Is Phil Spencer just Mattrick 2.0 really what has changed from Xbox One to X-Series especially as far as games?

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#52 Pedro
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@sakaixx said:

Xbox not release any first party games for almost a year now.

That is false. 😊

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@hrt_rulz01: 🤣🤣🤣

Stay rekt, kid. 😎

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These threads are getting out of control..

The fact that the Xbox One launched with tons of negative PR and the Xbox Series X|S launched with tons of positive PR should be proof enough..

If you need more proof: 6 first party studios vs 23 first party studios (including all of Bethesda IP), bad hardware vs great hardware, TV TV TV vs Game Pass, zero b/c vs the best b/c, and the list goes on..

But the biggest accomplishment Phil Spencer made was taking the Xbox brand from a side-project of Microsoft vs making the Xbox brand a key part of Microsoft's cloud ambitions..

^ this has resulted in Microsoft taking Xbox seriously for the first time in history.. That's how you make 7.5 billion dollar acquisitions with the promise of more to come..

In short, Phil has cows seriously nervous about this upcoming generation.. Hence, threads like this

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@Antwan3K said:

These threads are getting out of control..

The fact that the Xbox One launched with tons of negative PR and the Xbox Series X|S launched with tons of positive PR should be proof enough..

If you need more proof: 6 first party studios vs 23 first party studios (including all of Bethesda IP), bad hardware vs great hardware, TV TV TV vs Game Pass, zero b/c vs the best b/c, and the list goes on..

But the biggest accomplishment Phil Spencer made was taking the Xbox brand from a side-project of Microsoft vs making the Xbox brand a key part of Microsoft's cloud ambitions..

^ this has resulted in Microsoft taking Xbox seriously for the first time in history.. That's how you make 7.5 billion dollar acquisitions with the promise of more to come..

In short, Phil has cows seriously nervous about this upcoming generation.. Hence, threads like this

Your post + sig reeks of shill. Can't take you seriously when you're a walking advertisement for Microsoft.

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#56  Edited By Antwan3K
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@NathanDrakeSwag: do you really think you're to be taken seriously?..

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#57 hrt_rulz01
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@sakaixx said:

Xbox not release any first party games for almost a year now.

What was the last PS 1st party release?

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#58  Edited By hrt_rulz01
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@wonderwinner said:

@hrt_rulz01: 🤣🤣🤣

Stay rekt, kid. 😎

Is that you Quacknight? All you alts are probably the same person anyway.

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#59 Pedro
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@hrt_rulz01 said:

Is that you Quacknight? All you alts are probably the same person anyway.

Incoming meltdown. 😂

I WONDER how many alts he has had. 😉

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#60 deactivated-660c2894dc19c
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Don Mattrick destroyed Ensemble Studios to get his bonus. So, Phil has still a long way to go before he's close to that kind of devilry

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#61 hrt_rulz01
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@Pedro said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:

Is that you Quacknight? All you alts are probably the same person anyway.

Incoming meltdown. 😂

I WONDER how many alts he has had. 😉

Oh I'm guessing he's had quite a few...

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#62 pmanden
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Phil is better. I prefer xbox in 2021 over xbox in 2013. I am not even going to waste time writing why.

You do have one point though. Xbox in 2021 needs more games. Dead Rising 3 was kick ass.

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@Pedro said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:

Is that you Quacknight? All you alts are probably the same person anyway.

Incoming meltdown. 😂

I WONDER how many alts he has had. 😉

I am one of them. The one he signed up in 2002.

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#64 sealionact
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Used to be a time Cows would moo about their games. Nowadays, the herd are just a-mooing about Phil Spencer and Gamepass.

Another insecurity thread from someone who doesn’t own a ps5 (But said he did), has none of the games on PS4 that make the PS4 great (According to him) and is just desperately trying to spam these forums before his account gets deactivated based on yet another silly claim.


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@ProtossRushX said:

Please don't mention gamepass I like to buy and own my digital games an keep em on my drive an play on my terms what I want when I want.

”Please don’t mention his biggest achievement” 😅.

As for creating a better library of exclusives it’s obviously a very slow process. The buildup is pretty impressive. It should teanslate to some great games, but we’ll see.

No matter what he is waaaaay better than Mattrick lol

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#67  Edited By killerpainrulez
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xbox has a decent variety of games coming, all playstation has is third person games coming.

THIRDPERSON 5 BLOWS ME ALSO KNOWN AS TP5.

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#68 killerpainrulez
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ever heard the saying good things come to those who wait?

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:P

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#70 tdkmillsy
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Microsoft messed up with Halo and corvid has delayed games on all platforms.

They have invested in current games (bought developers) much more than last gen.

Yet again they released the best console in terms of graphical performance.

But they do need to bring more out to show it off.

I think they should have done more with the controller.

I think so far the games released on both consoles is pretty poor. I'm enjoying playing last gen games on my PS5. With they had better BC like Xbox.

Its a waiting game for consoles, GPU's and games at the moment. Just the way it is.

At which point GamePass will flex its muscles even more so.

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Honestly.. I know everyone likes that buffet picture, but everything looks absolutely disgusting and mostly unidentifiable outside of the strawberries and shrimp. I mean I get the point, but I'm just saying.. lol.

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Honestly.. I know everyone likes that buffet picture, but everything looks absolutely disgusting and mostly unidentifiable outside of the strawberries and shrimp. I mean I get the point, but I'm just saying.. lol.

that food does look pretty gross they shoulda got Gordon Ramsay's food and wrote on it

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@girlusocrazy said:

What's changed? No Kinect, no HDMI input & guide, and no launch titles but BC in at launch this time

Yeah, in fact a lot has changed:

-no DRM

-no 'buy the old Xbox'

-Renewed interest in PC gaming

-Game wherever you like: on console, on PC, on a phone, ...

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#74 Pedro
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@R4gn4r0k: DRM is still there. 🙃

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@R4gn4r0k said:
@girlusocrazy said:

What's changed? No Kinect, no HDMI input & guide, and no launch titles but BC in at launch this time

Yeah, in fact a lot has changed:

-no DRM

-no 'buy the old Xbox'

-Renewed interest in PC gaming

-Game wherever you like: on console, on PC, on a phone, ...

X-Series needs to go online to be able to play games its first time thats DRM my man.

X-Series can't play most BC and Xbox One / X games without going online disc doesn't have the X Series game on it more DRM.

If you want to use your kinect you gotta buy the old system no kinect ports on X-Series.

Games for windows live anyone? You want them back they tried to charge xbox live for PC gamers.

I don't game on phone and I PC game on steam and console on PS5.

Anything else I can get you?

Plus a lot of that changed DURING XBOX ONE they get rid of the DRM I'm Talking what changes for x-series from xbox one xbox one was still a failure what did they change up for x-series nothing man nothing.

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#76  Edited By deactivated-611edca0d6021
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Usual suspects started calling people alts.

I'll accept the concession of defeat. 😎

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@ProtossRushX: Why get a PS5 when all first party on deck will also on PS4?

XSX's lack of exclusives will be forgotten in 12-18 months. If you want to beat that dead horse until then, go ahead.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Xbox was far more successful and had far more games when Donnie M was running the show. These nerds hated him because he was a businessman who didn't try to pretend he was one of them, but the fact is he was good at his job and far more qualified than that clown Philip Spence.

Interesting point.

Can someone do a top 10 games released under Don and Phil's leadership? That would be an interesting perspective.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@Antwan3K said:

These threads are getting out of control..

The fact that the Xbox One launched with tons of negative PR and the Xbox Series X|S launched with tons of positive PR should be proof enough..

If you need more proof: 6 first party studios vs 23 first party studios (including all of Bethesda IP), bad hardware vs great hardware, TV TV TV vs Game Pass, zero b/c vs the best b/c, and the list goes on..

But the biggest accomplishment Phil Spencer made was taking the Xbox brand from a side-project of Microsoft vs making the Xbox brand a key part of Microsoft's cloud ambitions..

^ this has resulted in Microsoft taking Xbox seriously for the first time in history.. That's how you make 7.5 billion dollar acquisitions with the promise of more to come..

In short, Phil has cows seriously nervous about this upcoming generation.. Hence, threads like this

Your post + sig reeks of shill. Can't take you seriously when you're a walking advertisement for Microsoft.

LOLOLOLOLOL oh good lord you can't possibly be this dense and filled with more irony

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Lol.

Love these whiny cow threads.

"Waaa why doesn't everyone hate the thing I hate?"

C'mon. We know you haven't been absent these last 5 years. You know why people appreciate Xbox's current direction. They have done more to improve QoL in gaming than Sony or Nintendo (who haven't really done anything at all on that front).

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@shellcase86 said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Xbox was far more successful and had far more games when Donnie M was running the show. These nerds hated him because he was a businessman who didn't try to pretend he was one of them, but the fact is he was good at his job and far more qualified than that clown Philip Spence.

Interesting point.

Can someone do a top 10 games released under Don and Phil's leadership? That would be an interesting perspective.

I could.

Jim Ryan Leadership

Miles Morales

Demon Souls Remake

Ratchet and Clank

Returnal

Phil's leadership

Nodda on X-Series

Mattrick Leadership

Dead Rising 3

Ryse Son of Rome

Forza 5

Halo MCC

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@ProtossRushX: You know what is Nodda? You in a few days. 😎

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@ProtossRushX said:
@shellcase86 said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Xbox was far more successful and had far more games when Donnie M was running the show. These nerds hated him because he was a businessman who didn't try to pretend he was one of them, but the fact is he was good at his job and far more qualified than that clown Philip Spence.

Interesting point.

Can someone do a top 10 games released under Don and Phil's leadership? That would be an interesting perspective.

I could.

Jim Ryan Leadership

Miles Morales

Demon Souls Remake

Ratchet and Clank

Returnal

Phil's leadership

Nodda on X-Series

Mattrick Leadership

Dead Rising 3

Ryse Son of Rome

Forza 5

Halo MCC

Don Mattrick left in Mid 2013 prior to X1 launch . You could argue he was responsible for the launch titles but Spencer took over early 2014 after being led in the interim by CEO Steve Ballmer.

Sure, Xbox had more launch titles but a lot of them were 3rd party deals. Mattrick famously considered first party titles and new ips to be a risk. He led the charge to divest in first parties and focus on becoming an entertainment box, not to mention the whole online requirement and suggesting people buy a 360 if they didn't like it.

He is directly responsible for the failure of Xbox One, from design to focus on anything other than games. He joined Xbox in 2007 when 360 was running on all cylinders and started to cut back on games and the last few years of 360 were as dry as a desert.

At least Phil has managed to change the narrative and invest in first party studios. He also got rid of Kinect and released consoles that actually looked like consoles.

I definitely agree that we haven't seen many first party games but they have 23 studios. I wonder what your argument will be when they start releasing games on PC and Xbox.

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Just figureheads, the shots are called by the ones pulling the strings behind the curtain.

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Phil Spencer has had to rebuild the damage done by Mattrick.

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#86  Edited By NoodleFighter
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What's Sony going to have after 2021? Nearly all their big studios just got off of big projects and it will take at least 2 years for them to produce another. All cows have to look forward to so far after 2021 is God Of War Ragnarok. Meanwhile we know that Microsoft already has several games well into development and their acquisition of Bethseda increased that even more.

Cows are bragging about a having a better launch year when they're going to be facing a drought right after it.

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@NoodleFighter: "What's Sony going to have after 2021? Nearly all their big studios just got off of big projects and it will take at least 2 years for them to produce another. "

Amusing that you believe these studios have only one team working on one game at a given time each. 😆

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@wonderwinner: Insomniac has two teams and they released Mile Morales about 7 months ago and are about to release Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart, do they have a third team no ones heard of because it seems to me its going to be quiet sometime before you get another Spiderman or Ratchet & Clank game. Suckerpunch spent nearly the entire generation working on Ghost Of Tsushima I doubt they have a second team and if they do they were likely working on the same project.

Naughty Dog has two teams and even they themselves said they struggle with working on multiple projects at once. Both teams don't have hundreds of developers working on their games, one has the large team focusing on the title closer to release and the other smaller team just works on pre-production of the later title. As far as we know with Naughty Dog they're working on the multiplayer to TLOU2 and a TLOU remake. So no new games from them for a while. Guerilla Games and Santa Monica released their last titles in 2017 and 2018 so that it makes sense that in 2021 and 2022 they'd have enough time to release properly developed sequels. That is 4-5 years after the launch of their previous games. If they had multiple teams they sure as heck didn't release anything within that timespan before GoW Ragnarok and HFW.

So again what does Sony have in store for after 2021 besides God Of War Ragnarok and Gran Turismo 7?

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@NoodleFighter said:

@wonderwinner: Insomniac has two teams and they released Mile Morales about 7 months ago and are about to release Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart, do they have a third team no ones heard of because it seems to me its going to be quiet sometime before you get another Spiderman or Ratchet & Clank game. Suckerpunch spent nearly the entire generation working on Ghost Of Tsushima I doubt they have a second team and if they do they were likely working on the same project.

Naughty Dog has two teams and even they themselves said they struggle with working on multiple projects at once. Both teams don't have hundreds of developers working on their games, one has the large team focusing on the title closer to release and the other smaller team just works on pre-production of the later title. As far as we know with Naughty Dog they're working on the multiplayer to TLOU2 and a TLOU remake. So no new games from them for a while. Guerilla Games and Santa Monica released their last titles in 2017 and 2018 so that it makes sense that in 2021 and 2022 they'd have enough time to release properly developed sequels. That is 4-5 years after the launch of their previous games. If they had multiple teams they sure as heck didn't release anything within that timespan before GoW Ragnarok and HFW.

So again what does Sony have in store for after 2021 besides God Of War Ragnarok and Gran Turismo 7?

This is the point I was trying to make yesterday... cows are saying MS needs to show stuff and have a big E3 showing, well what about Sony? Their lineup is looking more bare.

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Desperate lems living on conjecture as usual. 😆

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@hrt_rulz01 said:
@NoodleFighter said:

@wonderwinner: Insomniac has two teams and they released Mile Morales about 7 months ago and are about to release Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart, do they have a third team no ones heard of because it seems to me its going to be quiet sometime before you get another Spiderman or Ratchet & Clank game. Suckerpunch spent nearly the entire generation working on Ghost Of Tsushima I doubt they have a second team and if they do they were likely working on the same project.

Naughty Dog has two teams and even they themselves said they struggle with working on multiple projects at once. Both teams don't have hundreds of developers working on their games, one has the large team focusing on the title closer to release and the other smaller team just works on pre-production of the later title. As far as we know with Naughty Dog they're working on the multiplayer to TLOU2 and a TLOU remake. So no new games from them for a while. Guerilla Games and Santa Monica released their last titles in 2017 and 2018 so that it makes sense that in 2021 and 2022 they'd have enough time to release properly developed sequels. That is 4-5 years after the launch of their previous games. If they had multiple teams they sure as heck didn't release anything within that timespan before GoW Ragnarok and HFW.

So again what does Sony have in store for after 2021 besides God Of War Ragnarok and Gran Turismo 7?

This is the point I was trying to make yesterday... cows are saying MS needs to show stuff and have a big E3 showing, well what about Sony? Their lineup is looking more bare.

Shame on Sony for focusing on games releasing in the near future instead of announcing games 4 years away.

You guys are so desperate lol.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:
@NoodleFighter said:

@wonderwinner: Insomniac has two teams and they released Mile Morales about 7 months ago and are about to release Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart, do they have a third team no ones heard of because it seems to me its going to be quiet sometime before you get another Spiderman or Ratchet & Clank game. Suckerpunch spent nearly the entire generation working on Ghost Of Tsushima I doubt they have a second team and if they do they were likely working on the same project.

Naughty Dog has two teams and even they themselves said they struggle with working on multiple projects at once. Both teams don't have hundreds of developers working on their games, one has the large team focusing on the title closer to release and the other smaller team just works on pre-production of the later title. As far as we know with Naughty Dog they're working on the multiplayer to TLOU2 and a TLOU remake. So no new games from them for a while. Guerilla Games and Santa Monica released their last titles in 2017 and 2018 so that it makes sense that in 2021 and 2022 they'd have enough time to release properly developed sequels. That is 4-5 years after the launch of their previous games. If they had multiple teams they sure as heck didn't release anything within that timespan before GoW Ragnarok and HFW.

So again what does Sony have in store for after 2021 besides God Of War Ragnarok and Gran Turismo 7?

This is the point I was trying to make yesterday... cows are saying MS needs to show stuff and have a big E3 showing, well what about Sony? Their lineup is looking more bare.

Shame on Sony for focusing on games releasing in the near future instead of announcing games 4 years away.

You guys are so desperate lol.

Yet you clowns want MS to announce a million more games than they already have, and show more of every game they already have announced even if they aren't ready... yeah we're the ones who are desperate. LMAO.

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@hrt_rulz01: "Yet you clowns want MS to announce a million more games than they already have"

Thing is, they announced a bunch of games with no release date in sight. When square Enix did the same, people made fun of them, why can't we make the same if MS? Is this enterprise a special snowflake?

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#94  Edited By commander
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@hrt_rulz01 said:
@NoodleFighter said:

@wonderwinner: Insomniac has two teams and they released Mile Morales about 7 months ago and are about to release Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart, do they have a third team no ones heard of because it seems to me its going to be quiet sometime before you get another Spiderman or Ratchet & Clank game. Suckerpunch spent nearly the entire generation working on Ghost Of Tsushima I doubt they have a second team and if they do they were likely working on the same project.

Naughty Dog has two teams and even they themselves said they struggle with working on multiple projects at once. Both teams don't have hundreds of developers working on their games, one has the large team focusing on the title closer to release and the other smaller team just works on pre-production of the later title. As far as we know with Naughty Dog they're working on the multiplayer to TLOU2 and a TLOU remake. So no new games from them for a while. Guerilla Games and Santa Monica released their last titles in 2017 and 2018 so that it makes sense that in 2021 and 2022 they'd have enough time to release properly developed sequels. That is 4-5 years after the launch of their previous games. If they had multiple teams they sure as heck didn't release anything within that timespan before GoW Ragnarok and HFW.

So again what does Sony have in store for after 2021 besides God Of War Ragnarok and Gran Turismo 7?

This is the point I was trying to make yesterday... cows are saying MS needs to show stuff and have a big E3 showing, well what about Sony? Their lineup is looking more bare.

sony hasn't been consistently failing for years on end, so they are not under pressure, xbox is.

I can assure you phil spencer is not going to make it past 2022. This dude has been at the head at the xbox division for 7 years now and what does he has to show for.

Nothing, the xbox kept on consistenly selling worse than the ps4, even after the xboxone x, and even after gamepass, and don't give me that bs that gamepass has 23 million subscribers,

I'm one of those subscribers, it's so cheap with the gold upgrade system that it might as well be free, and it's overrated, none of these games are really interesting, and the ones that are interesting I already bought when they released ages ago.

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#95  Edited By deactivated-611edca0d6021
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@commander: "I can assure you phil spencer is not going to make it past 2022."

Please let this be true. I can't stand people sucking up to executives.

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#96 Pedro
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@commander said:

sony hasn't been consistently failing for years on end, so they are not under pressure, xbox is.

I can assure you phil spencer is not going to make it past 2022. This dude has been at the head at the xbox division for 7 years now and what does he has to show for.

Nothing, the xbox kept on consistenly selling worse than the ps4, even after the xboxone x, and even after gamepass, and don't give me that bs that gamepass has 23 million subscribers,

I'm one of those subscribers, it's so cheap with the gold upgrade system that it might as well be free, and it's overrated, none of these games are really interesting, and the ones that are interesting I already bought when they released ages ago.

They had the highest revenue for Xbox this year. 😎

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Phil ushered his way into Microsoft's board of directors. Now the gaming division finally has a say in Microsoft's future plans, hence the most recent unlimited budget to buy studios.

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#98 commander
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@Pedro said:
@commander said:

sony hasn't been consistently failing for years on end, so they are not under pressure, xbox is.

I can assure you phil spencer is not going to make it past 2022. This dude has been at the head at the xbox division for 7 years now and what does he has to show for.

Nothing, the xbox kept on consistenly selling worse than the ps4, even after the xboxone x, and even after gamepass, and don't give me that bs that gamepass has 23 million subscribers,

I'm one of those subscribers, it's so cheap with the gold upgrade system that it might as well be free, and it's overrated, none of these games are really interesting, and the ones that are interesting I already bought when they released ages ago.

They had the highest revenue for Xbox this year. 😎

yeah because the xbox 360 never made any money because of all the investments it had to make for xboxlive.

highest of a bad revenue is still a bad revenue

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#99 Pedro
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@commander said:

yeah because the xbox 360 never made any money because of all the investments it had to make for xboxlive.

highest of a bad revenue is still a bad revenue

Feel free to spin to your hearts content.

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