[QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"][QUOTE="FollowY0urBliss"]True. In America, if you want to mod a console, you have to do a firmware flash, OR order a mod chip from someplace like the UK. While chips like those are forbidden in America, you can walk into any electronic shop in the UK and buy any piracy device you want. lol It's kinda messed up.FollowY0urBlissFalse, you don't need to go outside the USA to do it. And this didn't disprove my other comment. It varies based on the nation. Also the problem is we are getting a lot of lip service, no real sources to back up the claims being made. Kinda a hard sell. lol I was agreeing with YOU. And I never said you had to leave the US.... You sure? Kinda sounded like you can just walk into any store in the UK and buy them all nice and legal.
Is piracy really bigger in PC? or in consoles?
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[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]you have it completely wrong. true: most people dont know how to mod a console. but try to understand this: the whole world doesn't roll like america... in these countries with high piracy rates you can walk into any video game store and buy pirate games and tell them to modify your console (Which is only done once, except for custom firmware updates) then you buy the games from them most people dont even download the games themselves, they just buy them from other people who download them, hell most stores even have a "bring us 2 ISOs we dont have and we give you a free game" policy. The majority of people who play pirate games in their consoles worldwide dont download or mod the console themselves.Look at all the trouble it is to pirate games to a console. Most ways include hot-modding a console, or using external software, or taking advantage of a systems security issues. For most people, the hassle of pirating on a console is just too much.
On a PC all you have to do is download the game from online or get the files from a friend. No software installations, no hot-modding, no hassle. Just install and play. Piracy on a PC is much more common.
lightleggy
That may be true, but coming across a console is harder in those countries, their populations aren't as big, and a vast majority of people in those countries don't play video games. PC games are still pirated much more often, as in those countries it is just as easy to come across a pirated PC game as it is to come across a console one, in addition to the huge amount of PC games that are pirated in the developed countries where there are more people that actually play games.
And please don't bring up China. Dedicated consoles aren't even legal over there.
[QUOTE="FollowY0urBliss"][QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"]False, you don't need to go outside the USA to do it. And this didn't disprove my other comment. It varies based on the nation. Also the problem is we are getting a lot of lip service, no real sources to back up the claims being made. Kinda a hard sell.DarkOfKnightlol I was agreeing with YOU. And I never said you had to leave the US.... You sure? Kinda sounded like you can just walk into any store in the UK and buy them all nice and legal. I'm pretty sure you can... mod chips, specialized tools to open up consoles.... I didn't mean pre-modded consoles, or pirated games.
you have it completely wrong. true: most people dont know how to mod a console. but try to understand this: the whole world doesn't roll like america... in these countries with high piracy rates you can walk into any video game store and buy pirate games and tell them to modify your console (Which is only done once, except for custom firmware updates) then you buy the games from them most people dont even download the games themselves, they just buy them from other people who download them, hell most stores even have a "bring us 2 ISOs we dont have and we give you a free game" policy. The majority of people who play pirate games in their consoles worldwide dont download or mod the console themselves.[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
Look at all the trouble it is to pirate games to a console. Most ways include hot-modding a console, or using external software, or taking advantage of a systems security issues. For most people, the hassle of pirating on a console is just too much.
On a PC all you have to do is download the game from online or get the files from a friend. No software installations, no hot-modding, no hassle. Just install and play. Piracy on a PC is much more common.
WiiCubeM1
That may be true, but coming across a console is harder in those countries, their populations aren't as big, and a vast majority of people in those countries don't play video games. PC games are still pirated much more often, as in those countries it is just as easy to come across a pirated PC game as it is to come across a console one, in addition to the huge amount of PC games that are pirated in the developed countries where there are more people that actually play games.
And please don't bring up China. Dedicated consoles aren't even legal over there.
that is also totally false... why is it that when an american hears "developing countries" he suddenly thinks of savages who live in the jungle and dont even know about technology? finding a console in these countries is easy as f*ck, its easier than finding a PC, if you would have read my OP you would know that, sure it might not be the same in china but it is in the rest of the world, like I said they even sell the consoles in "bundles" that include the modification with like 10 pirate games and 1 original.wow TC is completely lost, are we really arguing what is obvious?
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] you have it completely wrong. true: most people dont know how to mod a console. but try to understand this: the whole world doesn't roll like america... in these countries with high piracy rates you can walk into any video game store and buy pirate games and tell them to modify your console (Which is only done once, except for custom firmware updates) then you buy the games from them most people dont even download the games themselves, they just buy them from other people who download them, hell most stores even have a "bring us 2 ISOs we dont have and we give you a free game" policy. The majority of people who play pirate games in their consoles worldwide dont download or mod the console themselves.lightleggy
That may be true, but coming across a console is harder in those countries, their populations aren't as big, and a vast majority of people in those countries don't play video games. PC games are still pirated much more often, as in those countries it is just as easy to come across a pirated PC game as it is to come across a console one, in addition to the huge amount of PC games that are pirated in the developed countries where there are more people that actually play games.
And please don't bring up China. Dedicated consoles aren't even legal over there.
that is also totally false... why is it that when an american hears "developing countries" he suddenly thinks of savages who live in the jungle and dont even know about technology? finding a console in these countries is easy as f*ck, its easier than finding a PC, if you would have read my OP you would know that, sure it might not be the same in china but it is in the rest of the world, like I said they even sell the consoles in "bundles" that include the modification with like 10 pirate games and 1 original.Remember my opinion is just as false as yours. They are both based in as much reality as the other, but both are still opinions. I say PC games are more pirated as it is as easy to pirate those as it is to buy something at the store, no matter where in this world you live. You say console games are more pirated because you can simply buy them at some places in the world. The key words I'm looking at are EVERYWHERE in my opinion and SOME places in yours, plus the ease of pirating a PC game. You don't even need to own a PC to pirate and play PC games, you just need access to an internet cafe, which they have plenty of in other places.
And, no, I don't think of savages, but it is a fact that it is harder to come across and be able to use electronics in a place like Afghanistan than it is in the US. It's not just Americans that think of developing countries as lesser, all developed countries generally think this. Don't act like we're worse than wherever the hell it is you're from.
why is it that when an american hears "developing countries" he suddenly thinks of savages who live in the jungle and dont even know about technology?lightleggyGood god, your anti-American bigotry is showing. Nobody here even came close to saying that, your anti-American bigotry just got the better of you.
[QUOTE="lightleggy"]why is it that when an american hears "developing countries" he suddenly thinks of savages who live in the jungle and dont even know about technology?DarkOfKnightGood god, your anti-bigotry is showing. Nobody here even came close to saying that, your anti-american bigotry just got the better of you.
im not anti american, I speak the truth, It's widely accepted that most of these people think like that. only a few actually know how things goes in developing countries.
that is also totally false... why is it that when an american hears "developing countries" he suddenly thinks of savages who live in the jungle and dont even know about technology? finding a console in these countries is easy as f*ck, its easier than finding a PC, if you would have read my OP you would know that, sure it might not be the same in china but it is in the rest of the world, like I said they even sell the consoles in "bundles" that include the modification with like 10 pirate games and 1 original.[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
That may be true, but coming across a console is harder in those countries, their populations aren't as big, and a vast majority of people in those countries don't play video games. PC games are still pirated much more often, as in those countries it is just as easy to come across a pirated PC game as it is to come across a console one, in addition to the huge amount of PC games that are pirated in the developed countries where there are more people that actually play games.
And please don't bring up China. Dedicated consoles aren't even legal over there.
WiiCubeM1
Remember my opinion is just as false as yours. They are both based in as much reality as the other, but both are still opinions. I say PC games are more pirated as it is as easy to pirate those as it is to buy something at the store, no matter where in this world you live. You say console games are more pirated because you can simply buy them at some places in the world. The key words I'm looking at are EVERYWHERE in my opinion and SOME places in yours, plus the ease of pirating a PC game. You don't even need to own a PC to pirate and play PC games, you just need access to an internet cafe, which they have plenty of in other places.
And, no, I don't think of savages, but it is a fact that it is harder to come across and be able to use electronics in a place like Afghanistan than it is in the US. It's not just Americans that think of developing countries as lesser, all developed countries generally think this. Don't act like we're worse than wherever the hell it is you're from.
Why would I download a PC game if I dont have a PC to play it? .lol: also pirating PC games can be as hard as pirating console games, most of the time these people need to do manual fixes to get their games running. and believe me if you cant find a console in afghanistan you wont find a gaming PC either. as for latinamerica, russia and most zones with high piracy ratings: you can still get any console with the same ease as you would in the US.Good god, your anti-bigotry is showing. Nobody here even came close to saying that, your anti-american bigotry just got the better of you.[QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"][QUOTE="lightleggy"]why is it that when an american hears "developing countries" he suddenly thinks of savages who live in the jungle and dont even know about technology?lightleggy
im not anti american, I speak the truth, It's widely accepted that most of these people think like that. only a few actually know how things goes in developing countries.
I am American, and you are full of it. Widely accepted? By who? People who have no idea what goes on in this country.Good god, your anti-bigotry is showing. Nobody here even came close to saying that, your anti-american bigotry just got the better of you.[QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"][QUOTE="lightleggy"]why is it that when an american hears "developing countries" he suddenly thinks of savages who live in the jungle and dont even know about technology?lightleggy
im not anti american, I speak the truth, It's widely accepted that most of these people think like that. only a few actually know how things goes in developing countries.
First off, that sentence is pretty bigoted as well. Where are you from, exactly?
Second, There is a much vaster amount of people who think that PC games are pirated than people who think that console games are. I really don't see any evidence backing up your claims outside of pure opinion.
[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"]Good god, your anti-bigotry is showing. Nobody here even came close to saying that, your anti-american bigotry just got the better of you.DarkOfKnight
im not anti american, I speak the truth, It's widely accepted that most of these people think like that. only a few actually know how things goes in developing countries.
I am American, and you are full of it. Widely accepted? By who? People who have no idea what goes on this country. By the whole f*cking world dude. go ahead ask for some opinions, and i've also been personally told things such as "do you know what a toilet is?" :lol: I have no problem against americans or people from any country, but it's just the truth, most people think like that. hell I actually remember like 1 year ago...they had to start advertising everywhere that costa rica has the best phone network in latinamerica (and like 4th place in the whole american continent, thats south america and north america combined according to the geographic model used in the US, so that you dont say Im biased) because american turists comming here were afraid that they wouldn't be able to make any phonecalls since they were comming to a "poor 3rd world country"[QUOTE="lightleggy"]
[QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"]Good god, your anti-bigotry is showing. Nobody here even came close to saying that, your anti-american bigotry just got the better of you.WiiCubeM1
im not anti american, I speak the truth, It's widely accepted that most of these people think like that. only a few actually know how things goes in developing countries.
First off, that sentence is pretty bigoted as well. Where are you from, exactly?
Second, There is a much vaster amount of people who think that PC games are pirated than people who think that console games are. I really don't see any evidence backing up your claims outside of pure opinion.
So im biggoted because I speak the truth? :lol: ok whatever man, drop the ball already. And If you want to believe that PC is more pirated then do it, it's perfectly logical that you do it, just that you have the wrong reasons, for example thinking that it's near impossible to get across a console in countries where piracy is sky high or that you simply cant walk into a store and buy something.
[QUOTE="glez13"]yes dude but I am talking about which platform has a larger base of pirate games being played, so you dont count the pirate games for consoles downloaded from a PC...PC by far. On PC even console games are pirated.
lightleggy
Nope. I'm talking about console (and handheld) games that are downloaded and played on a PC.
yes dude but I am talking about which platform has a larger base of pirate games being played, so you dont count the pirate games for consoles downloaded from a PC...[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="glez13"]
PC by far. On PC even console games are pirated.
glez13
Nope. I'm talking about console (and handheld) games that are downloaded and played on a PC.
Ohhhh well, emulated games are not piracy if you actually own the game and console.
yes dude but I am talking about which platform has a larger base of pirate games being played, so you dont count the pirate games for consoles downloaded from a PC...[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="glez13"]
PC by far. On PC even console games are pirated.
glez13
Nope. I'm talking about console (and handheld) games that are downloaded and played on a PC.
Games that are so old that they don't tangibly exist anymore are practically freeware. We're talking about current gen systems here. Those aren't played on a PC.
Wii? Maybe. If you have a PC powerful enough to play Wii on PC, then you most likely own a wii too and are just playing your backups on your PC.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"][QUOTE="lightleggy"]
im not anti american, I speak the truth, It's widely accepted that most of these people think like that. only a few actually know how things goes in developing countries.
lightleggy
First off, that sentence is pretty bigoted as well. Where are you from, exactly?
Second, There is a much vaster amount of people who think that PC games are pirated than people who think that console games are. I really don't see any evidence backing up your claims outside of pure opinion.
So im biggoted because I speak the truth? :lol: ok whatever man, drop the ball already. And If you want to believe that PC is more pirated then do it, it's perfectly logical that you do it, just that you have the wrong reasons, for example thinking that it's near impossible to get across a console in countries where piracy is sky high or that you simply cant walk into a store and buy something.If you continue to hold bigoted beliefs of Americans (I read your above response), I'm not going to take you on your word about PC games. I say one thing, you misconstrued it, and now believe that I think it is impossible to play consoles in developing countries "because there all a bunch of savages" (which you said, not me). If you refuse to do any research and accept the fact that maybe not all Americans are bigoted, I don't see any reason to believe that you actually have any evidence to back up your claims on console game pirating.
In other words, holding opinionated views in one area often holds true that you hold purely opinionated beliefs in another area.
You've lost any credibility to me, and I'm sure many others who read this think the same.
Ohhhh well, emulated games are not piracy if you actually own the game and console.lightleggy
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Games that are so old that they don't tangibly exist anymore are practically freeware. We're talking about current gen systems here. Those aren't played on a PC.
Wii? Maybe. If you have a PC powerful enough to play Wii on PC, then you most likely own a wii too and are just playing your backups on your PC.
FashionFreak
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You guys are so ridiculous.
So im biggoted because I speak the truth? :lol: ok whatever man, drop the ball already. And If you want to believe that PC is more pirated then do it, it's perfectly logical that you do it, just that you have the wrong reasons, for example thinking that it's near impossible to get across a console in countries where piracy is sky high or that you simply cant walk into a store and buy something.[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
First off, that sentence is pretty bigoted as well. Where are you from, exactly?
Second, There is a much vaster amount of people who think that PC games are pirated than people who think that console games are. I really don't see any evidence backing up your claims outside of pure opinion.
WiiCubeM1
If you continue to hold bigoted beliefs of Americans (I read your above response), I'm not going to take you on your word about PC games. I say one thing, you misconstrued it, and now believe that I think it is impossible to play consoles in developing countries "because there all a bunch of savages" (which you said, not me). If you refuse to do any research and accept the fact that maybe not all Americans are bigoted, I don't see any reason to believe that you actually have any evidence to back up your claims on console game pirating.
In other words, holding opinionated views in one area often holds true that you hold purely opinionated beliefs in another area.
You've lost any credibility to me, and I'm sure many others who read this think the same.
I just lost credibility to you big deal, I obviously know not all americans are biggoted, but a lot of them are, and yeah your post was sounding as if you were saying that people here were savages because you were pretty much claiming that it's impossible to come across a console as if it was some sort of sacred item far away from the reach of poor people. Yes you didn't said it in those words, that's how I interprete it.[QUOTE="lightleggy"]Ohhhh well, emulated games are not piracy if you actually own the game and console.glez13
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Games that are so old that they don't tangibly exist anymore are practically freeware. We're talking about current gen systems here. Those aren't played on a PC.
Wii? Maybe. If you have a PC powerful enough to play Wii on PC, then you most likely own a wii too and are just playing your backups on your PC.
FashionFreak
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You guys are so ridiculous.
its true, like it or not, if you bought the game legally you can do whatever you want with it.[QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"][QUOTE="lightleggy"]I am American, and you are full of it. Widely accepted? By who? People who have no idea what goes on this country. By the whole f*cking world dude. go ahead ask for some opinions, and i've also been personally told things such as "do you know what a toilet is?" :lol: I have no problem against americans or people from any country, but it's just the truth, most people think like that. hell I actually remember like 1 year ago...they had to start advertising everywhere that costa rica has the best phone network in latinamerica (and like 4th place in the whole american continent, thats south america and north america combined according to the geographic model used in the US, so that you dont say Im biased) because american turists comming here were afraid that they wouldn't be able to make any phonecalls since they were comming to a "poor 3rd world country"Like I said, you are a bigot. You can't just go and make a blind comment like that, and belief does not equal reality. It is official, I can't take you seriously anymore and neither should anybody else. I am American and I know about my own nation, you are a clear bigot, and until you fix that there is no reason to take you seriously. Oh and BTW, LOL at you thinking the US sees America as one giant continent! I have proved you wrong on that poverty BS you ignored and now I will here. The US sees North America and South America as two continents, not 1. I believe Europe sees it as 1, but not here. And the world has an incorrect view of this nation, which you fell into.im not anti american, I speak the truth, It's widely accepted that most of these people think like that. only a few actually know how things goes in developing countries.
lightleggy
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] So im biggoted because I speak the truth? :lol: ok whatever man, drop the ball already. And If you want to believe that PC is more pirated then do it, it's perfectly logical that you do it, just that you have the wrong reasons, for example thinking that it's near impossible to get across a console in countries where piracy is sky high or that you simply cant walk into a store and buy something.lightleggy
If you continue to hold bigoted beliefs of Americans (I read your above response), I'm not going to take you on your word about PC games. I say one thing, you misconstrued it, and now believe that I think it is impossible to play consoles in developing countries "because there all a bunch of savages" (which you said, not me). If you refuse to do any research and accept the fact that maybe not all Americans are bigoted, I don't see any reason to believe that you actually have any evidence to back up your claims on console game pirating.
In other words, holding opinionated views in one area often holds true that you hold purely opinionated beliefs in another area.
You've lost any credibility to me, and I'm sure many others who read this think the same.
I just lost credibility to you big deal, I obviously know not all americans are biggoted, but a lot of them are, and yeah your post was sounding as if you were saying that people here were savages because you were pretty much claiming that it's impossible to come across a console as if it was some sort of sacred item far away from the reach of poor people. Yes you didn't said it in those words, that's how I interprete it. You read it wrong as it didn't come across that way.[QUOTE="glez13"][QUOTE="lightleggy"]
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[QUOTE="FashionFreak"]
Games that are so old that they don't tangibly exist anymore are practically freeware. We're talking about current gen systems here. Those aren't played on a PC.
Wii? Maybe. If you have a PC powerful enough to play Wii on PC, then you most likely own a wii too and are just playing your backups on your PC.
lightleggy
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You guys are so ridiculous.
its true, like it or not, if you bought the game legally you can do whatever you want with it. Not here.[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="glez13"]its true, like it or not, if you bought the game legally you can do whatever you want with it. Not here. It is. Hell even dolphin is american made and it's still completely legal.>.>
You guys are so ridiculous.
DarkOfKnight
If you continue to hold bigoted beliefs of Americans (I read your above response), I'm not going to take you on your word about PC games. I say one thing, you misconstrued it, and now believe that I think it is impossible to play consoles in developing countries "because there all a bunch of savages" (which you said, not me). If you refuse to do any research and accept the fact that maybe not all Americans are bigoted, I don't see any reason to believe that you actually have any evidence to back up your claims on console game pirating.Well said.In other words, holding opinionated views in one area often holds true that you hold purely opinionated beliefs in another area.You've lost any credibility to me, and I'm sure many others who read this think the same.WiiCubeM1
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] So im biggoted because I speak the truth? :lol: ok whatever man, drop the ball already. And If you want to believe that PC is more pirated then do it, it's perfectly logical that you do it, just that you have the wrong reasons, for example thinking that it's near impossible to get across a console in countries where piracy is sky high or that you simply cant walk into a store and buy something.lightleggy
If you continue to hold bigoted beliefs of Americans (I read your above response), I'm not going to take you on your word about PC games. I say one thing, you misconstrued it, and now believe that I think it is impossible to play consoles in developing countries "because there all a bunch of savages" (which you said, not me). If you refuse to do any research and accept the fact that maybe not all Americans are bigoted, I don't see any reason to believe that you actually have any evidence to back up your claims on console game pirating.
In other words, holding opinionated views in one area often holds true that you hold purely opinionated beliefs in another area.
You've lost any credibility to me, and I'm sure many others who read this think the same.
I just lost credibility to you big deal, I obviously know not all americans are biggoted, but a lot of them are, and yeah your post was sounding as if you were saying that people here were savages because you were pretty much claiming that it's impossible to come across a console as if it was some sort of sacred item far away from the reach of poor people. Yes you didn't said it in those words, that's how I interprete it.I've learned in my arguments on OT NEVER to assume someone said something. You debate intelligently and make your argument general enough as to not insult the other poster. Then just throwing in insults and saying things you don't ACTUALLY believe don't help the situation, either.
I never said that it was impossible to get a console over there. I was implying that in comparison to a developed country, developing countries are less likely to have a sizeable amount of the populace using consoles due to the difficulties in owning and using them in some of those places, either through lack of consistent electricity, national laws, or just the fact that the consoles are just not sold over there. These aren't biased as many developing countries deal with these issues. I never claimed they were savages, just it was more difficult to use them over there than it is to use a PC. To use a pirated game, it means to own a modded console. To play a pirated PC game, it just requires you owning a flash-drive and have access to a PC, which are available to use in every country on the planet.
I just lost credibility to you big deal, I obviously know not all americans are biggoted, but a lot of them are, and yeah your post was sounding as if you were saying that people here were savages because you were pretty much claiming that it's impossible to come across a console as if it was some sort of sacred item far away from the reach of poor people. Yes you didn't said it in those words, that's how I interprete it.[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
If you continue to hold bigoted beliefs of Americans (I read your above response), I'm not going to take you on your word about PC games. I say one thing, you misconstrued it, and now believe that I think it is impossible to play consoles in developing countries "because there all a bunch of savages" (which you said, not me). If you refuse to do any research and accept the fact that maybe not all Americans are bigoted, I don't see any reason to believe that you actually have any evidence to back up your claims on console game pirating.
In other words, holding opinionated views in one area often holds true that you hold purely opinionated beliefs in another area.
You've lost any credibility to me, and I'm sure many others who read this think the same.
WiiCubeM1
I've learned in my arguments on OT NEVER to assume someone said something. You debate intelligently and make your argument general enough as to not insult the other poster. Then just throwing in insults and saying things you don't ACTUALLY believe don't help the situation, either.
I never said that it was impossible to get a console over there. I was implying that in comparison to a developed country, developing countries are less likely to have a sizeable amount of the populace using consoles due to the difficulties in owning and using them in some of those places, either through lack of consistent electricity, national laws, or just the fact that the consoles are just not sold over there. These aren't biased as many developing countries deal with these issues. I never claimed they were savages, just it was more difficult to use them over there than it is to use a PC. To use a pirated game, it means to own a modded console. To play a pirated PC game, it just requires you owning a flash-drive and have access to a PC, which are available to use in every country on the planet.
Thing is a developing country is extremely different from an underdeveloped country. afghanistan is under developed, costa rica is developing, and US is a developed country. it's not hard to come across technology in a developing country, but it is in underdeveloped ones.Piracy on PC is 100x larger. Its always been,always will be...
Just SHUT UP! You can't even get what my point was.Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.
[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"]Isn't past your bed time? Get lost troll, you don't even get what the topic is. Can't even find a correct legal case. Get lost, this is getting old. Again, you don't own what is on the disc and making illegal copies is a violation of federal law. Take a class in US business law before you talk to me.DarkOfKnightFrom the nintendo site as well Can I Download a Nintendo ROM from the Internet if I Already Own the Authentic Game? There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet. TL;DR it is illegal to download and play ROM/ISO from the internet, it is not illegal to do so if you already have the game and dont download the ISO from the internet (in other word if you make a backup of the game) And please, it's so obvious that you are just mad you have nothing else to respond, I already proved you wrong now you are covering your ears and making the lala sound, I was expecting more from you... oh and that case is a perfect example, it was perfectly legal, all due process was made the right way and the veredict was very clear. you are just in butthurt denial. Please, try harder. You really don't get this do you?
Just SHUT UP! You can't even get what my point was. u You are the idiot here dude...look at the key words "FROM THE INTERNET" you know what is going on in that text? Nintendo is being ambiguous idiot, because they know that they cant put fake legal info or they'll get their asses sued in 2 seconds, so they dont directly answer the question and try to confuse the reader. and again the case I posted was completely legal: every game has a BIOS, it is illegal to get one of them from the internet but there is this wonderful process called FILE DUMPING which is COMPLETELY LEGAL and can be used to "extract" the files from YOUR disc into a computer in which case it makes the emulation LEGAL. it's illegal if you download from the internet, it's not if you copy the files yourself from your disc. not only you are captain idiot but you are also captain butthurt. seriously your image is getting so badly damaged with these pointless damage control of yours.Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.
Can we continue to discuss the topic instead of engaging in personal insults? This is supposed to be System Wars, not Fanboy Wars.mario-galaxysDon't see any fanboys here.
Just SHUT UP! You can't even get what my point was. u You are the idiot here dude...look at the key words "FROM THE INTERNET" you know what is going on in that text? Nintendo is being ambiguous idiot, because they know that they cant put fake legal info or they'll get their asses sued in 2 seconds, so they dont directly answer the question and try to confuse the reader. and again the case I posted was completely legal: every game has a BIOS, it is illegal to get one of them from the internet but there is this wonderful process called FILE DUMPING which is COMPLETELY LEGAL and can be used to "extract" the files from YOUR disc into a computer in which case it makes the emulation LEGAL. it's illegal if you download from the internet, it's not if you copy the files yourself from your disc. not only you are captain idiot but you are also captain butthurt. seriously your image is getting so badly damaged with these pointless damage control of yours.I am done with you. You are the worst troll I ever seen. Call me when you finally understand the point. I won't go around in circles with you...Or in two different directions from the way you seem to want it.Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.
Just SHUT UP! You can't even get what my point was. u You are the idiot here dude...look at the key words "FROM THE INTERNET" you know what is going on in that text? Nintendo is being ambiguous idiot, because they know that they cant put fake legal info or they'll get their asses sued in 2 seconds, so they dont directly answer the question and try to confuse the reader. and again the case I posted was completely legal: every game has a BIOS, it is illegal to get one of them from the internet but there is this wonderful process called FILE DUMPING which is COMPLETELY LEGAL and can be used to "extract" the files from YOUR disc into a computer in which case it makes the emulation LEGAL. it's illegal if you download from the internet, it's not if you copy the files yourself from your disc. not only you are captain idiot but you are also captain butthurt. seriously your image is getting so badly damaged with these pointless damage control of yours.I am done with you. You are the worst troll I ever seen. Call me when you finally understand the point. I won't go around in circles with you...Or in two different directions from the way you seem to want it. if im a bad troll then you are a worse victim since you kept on falling on my "trolling" and no I wasn't trolling you and anyone who takes the time to read our discussion will surely say how pathetic you sound by instantly dismissing all of my claims with "no no its not like that!"Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.
No facts from me but I always thought it was so much easier on PC. It's pretty much just download and you're free to do it. No modifications on your PC required.
Piracy does exist on consoles, even on the PS3, but it's not that much of a problem.
Just my say
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] I just lost credibility to you big deal, I obviously know not all americans are biggoted, but a lot of them are, and yeah your post was sounding as if you were saying that people here were savages because you were pretty much claiming that it's impossible to come across a console as if it was some sort of sacred item far away from the reach of poor people. Yes you didn't said it in those words, that's how I interprete it.lightleggy
I've learned in my arguments on OT NEVER to assume someone said something. You debate intelligently and make your argument general enough as to not insult the other poster. Then just throwing in insults and saying things you don't ACTUALLY believe don't help the situation, either.
I never said that it was impossible to get a console over there. I was implying that in comparison to a developed country, developing countries are less likely to have a sizeable amount of the populace using consoles due to the difficulties in owning and using them in some of those places, either through lack of consistent electricity, national laws, or just the fact that the consoles are just not sold over there. These aren't biased as many developing countries deal with these issues. I never claimed they were savages, just it was more difficult to use them over there than it is to use a PC. To use a pirated game, it means to own a modded console. To play a pirated PC game, it just requires you owning a flash-drive and have access to a PC, which are available to use in every country on the planet.
Thing is a developing country is extremely different from an underdeveloped country. afghanistan is under developed, costa rica is developing, and US is a developed country. it's not hard to come across technology in a developing country, but it is in underdeveloped ones.Actually, in a economic sense, a developing country and an underdeveloped country are the same thing. Developing country covers a wide range of development, ranging from native tribes in South America and Africa to people with an established government system, but haven't quite reached industrialization yet as a means of profit. You're arguing the place of "newly industrialized nations" (that is the official term). I think this argument has been just because we've been misconsturing each other's views on the situation.
if im a bad troll then you are a worse victim since you kept on falling on my "trolling" and no I wasn't trolling you and anyone who takes the time to read our discussion will surely say how pathetic you sound by instantly dismissing all of my claims with "no no its not like that!"lightleggy...............Still doesn't get it. Well, now back to something less moronic. It is worse on PC, present on consoles but worse on the PC. Of course this depends on the market, the situation is different in China than the USA.
Thing is a developing country is extremely different from an underdeveloped country. afghanistan is under developed, costa rica is developing, and US is a developed country. it's not hard to come across technology in a developing country, but it is in underdeveloped ones.[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
I've learned in my arguments on OT NEVER to assume someone said something. You debate intelligently and make your argument general enough as to not insult the other poster. Then just throwing in insults and saying things you don't ACTUALLY believe don't help the situation, either.
I never said that it was impossible to get a console over there. I was implying that in comparison to a developed country, developing countries are less likely to have a sizeable amount of the populace using consoles due to the difficulties in owning and using them in some of those places, either through lack of consistent electricity, national laws, or just the fact that the consoles are just not sold over there. These aren't biased as many developing countries deal with these issues. I never claimed they were savages, just it was more difficult to use them over there than it is to use a PC. To use a pirated game, it means to own a modded console. To play a pirated PC game, it just requires you owning a flash-drive and have access to a PC, which are available to use in every country on the planet.
WiiCubeM1
Actually, in a economic sense, a developing country and an underdeveloped country are the same thing. Developing country covers a wide range of development, ranging from native tribes in South America and Africa to people with an established government system, but haven't quite reached industrialization yet as a means of profit. You're arguing the place of "newly industrialized nations" (that is the official term). I think this argument has been just because we've been misconsturing each other's views on the situation.
Well in that case I apologize if I offended you, we are clerly not understanding each others, sorry I just got a little pissed off because I really thought you were saying that technology doesn't exist in these countries :PWell I've never seen piracy flat out kill a system as it did the PSP in the west. Even Sony acknowledges that fact.
Well I've never seen piracy flat out kill a system as it did the PSP in the west. Even Sony acknowledges that fact.
Raymundo_Manuel
I've seen developers abandon the Amiga because of piracy. To add insult to injury, many of its fanboys were the ones bootlegging. That's why I regard all pirates as low-life, no-good scum....on all platforms.
PC without a doubt. Perhaps it is why the software doesn't sell as much as the console counterpart.
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