Is the next Xbox Microsofts last chance?

Since the PS3 and 360 are now neck and neck at a point where the PS3 has fuel/exclusives left and the 360 does not, it means this is the second time MS has failed to outdo the Playstation. So is the 720 (If thats what its called) Microsofts last chance?

Since the PS3 and 360 are now neck and neck at a point where the PS3 has fuel/exclusives left and the 360 does not, it means this is the second time MS has failed to outdo the Playstation.

roadkill88

They outdid the PlayStation this gen.. believe it or not, the reason these companies release consoles is to make money.

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Since the PS3 and 360 are now neck and neck at a point where the PS3 has fuel/exclusives left and the 360 does not, it means this is the second time MS has failed to outdo the Playstation.

waltefmoney

They outdid the PlayStation this gen.. believe it or not, the reason these companies release consoles is to make money.

By the time the PS4 is released the PS3 will have outsold the 360. So, another failure.

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[QUOTE="roadkill88"]

Since the PS3 and 360 are now neck and neck at a point where the PS3 has fuel/exclusives left and the 360 does not, it means this is the second time MS has failed to outdo the Playstation.

roadkill88

They outdid the PlayStation this gen.. believe it or not, the reason these companies release consoles is to make money.

By the time the PS4 is released the PS3 will have outsold the 360. So, another failure.

But who made more profit from their console I wonder, just 'cause they sell more, doesn't mean they made more. Also, who cares? MS certainly doesn't, they care more about their money, and they're making that regardless of the consoles, which are just a bit of profit and advertisement for them anyway.

I highly doubt the chief executives are sitting 'round a table saying "WE HAVE TO BEAT SONY THIS GEN" I'm sure it's more like "Second Quarter profits?, excellent."

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[QUOTE="roadkill88"]

Since the PS3 and 360 are now neck and neck at a point where the PS3 has fuel/exclusives left and the 360 does not, it means this is the second time MS has failed to outdo the Playstation.

roadkill88

They outdid the PlayStation this gen.. believe it or not, the reason these companies release consoles is to make money.

By the time the PS4 is released the PS3 will have outsold the 360. So, another failure.

Does that mean it would have generated more profits for Sony than the 360 has for Microsoft? No, it doesn't.

MS outdid Sony thid gen. 360 sold more than Xbox, is the console with the biggest library, most popular online service, more third party support and kinect is more successfull than Move. Next gen anything can happen, who would imagine that the Wii would have the success it has.

Since the PS3 and 360 are now neck and neck at a point where the PS3 has fuel/exclusives left and the 360 does not, it means this is the second time MS has failed to outdo the Playstation. So is the 720 (If thats what its called) Microsofts last chance?

roadkill88

Believe it or not, MS did pretty well this generation. Even if/when they do become 3rd, they'd still have sold over 40 million by the end of this generation. They probably don't care about what place they are and they could be 6th place or whatever in the next gen and keep on making more as long as their next console still sold like hotcakes.

Sour grapes, men. Sour grapes with a healthy dose of denial. By the time the PS4 is released, the PS3 will have outsold the 360. In fact, with Uncharted, Resistance etc, that'll probably happen this year. Its also quite funny that console wars change to 'profit wars' (Even though in the long run, the PS3 will make more profit as well).

Also it seems, Microsoft didn't learn their lesson with tapping out early and rushing out another attempt.

Microsoft's last chance for what exactly?

I'd like to make another point, the 'Cafe' will be a 'next gen' contender. So, an opponent to MS, not an irrelevant toy that doesn't steal exclusives like the Wii. They can't afford a third failure.

Sour grapes, men. Sour grapes with a healthy dose of denial. By the time the PS4 is released, the PS3 will have outsold the 360. In fact, with Uncharted, Resistance etc, that'll probably happen this year. Its also quite funny that console wars change to 'profit wars' (Even though in the long run, the PS3 will make more profit as well).

Also it seems, Microsoft didn't learn their lesson with tapping out early and rushing out another attempt.

I'd like to make another point, the 'Cafe' will be a 'next gen' contender. So, an opponent to MS, not an irrelevant toy that doesn't steal exclusives like the Wii. They can't afford a third failure.

roadkill88

Actually, they can. As long as those failures keep generating money while Sony keeps bleeding money, it's fine.

MS outdid Sony thid gen. 360 sold more than Xbox, is the console with the biggest library, most popular online service, more third party support and kinect is more successfull than Move. Next gen anything can happen, who would imagine that the Wii would have the success it has.

PAL360

Ps3 out doing 360? Huh? When did THIS happen?

Sour grapes, men. Sour grapes with a healthy dose of denial. By the time the PS4 is released, the PS3 will have outsold the 360. In fact, with Uncharted, Resistance etc, that'll probably happen this year. Its also quite funny that console wars change to 'profit wars' (Even though in the long run, the PS3 will make more profit as well).

Also it seems, Microsoft didn't learn their lesson with tapping out early and rushing out another attempt.

roadkill88

[QUOTE="roadkill88"]

Sour grapes, men. Sour grapes with a healthy dose of denial. By the time the PS4 is released, the PS3 will have outsold the 360. In fact, with Uncharted, Resistance etc, that'll probably happen this year. Its also quite funny that console wars change to 'profit wars' (Even though in the long run, the PS3 will make more profit as well).

Also it seems, Microsoft didn't learn their lesson with tapping out early and rushing out another attempt.

ohthemanatee

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="roadkill88"]

Since the PS3 and 360 are now neck and neck at a point where the PS3 has fuel/exclusives left and the 360 does not, it means this is the second time MS has failed to outdo the Playstation.

roadkill88

They outdid the PlayStation this gen.. believe it or not, the reason these companies release consoles is to make money.

By the time the PS4 is released the PS3 will have outsold the 360. So, another failure.

Believe it or not, MS did pretty well this generation. Even if/when they do become 3rd, they'd still have sold over 40 million by the end of this generation. They probably don't care about what place they are and they could be 6th place or whatever in the next gen and keep on making more as long as their next console still sold like hotcakes.

SPYDER0416

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"][QUOTE="roadkill88"]

Sour grapes, men. Sour grapes with a healthy dose of denial. By the time the PS4 is released, the PS3 will have outsold the 360. In fact, with Uncharted, Resistance etc, that'll probably happen this year. Its also quite funny that console wars change to 'profit wars' (Even though in the long run, the PS3 will make more profit as well).

Also it seems, Microsoft didn't learn their lesson with tapping out early and rushing out another attempt.

tormentos

Considering how much market share Xbox has gained since the original Xbox Microsoft have done an AMAZING job. If that trend continues then Xbox will dominate the next generation of consoles (for core gamers at least).

I think the tc really meant to put Sony instead of Microsoft. Xbox Live alone is earning Microsoft HUGE profits. How is PSN doing for Sony these days?

Since the PS3 and 360 are now neck and neck at a point where the PS3 has fuel/exclusives left and the 360 does not, it means this is the second time MS has failed to outdo the Playstation. So is the 720 (If thats what its called) Microsofts last chance?

roadkill88

In the biggest gaming market in the world "North America", the xbox 360 still has an healthy lead over the PS3 of almost 10 million units.

In the biggest gaming market in the world "North America", the xbox 360 still has an healty lead over the PS3 of almost 10 million units.

Recarnator

[QUOTE="roadkill88"]

Since the PS3 and 360 are now neck and neck at a point where the PS3 has fuel/exclusives left and the 360 does not, it means this is the second time MS has failed to outdo the Playstation. So is the 720 (If thats what its called) Microsofts last chance?

slipknot0129

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[QUOTE="roadkill88"]

Since the PS3 and 360 are now neck and neck at a point where the PS3 has fuel/exclusives left and the 360 does not, it means this is the second time MS has failed to outdo the Playstation. So is the 720 (If thats what its called) Microsofts last chance?

BigBoss255

better exclusives is an opinion

and the 360 is still ahead.

for all intents and purposes sony is in last place, anything else is just speculation

I think the tc really meant to put Sony instead of Microsoft. Xbox Live alone is earning Microsoft HUGE profits. How is PSN doing for Sony these days?

daledoback

Last chance for what? I think you've been watching the wrong generation unfold, as MS have increased their marketshare over last gen, increased their profit, created a plethora of third-party support, created an incredibly well known unified online game service and have had a large number of high-rated games released on their console.

[QUOTE="Recarnator"]

In the biggest gaming market in the world "North America", the xbox 360 still has an healty lead over the PS3 of almost 10 million units.

BigBoss255

Look at the games sales, the biggest multiplatform games always sells better on the xbox 360. So far LA Noire, brink and Portal are selling better on the x360, even thought they perform better on the ps3. So it's clearly means A LOT leading in the biggest market in world.

Huge profits that come out of your pockets,the more MS make the more your pocket bleed,they are not making a profit because they are selling a ton,they make a profit because first xbox live cost them pretty much nothing,and they charge you $60 for it,they raise the price of games $10 dollar since 2005 on their console,when it was $50 last gen and the gen before that.tormentos

so did sony

They have micro transaction that are designed to get as much as possible from gamers,this is the gen of the rip off,now content is been strip to sell apart which mean we get less game but at the same time have been paying $10 more per games since 2005,the there is the core 360 fiascotormentos

again the same applies for sony

telling people buy this if you don't have the $100 more for a premium model,but people who did that ended up paying high prices for over priced things,like $100 for a 20GB HDD,amount other high price peripherals like then wireless adapter which was $100 can you believe that $100 something you can get on PC for $15 dollars,not only that something that was out of the box on PS3 and even the outdated hardware wise wii. Celebrating MS high profitability make me feel very bad,because is like celebrating high oil prices,hurray for the oil companies hurray they are profitable.tormentos

again sony did similar things, like selling you a 600 dollar console for no other reason then to shove blu-ray down your throat and then downright removing features from their consoles like backwards compatibility

[QUOTE="BigBoss255"][QUOTE="slipknot0129"]360 aint neck and neck with ps3. 360 has won this gen.

ohthemanatee

better exclusives is an opinion

and the 360 is still ahead.

for all intents and purposes sony is in last place, anything else is just speculation

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[QUOTE="BigBoss255"] PS3 has better exclusives and is only a few million behind in sales. How exactly has MS won?. Nintendo won and 360 will come last.tormentos

better exclusives is an opinion

and the 360 is still ahead.

for all intents and purposes sony is in last place, anything else is just speculation

I agree

[QUOTE="daledoback"]

I think the tc really meant to put Sony instead of Microsoft. Xbox Live alone is earning Microsoft HUGE profits. How is PSN doing for Sony these days?

tormentos

Typical response. First off, my pocket doesn't bleed paying for Xbox Live. If YOURS does then maybe you should consider finding a less expensive hobby. Second, spoken like a politician, you are avoiding the real question here...HOW IS PSN DOING FOR SONY FINANCIALLY?

I find it hilarious you are complaining about Microsoft overcharging when the PS3 launched at $600 and people were told "find a second job" from Sony themselves. But I digress, and again ask, what has PSN done for Sony financially?

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="daledoback"]

I think the tc really meant to put Sony instead of Microsoft. Xbox Live alone is earning Microsoft HUGE profits. How is PSN doing for Sony these days?

daledoback

Typical response. First off, my pocket doesn't bleed paying for Xbox Live. If YOURS does then maybe you should consider finding a less expensive hobby. Second, spoken like a politician, you are avoiding the real question here...HOW IS PSN DOING FOR SONY FINANCIALLY?

I find it hilarious you are complaining about Microsoft overcharging when the PS3 launched at $600 and people were told "find a second job" from Sony themselves. But I digress, and again ask, what has PSN done for Sony financially?

Let me answer that for you, PSN HAS DONE NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING financially for Sony. Oh it has cost them pretty penny though after the hack fiasco.

The OP's logic seems to be based off of ignoring reality. Fail by default.

If only people who post on this forum had any idea what they are talking about. MS blew Sony this gen. MS gained market share (large %) and became very profitable Sony lost market share (large %) and struggled with profitability And you are saying that MS is the one who is on their last straw? Logic isn't your strong suit huh?seabiscuit8686

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[QUOTE="tormentos"] Huge profits that come out of your pockets,the more MS make the more your pocket bleed,they are not making a profit because they are selling a ton,they make a profit because first xbox live cost them pretty much nothing,and they charge you $60 for it,they raise the price of games $10 dollar since 2005 on their console,when it was $50 last gen and the gen before that. They have micro transaction that are designed to get as much as possible from gamers,this is the gen of the rip off,now content is been strip to sell apart which mean we get less game but at the same time have been paying $10 more per games since 2005,the there is the core 360 fiasco,telling people buy this if you don't have the $100 more for a premium model,but people who did that ended up paying high prices for over priced things,like $100 for a 20GB HDD,amount other high price peripherals like then wireless adapter which was $100 can you believe that $100 something you can get on PC for $15 dollars,not only that something that was out of the box on PS3 and even the outdated hardware wise wii. Celebrating MS high profitability make me feel very bad,because is like celebrating high oil prices,hurray for the oil companies hurray they are profitable.Recarnator

Typical response. First off, my pocket doesn't bleed paying for Xbox Live. If YOURS does then maybe you should consider finding a less expensive hobby. Second, spoken like a politician, you are avoiding the real question here...HOW IS PSN DOING FOR SONY FINANCIALLY?

I find it hilarious you are complaining about Microsoft overcharging when the PS3 launched at $600 and people were told "find a second job" from Sony themselves. But I digress, and again ask, what has PSN done for Sony financially?

Let me answer that for you, PSN HAS DONE NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING financially for Sony. Oh it has cost them pretty penny though after the hack fiasco.

And I agree. The whole point of PSN being free was to gain marketshare and it failed. They dumped a crap load of money into it trying to keep up with the features Xbox Live offered, and with massive failed projects such as Home which cows dare not speak of these days it's hard to take what Sony did with PSN seriously. And when Sony finally tried to implement a paid service to rake in profits like Microsoft, it turned out to be a serious joke. And now with all the huge security problems Sony is having I think it's safe to say PSN is a complete failure.

But don't worry PS3 fans, you still don't have to swap discs like Xbox 360 owners.

Edit: I said Move when I meant to say Home.

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[QUOTE="tormentos"] Huge profits that come out of your pockets,the more MS make the more your pocket bleed,they are not making a profit because they are selling a ton,they make a profit because first xbox live cost them pretty much nothing,and they charge you $60 for it,they raise the price of games $10 dollar since 2005 on their console,when it was $50 last gen and the gen before that. They have micro transaction that are designed to get as much as possible from gamers,this is the gen of the rip off,now content is been strip to sell apart which mean we get less game but at the same time have been paying $10 more per games since 2005,the there is the core 360 fiasco,telling people buy this if you don't have the $100 more for a premium model,but people who did that ended up paying high prices for over priced things,like $100 for a 20GB HDD,amount other high price peripherals like then wireless adapter which was $100 can you believe that $100 something you can get on PC for $15 dollars,not only that something that was out of the box on PS3 and even the outdated hardware wise wii. Celebrating MS high profitability make me feel very bad,because is like celebrating high oil prices,hurray for the oil companies hurray they are profitable.Recarnator

Typical response. First off, my pocket doesn't bleed paying for Xbox Live. If YOURS does then maybe you should consider finding a less expensive hobby. Second, spoken like a politician, you are avoiding the real question here...HOW IS PSN DOING FOR SONY FINANCIALLY?

I find it hilarious you are complaining about Microsoft overcharging when the PS3 launched at $600 and people were told "find a second job" from Sony themselves. But I digress, and again ask, what has PSN done for Sony financially?

Let me answer that for you, PSN HAS DONE NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING financially for Sony. Oh it has cost them pretty penny though after the hack fiasco.

Imo that point only favors the sony side. I don't care how much money the companies are bringing in. What I care about is the product I buy. You buy a PS3 for $300 and that's it. You buy an xbox for $300 and there's a monthly fee that is more or less REQUIRED, considering the bulk of games these days require online multiplayer. It isn't about money, either--$60/year is not that much. It is the principle that bothers me. I see MS losing major marketshare next gen, in the same way Sony did after the ps2.

I wasn't a fan of the ps2--I owned one, but I remember seeing shelf upon shelf of crappy games. It's like they dropped the quality standard. Then they thought they could pull off releasing a $600 console, going off of the success of the ps2. It's only within the last year or so that they are catching up.

Sour grapes, men. Sour grapes with a healthy dose of denial. By the time the PS4 is released, the PS3 will have outsold the 360. In fact, with Uncharted, Resistance etc, that'll probably happen this year. Its also quite funny that console wars change to 'profit wars' (Even though in the long run, the PS3 will make more profit as well).

Also it seems, Microsoft didn't learn their lesson with tapping out early and rushing out another attempt.

MS is making a huge profit off of their gaming division now. If anything this gen was "MS's last chance" seeing as how the original xbox didn't do so well. I expect next gen to see the same results as long as MS keeps doing what their doing now.

yeah well, but you know how the ps3 mentality works around here: it's always "the ps3 has better exclusives" . First party exclusives people. That's all to it. Sony is not winning anything.

yeah well, but you know how the ps3 mentality works around here: it's always "the ps3 has better exclusives" . First party exclusives people. That's all to it. Sony is not winning anything.

omenodebander

[QUOTE="BigBoss255"][QUOTE="slipknot0129"]360 aint neck and neck with ps3. 360 has won this gen.

ohthemanatee

better exclusives is an opinion

and the 360 is still ahead.

for all intents and purposes sony is in last place, anything else is just speculation

On paper (the spreadsheet) PS3 is ahead, yea it will come down to preferences though. Anyway I wasn't saying PS3 is first, just pointing out that 360 isn't. Which I'm sure you'll agree.

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[QUOTE="BigBoss255"] PS3 has better exclusives and is only a few million behind in sales. How exactly has MS won?. Nintendo won and 360 will come last.BigBoss255

better exclusives is an opinion

and the 360 is still ahead.

for all intents and purposes sony is in last place, anything else is just speculation

what does the speadsheet have to do with "better" exclusives? it's still opinion.