Is PS4 will be... 4K?

You guys still dont diffrent rendering from outputing and fact that game does not need to be high-end and struggle with hardware, again what games run 1080p on today consoles?

ShadowriverUB

Rayman Origins and a few other titles no one cares about.

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

Maybe you right, but we still got 4KTV outputing device if Sony will provide them why not promote in same as they did with 3D?

ChubbyGuy40

Because 4k upscaling means nothing when

1. It's just upscaling. All 5 people that'll be able to use it right now won't care either.

2. There is no content what-so-ever that supports 4k resolution. We didn't crap ourselves over 1080p upscaling DVD players, we won't bother looking at current 4k upscaling Blu-Ray players.

1. Did you know that PS3 upscales games too? what does that mean to 4K as equivlent?

2. Content can be rendered (but im not saying it need to be full 4K), but i do aggre that there might be problems with movies and there still no medium.

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

You guys still dont diffrent rendering from outputing and fact that game does not need to be high-end and struggle with hardware, again what games run 1080p on today consoles?

ChubbyGuy40

Rayman Origins and a few other titles no one cares about.

Bingo! finlly someone that think ^^ and fact that you don;'t care doesn ot mean others don't care

1. Did you know that PS3 upscales games too? what does that mean to 4K as equivlent?

2. Content can be rendered (but im not saying it need to be full 4K), but i do aggre that there might be problems with movies and there still no medium.

ShadowriverUB

1. The PS3 will upscale certain games. It will either upscale vertically, such as GT5, or normally with some games. It was unlocked for full upscaling, but sometimes lacks the RAM to do so. If it can't, it will be sent at it's native resolution to the TV/receiver. If you try to force a resolution it doesn't support, sometimes it'll even lower itself to 480p.

2. Only PC games support that resolution, and photos, so it's quite useless since I highly doubt it'll even be ready in 5 years. We still have trouble moving to 720p with some content.

Oh, Pc can run those games... why not next gen consoles?

Oh, Pc can run those games... why not next gen consoles?

ShadowriverUB

Uhm no.

It takes 4 video cards to run TODAY's games on 4 1080p panels. You think the PS4 will be able to do that for even mroe advanced games?

You ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------> reality.

;)

Kinthalis

[QUOTE="PraetorianMan"]

The tech to affordably render a game in 4k resolution is WAYY off. PS4 would have to be a $1,000 console that still bleeds tons of money.

ShadowriverUB

You guys still dont diffrent rendering from outputing and fact that game does not need to be high-end and struggle with hardware, again what games run 1080p on today consoles?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Uhm no.

It takes 4 video cards to run TODAY's games on 4 1080p panels. You think the PS4 will be able to do that for even mroe advanced games?

You ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------> reality.

;)

Shielder7

What exactly is the price/estimated price of a 4K TV?

EDIT:

Found this article regarding 2160p TV's.

For example, Westinghouse has been offering 2160p TVs with sizes up to 52".

The Westinghouse Quad HDTV is not sold on the open market, but our sources say that you won't be able to buy one for less than $40,000 at this time. So we don't even ask how much that 82" 2160p TV could cost and wait until we win the lottery first.

TGDAILY

4k resolution is borderline useless. You'd need a 100" screen and sit within 20 feet (which is TOO CLOSE) to notice any difference in the pixels.

It's 1080p @ 120fps all over again. Of course any gpu can be made to render 4x1080p in theory. The bigger question is, what are you rendering? An actual game? or some 'out of context' tech demo? Sony means the latter obviously

What exactly is the price/estimated price of a 4K TV?

D4W1L4H

About 2 houses and a cabin in the woods.

Oh, Pc can run those games... why not next gen consoles?

ShadowriverUB

Memory, power, energy requirements, heat displacement. PC worries naught about such trivial issues. Next gen consoles are expected to take size over power, kinda like what Wii did.

What exactly is the price/estimated price of a 4K TV?

D4W1L4H

The first bluray player ever costed like $4000, so I'd wait a long time before adopting 4k. Heck, 3DTVs aren't even mainstream, yet.

Oh, Pc can run those games... why not next gen consoles?

ShadowriverUB

[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Uhm no.

It takes 4 video cards to run TODAY's games on 4 1080p panels. You think the PS4 will be able to do that for even mroe advanced games?

You ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------> reality.

;)

wis3boi

The tech to [affordably] render a game in 4k resolution is WAYY off. PS4 would have to be a $1,000 console that still bleeds tons of money. PraetorianMan

Now yes in a few years no.

No way in hell.

PS4 would need to be extremely powerful, which would mean = EXPENSIVE console launch = RIP Sony :lol:

I know it's incredibly unlikely.

but all the more reason to be interested in seeing what Sony does for the PS4.

or for that matter what Microsoft will do for the next Xbox.

They'll probably say it'll be 4k, but in the end most will be 1080p with 30fps :/

No way the PS4 does 4K. It won't have the hardware. Let's say it does 4K, the Nextbox will likely be 1080p. All of the multiplats will be 1080p and not 4K. Even a lot of PS3 exclusives are only 720p. It would be a waste.

If true it will only be able to play 4K movies not games. Maybe a few psn 2d or really stripped down 3d titles could be 4K but all retail games will be 1080p/30 fps or maybe slightly less.

Maybe it can play 4K native Dual layer BD discs or maybe HVD. Sony always pushes for a new medium so its highly possible that it may play 4K native movies.

Its hardware will be sufficient for 4K movies. My HD6850 can easily play a 4K native stream from youtube or a 4K movie trailer.

Its hardware will be sufficient for 4K movies. My HD6850 can easily play a 4K native stream from youtube or a 4K movie trailer.

XBoxgamer555

Are there 4k videos on the net? Never seen one.

Now yes in a few years no.

Shielder7

nope, 4X 480gtx probably wouldn't be able to do 4k, or would get like 15fps. Unless the PS4 comes out in 6-7 years time this will never happen.

4k is useless for about 99.999999% of PS4 consumers anyway, unless you own a proper home theatre with a 4k projector, then this will be useless for what the majority have which is 32"-60" screens. Most content on current gen consoles is still not 1080p, lets reach that goal first.

Even a HD6770 is enough for playing 4K movies.

I am expecting a high capacity disc player in the ps4 for movies.

Sony Developing Successor to Blu-ray: Link

4K native disc player in PS4 confirmed.

[QUOTE="Shielder7"]

Now yes in a few years no.

APiranhaAteMyVa

nope, 4X 480gtx probably wouldn't be able to do 4k, or would get like 15fps. Unless the PS4 comes out in 6-7 years time this will never happen.

4k is useless for about 99.999999% of PS4 consumers anyway, unless you own a proper home theatre with a 4k projector, then this will be useless for what the majority have which is 32"-60" screens. Most content on current gen consoles is still not 1080p, lets reach that goal first.

4K will be for movies only not games. Games will only be 1080p

[QUOTE="XBoxgamer555"]

Its hardware will be sufficient for 4K movies. My HD6850 can easily play a 4K native stream from youtube or a 4K movie trailer.

edidili

Are there 4k videos on the net? Never seen one.

there are somestreams in youtube on 4K native resolution.

Expect a pricey Sony console again. Lets hope they dont cheapen up on the gpu to compensate for the expensive 4k disc player.

Price: 7-800 dollars

GPU: HD7850 28nm (slightly gimped) TDP 80 watt

Vram:3GB XDR2 on a 192 bit bus

Bandwidth: 140 GB/S

CPU: 8 x 3.2 Ghrz IBM Power 7( 28nm ) TDP 65 watt

System ram: 4 GB DDR3

Storage: 500GB HDD

Next gen BD playerfor 4K movies.

PSU: 300watt

Size is slightly larger than the launch ps3.

Enjoy games in 1080p native resolution and 4K resolution movies if you have a nice NG projector.

I would pay 700-800 bucks for this wonder.

Or how about a PS4 without 4K native support but only with a upscaler for 500 dollars or less.

The next generation of consoles will be 1080p at the absolute best for gaming. Anyone believing consoles in 2012 will be running games in a resolution 4 x 1080p has either no understanding whatsoever or is psychotically delusional.

Understand that the step up from 720p - 1080p means a DOUBLING of resolution capacity. 1080p = 2x pixels of 720p. It's a huge step up and quite frankly the consoles out next year will be lucky enough to do that.

if the ps4 is two years out, I don't see why it is so hard to believe. Wasn't the N64 320x240, for the most part? And then the xbox was able to display 720p?

Lol no. The PS4 will not be 4k. It will barely be 1080p. That's if they decide to actually put some horsepower in the consoles instead of just waggle.

Well guys we will see ^^ as i said i just throwing idea, i know 4K still don't have much base.But no one knows what may happen.... i will revice this thread if PS4 ever gonna support 4K and see how you guys react :lol:

BTW Thank god, you guys are not reponcible for evolution of techbnology and gaming, we would stay in rock ages

Keep on dreaming consolites.

if the ps4 is two years out, I don't see why it is so hard to believe. Wasn't the N64 320x240, for the most part? And then the xbox was able to display 720p?

Heirren

It's so hard to believe because it's exponentially larger.

The difference between 4K and 2K is much bigger than the difference between 480p and 240p.

And as we already mentioned, 4K is pretty useless to invest billions in.

[QUOTE="edidili"]

[QUOTE="XBoxgamer555"]

Its hardware will be sufficient for 4K movies. My HD6850 can easily play a 4K native stream from youtube or a 4K movie trailer.

XBoxgamer555

Are there 4k videos on the net? Never seen one.

there are somestreams in youtube on 4K native resolution.

Uhm no.

It takes 4 video cards to run TODAY's games on 4 1080p panels. You think the PS4 will be able to do that for even mroe advanced games?

You ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------> reality.

;)

Kinthalis

The next PS4 isn't here yet.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

if the ps4 is two years out, I don't see why it is so hard to believe. Wasn't the N64 320x240, for the most part? And then the xbox was able to display 720p?

peterw007

It's so hard to believe because it's exponentially larger.

The difference between 4K and 2K is much bigger than the difference between 480p and 240p.

And as we already mentioned, 4K is pretty useless to invest billions in.

Yes, but technology only seems to evolve faster and faster. I just think it is silly to think that it is impossible.

***I don't understand why you think 4k is useless. Anybody that does any form of digital arts will tell you otherwise--that resolution and display quality is essential.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

if the ps4 is two years out, I don't see why it is so hard to believe. Wasn't the N64 320x240, for the most part? And then the xbox was able to display 720p?

Heirren

It's so hard to believe because it's exponentially larger.

The difference between 4K and 2K is much bigger than the difference between 480p and 240p.

And as we already mentioned, 4K is pretty useless to invest billions in.

Yes, but technology only seems to evolve faster and faster. I just think it is silly to think that it is impossible.

***I don't understand why you think 4k is useless. Anybody that does any form of digital arts will tell you otherwise--that resolution and display quality is essential.

You need a really large screen to tell the difference between a 1080p Blu-ray and a 4K movie.

Even in games, 4K only shows its benefits when you have a very large screen.

And all throughout history, film's highest native resolution has been 2K (1080p). Having another kind of disk format that supports 4K is just redundant.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

It's so hard to believe because it's exponentially larger.

The difference between 4K and 2K is much bigger than the difference between 480p and 240p.

And as we already mentioned, 4K is pretty useless to invest billions in.

peterw007

Yes, but technology only seems to evolve faster and faster. I just think it is silly to think that it is impossible.

***I don't understand why you think 4k is useless. Anybody that does any form of digital arts will tell you otherwise--that resolution and display quality is essential.

You need a really large screen to tell the difference between a 1080p Blu-ray and a 4K movie.

Even in games, 4K only shows its benefits when you have a very large screen.

And all throughout history, film's highest native resolution has been 2K (1080p). Having another kind of disk format that supports 4K is just redundant.

I don't think a word you just said is in any way correct.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Yes, but technology only seems to evolve faster and faster. I just think it is silly to think that it is impossible.

***I don't understand why you think 4k is useless. Anybody that does any form of digital arts will tell you otherwise--that resolution and display quality is essential.

Heirren

You need a really large screen to tell the difference between a 1080p Blu-ray and a 4K movie.

Even in games, 4K only shows its benefits when you have a very large screen.

And all throughout history, film's highest native resolution has been 2K (1080p). Having another kind of disk format that supports 4K is just redundant.

I don't think a word you just said is in any way correct.

Oh yeah? Then prove me wrong. I have no problem with being wrong, but you have to give me some evidence.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

You need a really large screen to tell the difference between a 1080p Blu-ray and a 4K movie.

Even in games, 4K only shows its benefits when you have a very large screen.

And all throughout history, film's highest native resolution has been 2K (1080p). Having another kind of disk format that supports 4K is just redundant.

peterw007

I don't think a word you just said is in any way correct.

Oh yeah? Then prove me wrong.

Resolution/screen size? GOogle it. And you really think films highest native resolution is 2K?

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

I don't think a word you just said is in any way correct.

Heirren

Oh yeah? Then prove me wrong.

Resolution/screen size? GOogle it. And you really think films highest native resolution is 2K?

Film. As in, actual film. You know...real 35mm film that they used to shoot movies on?

And yes, I have researched it in the past.