is the bluray really an advantage for developers to work on?

[QUOTE="Yankees718"]

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]Because

360 hdd space $$$>>>>>>>>>>>>$ Blue ray disk space

furomaster_99

Because computer HDD space >>>>>>>>>Blue Ray disk space

I don't really want the death of physical media...

Also Blu-Ray probably has the capacity to do this, which would be a pretty good advantage for owners of multiple consoles. Although I'm sure it will never happen.

Basically imo Blu-Ray just needs faster read speeds and to continue to lower costs and I imagine it will become standard - alongside direct download for those who choose it.

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="Yankees718"]

Because computer HDD space >>>>>>>>>Blue Ray disk space

linkthewindow

Is this a joke post? The xbox360 has 500GB HDD's? How much are they? You see, I was referring to the 360 vs. ps3 ..... Like (who would have guessed that) 90% of all posts in system wars.

furomaster_99

You try to exclude PC from this discussion; and yet you responded directly to someone who clearly was talking about PC?

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="Stats_"]I doubt the 360 is the reason ... More to do with the fact few people care. Many PC games come with only one language, and they have a smuch space as they want.Stats_

Also PC come with only one track since PC don't have licencing process, so even publishers can modify content and make there own local edtion of game.... and there also limited with DVD

Whatever you say, this feature is very good solution that gamers in my country likes.

I read that about 50% of europeans claim to have sufficient english skills. That makes about 60% english speakers.

Also, in Europe, english speakers probably have FAR more buying power and as such are given priority.

13% of the population of the European Union are actually English native speakers while 51% of the population speak English as a whole. That was back in 2006, however, so it will likely be a lot more now.

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]Yes. Because everyone knows how convenient it would be to have 50 bluray games on a hdd. :roll:AnnoyedDragon

From what I'm hearing a "Blu-ray game" largely consists of duplicated data and a needless lack of compression. Games like Crysis offer a graphical quality and level size that exceeds these Blu-ray games; and yet it fits happily on a single DVD in its installed form.

Please be there whenever the argument pops up, for this is one of the most used arguments against digital distribution, and as you depict, it is a an illogical one.

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

I'm pretty sure Id software said that their new RAGE game will look better on the ps3 b/c they have the blu ray space for higher res textures. in general more space is better, i think what people are missing is that yes only exclusives generally use the mass of the blu ray b/c the multiplats are dev'ed on the 360. there are exceptions to every rule (DA:O)

Stats_

That extra space advantage could easily be negated if ID allowed textures to be uncompressed and installed to the HDD for the 360 owners who have them, and for those that don't they can use the compressed textures.

They could even release a download on the marketplace for higher res textures.

Blu-Ray isn't needed at all ...

This won't ever happen because many 360's sold don't have a hard drive. MS won't let games look better for their hard drive 360's than the arcade.

Blu- Ray is an advantage, its just that PS3's disadvantages nagates it.

Was just an example. The game's dont have to be
identicle. How many PS3 multiplats are improved over their Xbox counterparts?

Same could be said for the 360. Virtua Fighter on the
360 is online, whilst the PS3 version isnt.

Thats a dumb example..your comparing a game that came out on ps3 around
launch.. most launch games on PS3 were limited due to devs not knowing the
hardware... I gave 2 examples of games... Command and Conquer Ultimate edtion
and Dante's Inferno the Standard ED on PS3 is actually a collectors ed due to
the extra space! 360 doesn't get it at all! These are multiplats.. Also you have
games like Star Ocean 4 International that have multi-language tracks, extras
and more game content....not on the 360... same with the Eternal Sontata port ,
and I am sure many others. There are many ways besides exclusives devs can take
advantage of that extra space.

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"]Why are you lemmings so against having more content on bluray? I thought most of you guys "owned both" or so you say. So whats the problem? Better games on bluray with more features is a win for gamers...unless you are a 360 fanboy and hate anything non microsoft.. then I don't see what the problem is.Cerberus_Legion

I own both, so I'm no lemming, however, you're only saying this because you have a PS3. If you only had a 360, wouldn't YOU want to have a piece of that extra content as well? It's not fair to single console owners to shortchange 'em because of lack of space. Developers are already doing DLC-exclusive crap, and I'd rather everybody get a fair shake at all the content for the games they purchase.

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

Yes. Because everyone knows how convenient it would be to have 50 bluray games on a hdd. :roll:

AnnoyedDragon

Basically you're assuming a "Blu-ray game" would take up the entire capacity of the disk, which most don't.

From what I'm hearing a "Blu-ray game" largely consists of duplicated data and a needless lack of compression. Games like Crysis offer a graphical quality and level size that exceeds these Blu-ray games; and yet it fits happily on a single DVD in its installed form.

snipMidnightshade29

Uh... can you please separate that wall into something legible before I give a response?

Fine... I'll give it a go then...

Most FPS games don't take much space, as they are typically short and reuse so much of their art assets. Games like:

Medieval total war2 takes up 9.8gb without the expansions (360 is limited to 6.8gb of space much less then a full dvd, why you people forget this is annoying), then there are games like :

Sacred 2 with high res textures took up over 20gbs, same with Vanguard, Connan and other MMOS. Neverwinter nights 2 on my pc is taking up 9.7gb with another 4gb in the my docs section for down loadable mods and adventures..

MAss Effect on PC == greater than 12gb hd space

Empire total War == 15gb free disk space minimum.

Games are taking more and more space, if you want all your games to remain short or just be boring fps games then so be it.. i prefer Rpgs, Turn Based Strategy, Adventure games, and Action adventure games to strict fpses and all these genres have been taking more space for the games.

Crisis isn't the only game out there, and agian it reuses a lot of its artwork. I play on PC/PS3/PS2/PSP/DS-Lite being a multi-console owner I see how games on both PC and PS3 have gotten held back due to the 360 size limitations.. and it frankly sucks.... Every console/platform should have games take advantage of its resources.. otherwise you get games like Dues EX2 which was made on the xbox1 and ported to pc... it sucked in every way compared to the pc original.

I would of loved if that game was made for pc and used more disk space, optimized pc graphics, and longer story and gameplay. Look at Chinatown wars on DS vs PSP, the psp version takes up more space and has much higher assets, but they could of done much more.. there was plenty of room left on the umd for a real Voiced soundtrack, and extra missions, voice acting etc... it was only 550mb while the city stories gta games were both over a 1.5gb a piece. I am just sick of this "fair" thing devs have been doing.

Thankfully EA is stepping up to the plate on its multiplats.

Midnightshade29

Well from what I can gather from this; you have misunderstood what was said.

Re-read what I said, I was criticising the idea of every Blu-ray game filling the entire capacity of a Blu-ray disk, you responded as if I said we should limit ourselves to DVD capacity. There are legitimate reasons to use more than DVD capacity, but let's go by those legitimate reasons; not PS3 games being bloated because of duplicate data and little compression.

Thats a dumb example..your comparing a game that came out on ps3 around launch.. most launch games on PS3 were limited due to devs not knowing the
hardware... I gave 2 examples of games... Command and Conquer Ultimate edtion and Dante's Inferno the Standard ED on PS3 is actually a collectors ed due to the extra space! 360 doesn't get it at all!

These are multiplats.. Also you have games like Star Ocean 4 International that have multi-language tracks, extras
and more game content....not on the 360... same with the Eternal Sontata port , and I am sure many others. There are many ways besides exclusives devs can take advantage of that extra space.

Midnightshade29

You OBVIOUSLY don't understand the point i wasmaking.

I'm saying that the devs DON'T have to sacrifice something in order to make both versions equal, as you've just helped prove.

This meaning it's NOT the XBOX's fault PS3 multiplas don't have multiple languages.

Why are you lemmings so against having more content on bluray? I thought most of you guys "owned both" or so you say. So whats the problem? Better games on bluray with more features is a win for gamers...unless you are a 360 fanboy and hate anything non microsoft.. then I don't see what the problem is.Midnightshade29

better games on bluray? no, more features? lol no. come back when you can show a game is better on bluray because of bluray and not because of the developer, as well as features? lol just no you dont even have to try there, because there is nothing for you to find.

P.S: and star ocean 4? how long is it going to be released after the original games release? you dont know that bluray made the difference how about what made the difference was the extra dev time? then we have the fact sony holds releases hostage till the developer adds more content.

FACT:GTA4 ran better and looked better on the 360.

FACT:GTA4 ran better and looked better on the 360.

WilliamRLBaker

Ran better? What about frame rate issues? :P

we've also seen 80% of other multiplats look better on the 360...so, what's your point TC?

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

Yes. Because everyone knows how convenient it would be to have 50 bluray games on a hdd. :roll:

Basically you're assuming a "Blu-ray game" would take up the entire capacity of the disk, which most don't.

From what I'm hearing a "Blu-ray game" largely consists of duplicated data and a needless lack of compression. Games like Crysis offer a graphical quality and level size that exceeds these Blu-ray games; and yet it fits happily on a single DVD in its installed form.

More Space > Less Space.

Now if SONY had a faster Blu-Ray drive, devs would be even more pleased.

It won't make much difference this gen, but next gen it will if we don't go down the PC route with full installs. (Which will render Blu-Ray useless)

Also. GTAIV looked and ran better on the 360.

Stats_

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"]

Thats a dumb example..your comparing a game that came out on ps3 around launch.. most launch games on PS3 were limited due to devs not knowing the
hardware... I gave 2 examples of games... Command and Conquer Ultimate edtion and Dante's Inferno the Standard ED on PS3 is actually a collectors ed due to the extra space! 360 doesn't get it at all!

These are multiplats.. Also you have games like Star Ocean 4 International that have multi-language tracks, extras
and more game content....not on the 360... same with the Eternal Sontata port , and I am sure many others. There are many ways besides exclusives devs can take advantage of that extra space.

Stats_

You OBVIOUSLY don't understand the point i wasmaking.

I'm saying that the devs DON'T have to sacrifice something in order to make both versions equal, as you've just helped prove.

This meaning it's NOT the XBOX's fault PS3 multiplas don't have multiple languages.

You OBVIOUSLY don't understand anything about development. Ofcourse developers have to sacrifice. Less space = less or lower quality content. FF13 on 360 will be multiple disks with compressed audio and textures. Your argument that you can install games on 360 doesn't make sense. 360 doesn't even have hard drive in base model, where are you going to install?

until multiplats are better on it then it is an disadvantage

we've seen large games such as DA:O and GtaIV that looks better on the ps3. is it because of bluray's larger storage than the hd-dvd or just a coincidence?

Metroid_Other_M

More Space > Less Space.

Now if SONY had a faster Blu-Ray drive, devs would be even more pleased.

It won't make much difference this gen, but next gen it will if we don't go down the PC route with full installs. (Which will render Blu-Ray useless)

Also. GTAIV looked and ran better on the 360.

Stats_

And also, Dragon's Age is better on PC to begin with. Not to mention that PC also uses DVD's for games. So no, Blu-Ray isn't exactly an advantage.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

FACT:GTA4 ran better and looked better on the 360.

ShadowriverUB

Ran better? What about frame rate issues? :P

Look at this article here.

You OBVIOUSLY don't understand anything about development. Of course developers have to sacrifice. Less space = less or lower quality content. FF13 on 360 will be multiple disks with compressed audio and textures. Your argument that you can install games on 360 doesn't make sense. 360 doesn't even have hard drive in base model, where are you going to install?

fun-da-mental

I gotta laugh at those who say that the PS3 version of FFXIII will automatically be better because of no compression. Just because things are compressed doesn't mean that things are going to be awful to begin with. Plus there's really no difference between compressed & uncompressed. The 360 actually has good compression when it comes to games.

I dont think the 360 needs blu-ray this gen but I think more capacity is needed for the next gen. I will be ticked if I am forced to buy more HDD space next gen(after the initial purchase). Im still managing the 360 on the 20 GB and it can get rough to find space with so much DLC...

Yes. It's a really big advantage for developers.

again 4-9 gigs vs 25-50 gigs