Is Portal considered an fps (poll included, you must vote)

i know i shouldnt have to ask this, but i got into a tiny debate in another thread and i just wanted to make this public to give myself some sort of self gratification knowing most of SW agree with me.

So SW, is Portal an fps?

(by the way, my answer is no, just so we're clear)

Well, you shoot portals and it's first person, so wouldn't it technically be an fps?DragonfireXZ95

first person puzzler. wouldnt call it a shooter

It's a platform/puzzle game

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Well, you shoot portals and it's first person, so wouldn't it technically be an fps?call_of_duty_10

Its a puzzle game, but I have no problem someone calling it a FPS/puzzle game.

I consider it a First-Person Shooter/Puzzle hybrid.

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] [QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Well, you shoot portals and it's first person, so wouldn't it technically be an fps?DragonfireXZ95

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Well, you shoot portals and it's first person, so wouldn't it technically be an fps?DragonfireXZ95

No. It is a first person puzzle-adventure. It is a sub-genre of the first-person genre. Much like Metroid Prime is mislabelled a first-person shooter, so is this. Just because a game is in first person, doesn't make it a shooter.

A dating simulator... weighted companion cube deserves all the love!

First person puzzler.

Same for Metroid, it could techncally be called an FPS, but it's more of an FPA (first-person-adventure) with shooter elements.

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Well, you shoot portals and it's first person, so wouldn't it technically be an fps?DragonfireXZ95

Only by the most stultifyingly literal definition of that genre.

You play the role of Chell, but it isn't a role-playing game. The puzzles require strategy and the game is played in real-time, but it isn't a real-time strategy game. Etcetera.

Portal 2 is played in first person, but it is not a first person shooter. Not all first person games are shooters. Amnesia: TDD is in first person, but it is a first person adventure game since you do not have any weapons.

Sure, your "shooting" portals, but you're not actually shooting the turrets with an M4 or anything like that.

I'd consider it more of a First Person puzzle game. I wouldn't consider it a shooter because you never actually shoot at enemies or anything with your gun.

Portal 2 is played in first person, but it is not a first person shooter. Not all first person games are shooters. Amnesia: TDD is in first person, but it is a first person adventure game since you do not have any weapons.

Sure, your "shooting" portals, but you're not actually shooting the turrets with an M4 or anything like that.

Valiant_Rebel

You are shooting the walls with your portals. It is a FPS. Amnesia is not a FPS because there is no shooting. Portal is in first person, has a gun, and allows you to shoot it. It is also a puzzler, but that doesn't mean it isn't a FPS.

[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

Portal 2 is played in first person, but it is not a first person shooter. Not all first person games are shooters. Amnesia: TDD is in first person, but it is a first person adventure game since you do not have any weapons.

Sure, your "shooting" portals, but you're not actually shooting the turrets with an M4 or anything like that.

hoola

You are shooting the walls with your portals. It is a FPS. Amnesia is not a FPS because there is no shooting. Portal is in first person, has a gun, and allows you to shoot it. It is also a puzzler, but that doesn't mean it isn't a FPS.

What it is exactly I don't know. Some kind of puzzler/platformer. Shooter I don't think so.

[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

Portal 2 is played in first person, but it is not a first person shooter. Not all first person games are shooters. Amnesia: TDD is in first person, but it is a first person adventure game since you do not have any weapons.

Sure, your "shooting" portals, but you're not actually shooting the turrets with an M4 or anything like that.

hoola

You are shooting the walls with your portals. It is a FPS. Amnesia is not a FPS because there is no shooting. Portal is in first person, has a gun, and allows you to shoot it. It is also a puzzler, but that doesn't mean it isn't a FPS.

The Portal "gun" is not a weapon. FPS are centered around combat in the first person, while Portal has zero combat and is centered around puzzle-solving.

Really, Portal wouldn't be changed a bit if the portals came out of your hand, or just appeared wherever you clicked. All the "gun" does is facilitate the puzzle-solving mechanic.

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[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

Portal 2 is played in first person, but it is not a first person shooter. Not all first person games are shooters. Amnesia: TDD is in first person, but it is a first person adventure game since you do not have any weapons.

Sure, your "shooting" portals, but you're not actually shooting the turrets with an M4 or anything like that.

San_09

You are shooting the walls with your portals. It is a FPS. Amnesia is not a FPS because there is no shooting. Portal is in first person, has a gun, and allows you to shoot it. It is also a puzzler, but that doesn't mean it isn't a FPS.

Zelda and Ratchet and Clank are Third Person Shooters and in the case of zelda might even be called a Third person action game because a lot of the combat is using a sword. If these games have first person elements for certain sequences the you could say that they have first person elements, but those games are mostly played in third person, just like Portal is entirely played in FIRST PERSON and allows you to shoot the portal gun throughout the entire game. I don't know how you are confusing FPS and TPS.

@charokee_Jack "

The Portal "gun" is not a weapon. FPS are centered around combat in the first person, while Portal has zero combat and is centered around puzzle-solving.

Really, Portal wouldn't be changed a bit if the portals came out of your hand, or just appeared wherever you clicked. All the "gun" does is facilitate the puzzle-solving mechanic."

And neither would other FPS games change if the enemies simply automatically got shot if the guns were taken out of the players hands. In portal the guns facilitates the puzzle-solving mechanic, in other FPS games it facilitates the combat. There is no difference, you shoot in both games but at different objects. The saying First Person Shooter, does not define what you are shooting at, it only defines that you are in first person and shooting some kind of weapon, which you do in Portal.

[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

Portal 2 is played in first person, but it is not a first person shooter. Not all first person games are shooters. Amnesia: TDD is in first person, but it is a first person adventure game since you do not have any weapons.

Sure, your "shooting" portals, but you're not actually shooting the turrets with an M4 or anything like that.

hoola

You are shooting the walls with your portals. It is a FPS. Amnesia is not a FPS because there is no shooting. Portal is in first person, has a gun, and allows you to shoot it. It is also a puzzler, but that doesn't mean it isn't a FPS.

Yeah, but the purpose of "shooting" the portals is to solve puzzles in a platformer kinda fashion. Portal is probably a puzzler/platformer. I agree that his definition of shooter meaning turrets and M4's is also kinda stretching it, but in a shooter you are supposed to shoot for the sake of shooting, not necessarily a common concept of a gun. Probably I'm also stretching it and more elaboration is needed but if the main purpose isn't the one of the genre it isn't of the genre it's something else.

I don't think it's a FPS, it's more of a first-person platformer.

[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

Portal 2 is played in first person, but it is not a first person shooter. Not all first person games are shooters. Amnesia: TDD is in first person, but it is a first person adventure game since you do not have any weapons.

Sure, your "shooting" portals, but you're not actually shooting the turrets with an M4 or anything like that.

hoola

You are shooting the walls with your portals. It is a FPS. Amnesia is not a FPS because there is no shooting. Portal is in first person, has a gun, and allows you to shoot it. It is also a puzzler, but that doesn't mean it isn't a FPS.

So... do you consider Mirror's Edge a FPS too?? :roll:

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Well, you shoot portals and it's first person, so wouldn't it technically be an fps?call_of_duty_10

[QUOTE="hoola"]

[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

Portal 2 is played in first person, but it is not a first person shooter. Not all first person games are shooters. Amnesia: TDD is in first person, but it is a first person adventure game since you do not have any weapons.

Sure, your "shooting" portals, but you're not actually shooting the turrets with an M4 or anything like that.

GreenGoblin2099

You are shooting the walls with your portals. It is a FPS. Amnesia is not a FPS because there is no shooting. Portal is in first person, has a gun, and allows you to shoot it. It is also a puzzler, but that doesn't mean it isn't a FPS.

So... do you consider Mirror's Edge a FPS too?? :roll:

Yes...Just like in Half life you have the choice of using a gun or not (could use the Crowbar if you want, the difference is that combat in HL2 was more focused on the shooting elements than the melee, and the opposite for Mirrors Edge but that doesn't mean either were not FPS games) for the entire game. There were several times in Mirrors Edge that i chose to use a gun rather than the hand to hand combat. I didn't use a gun for the entire game, which we do in portal, but the option was still there.

No, It's a first person puzzle game.

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Well, you shoot portals and it's first person, so wouldn't it technically be an fps?lightleggy

True. As long as the game focuses mainly on projectile shooting combat action, it is a shooter. If it is a traditional gun, bow and arrow, magic fireballs, in first or third person, 2D or 3D, is a different story that will only help to specify more but it's still shooter.

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[QUOTE="hoola"]

You are shooting the walls with your portals. It is a FPS. Amnesia is not a FPS because there is no shooting. Portal is in first person, has a gun, and allows you to shoot it. It is also a puzzler, but that doesn't mean it isn't a FPS.

hoola

So... do you consider Mirror's Edge a FPS too?? :roll:

Yes...Just like in Half life you have the choice of using a gun or not (could use the Crowbar if you want, the difference is that combat in HL2 was more focused on the shooting elements than the melee, and the opposite for Mirrors Edge but that doesn't mean either were not FPS games) for the entire game. There were several times in Mirrors Edge that i chose to use a gun rather than the hand to hand combat. I didn't use a gun for the entire game, which we do in portal, but the option was still there.

There's so much fail in your words, man... the point of ME is the platforming. Yeah, it has a gun but having a gun doesn't mean it's a shooter. Same with Portal, the point of Portal is solving the puzzles.

Platform oriented = platformer

Puzzle oriented = Puzzle game

Anyway, I'll stick to my first response... dating simulator because my companion cube gets all the love.

And neither would other FPS games change if the enemies simply automatically got shot if the guns were taken out of the players hands. In portal the guns facilitates the puzzle-solving mechanic, in other FPS games it facilitates the combat. There is no difference, you shoot in both games but at different objects. The saying First Person Shooter, does not define what you are shooting at, it only defines that you are in first person and shooting some kind of weapon, which you do in Portal.

hoola

That definition is just completely arbitrary.

What is it about aiming a reticle to launch something in a specific direction that demands all games that include that mechanic be thrown together under the same genre? Genres categorize games based on gameplay, so why should a game that plays nothing at all like 99% of FPS be called an FPS? Even, say, Mario Kart and Forza have some fundamental gameplay concepts in common, hence they're both called racers.

[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

Portal 2 is played in first person, but it is not a first person shooter. Not all first person games are shooters. Amnesia: TDD is in first person, but it is a first person adventure game since you do not have any weapons.

Sure, your "shooting" portals, but you're not actually shooting the turrets with an M4 or anything like that.

hoola

You are shooting the walls with your portals. It is a FPS. Amnesia is not a FPS because there is no shooting. Portal is in first person, has a gun, and allows you to shoot it. It is also a puzzler, but that doesn't mean it isn't a FPS.

Somehow, I feel this comes from how literal we want to take it. I know you have the portal gun that you shoot while in first person, but I still find the proper label to be first person puzzle adventure over first person shooter since the focus of game is based around solving puzzles.

Portal stands out from other first person shooters (Counter Strike, TF2, Halo, CoD, KZ2/3, BFBC2, etc.). It's hard to say that Portal plays exactly like one of these games when it is not combat oriented. It's more of a combination of genres, but the puzzle elements stands out more than the shooting.

It's a puzzle game. Calling Portal a shooter just because you shoot portals makes about as much since as calling Super Mario Brothers a shooter because you can shoot fireballs out once you grab the flower power up.

No, it's a puzzle game.

If it was in first person, but the game had an old cartoon-like mechanic where you picked up holes off the ground and threw them with your hands, and those were your portals, there wouldn't be any debate over whether or not the game is a first person shooter. Since having the portals be shot by a gun doesn't actually make the game any nearer to being a first person shooter than that in a gameplay sense, there's really only superficial arguments that can be made for Portal being a first person shooter.

No it a first person puzzle game.

No, it's a puzzle present in a first person perspective.

It's in first person, and you shoot things (portals). So yes, its an first person shooter.

It's in first person, and you shoot things (portals). So yes, its an first person shooter.

FoShlzzle17

Of course not. Only crazy people call it a FPS.Guppy507

Yeah everyone knows its a First Person Portal Shooter (FPPS). >.>