrote himself :roll:

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#44 Medjai
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i find it funny when lemmings bash cows for there gpu being out dated. but when someone shows them a 150.00 gpu that pwns the gpu that is found in the 360, the lemmings all of sudden want to throw the 360 gpu is outdated , of course 8600 will out run it. here in SW we have a word for that its called HYPOCRITESalfy13
hte 360 came out earlier than the PS3 and its GPU is better...now two years later Nvidia releases a budget card that IMO is slightly better...but still where does that leave the PS3?
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#45 KillaHalo2o9
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Will atleast its better then a 7800 :?
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#46 muscleserge
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people are forgetting that 8600 GPUs are fully DX10 compatible, and decode video better than 8800s. Xenos has 48 unified shaders vs 32 8600, we all know how crappy ATI's unified shaders are, 320 of ATIs shaders can't catch up to 128 Nvidia's. The 8600 also has more mem bandwidth 32gb/s vs 22gb/s. 8600GT is a great card, but it can't even beat the 7900GT and up, that is pretty disappointing. since 8600>Xenos, and 7900>8600, that means 7900>Xenos. Same can be said about RSX. And here lemms tried claiming that xenos > 7900.
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Confused:?
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#49 WhySoCry
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They released a budget notebook video card which is better then the X360's GPU. In essence, the videocard is comparable to the X1800 in performance, and as I noted many times before, is roughly same or better then the X360's gpu. The X360 was outdated in performance long before its release. (X1900 series, 7900 series)
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#50 Corvin
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Why, exactly, are Nvidia graphics cards being compared to a console system with an ATI video card inside? Shouldn't they be comparing to their own card in the PS3? Or is it just that pathetic?