Is Splinter Cell Conviction Yet Another Case Of A Franchise Being Dumbed Down?

that seems to be the new thing this generation, dumbing down franchises for mass appeal. I havent played the game yet myself, but a friend of mine who's a long time fan of the franchise said he didnt like this one because 'it didn't feel like a splinter cell game'

thoughts?

Haven't played it, but from what I've heard it is dumbed down (although that is not to say it's a bad game).

I like the game, I don't see it as dumbed down either, it's just different.

Everybody likes to point at the things that were taken out but nobody likes to pay attention to the things they have added.

Yes, splinter cell is awful. it was terrible before and now it's awful

Some parts are harder than any other splinter cell game I've played.

Do we really need a thread like this EVERY day? Yeah SC:C is different from the rest ofthe SCs but atleast they took a risk to change it...and to me it paid off, because the action and coop is awesome.

I wouldn't call it dumbed down.
But extremely stripped of a lot of it's

original elements

Yes, splinter cell is awful. it was terrible before and now it's awful

WINDWAKER1

Yes, splinter cell is awful. it was terrible before and now it's awful

WINDWAKER1

Yep, Chaos Theory's 94 on metacritic indicates that. If you don't like it, say that. But don't tell me it's a bad franchise.

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Yes, splinter cell is awful. it was terrible before and now it's awful

funsohng

lol you can say that :P

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Yes, splinter cell is awful. it was terrible before and now it's awful

SgtKevali

Yep, Chaos Theory's 94 on metacritic indicates that. If you don't like it, say that. But don't tell me it's a bad franchise.

That's what I was thinking. If you don't like it fine, but it's not a terrible franchise, it's very well done.

I dont see it as being dumbed down, but just as taking a new direction, similar to the Resident Evil franchise. Im a hardcore RE fan, and while I loved RE4 and thought it was amazing, i was still disappointed. Im guessing fans of the previous Splinter Cell games are felling the same way.

But Conviction is still averaging 87% at Gamerankings, so still a great game.

I dont see it as being dumbed down, but just as taking a new direction, similar to the Resident Evil franchise. Im a hardcore RE fan, and while I loved RE4 and thought it was amazing, i was still disappointed. Im guessing fans of the previous Splinter Cell games are felling the same way.

But Conviction is still averaging 87% at Gamerankings, so still a great game.

Anjunaddict

Dude, c'mon, SCC's gameplay could have accommodated more stealth elements, like making noises to distract guards (sticky cam is kinda of **** and limited), non lethal take downs and hiding bodies. It's level design could have also been more open to allow a pure stealth approach, but instead it focused on funneling you into taking people out, using mark and execute or getting into gun fights in certain areas.

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I dont see it as being dumbed down, but just as taking a new direction, similar to the Resident Evil franchise. Im a hardcore RE fan, and while I loved RE4 and thought it was amazing, i was still disappointed. Im guessing fans of the previous Splinter Cell games are felling the same way.

But Conviction is still averaging 87% at Gamerankings, so still a great game.

AAllxxjjnn

Dude, c'mon, SCC's gameplay could have accommodated more stealth elements, like making noises to distract guards (sticky cam is kinda of **** and limited), non lethal take downs and hiding bodies. It's level design could have also been more open to allow a pure stealth approach, but instead it focused on funneling you into taking people out, using mark and execute or getting into gun fights in certain areas.

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I dont see it as being dumbed down, but just as taking a new direction, similar to the Resident Evil franchise. Im a hardcore RE fan, and while I loved RE4 and thought it was amazing, i was still disappointed. Im guessing fans of the previous Splinter Cell games are felling the same way.

But Conviction is still averaging 87% at Gamerankings, so still a great game.

Anjunaddict

Dude, c'mon, SCC's gameplay could have accommodated more stealth elements, like making noises to distract guards (sticky cam is kinda of **** and limited), non lethal take downs and hiding bodies. It's level design could have also been more open to allow a pure stealth approach, but instead it focused on funneling you into taking people out, using mark and execute or getting into gun fights in certain areas.

I don't consider the game dumbed down just because it has a change in direction, freaking love the game myself.

There are a couple parts that I feel don't fit, but the game is arguably better than anything the series has produced.

I like the game, I don't see it as dumbed down either, it's just different.

Everybody likes to point at the things that were taken out but nobody likes to pay attention to the things they have added.

deangallop

"we didn't want to make another Chaos Theory" (from a recent interview) Ubi ..... just.... stop. SAGE_OF_FIRE

"we didn't want to make another Chaos Theory" (from a recent interview) Ubi ..... just.... stop. SAGE_OF_FIRE

lol

I prefer: "We didn't have enough time to include carrying dead bodies" that's so full of win... :lol:

Is Ubisoft intentionally driving every major franchise they have into the ground? Ubisoft used to have tons of great franchises, given a few were niche games, but still great games non the less. It seems as if the only major Ubisoft franchise that hasn't gone from AAA quality to AA/A quality is AC.

I swear if they have just slap this on instead of naming it Splinter Cell...I would be pretty hyped for this game:D

Its no splinter cell classic which made it unique from Metal Gear Solid. The new Change is good just not what most people wanted.Fightingfan

I like the game, I don't see it as dumbed down either, it's just different.

Everybody likes to point at the things that were taken out but nobody likes to pay attention to the things they have added.

deangallop

Exactly. It can still be played very stealthy. In Kobin's mansion, I used mark and execute once. I hid in shadows, lured bad guys out, climbed pipes and hid ouside windows.

In the museum, I cleared the whole area with only hand-to-hand takedowns without setting off an alert once. The only time I used by pistol was to shoot out a light to lure guards to the area. In Kobin's mansion, I cleared the whole area out without firing a shot.

And I'm not an uber gamer either. The means to do it is right there in the game. If you choose to go in guns a-blazin, that's your choice. If that choice leaves you disappointed with the stealth, it's your own fault.

Exactly. It can still be played very stealthy. In Kobin's mansion, I used mark and execute once. I hid in shadows, lured bad guys out, climbed pipes and hid ouside windows.

In the museum, I cleared the whole area with only hand-to-hand takedowns without setting off an alert once. The only time I used by pistol was to shoot out a light to lure guards to the area. In Kobin's mansion, I cleared the whole area out without firing a shot.

And I'm not an uber gamer either. The means to do it is right there in the game. If you choose to go in guns a-blazin, that's your choice. If that choice leaves you disappointed with the stealth, it's your own fault.

VoodooHak

No, I don't think so.

A good stealth game should not have "guns-a-blazin'" as a legitimate and consistently reliable option.

The game is a clear and marked downgrade from its predecessors, even the disappointing Double Agent, and its focus on stealth is considerably and obviously diminished, in favor of a streamlined and bastardized cake-walk of a game, with less challenge and cerebral engagement than such titles as the excellent Chaos Theory, which was, believe it or not, a mere two versions ago.

That you can play it stealthily irrelevant; there shouldn't even be a question of whether or not you play it as action or stealth, it's supposed to be a goddamn stealth game to begin with, the only question should be "what kind of stealth?".

Lets not forget, there isn't a Spy's vs Merc's mode anymore. And you can only play with one other person. Yea, those two things really made me regret buying the game. Like others have said, the removal of several stealth elements only hurts the game even more.

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I like the game, I don't see it as dumbed down either, it's just different.

Everybody likes to point at the things that were taken out but nobody likes to pay attention to the things they have added.

VoodooHak

Exactly. It can still be played very stealthy. In Kobin's mansion, I used mark and execute once. I hid in shadows, lured bad guys out, climbed pipes and hid ouside windows.

In the museum, I cleared the whole area with only hand-to-hand takedowns without setting off an alert once. The only time I used by pistol was to shoot out a light to lure guards to the area. In Kobin's mansion, I cleared the whole area out without firing a shot.

And I'm not an uber gamer either. The means to do it is right there in the game. If you choose to go in guns a-blazin, that's your choice. If that choice leaves you disappointed with the stealth, it's your own fault.

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I like the game, I don't see it as dumbed down either, it's just different.

Everybody likes to point at the things that were taken out but nobody likes to pay attention to the things they have added.

Darkslayer16

Exactly. It can still be played very stealthy. In Kobin's mansion, I used mark and execute once. I hid in shadows, lured bad guys out, climbed pipes and hid ouside windows.

In the museum, I cleared the whole area with only hand-to-hand takedowns without setting off an alert once. The only time I used by pistol was to shoot out a light to lure guards to the area. In Kobin's mansion, I cleared the whole area out without firing a shot.

And I'm not an uber gamer either. The means to do it is right there in the game. If you choose to go in guns a-blazin, that's your choice. If that choice leaves you disappointed with the stealth, it's your own fault.

Yes it is. It honestly felt like I was playing Gears of War. There were far too many moments were I was forced to go guns blazing because the few stealth elements flat out sucked. Popping caps in everyone's heads was a more viable options than sneaking in the shadows. Why? Because it was a lot faster and efficient than taking a stealth route.

This isn't what I want from a SC game.

Yes it is. It honestly felt like I was playing Gears of War. There were far too many moments were I was forced to go guns blazing because the few stealth elements flat out sucked. Popping caps in everyone's heads was a more viable options than sneaking in the shadows. Why? Because it was a lot faster and efficient than taking a stealth route.

This isn't what I want from a SC game.

SpinoRaptor24

I dont see it as being dumbed down, but just as taking a new direction, similar to the Resident Evil franchise. Im a hardcore RE fan, and while I loved RE4 and thought it was amazing, i was still disappointed. Im guessing fans of the previous Splinter Cell games are felling the same way.

But Conviction is still averaging 87% at Gamerankings, so still a great game.

Anjunaddict

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Yes it is. It honestly felt like I was playing Gears of War. There were far too many moments were I was forced to go guns blazing because the few stealth elements flat out sucked. Popping caps in everyone's heads was a more viable options than sneaking in the shadows. Why? Because it was a lot faster and efficient than taking a stealth route.

This isn't what I want from a SC game.

deangallop

You never played the final few missions against the red eyed Splinter Cells?

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Yes it is. It honestly felt like I was playing Gears of War. There were far too many moments were I was forced to go guns blazing because the few stealth elements flat out sucked. Popping caps in everyone's heads was a more viable options than sneaking in the shadows. Why? Because it was a lot faster and efficient than taking a stealth route.

This isn't what I want from a SC game.

SpinoRaptor24

You never played the final few missions against the red eyed Splinter Cells?

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Exactly. It can still be played very stealthy. In Kobin's mansion, I used mark and execute once. I hid in shadows, lured bad guys out, climbed pipes and hid ouside windows.

In the museum, I cleared the whole area with only hand-to-hand takedowns without setting off an alert once. The only time I used by pistol was to shoot out a light to lure guards to the area. In Kobin's mansion, I cleared the whole area out without firing a shot.

And I'm not an uber gamer either. The means to do it is right there in the game. If you choose to go in guns a-blazin, that's your choice. If that choice leaves you disappointed with the stealth, it's your own fault.

jethrovegas

No, I don't think so.

A good stealth game should not have "guns-a-blazin'" as a legitimate and consistently reliable option.

The game is a clear and marked downgrade from its predecessors, even the disappointing Double Agent, and its focus on stealth is considerably and obviously diminished, in favor of a streamlined and bastardized cake-walk of a game, with less challenge and cerebral engagement than such titles as the excellent Chaos Theory, which was, believe it or not, a mere two versions ago.

That you can play it stealthily irrelevant; there shouldn't even be a question of whether or not you play it as action or stealth, it's supposed to be a goddamn stealth game to begin with, the only question should be "what kind of stealth?".

Such a great game shouldn't have so many crying about it, but I guess your just always gonna have some whom do nothing but cry & complain.

I hated the old Splinter cells, way to complicated. I can understand this one a lot easier n00bkid

well I guess that explains everything

i rather saying "had a reboot" .... i actually didn't like the previous installments that much anyway.

Whats wrong with other people enjoying the game except for a select fewelite's who think everything should be as hard as battletoads and only completable by them.Games are becoming more accesible as its becoming a more popular form of entertainment for people nowadays im pretty sure the games industry is NOW bigger than the film industry which should be an indicator.

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[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Exactly. It can still be played very stealthy. In Kobin's mansion, I used mark and execute once. I hid in shadows, lured bad guys out, climbed pipes and hid ouside windows.

In the museum, I cleared the whole area with only hand-to-hand takedowns without setting off an alert once. The only time I used by pistol was to shoot out a light to lure guards to the area. In Kobin's mansion, I cleared the whole area out without firing a shot.

And I'm not an uber gamer either. The means to do it is right there in the game. If you choose to go in guns a-blazin, that's your choice. If that choice leaves you disappointed with the stealth, it's your own fault.

Makari

No, I don't think so.

A good stealth game should not have "guns-a-blazin'" as a legitimate and consistently reliable option.

The game is a clear and marked downgrade from its predecessors, even the disappointing Double Agent, and its focus on stealth is considerably and obviously diminished, in favor of a streamlined and bastardized cake-walk of a game, with less challenge and cerebral engagement than such titles as the excellent Chaos Theory, which was, believe it or not, a mere two versions ago.

That you can play it stealthily irrelevant; there shouldn't even be a question of whether or not you play it as action or stealth, it's supposed to be a goddamn stealth game to begin with, the only question should be "what kind of stealth?".

The patterns seems to be some toddler-like refusal to let the action game kids play your favorite stealth game.

As long as the game lets me play with stealth, they haven't abandoned me. I welcome the action game folks to the series. Do the PEC challenges. They're a nice a reward system for giving stealth a shot.

Although the developers should keep long time fans of the series in mind, it is their decision if they want to take a different style in their franchise - just because they moved the game towards a more stealth/action style rather than a pure stealth game doesnt mean they dumbed down the game, it means they want the game to appeal to a wider audience than just the fanboys who want you to become a pacifist unarmed lone agent :P. The story of the game has to match the gameplay mechanics aswell, using full stealth to match a story like in conviction is not practical.

Although the developers should keep long time fans of the series in mind, it is their decision if they want to take a different style in their franchise - just because they moved the game towards a more stealth/action style rather than a pure stealth game doesnt mean they dumbed down the game, it means they want the game to appeal to a wider audience than just the fanboys who want you to become a pacifist unarmed lone agent :P. The story of the game has to match the gameplay mechanics aswell, using full stealth to match a story like in conviction is not practical.

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