@FastRobby: And you're like the loser who does nothing but browse forums. I got a job and family bud, don't always have time to read all the quality replies. Go ask for your lunch money now
I know 99.9% of people here are going to violently disagree with me but I don't care.
The thesis is: IS SONY TRYING TO ARTIFICIALLY COMPENSATE LACK OF THEIR OWN GAMES WITH MARKETING DEALS AND EXCLUSIVE DLCS AS TO SEEM A POWERHOUSE ON THE MARKET?
I firmly believe so and there are some indications of it being the case, even if nothing is really stonewall. Let's look no further than at E3 where Microsoft has both tangible upcoming titles releasing this year with Halo, Forza, Tomb Raider, Fable, and potentially Crackdown / Scalebound as well as some titles coming early 2016 like Quantum Break and if they slip, then Crackdown / Scalebound, plus Gears for slightly later on. Then there's the matter of other studios and some teased but otherwise announced new IPs. I'm not saying that it is an amazing lineup of games or anything (as a matter of fact these games might not be everyone's cup of tea), just merely stating the facts plus some educated guesses.
Then we can take a look at Sony and if we take only retail AAA games with worldwide appeal that are fully fleshed out at the moment then it's just Uncharted that we know of this far.
With the recent talk of Sony trying to acquire marketing rights for Call of Duty franchise, after having secured the ones for Battlefront and scoring many other exclusive deals before, like DLCs, I'm strongly inclined to say that is their new strategy as of late. First it was indies, not because they cared about indies at all (they don't; no more than any other company), but because they wanted to be in the spotlight and seem "a good guy", and again, trying to compensate their lack of games. Now they switched their efforts from indies to exclusive marketing rights or DLCs.
I don't care if you agree or not - IT HAD TO BE SAID.
Of course if it was Microsoft doing this, and I'd be writing about this, then I'd get standing ovation from thousands of people, but since it's the MESSIAH-ARS of gaming, I'll rather get stoned to death.
Bon soir, regret, Ã demain, Ã demain!
Wait so you are counting Tomb Raider as an exclusive MS game.? Did i miss something.? Did MS bough Tomb Raider and no one told me.?
Hell the game is coming to 360 as well,and latter even to PS4 and PC.
Crackdown was never 2015,scalebound either those games are TBA 2016 not even early,we all know what happen to Phamtom Dust which banish and Quantum break which was push to 2016 confirming the leak earlier.
That bold part really make me laugh so in other words lets count what ever the fu** i want to and ignore what doesn't serve me right,so in what planet Scalebound and Quantum Break are big AAA retail games with world wide appeal.? They are 2 unproven series which can flop just as hard as The Order or Drive Club did,Halo is a big AAA Forza is basically irrelevant by now is the COD of racing games,and Crackdown was basically a niche game which wasn't even that high scored.
The first one was 83% on Meta and the second part 70%,basically crackdown now is a shitty series which never reached high enough,hell at least Resistance got 87% and 9 here in a chapter.
Hell not a single drop of gameplay has been shown of scalebound it was basically a CG and nothing more,and lemming are already speaking of the game as if it was AAA Halo like game,is total bullshit i have more faith in Rime scoring good than scalebound which i have see not a single minute of gameplay.
Oh sony care more for indies than MS and in fact they have softer policies on indies since the PS3,and they don't have a parity clause or force developer to release first on PS,and they will take your game even if it release first on xbox.
They are getting marketing deals because they can now more easily,and since the PS4 is the leading hardware in sales,it look better for 3rd parties like Activision to show their games on PS4 and make deals as the console sell better and is seen as the winner.
This is the same thing MS did all last gen,it is this one that apparently sony is getting more aggressive,look at Destiny even that MS was giving the game free on launch with the xbox one,sony was able to double the xbox one sales in US in that month,3rd parties do see that.
The PS4 has more games coming this year than the xbox one,and without arguing allot more new series like,no man skies,Rime,Drawn to Death,The Tomorrow children and several others.
Hype sells. Sony being able to control the message is even better. Its the perfect storm. Sony can show all these games with the PlayStation logo, fans lap it up, sales increase. Without deals like this Destiny and Watchdogs wouldn't have sold as well as they did.
The only part that I'm worried about is if fans lap up the hype and end up with another flop like Destiny and Watchdogs. You can only burn the fanbase so much before they stop jumping into the oven.
Destiny and Watchdogs werent Sony's fault, the games were even on Xbone... Really their only big game disappointment was The Order, and MS/Nintendo has had their own as well...
Whats pathetic is the Sony apologists who defend sonys actions this time around yet were on the hate bandwagon when MS did it.
I've seen cows say its a good thing Uncharted 4 was delayed because of all the third party games coming this holiday. Seriously? Its a good thing Sony has zilch this holiday?LOL
Yeah because the only thing sony has for 2015 is multiplatforms..lol Funny because Tomb Raider is one and you say shit about it to TC.
Rime.
No Man Sky.
The Tomorrow Children
Drawn to Death.
Every Body gone to Rapture.
Ratchet
Tearaway Unfold
Kingdom Hearts 3
Until Down
Yeah that sony has nothing,add the ones release already like Bloodborn,mlb,the order,hot line miami 2 and several others.
Worse is what you do you are willing to play nothing for the first 9 months of the year in order to get 4 or 5 games on the holidays which is a joke,what does the xbox one has since January 1 to now other than Multiplatforms.?
The best game so far for it this year is Ori and the blind Forest,and indie a genre you lemmings hate this gent for some reason..lol
@tdkmillsy said:
Sony are doing a good job at hiding there poor 1st party with indies and 3rd party deals. Its working well for them.
You mean the games scoring higher than xbox one games.? Like bloodborn Hot Line miami 2 and many more.?
When will the xbox one get a 90 or higher game on Meta.?
It doesn't have one..
@FastRobby said:
@Chutebox said:
You mean how MS did it?
Try to keep up, and pay attention. You're like the kid in class that asks the same question after it has just been answered.
So what is the problem then.? Why even make a butthurt thread about it when a year ago you lemmings were parading how MS was getting COD advertising like always.
@chikenfriedrice said:
Well what happened is, MS threw away their playbook from last gen and Sony walked by the bin like "what's this? Make a console that's easy to develop for, cheaper & has more power, market third party games as our own exclusives and sell tons of consoles. What a simple but yet genius plan. Thank you MS".
MS hasn't stop using those tricks,the had deals for Fifa,titanfall,madden,COD both ghost and advanced warfare,and many others,apparently is getting easier for sony to pin those games,because they have the user base to do it.
Whats pathetic is the Sony apologists who defend sonys actions this time around yet were on the hate bandwagon when MS did it.
I've seen cows say its a good thing Uncharted 4 was delayed because of all the third party games coming this holiday. Seriously? Its a good thing Sony has zilch this holiday?LOL
Yeah because the only thing sony has for 2015 is multiplatforms..lol Funny because Tomb Raider is one and you say shit about it to TC.
Rime.
No Man Sky.
The Tomorrow Children
Drawn to Death.
Every Body gone to Rapture.
Ratchet
Tearaway Unfold
Kingdom Hearts 3
Until Down
Yeah that sony has nothing,add the ones release already like Bloodborn,mlb,the order,hot line miami 2 and several others.
Worse is what you do you are willing to play nothing for the first 9 months of the year in order to get 4 or 5 games on the holidays which is a joke,what does the xbox one has since January 1 to now other than Multiplatforms.?
The best game so far for it this year is Ori and the blind Forest,and indie a genre you lemmings hate this gent for some reason..lol
You mean the games scoring higher than xbox one games.? Like bloodborn Hot Line miami 2 and many more.?
When will the xbox one get a 90 or higher game on Meta.?
It's not any of that really, it's just the reality of what works.
We now live in an era where third party exclusives are a rarity because budgets have sky rocketed. As a result dlc type stuff exclusivity is more the norm, bundling is more the norm, and all that jazz to separate yourself from the competition. The general public still reacts to that, because contrary to people on this forum those multiplats matter, in fact they matter a hell of a lot more than exclusives. Why?
A: They make the lions share of the best games in a given year, and made up the lionsshare of the best games of the previous generation B: There simply are more third party games- independent or retail than first party stuff. They cover more genres, as a result they offer the consumer more options C: A lot of them are blockbuster, established franchises
So it's less compensation, and more a result of making wiser use of where they want to invest. They tried to bank on their exclusives route during the PS3 era, didn't exactly work.
Sony's first party roster is plenty deep, and when they want to flex their muscle they will have more games made for their platforms. Naughty Dog is making Uncharted 4, David Jaffe is making that multiplayer game, Santa Monica is working on God of War, Gran Turismo 7? or whatever is a given, Insomniac or someone is probably working on Ratchet: another one, Sucker Punch exists, Guerilla exists, bottom line they have the studios and ips to flex their muscle when necessary.
The larger issue is that Sony first party mostly sucks, but that's besides the point. Reality is that the Playstation is hardly a step behind, I don't care for their reasons on why they do things, bottom line I know the result of what they are doing.
Result is they have a better indie lineup than their 2 direct competitors, and that scene is coming out with the most creative and interesting games year after year. (for my needs it's outclassed by the PC) It gets third party support (so **** off WiiU) and it has the best versions of third party games on consoles. (for my needs: the PC) It has about as many exclusives as the other 2, and clearly they hold some merit given the attention they get sales wise in: Killzone Shadowful, Infamous Second Son, Bloodborne, Little Big Planet 3, etc (for my needs only Bloodborne is worth playing, the first 2 suck, and I have next to no interest in LBP3). There are cross gen stuff like Guilty Gear Xrd or other timed exclusive stuff for the playstation platforms that are quite good like Velocity 2x that should warrant some merit
All that amounts to a console that is easily the best console to have if you don't want to PC game, and that's a pretty big audience, and Sony is appealing to them. It is what it is.
Personally they could have much better exclusives or at least more quality PS3/PS4 games, because so far this is where my PS4 Library is at in terms of shit I like -Bloodborne -Velocity 2x -Resogun -Guilty Gear Xrd Sign
Everything else they've done has been mediocre or outright bad games in the exclusives department.
Sony jumps at third party deals to steal the thunder from XBone. Damages XBoxes reputation as the Moneyhat King. The payoff is that they don't have to end Gen7 weak with first party offerings and can leverage first party studios to go all-in on Gen8 when they are good and ready to.
Sony takes marketshare. This closes the door for the moneyhat deals to be used against them significantly like was done in Gen7 when XBox 360 left the door wide open. Big third party titles are left out of reach of XBone. Titanfall 2 is coming to PS4 and Tomb Raider is in all likelihood a timed exclusive.
Step 3 and the death blow. Force MS to invest in first party. Rinse/repeat PS1 versus N64 generation. We're right back to the original Sony playbook complete with an easy to dev console and third party filtering over while first party studios go unique/crazy.
Still waiting for that, because a lot of it so far has been "Another fucking x"
As in another fucking Souls game (excellent as it is)
another fucking Infamous game
another fucking Killzone game
With their new ips being derivative as hell entries in their respective genres (Order and Driveclub). Jaffe's game is the only unique looking thing they've shown, much less released.
Still waiting for that, because a lot of it so far has been "Another fucking x"
As in another fucking Souls game (excellent as it is)
another fucking Infamous game
another fucking Killzone game
With their new ips being derivative as hell entries in their respective genres (Order and Driveclub). Jaffe's game is the only unique looking thing they've shown, much less released.
Still waiting for that, because a lot of it so far has been "Another fucking x"
As in another fucking Souls game (excellent as it is)
another fucking Infamous game
another fucking Killzone game
With their new ips being derivative as hell entries in their respective genres (Order and Driveclub). Jaffe's game is the only unique looking thing they've shown, much less released.
Well, apparently, Guerrilla is working on an RPG. That's definitely a departure for them.
Souls is third party, although I think Sony was the publisher or something like that.
I don't think they had acquired Sucker Punch last gen, is that correct?
I mean, you're right and I'm not going to say you aren't. A lot of Sony's moves up til now have completely revolved around getting the US market back in the fold. Now, they don't have to be so single-market centric. We'll see what happens at E3, though. My understanding is that they are under a lot of pressure to get the Japanese market going for consoles again. Europe is incredibly healthy, though.
What was actually unique about Driveclub as a racing game? Enlighten me. I don't mean that in a condescending manner, I'm genuinely curious what was so distinct about Driveclub as a racing game, given how many racing games have come before it.
What was actually unique about Driveclub as a racing game? Enlighten me. I don't mean that in a condescending manner, I'm genuinely curious what was so distinct about Driveclub as a racing game, given how many racing games have come before it.
I wouldn't call it unique, but it's not exactly a copy either. That, and I really haven't played other racers in a very long time other than FH2 demo.
I just take derivative as an unapologetic clone of another game. I think the club thing or challenging other clubs is kind of newish? I don't know haha
What was actually unique about Driveclub as a racing game? Enlighten me. I don't mean that in a condescending manner, I'm genuinely curious what was so distinct about Driveclub as a racing game, given how many racing games have come before it.
I wouldn't call it unique, but it's not exactly a copy either. That, and I really haven't played other racers in a very long time other than FH2 demo.
I just take derivative as an unapologetic clone of another game. I think the club thing or challenging other clubs is kind of newish? I don't know haha
That tertiary element might be the only new thing though, otherwise it's as run of the mill a racer game as you can get at this point. The "bridging sim with arcade racing" thing is shit that's been a product of racing games for awhile now between Grid, Forza main entries (in terms of keeping it all accessible), to Forza Horizon, and what have you. To be fair do not get that confused with Forza Horizon 2 being some wholly unique thing either, Horizon 1 was relatively speaking, Horizon 2 is just "another fucking Forza Horizon" from start to finish. So whatevs we can replace derivative with generic.
None of that is inherently bad (though creatively weak), but it still conflicts with the notion that Sony's 1st party is gonna go crazy/be unique, when they've been anything but unique.
Still waiting for that, because a lot of it so far has been "Another fucking x"
As in another fucking Souls game (excellent as it is)
another fucking Infamous game
another fucking Killzone game
With their new ips being derivative as hell entries in their respective genres (Order and Driveclub). Jaffe's game is the only unique looking thing they've shown, much less released.
Well, apparently, Guerrilla is working on an RPG. That's definitely a departure for them.
Souls is third party, although I think Sony was the publisher or something like that.
I don't think they had acquired Sucker Punch last gen, is that correct?
I mean, you're right and I'm not going to say you aren't. A lot of Sony's moves up til now have completely revolved around getting the US market back in the fold. Now, they don't have to be so single-market centric. We'll see what happens at E3, though. My understanding is that they are under a lot of pressure to get the Japanese market going for consoles again. Europe is incredibly healthy, though.
Fair enough, it was the only real criticism I had with your post, the rest of it sounds perfectly. Take away the one thing that was mentally a microsoft advantage to a lot of the general public, establish that with Playstation, create an eco system, and take all the pressure off your first party, while still being in a position to have a roster of first party studios. Thus putting the Xbox's run primarily on its core brand enjoying audience and their own first party work, which is limited.
Fair enough, it was the only real criticism I had with your post, the rest of it sounds perfectly. Take away the one thing that was mentally a microsoft advantage to a lot of the general public, establish that with Playstation, create an eco system, and take all the pressure off your first party, while still being in a position to have a roster of first party studios. Thus putting the Xbox's run primarily on its core brand enjoying audience and their own first party work, which is limited.
It's all on E3. Sony's intentions with the PS4 have been very tunnel-visioned. I think with good reason. Now, will they continue trying to beat MS at their own game or start acting like Sony again, that's the big question to be answered.
Lol at all these idiots. "MICROSOFT DID IT LAST GEN!" *Wah, cry, bitch* read the whole post next time. And who cares if Microsoft did it last gen? Does that give Sony a free pass? There first party output has been abysmal. The thing has no games, outside a few indies, I want to play. This is like cows who try to blame Microsoft for Sony charging online play this gen. News flash people, Sony are responsible for their own actions!
All's fair in love and war (and gaming) lol You can't blame them for trying to market their product by tricking people because they haven't supported their new console at all. Sony doesn't have nearly as many 1st party devs as people think. based on last gen
They have ND which is good for 4 games per gen
SSM which is good for 2 games per gen
Sucker punch which is good for 2 games per gen
GG which is good for 3 games per gen
evolution (3 racing games per gen)
MM 1 game per gen
Poly - 2 games per gen (racing)
sony bend - (did mobile only) will maybe do 1-2 games on PS4
cambridge (was mobile only) maybe 1-2 games on PS4
SCE Japan (not really a studio, they just seem to help out other studios) only game they released by themselves in the last 5 years is knack
SCE london - (singing and dance games and morphues) maybe 1-2 games
SCE san deigo - yearly MLB the show
So we get about 18 games (including KZ, Infamous, UC, and God of war) 5 Racing games (DC and GT) a couple of dance/singing games and a year MLB series.
So at best 33 games over 8 years or about 4 games per year from their 1st party with 1 being the yearly MLB
year 1 we had infamous, Knack, KZ, LBP, and DC
year 2 we have nothing?
year 3 we have UC4 confirmed
In reality sony's 1st party isn't anything huge or great and no better then MS. the only one with a consistent 1st party is nintendo in reality.
@FastRobby: And you're like the loser who does nothing but browse forums. I got a job and family bud, don't always have time to read all the quality replies. Go ask for your lunch money now
This is the only forum I'm on, which says enough about the free time I have. But keep replying without thinking first, always fun to read these kind of comments, they are making my day. I do feel sorry for your family though
@FastRobby: And you're like the loser who does nothing but browse forums. I got a job and family bud, don't always have time to read all the quality replies. Go ask for your lunch money now
This is the only forum I'm on, which says enough about the free time I have. But keep replying without thinking first, always fun to read these kind of comments, they are making my day. I do feel sorry for your family though
You obviously have more than enough time on your hands to get upset and cry over people bagging on your lover, which is a piece of plastic. Says all I need to know about your life.
My family is doing great and have an enriching life, thanks for your concern.
Well what happened is, MS threw away their playbook from last gen and Sony walked by the bin like "what's this? Make a console that's easy to develop for, cheaper & has more power, market third party games as our own exclusives and sell tons of consoles. What a simple but yet genius plan. Thank you MS".
Art of War. Use your enemies tactics against them. Now MS is forced to actually invest in first party this gen and Sony has a larger first party development resource than even Nintendo, so Sony will beat them with experience.
In all honesty, MS should have seen this coming a mile away but they were too busy trying to create "the future of entertainment" that they forgot it was the gamer who was going to actually be the buyer.
Whats pathetic is the Sony apologists who defend sonys actions this time around yet were on the hate bandwagon when MS did it.
I've seen cows say its a good thing Uncharted 4 was delayed because of all the third party games coming this holiday. Seriously? Its a good thing Sony has zilch this holiday?LOL
Yeah because the only thing sony has for 2015 is multiplatforms..lol Funny because Tomb Raider is one and you say shit about it to TC.
Rime.
No Man Sky.
The Tomorrow Children
Drawn to Death.
Every Body gone to Rapture.
Ratchet
Tearaway Unfold
Kingdom Hearts 3
Until Down
Indie, indie, indie, indie, indie, not exclusive, garbage, not exclusive and indie garbage.
Indie, indie, indie, indie, indie, not exclusive, garbage, not exclusive and indie garbage.
Fantastic list as usual Tomato.
Really so how many of those have you played.? Ahaaa.........
So what was Halo MCC score.?
85%.? How about Forza 5 79%.? How about Horizon 2.? 86% Killer Instinct 70 something.? Sun set over drive.? 81%?
Thats odd because Ori on xbox one scored 88% a freaking indie beating all those retail games..hahahaha
But i can do that to with Forza,Halo,Fable and tomb rider to.
COD racing,recycle crap from Bungie wannabe,;lol Fable do i need to even say anything.? And Chik Rider which will also be on xbox 360 so multiplatform that will land on PC and PS4 a few months latter in superior form..lol
@FoxbatAlpha said:
Sony is doing this because they know they don't have shit coming the rest of the year.
The practically said Destiny was there own exclusive, the way they marketed it.
Let's see what new low they will sink to this holiday.
Rime.
No Man Sky.
The Tomorrow Children
Drawn to Death.
Every Body gone to Rapture.
Ratchet
Tearaway Unfold
Kingdom Hearts 3
Until Down
@darkangel115 said:
year 2 we have nothing?
year 3 we have UC4 confirmed
In reality sony's 1st party isn't anything huge or great and no better then MS. the only one with a consistent 1st party is nintendo in reality.
Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....
@primorandomguy said:
Lol at all these idiots. "MICROSOFT DID IT LAST GEN!" *Wah, cry, bitch* read the whole post next time. And who cares if Microsoft did it last gen? Does that give Sony a free pass? There first party output has been abysmal. The thing has no games, outside a few indies, I want to play. This is like cows who try to blame Microsoft for Sony charging online play this gen. News flash people, Sony are responsible for their own actions!
MS still does it butthurt fanboy..
And first party or not the PS4 has higher rated games than the holidayboxone,which has nothing to play this year but a damn Indie for the first 9 months of the year,no matter how you slice it MS has less games and is even more fu** than sony is in that regard and yes if MS would have not freaking charge for online play now we would be playing free online like still is in Wii U and PC like it should be.
I think they are. They are following the same strategy of marketing their console to a T that Microsoft did with Xbox 360 last generation.
Happily, it seems like the PS4 will still have a lot of quality exclusive content, but... I cannot say I am not disappointed in Sony as a gamer.
THANK YOU FOR THIS CONTRIBUTION! FINALLY A SOUND ARGUMENT! I'm not denying Microsoft wasn't doing it last gen - that was exactly the case!
Look, personally, I don't mind a console for having this approach (the PS2 had this same approach, after all), as long as it gets me loads of great games. The Xbox 360 did. The PS4 is.
With all of that said, I can still voice my disappointment- Microsoft dropped the ball with their first party last generation (and hence they fell back on third party games and indies). Sony is doing the same with its first party this generation, and hence it is falling back on third party games and indies this time around.
So with that said, can we just stop acting like Sony is God and PS shits first party exclusive games? Because we now know that's not true, at least with this generation. It appears that MS and Sony may have traded places this time around. We'll all have a better idea this coming E3 though.
In reality sony's 1st party isn't anything huge or great and no better then MS. the only one with a consistent 1st party is nintendo in reality.
Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....
That's why I put a question mark. Did i miss anything? I'm doing my years form Nov-Nov (since that's when it released) so far for year 2 we had bloodborne and The order but both are 3rd party. we have MLB 15 i just remembered so that's 1, UC4 got pushed into year 3. what else is announced that I missed?
Maybe, but whatever they are doing, it's working cause it's still outselling the competition. Seriously, companies have been doing this for years now. It's what MS did all last gen.
That's why I put a question mark. Did i miss anything? I'm doing my years form Nov-Nov (since that's when it released) so far for year 2 we had bloodborne and The order but both are 3rd party. we have MLB 15 i just remembered so that's 1, UC4 got pushed into year 3. what else is announced that I missed?
The order is not a 3rd party game is owned by sony WTF..hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
MLB as well is owned by sony,so is Ratchet that is coming,Drawn to death,The Tomorrow children,and several others just because a non sony studio does them doesn't mean they are not sony,Ratchet and Resistance were made by Insomniac yet you won't see them on xbox because irrelevant of sony not owning Insomniac they do own the IP for the games.
@Salt_The_Fries: what has microsoft been doing since sunset overdrive and MCC? Sony has released Driveclub, Littlebigplanet 3, The Order 1886 and Bloodborne since then. Microsoft has released no AAA titles, the only thing that hasn't come to PS that's came to Xbox is Ori and the Blind Forest.
Uncharted, Everybody's Gone To The Rapture, Until Dawn, Guerrilla Games new IP, Santa Monica new IP/God of War 4, there's just as many announcements and rumors on both Xbox and PS sides.
That's why I put a question mark. Did i miss anything? I'm doing my years form Nov-Nov (since that's when it released) so far for year 2 we had bloodborne and The order but both are 3rd party. we have MLB 15 i just remembered so that's 1, UC4 got pushed into year 3. what else is announced that I missed?
The order is not a 3rd party game is owned by sony WTF..hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
MLB as well is owned by sony,so is Ratchet that is coming,Drawn to death,The Tomorrow children,and several others just because a non sony studio does them doesn't mean they are not sony,Ratchet and Resistance were made by Insomniac yet you won't see them on xbox because irrelevant of sony not owning Insomniac they do own the IP for the games.
They own the IP, they don't own RAD, they are a 3rd party party developer. The discussion was about 1st party studios, RAD isn't a 1st party studio. MLB i mentioned above so that's 1 but you still haven't named yachting else. The question was what are the 1st party studios doing, not what exclusive or IPs are owned.
@Salt_The_Fries: what has microsoft been doing since sunset overdrive and MCC? Sony has released Driveclub, Littlebigplanet 3, The Order 1886 and Bloodborne since then. Microsoft has released no AAA titles, the only thing that hasn't come to PS that's came to Xbox is Ori and the Blind Forest.
Uncharted, Everybody's Gone To The Rapture, Until Dawn, Guerrilla Games new IP, Santa Monica new IP/God of War 4, there's just as many announcements and rumors on both Xbox and PS sides.
DC came out before halo MCC. With that said, nothing big coming from MS until the end of the year, but now with the order and bloodborne out, sony has nothing confirmed for the rest of 2015. Which sucks because I've been dying for something to play on PS4 and the order was trash and bloodborne isn't my type of game, it sucked to me. in other words, MS sucks until september and Sony sucks unit march 2016
They own the IP, they don't own RAD, they are a 3rd party party developer. The discussion was about 1st party studios, RAD isn't a 1st party studio. MLB i mentioned above so that's 1 but you still haven't named yachting else. The question was what are the 1st party studios doing, not what exclusive or IPs are owned.
The thesis is: IS SONY TRYING TO ARTIFICIALLY COMPENSATE LACK OF THEIR OWN GAMES WITH MARKETING DEALS AND EXCLUSIVE DLCS AS TO SEEM A POWERHOUSE ON THE MARKET?
No the discussion is about games.
So yeah it was you who bring that and you are wrong,nice spin.
you have ms to thank for that. sony's just been copying other successful parts from other companies like paid mp, streaming games, streaming tv blah blah....
but i think they are smart enough to know the value of first party ips....they just missed the mark with the ones that have already been released.
They own the IP, they don't own RAD, they are a 3rd party party developer. The discussion was about 1st party studios, RAD isn't a 1st party studio. MLB i mentioned above so that's 1 but you still haven't named yachting else. The question was what are the 1st party studios doing, not what exclusive or IPs are owned.
The thesis is: IS SONY TRYING TO ARTIFICIALLY COMPENSATE LACK OF THEIR OWN GAMES WITH MARKETING DEALS AND EXCLUSIVE DLCS AS TO SEEM A POWERHOUSE ON THE MARKET?
No the discussion is about games.
So yeah it was you who bring that and you are wrong,nice spin.
well if you read my post, i was referring to the lack of 1st party games form sony. And i paid 450 bucks to play these games since I have an XB1 and a PC as well. Not all of us here are rabid fanboys since we can only afford 1 console and want to make ourselves feel like we made the right choice. Nobody wants good sony exclusives more then myself, because without them, my PS4 is a paperweight.
All's fair in love and war (and gaming) lol You can't blame them for trying to market their product by tricking people because they haven't supported their new console at all. Sony doesn't have nearly as many 1st party devs as people think. based on last gen
They have ND which is good for 4 games per gen
SSM which is good for 2 games per gen
Sucker punch which is good for 2 games per gen
GG which is good for 3 games per gen
evolution (3 racing games per gen)
MM 1 game per gen
Poly - 2 games per gen (racing)
sony bend - (did mobile only) will maybe do 1-2 games on PS4
cambridge (was mobile only) maybe 1-2 games on PS4
SCE Japan (not really a studio, they just seem to help out other studios) only game they released by themselves in the last 5 years is knack
SCE london - (singing and dance games and morphues) maybe 1-2 games
SCE san deigo - yearly MLB the show
So we get about 18 games (including KZ, Infamous, UC, and God of war) 5 Racing games (DC and GT) a couple of dance/singing games and a year MLB series.
So at best 33 games over 8 years or about 4 games per year from their 1st party with 1 being the yearly MLB
year 1 we had infamous, Knack, KZ, LBP, and DC
year 2 we have nothing?
year 3 we have UC4 confirmed
In reality sony's 1st party isn't anything huge or great and no better then MS. the only one with a consistent 1st party is nintendo in reality.
Other than Halo 4 by the Bungie tribute band known as 343i, was there even a 360 first party exclusive between 2011 and the XBone's launch? Ya'll keep talking this hot shit but the truth is that MS has a ton of catching up to do in regard to first party. Come on, your front-loaded console launch doesn't change the fact that the year before PS4 launched, Sony was able to get a GoTG contender out as well as a GoTY contender all before a Gran Turismo.
In reality? Don't lecture SW about reality. You can't handle reality.
All's fair in love and war (and gaming) lol You can't blame them for trying to market their product by tricking people because they haven't supported their new console at all. Sony doesn't have nearly as many 1st party devs as people think. based on last gen
They have ND which is good for 4 games per gen
SSM which is good for 2 games per gen
Sucker punch which is good for 2 games per gen
GG which is good for 3 games per gen
evolution (3 racing games per gen)
MM 1 game per gen
Poly - 2 games per gen (racing)
sony bend - (did mobile only) will maybe do 1-2 games on PS4
cambridge (was mobile only) maybe 1-2 games on PS4
SCE Japan (not really a studio, they just seem to help out other studios) only game they released by themselves in the last 5 years is knack
SCE london - (singing and dance games and morphues) maybe 1-2 games
SCE san deigo - yearly MLB the show
So we get about 18 games (including KZ, Infamous, UC, and God of war) 5 Racing games (DC and GT) a couple of dance/singing games and a year MLB series.
So at best 33 games over 8 years or about 4 games per year from their 1st party with 1 being the yearly MLB
year 1 we had infamous, Knack, KZ, LBP, and DC
year 2 we have nothing?
year 3 we have UC4 confirmed
In reality sony's 1st party isn't anything huge or great and no better then MS. the only one with a consistent 1st party is nintendo in reality.
Other than Halo 4 by the Bungie tribute band known as 343i, was there even a 360 first party exclusive between 2011 and the XBone's launch? Ya'll keep talking this hot shit but the truth is that MS has a ton of catching up to do in regard to first party. Come on, your front-loaded console launch doesn't change the fact that the year before PS4 launched, Sony was able to get a GoTG contender out as well as a GoTY contender all before a Gran Turismo.
In reality? Don't lecture SW about reality. You can't handle reality.
The reality is, as I said both are the same. The difference is MS supports new consoles and abandons the old ones first while sony sucks on new consoles for the 1st few years then does better later on then MS. In the end, it comes out pretty close to equal give or take a game or 2. That was my point. MS's way though rewards people for being early adopters, while sony's way rewards people for not upgrading. They've done this long enough I should know better. next gen I'm not buying a sony system on launch, I'll get it 3 years later when they start supporting it. I was hoping this would be a huge year for sony, but it's not. If you own both systems, what would you be playing on PS4 specifically this year? I looked at the list and for me, not a dam thing sadly. I've been patient, it's gotten to the point where it just sucks.
All's fair in love and war (and gaming) lol You can't blame them for trying to market their product by tricking people because they haven't supported their new console at all. Sony doesn't have nearly as many 1st party devs as people think. based on last gen
They have ND which is good for 4 games per gen
SSM which is good for 2 games per gen
Sucker punch which is good for 2 games per gen
GG which is good for 3 games per gen
evolution (3 racing games per gen)
MM 1 game per gen
Poly - 2 games per gen (racing)
sony bend - (did mobile only) will maybe do 1-2 games on PS4
cambridge (was mobile only) maybe 1-2 games on PS4
SCE Japan (not really a studio, they just seem to help out other studios) only game they released by themselves in the last 5 years is knack
SCE london - (singing and dance games and morphues) maybe 1-2 games
SCE san deigo - yearly MLB the show
So we get about 18 games (including KZ, Infamous, UC, and God of war) 5 Racing games (DC and GT) a couple of dance/singing games and a year MLB series.
So at best 33 games over 8 years or about 4 games per year from their 1st party with 1 being the yearly MLB
year 1 we had infamous, Knack, KZ, LBP, and DC
year 2 we have nothing?
year 3 we have UC4 confirmed
In reality sony's 1st party isn't anything huge or great and no better then MS. the only one with a consistent 1st party is nintendo in reality.
Other than Halo 4 by the Bungie tribute band known as 343i, was there even a 360 first party exclusive between 2011 and the XBone's launch? Ya'll keep talking this hot shit but the truth is that MS has a ton of catching up to do in regard to first party. Come on, your front-loaded console launch doesn't change the fact that the year before PS4 launched, Sony was able to get a GoTG contender out as well as a GoTY contender all before a Gran Turismo.
In reality? Don't lecture SW about reality. You can't handle reality.
Here is reality: the highest rated full retail current gen games on both PS4 and xbox one since launch.
PS4
93 metascore
Xbox one
81 metascore
THIS is reality, xbox one doesn't have a single industry certified AAA exclusive title since this gen started. All the hype over Titanfall and Halo MCC from xbox fans resulted in nothing but damage control and it is Sony in the end who delivered where it counts first.
It's weird how lemmings worry so much about Sony games when MS has done nothing to provide anything close to what Sony already has.
I really don't think lems should be too overconfident about the holiday lineup. Halo 5 and Forza 6 are the only exclusives all year long, with the possibility of a smaller title like Battletoads also coming. Rise of Tomb Raider is very similar to a marketing deal, timed Xbox (360 and 1) exclusive for 6 months.
Sony has way more games/exclusives spread throughout the entire year, and even in the second half of the year. The problem Sony had was that they didn't have a big title to go up against Microsoft's flagship series, Halo. Marketing deals with MGSV, SW:BF, and apparently COD:BO3 will definitely help with that. Here's what the PS4's exclusive lineup for the rest of the year is looking like:
Summer:
Until Dawn
Tearaway Unfolded
Fall/Holidays/TBA2015:
Alienation
Drawn to Death
Killstrain
The Tomorrow Children
Everybody's Gone to Rapture
Shadow of the Beast
No Man's Sky (Timed)
Ratchet and Clank reboot
Another rumored game for the holidays (Sony Bend?)
Indies should not be downplayed when arguably the best X1 game at the moment is an indie game, Ori.
Ohhhhhhh, sure. After all, isnt that the entire point of ANY deal where you're paying a third party for content? To beef up your platform's perceived value? But as Lostrib said right off the bat, this isn't a revelation, and certainly not one you needed to expose. Anyone with a lick of common sense figured out the purpose of securing exclusive deals on their own.
Your continued problem is you constantly see a double standard, a conspiracy when against MS and for Sony. It clouds your thinking. People rag on MS's relatively small first party efforts because to this point they have been just that compared to Nintendo and Sony. And Sony's efforts to secure third party content doesn't change the fact they consistently put out an array quality 1st party titles gen after gen.
I'd argue the money isn't well spent on ads and DLC. In fact I've argued just that, repeatedly for both companies. But that's a different discussion.
They seem to be relying heavily on Indies, and because a bunch of them are exclusively on PS4 atm, Sony & the fanboys can say "look at the number of exclusives PS4 has compared to Xbone"... but 80% of them are very average.
They seem to be relying heavily on Indies, and because a bunch of them are exclusively on PS4 atm, Sony & the fanboys can say "look at the number of exclusives PS4 has compared to Xbone"... but 80% of them are very average.
yes but the ps4 is actually running multiplats better so its microsoft job to put out better exclusives, since people aren't using xb1 for multiplats cuz of the low resolutions an whatever else crap hurts the xb1
its microsoft JOB to offer exclusives this gen as multiconsole or pc owner cuz xb1 can't run those games as well
All's fair in love and war (and gaming) lol You can't blame them for trying to market their product by tricking people because they haven't supported their new console at all. Sony doesn't have nearly as many 1st party devs as people think. based on last gen
They have ND which is good for 4 games per gen
SSM which is good for 2 games per gen
Sucker punch which is good for 2 games per gen
GG which is good for 3 games per gen
evolution (3 racing games per gen)
MM 1 game per gen
Poly - 2 games per gen (racing)
sony bend - (did mobile only) will maybe do 1-2 games on PS4
cambridge (was mobile only) maybe 1-2 games on PS4
SCE Japan (not really a studio, they just seem to help out other studios) only game they released by themselves in the last 5 years is knack
SCE london - (singing and dance games and morphues) maybe 1-2 games
SCE san deigo - yearly MLB the show
So we get about 18 games (including KZ, Infamous, UC, and God of war) 5 Racing games (DC and GT) a couple of dance/singing games and a year MLB series.
So at best 33 games over 8 years or about 4 games per year from their 1st party with 1 being the yearly MLB
year 1 we had infamous, Knack, KZ, LBP, and DC
year 2 we have nothing?
year 3 we have UC4 confirmed
In reality sony's 1st party isn't anything huge or great and no better then MS. the only one with a consistent 1st party is nintendo in reality.
Other than Halo 4 by the Bungie tribute band known as 343i, was there even a 360 first party exclusive between 2011 and the XBone's launch? Ya'll keep talking this hot shit but the truth is that MS has a ton of catching up to do in regard to first party. Come on, your front-loaded console launch doesn't change the fact that the year before PS4 launched, Sony was able to get a GoTG contender out as well as a GoTY contender all before a Gran Turismo.
In reality? Don't lecture SW about reality. You can't handle reality.
Here is reality: the highest rated full retail current gen games on both PS4 and xbox one since launch.
PS4
93 metascore
Xbox one
81 metascore
THIS is reality, xbox one doesn't have a single industry certified AAA exclusive title since this gen started. All the hype over Titanfall and Halo MCC from xbox fans resulted in nothing but damage control and it is Sony in the end who delivered where it counts first.
It's weird how lemmings worry so much about Sony games when MS has done nothing to provide anything close to what Sony already has.
except I'm not a lemming, and I don't like bloodborne. played about an hour and it sucked to me, so i sent it back. So what am i left with to play? I can care less about MC scores or any scores TBH. I want some good games to play. putting all your eggs in basket sucks if someone doesn't like that basket. If i liked bloodborne, honestly i wouldn't complain I haven't really complained for the year and a half of having the system. But now i'm looking at 2015 and I see nothing announced for the rest of the year and I'm like come on sony. What are most people playing on PS4? i see alot of destiny still and some dragon age and GTA all MPs, which is fine if you own one system, but when you own them all, you don't think like that, I've been dying for sony to give me a reason to sue it and they let me down over and over again. I've loaded money into my wallet (cause i won't keep my CC on file) to buy games and i have nothing to spend it on. I already gave sony my money via Gift cards waiting for games to drop and it's sitting there and has been for months.
They seem to be relying heavily on Indies, and because a bunch of them are exclusively on PS4 atm, Sony & the fanboys can say "look at the number of exclusives PS4 has compared to Xbone"... but 80% of them are very average.
yes but the ps4 is actually running multiplats better so its microsoft job to put out better exclusives, since people aren't using xb1 for multiplats cuz of the low resolutions an whatever else crap hurts the xb1
its microsoft JOB to offer exclusives this gen as multiconsole or pc owner cuz xb1 can't run those games as well
Some observations from reading this thread: MS has done the same thing TC. But in its defense, the cows pissed and moaned about it last gen also. What you put out there comes back to you
Why the **** does the X1 need a game to have 90+ meta score? The user knows who I am referring to. Why is the aggregate score of others opinions important? When will you stop sucking *** cock?
All's fair in love and war (and gaming) lol You can't blame them for trying to market their product by tricking people because they haven't supported their new console at all. Sony doesn't have nearly as many 1st party devs as people think. based on last gen
They have ND which is good for 4 games per gen
SSM which is good for 2 games per gen
Sucker punch which is good for 2 games per gen
GG which is good for 3 games per gen
evolution (3 racing games per gen)
MM 1 game per gen
Poly - 2 games per gen (racing)
sony bend - (did mobile only) will maybe do 1-2 games on PS4
cambridge (was mobile only) maybe 1-2 games on PS4
SCE Japan (not really a studio, they just seem to help out other studios) only game they released by themselves in the last 5 years is knack
SCE london - (singing and dance games and morphues) maybe 1-2 games
SCE san deigo - yearly MLB the show
So we get about 18 games (including KZ, Infamous, UC, and God of war) 5 Racing games (DC and GT) a couple of dance/singing games and a year MLB series.
So at best 33 games over 8 years or about 4 games per year from their 1st party with 1 being the yearly MLB
year 1 we had infamous, Knack, KZ, LBP, and DC
year 2 we have nothing?
year 3 we have UC4 confirmed
In reality sony's 1st party isn't anything huge or great and no better then MS. the only one with a consistent 1st party is nintendo in reality.
Other than Halo 4 by the Bungie tribute band known as 343i, was there even a 360 first party exclusive between 2011 and the XBone's launch? Ya'll keep talking this hot shit but the truth is that MS has a ton of catching up to do in regard to first party. Come on, your front-loaded console launch doesn't change the fact that the year before PS4 launched, Sony was able to get a GoTG contender out as well as a GoTY contender all before a Gran Turismo.
In reality? Don't lecture SW about reality. You can't handle reality.
Here is reality: the highest rated full retail current gen games on both PS4 and xbox one since launch.
PS4
93 metascore
Xbox one
81 metascore
THIS is reality, xbox one doesn't have a single industry certified AAA exclusive title since this gen started. All the hype over Titanfall and Halo MCC from xbox fans resulted in nothing but damage control and it is Sony in the end who delivered where it counts first.
It's weird how lemmings worry so much about Sony games when MS has done nothing to provide anything close to what Sony already has.
except I'm not a lemming, and I don't like bloodborne. played about an hour and it sucked to me, so i sent it back. So what am i left with to play? I can care less about MC scores or any scores TBH. I want some good games to play. putting all your eggs in basket sucks if someone doesn't like that basket. If i liked bloodborne, honestly i wouldn't complain I haven't really complained for the year and a half of having the system. But now i'm looking at 2015 and I see nothing announced for the rest of the year and I'm like come on sony. What are most people playing on PS4? i see alot of destiny still and some dragon age and GTA all MPs, which is fine if you own one system, but when you own them all, you don't think like that, I've been dying for sony to give me a reason to sue it and they let me down over and over again. I've loaded money into my wallet (cause i won't keep my CC on file) to buy games and i have nothing to spend it on. I already gave sony my money via Gift cards waiting for games to drop and it's sitting there and has been for months.
and before you go on your fanboy tirade, the xbox doesn't have shit till like sept/oct this year too. I haven't complained because my XB1 has done a good job of keeping me busy, but when you own 3 platforms and all of them have shit coming out for 6 months it sucks, and yes i put blame on sony because they haven't had shit to play yet. The idea of having both is that when one is down, the other is up. SO i'm always entertained, MS has held up their end for me, sony hasn't and now with MS not having anything, I'm looking to sony to pick up the slack and they have nothing. the next 6 months is going to suck.
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