is the bluray really an advantage for developers to work on?

we've seen large games such as DA:O and GtaIV that looks better on the ps3. is it because of bluray's larger storage than the hd-dvd or just a coincidence?

Well, the way things are going, having Blu-ray does allow a lot more freedom for developers to do, especially since the size of games are always increasing

Not necessarrily. If you stop up and think for a second, the only developers which have taken true "advantage" blu-ray are games which have been funded by Sony themselves. No third party developers have with their own funds filled up an entire blu-ray disc with a single game, simply because it would bring development time and costs on the border of painful.

No. What makes a game look better is the hardware (read: pretty much the GPU). Sure, you can fit better textures on a bluray, but it also runs slower than a DVD drive, requiring textures to be repeated over the disc to bring loading times into an acceptable range. Which defeats the purpose of extra space anyway.

More Space > Less Space.

Now if SONY had a faster Blu-Ray drive, devs would be even more pleased.

It won't make much difference this gen, but next gen it will if we don't go down the PC route with full installs. (Which will render Blu-Ray useless)

Also. GTAIV looked and ran better on the 360.

Not necessarrily. If you stop up and think for a second, the only developers which have taken true "advantage" blu-ray are games which have been funded by Sony themselves. No third party developers have with their own funds filled up an entire blu-ray disc with a single game, simply because it would bring development time and costs on the border of painful.

DoomZaW

I know one that most people don't care about here, they can fit more then one sound track and you can set invidualy if you want english voice with local subs or just local voice, multiplats don't use this advantage because of DVD9 of 360

More Space > Less Space.

Now if SONY had a faster Blu-Ray drive, devs would be even more pleased.

It won't make much difference this gen, but next gen it will if we don't go down the PC route with full installs. (Which will render Blu-Ray useless)

Also. GTAIV looked and ran better on the 360.

Stats_

Digital downloads on steam is already proof enough that we don't need physical media all together

I know one that most people don't care about here, they can fit more then one sound track and you can set invidualy if you want english voice with local subs or just local voice, multiplats don't use this advantage because of DVD9 of 360

ShadowriverUB

I doubt the 360 is the reason ... More to do with the fact few people care. Many PC games come with only one language, and they have a smuch space as they want.

I'm pretty sure Id software said that their new RAGE game will look better on the ps3 b/c they have the blu ray space for higher res textures. in general more space is better, i think what people are missing is that yes only exclusives generally use the mass of the blu ray b/c the multiplats are dev'ed on the 360. there are exceptions to every rule (DA:O)

Digital downloads on steam is already proof enough that we don't need physical media all together

DoomZaW

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

More Space > Less Space.

Now if SONY had a faster Blu-Ray drive, devs would be even more pleased.

It won't make much difference this gen, but next gen it will if we don't go down the PC route with full installs. (Which will render Blu-Ray useless)

Also. GTAIV looked and ran better on the 360.

DoomZaW

Digital downloads on steam is already proof enough that we don't need physical media all together

What we need and what we want are often two completelt different things.

I don't need physical media any more then i need to play games, but i want both.

I'm pretty sure Id software said that their new RAGE game will look better on the ps3 b/c they have the blu ray space for higher res textures. in general more space is better, i think what people are missing is that yes only exclusives generally use the mass of the blu ray b/c the multiplats are dev'ed on the 360. there are exceptions to every rule (DA:O)

z4twenny

That extra space advantage could easily be negated if ID allowed textures to be uncompressed and installed to the HDD for the 360 owners who have them, and for those that don't they can use the compressed textures.

They could even release a download on the marketplace for higher res textures.

Blu-Ray isn't needed at all ...

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

I know one that most people don't care about here, they can fit more then one sound track and you can set invidualy if you want english voice with local subs or just local voice, multiplats don't use this advantage because of DVD9 of 360

Stats_

I doubt the 360 is the reason ... More to do with the fact few people care. Many PC games come with only one language, and they have a smuch space as they want.

Few people care about localizations? In Europe is major thing only 10% of Europe is native English speakers and most of people in one country don't know english.

Also PC come with only one track since PC don't have licencing process, so even publishers can modify content and make there own local edtion of game.... and there also limited with DVD

Whatever you say, this feature is very good solution that gamers in my country likes.

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

I'm pretty sure Id software said that their new RAGE game will look better on the ps3 b/c they have the blu ray space for higher res textures. in general more space is better, i think what people are missing is that yes only exclusives generally use the mass of the blu ray b/c the multiplats are dev'ed on the 360. there are exceptions to every rule (DA:O)

Stats_

That extra space advantage could easily be negated if ID allowed textures to be uncompressed and installed to the HDD for the 360 owners who have them, and for those that don't they can use the compressed textures.

They could even release a download on the marketplace for higher res textures.

Blu-Ray isn't needed at all ...

whoa whoa whoa, first you tell me that the hi res textures would have to be downloaded (like what 10 gigs maybe, do you know how long it takes to download 10 gigs? my line tops out at about 1.5 mbs and a gig takes 15 minutes at that.... you can do the math right)

THEN you say "blu ray isn't needed at all" yeah i guess if you dont mind downloading a patch for an hour and a half. i mean hell, i guess if they had made a 49.5 gig download we could fit it on a cd right!!! :roll:

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

I know one that most people don't care about here, they can fit more then one sound track and you can set invidualy if you want english voice with local subs or just local voice, multiplats don't use this advantage because of DVD9 of 360

ShadowriverUB

I doubt the 360 is the reason ... More to do with the fact few people care. Many PC games come with only one language, and they have a smuch space as they want.

Few people care about localizations? In Europe is major thing only 10% of Europe is native English speakers and most of people in one country don't know english.

Also PC come with only one track since PC don't have licencing process, so even publishers can modify content and make there own local edtion of game.... and there also limited with DVD

Whatever you say, this feature is very good solution that gamers in my country likes.

10% maybe native speakers, but how much do you think ACTUALLY speak english? You know ... it being probably the most use dlanguage on earth.

I read that about 50% of europeans claim to have sufficient english skills. That makes about 60% english speakers.

Also, in Europe, english speakers probably have FAR more buying power and as such are given priority.

Also, also. I doubt they're limited by DVD considering most games are actually larger then 9 GB's when uncompressed, but smaller then 9GB's when compressed.

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

I'm pretty sure Id software said that their new RAGE game will look better on the ps3 b/c they have the blu ray space for higher res textures. in general more space is better, i think what people are missing is that yes only exclusives generally use the mass of the blu ray b/c the multiplats are dev'ed on the 360. there are exceptions to every rule (DA:O)

z4twenny

That extra space advantage could easily be negated if ID allowed textures to be uncompressed and installed to the HDD for the 360 owners who have them, and for those that don't they can use the compressed textures.

They could even release a download on the marketplace for higher res textures.

Blu-Ray isn't needed at all ...

whoa whoa whoa, first you tell me that the hi res textures would have to be downloaded (like what 10 gigs maybe, do you know how long it takes to download 10 gigs? my line tops out at about 1.5 mbs and a gig takes 15 minutes at that.... you can do the math right)

THEN you say "blu ray isn't needed at all" yeah i guess if you dont mind downloading a patch for an hour and a half. i mean hell, i guess if they had made a 49.5 gig download we could fit it on a cd right!!! :roll:

The simple FACT that there are OTHER ways to dos omething, means on particular way isn't "needed"

PC gamers don't NEED bluray. As another poster said Direct Downloads prove this. They download FULL games, not just textures, which are then uncompressed.

Xbox gamers could do the same, and I ASSURE you, few, if any PC games are 50GB in size ...

Edit: As i see your a PS3 owner, you should eb sued to overlylong patching. Infact i had to re-install SOCOM and it's patches the other day and i have a 10MB line, and it took about an hour.

Well Naughty Dog said the maxed out the space of the Blu Ray disc for Uncharted 2, so I guess it is an advantage?

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

I doubt the 360 is the reason ... More to do with the fact few people care. Many PC games come with only one language, and they have a smuch space as they want.

Stats_

Few people care about localizations? In Europe is major thing only 10% of Europe is native English speakers and most of people in one country don't know english.

Also PC come with only one track since PC don't have licencing process, so even publishers can modify content and make there own local edtion of game.... and there also limited with DVD

Whatever you say, this feature is very good solution that gamers in my country likes.

10% maybe native speakers, but how much do you think ACTUALLY speak english? You know ... it being probably the most use dlanguage on earth.

I read that about 50% of europeans claim to have sufficient english skills. That makes about 60% english speakers.

Also, in Europe, english speakers probably have FAR more buying power and as such are given priority.

Also, also. I doubt they're limited by DVD considering most games are actually larger then 9 GB's when uncompressed, but smaller then 9GB's when compressed.

So why people in my country do sites with subs to movies? If you would leave around not english speakers you would understad that realuity is diffrent, as a guy who knows english quite good (as you see) i'm very offten supprise that how people of my country can't speak english. Localiztions are very importent in Europe then you think.

Also commpresion only gives only few extra GB's, even so note that they have that large amount of data, still they have place only for one track.

The simple FACT that there are OTHER ways to dos omething, means on particular way isn't "needed"

PC gamers don't NEED bluray. As another poster said Direct Downloads prove this. They download FULL games, not just textures, which are then uncompressed.

Xbox gamers could do the same, and I ASSURE you, few, if any PC games are 50GB in size ...

Stats_

you realize writing fact in caps doesn't actually make it a fact right.

the fact is that while there are other ways to do something, they're unnecessarily arduous. like i said, lets put the game on 6000 floppies and install it, sure go for it. i mean its just another way to do it right? lets put it in 1's and 0's on punch cards and put it in that way, cuz you know DVD's arent NEEDED. lets just keep going backwardsuntil we have abacus' plugged into our thatch and vine tv's to play a primitive version of pong

direct downloads as the only form of game purchasing wouldalienate far too many gamers. i know several people that have a ps3 and dont play online b/c they can't get good service in their area. thats why i think the psp go was a terrible idea.

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

The simple FACT that there are OTHER ways to dos omething, means on particular way isn't "needed"

PC gamers don't NEED bluray. As another poster said Direct Downloads prove this. They download FULL games, not just textures, which are then uncompressed.

Xbox gamers could do the same, and I ASSURE you, few, if any PC games are 50GB in size ...

z4twenny

you realize writing fact in caps doesn't actually make it a fact right.

the fact is that while there are other ways to do something, they're unnecessarily arduous.like i said, lets put the game on 6000 floppies and install it, sure go for it. i mean its just another way to do it right? lets put it in 1's and 0's on punch cards and put it in that way, cuz you knowDVD's arent NEEDED. lets just keep going backwardsuntil we have abacus' plugged into our thatch and vine tv's to play a primitive version of pong

direct downloadsas the only form of game purchasing wouldalienate far too many gamers. i know several people thathave a ps3 and dont play onlineb/c they can't get good service in their area. thats why i think the psp go was a terrible idea.

Writing in caps dosen't make it a fact. The fact it's a fact makes it aFACT ...

It's a fact games don't need Blu-Ray.

You thinking it's a terrible idea, or that some people don't like it dosen't change the FACT, that it's being done, and is being done ALOT.

Direct Download is the future. Like it or not. I don't like it, but it's still the future.

Blu-Ray is just a stop gap between now and the full realization of DD.

Blu-Ray IS an advantage. However it's not a HUGE advantage, and it can be worked around with little effort.

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

I know one that most people don't care about here, they can fit more then one sound track and you can set invidualy if you want english voice with local subs or just local voice, multiplats don't use this advantage because of DVD9 of 360

Stats_

I doubt the 360 is the reason ... More to do with the fact few people care. Many PC games come with only one language, and they have a smuch space as they want.

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

Few people care about localizations? In Europe is major thing only 10% of Europe is native English speakers and most of people in one country don't know english.

Also PC come with only one track since PC don't have licencing process, so even publishers can modify content and make there own local edtion of game.... and there also limited with DVD

Whatever you say, this feature is very good solution that gamers in my country likes.

ShadowriverUB

10% maybe native speakers, but how much do you think ACTUALLY speak english? You know ... it being probably the most use dlanguage on earth.

I read that about 50% of europeans claim to have sufficient english skills. That makes about 60% english speakers.

Also, in Europe, english speakers probably have FAR more buying power and as such are given priority.

Also, also. I doubt they're limited by DVD considering most games are actually larger then 9 GB's when uncompressed, but smaller then 9GB's when compressed.

So why people in my country do sites with subs to movies? If you would leave around not english speakers you would understad that realuity is diffrent, as a guy who knows english quite good (as you see) i'm very offten supprise that how people of my country can't speak english. Localiztions are very importent in Europe then you think.

Also commpresion only gives only few extra GB's, even so note that they have that large amount of data, still they have place only for one track.

Hey, im just showing you that most people in europe are probably decent at speaking english. Preference is another thing. I'd prefer to be fed my own language too ...

However that's too much effort, with little reason to do so for Devs. It's not the Xbox's fault. Mutliplats dom't omit custom soundtracks just cause they're not always supported on the PS3 now do they?

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

10% maybe native speakers, but how much do you think ACTUALLY speak english? You know ... it being probably the most use dlanguage on earth.

I read that about 50% of europeans claim to have sufficient english skills. That makes about 60% english speakers.

Also, in Europe, english speakers probably have FAR more buying power and as such are given priority.

Also, also. I doubt they're limited by DVD considering most games are actually larger then 9 GB's when uncompressed, but smaller then 9GB's when compressed.

Stats_

So why people in my country do sites with subs to movies? If you would leave around not english speakers you would understad that realuity is diffrent, as a guy who knows english quite good (as you see) i'm very offten supprise that how people of my country can't speak english. Localiztions are very importent in Europe then you think.

Also commpresion only gives only few extra GB's, even so note that they have that large amount of data, still they have place only for one track.

Hey, im just showing you that most people in europe are probably decent at speaking english. Preference is another thing. I'd prefer to be fed my own language too ...

However that's too much effort, with little reason to do so for Devs. It's not the Xbox's fault. Mutliplats dom't omit custom soundtracks just cause they're not always supported on the PS3 now do they?

To make equal content with 360?

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

So why people in my country do sites with subs to movies? If you would leave around not english speakers you would understad that realuity is diffrent, as a guy who knows english quite good (as you see) i'm very offten supprise that how people of my country can't speak english. Localiztions are very importent in Europe then you think.

Also commpresion only gives only few extra GB's, even so note that they have that large amount of data, still they have place only for one track.

ShadowriverUB

Hey, im just showing you that most people in europe are probably decent at speaking english. Preference is another thing. I'd prefer to be fed my own language too ...

However that's too much effort, with little reason to do so for Devs. It's not the Xbox's fault. Mutliplats dom't omit custom soundtracks just cause they're not always supported on the PS3 now do they?

To make equal content with 360?

Was just an example. The game's dont have to be identicle. How many PS3 multiplats are improved over their Xbox counterparts?

Same could be said for the 360. Virtua Fighter on the 360 is online, whilst the PS3 version isnt.

Blu-ray gives you more wiggle room to stuff more things in, but the sizes of current games can fit very nicely in a DVD, and those bigger games can use two disks, i mean in the PSX era, FF VII used three disks and GT2 had two, and no one complained

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

Hey, im just showing you that most people in europe are probably decent at speaking english. Preference is another thing. I'd prefer to be fed my own language too ...

However that's too much effort, with little reason to do so for Devs. It's not the Xbox's fault. Mutliplats dom't omit custom soundtracks just cause they're not always supported on the PS3 now do they?

Stats_

To make equal content with 360?

Was just an example. The game's dont have to be identicle. How many PS3 multiplats are improved over their Xbox counterparts?

Same could be said for the 360. Virtua Fighter on the 360 is online, whilst the PS3 version isnt.

Because Sega don't want to host there own servers? or don't have skill to code there own server software for each game for scrach?

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

To make equal content with 360?

ShadowriverUB

Was just an example. The game's dont have to be identicle. How many PS3 multiplats are improved over their Xbox counterparts?

Same could be said for the 360. Virtua Fighter on the 360 is online, whilst the PS3 version isnt.

Because Sega don't want to host there own servers? or don't have skill to code there own server software for each game for scrach?

Actually, i believe it was 'cause PSN was a MESS at the time. Alot of launch multiplats had this problem too i read.

The reason isn't important.

What i'm getting at is devs don't have to sacrafice certain aspects of a game, just for the sake of the other console. As is evident if we look at othe games.

You're argument that it's the 360's fault is a redundant.

bluray is a new technology, maybe it's a good strategy for Sony's goal to give the ps3 a 10-year lifespan, while I think the xbox 360 needs to release a new console in a couple of years, like at the end of 2012. it'd last 7 glorious years, which are not bad. Already now I can't believe that there are still consoles without HDD and even worse without a wi-fi adapter.. you need to buy it at a crazy price. that's one of the reasons why I never play online with my xbox 360. I'm not gonna spend extra 60 euros for something that should be included.

[QUOTE="DoomZaW"]Digital downloads on steam is already proof enough that we don't need physical media all togetherz4twenny

Going by the logic of RRoD deniers, your friends and acquaintances are all works of fiction, hence why are your argument is void. :P

Not necessarrily. If you stop up and think for a second, the only developers which have taken true "advantage" blu-ray are games which have been funded by Sony themselves. No third party developers have with their own funds filled up an entire blu-ray disc with a single game, simply because it would bring development time and costs on the border of painful.

DoomZaW

[QUOTE="Stats_"][QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]I know one that most people don't care about here, they can fit more then one sound track and you can set invidualy if you want english voice with local subs or just local voice, multiplats don't use this advantage because of DVD9 of 360ShadowriverUB

German may be the most widely spoken mother tongue in the European Union, but English is by far the most spoken foreign language at over half of the population. I feel that it is also safe to assume that those capable of the English language in the European Union are the younger folk and the younger folk are the ones likely to be gamers. A number of informed German gamers already import games from the United Kingdom anyway to avoid censorship and bans that Germany puts on some games. Games in the United Kingdom also tend to be €15 to €20 cheaper than in the rest of the European Union.

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="Stats_"]I doubt the 360 is the reason ... More to do with the fact few people care. Many PC games come with only one language, and they have a smuch space as they want.Hexagon_777

German may be the most widely spoken mother tongue in the European Union, but English is by far the most spoken foreign language at over half of the population. I feel that it is also safe to assume that those capable of the English language in the European Union are the younger folk and the younger folk are the ones likely to be gamers. A number of informed German gamers already import games from the United Kingdom anyway to avoid censorship and bans that Germany puts on some games. Games in the United Kingdom also tend to be €15 to €20 cheaper than in the rest of the European Union.

Not necessarrily. If you stop up and think for a second, the only developers which have taken true "advantage" blu-ray are games which have been funded by Sony themselves. No third party developers have with their own funds filled up an entire blu-ray disc with a single game, simply because it would bring development time and costs on the border of painful.

DoomZaW

I am sure if you had one you wouldn't be against devs making larger games. Since when is 6.8gb (yes its that low on 360 due to security reasons) a limit.... Let me guess you agreed with Bill Gates back in the day when he said "640k, who will ever use more than that?" Hell games on pc are pushing 20gb, Connan MMo was over that ammount, why should PS3 owners get the shaft just because Ms stuck with a out of date tech to push their console first? Things are changing...time to get on board the PS3 train.

Blu-ray in the PS3's case is a mixed bag, it has higher capacity but a very slow read speed.

So it is not so much an outright advantage but a mixture of up and down sides, at least in the case of the 2x speed one in the PS3.

Why are you lemmings so against having more content on bluray? I thought most of you guys "owned both" or so you say. So whats the problem? Better games on bluray with more features is a win for gamers...unless you are a 360 fanboy and hate anything non microsoft.. then I don't see what the problem is.Midnightshade29

I own both, so I'm no lemming, however, you're only saying this because you have a PS3. If you only had a 360, wouldn't YOU want to have a piece of that extra content as well? It's not fair to single console owners to shortchange 'em because of lack of space. Developers are already doing DLC-exclusive crap, and I'd rather everybody get a fair shake at all the content for the games they purchase.

Why are you lemmings so against having more content on bluray? I thought most of you guys "owned both" or so you say. So whats the problem? Better games on bluray with more features is a win for gamers...unless you are a 360 fanboy and hate anything non microsoft.. then I don't see what the problem is.Midnightshade29

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

I'm pretty sure Id software said that their new RAGE game will look better on the ps3 b/c they have the blu ray space for higher res textures. in general more space is better, i think what people are missing is that yes only exclusives generally use the mass of the blu ray b/c the multiplats are dev'ed on the 360. there are exceptions to every rule (DA:O)

z4twenny

That extra space advantage could easily be negated if ID allowed textures to be uncompressed and installed to the HDD for the 360 owners who have them, and for those that don't they can use the compressed textures.

They could even release a download on the marketplace for higher res textures.

Blu-Ray isn't needed at all ...

whoa whoa whoa, first you tell me that the hi res textures would have to be downloaded (like what 10 gigs maybe, do you know how long it takes to download 10 gigs? my line tops out at about 1.5 mbs and a gig takes 15 minutes at that.... you can do the math right)

THEN you say "blu ray isn't needed at all" yeah i guess if you dont mind downloading a patch for an hour and a half. i mean hell, i guess if they had made a 49.5 gig download we could fit it on a cd right!!! :roll:

.

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"]Why are you lemmings so against having more content on bluray? I thought most of you guys "owned both" or so you say. So whats the problem? Better games on bluray with more features is a win for gamers...unless you are a 360 fanboy and hate anything non microsoft.. then I don't see what the problem is.furomaster_99

Because

Computer HDD space >>>>>>>>>> Blue ray disk space

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"]Why are you lemmings so against having more content on bluray? I thought most of you guys "owned both" or so you say. So whats the problem? Better games on bluray with more features is a win for gamers...unless you are a 360 fanboy and hate anything non microsoft.. then I don't see what the problem is.Yankees718

Because

Computer HDD space >>>>>>>>>> Blue ray disk space

360 hdd space $$$>>>>>>>>>>>>$ Blue ray disk space

[QUOTE="Yankees718"]

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]MS Aaron Greenberg said that bluray was useless and digital download was the future. So, it gets confusing for lemmings when they see conflicting evidence. :)

furomaster_99

Because

Computer HDD space >>>>>>>>>> Blue ray disk space

360 hdd space $$$>>>>>>>>>>>>$ Blue ray disk space

Because computer HDD space >>>>>>>>>Blue Ray disk space

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="Yankees718"]

Because

Computer HDD space >>>>>>>>>> Blue ray disk space

Yankees718

360 hdd space $$$>>>>>>>>>>>>$ Blue ray disk space

Because computer HDD space >>>>>>>>>Blue Ray disk space

Yes. Because everyone knows how convenient it would be to have 50 bluray games on a hdd. :roll:

furomaster_99

Basically you're assuming a "Blu-ray game" would take up the entire capacity of the disk, which most don't.

From what I'm hearing a "Blu-ray game" largely consists of duplicated data and a needless lack of compression. Games like Crysis offer a graphical quality and level size that exceeds these Blu-ray games; and yet it fits happily on a single DVD in its installed form.