Is the PC becomming a 2nd rate games system for some game companies?

Despite it's undeniable hardware superiority, do you think the PC is becomming more of a "2nd rate" gaming platform that mostly lives from better graphics, modding and niche titles?

It certainly seems that way to me as the game market shift is going in the console direction.

I mean many PC games don't even get reviewed, there's barely any game demos, some multi-plat games come out months after the console version, the games get released in glitchy states, ect.

Is it possible that when the next-gen consoles arrive we could be seeing former PC-centric devs making console-only releases? (Crysis 3 anyone?)

Discuss :D

Of course it's a second rate system for some companies, just like consoles are for others.

The shift is to multiplatform development, rather than console-only development. Here's a good post:

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Most of the big PC companies go to consoles tho. The likes of Bungie, id, Valve, Epic, Bioware, Bethesda, Obsidian all make console games now. Civilisation made the leap to consoles (poorly, but better then Civ 5 imo) The new Stalker and Witcher games are going to consoles. Minecraft is going to consoles. I really hope Diablo 3 will as well. Do you think all these, the biggest and arguably best PC devs out there are wrong?RyuRanVII

What about console franchises such as Assassin's Creed, Ridge Racer, Mass Effect, Ridge Racer, Metal Gear, Burnout, Bad Company, Devil May Cry, Braid, Street Fighter, Sonic, Blazblue, LA Noire, Limbo, Phantasy Star and dozens of others being released on PC?

Companies aren't going to consoles. They're going multiplatform.

The PC has always been a 3rd rate system lol, when consoles first hit the market pcs became obsolete other than for work, pcs arent a gaming system they were never intended for that. Consoles ARE tho.Scumty

Mhmmm. Not being intended as a gaming system does not stop something from becoming a gaming system.

By that logic, consoles were solely designed as gaming devices. They cannot become multimedia devices. Oh, but wait, they did, dumbass.

[QUOTE="Scumty"]The PC has always been a 3rd rate system lol, when consoles first hit the market pcs became obsolete other than for work, pcs arent a gaming system they were never intended for that. Consoles ARE tho.lundy86_4

Mhmmm. Not being intended as a gaming system does not stop something from becoming a gaming system.

By that logic, consoles were solely designed as gaming devices. They cannot become multimedia devices. Oh, but wait, they did, dumbass.

The PC has always been a 3rd rate system lol, when consoles first hit the market pcs became obsolete other than for work, pcs arent a gaming system they were never intended for that. Consoles ARE tho.Scumty

So a PC equipped with an i5 2500K, GTX 570, and 8GB RAM was never intended for gaming purposes, just work purposes?:roll:

The thing is consoles were designed to be multimedia devices from the time they were designed, so your wrong. PC's were designed for offices, gaming was later added due to direct x.Scumty

Erm, how exactly?

Original consoles only played games.

The thing is consoles were designed to be multimedia devices from the time they were designed, so your wrong. PC's were designed for offices, gaming was later added due to direct x.Scumty

How old are you anyway? PC gaming has been around looong before there was a Direct X.

Many of the big developers that were PC first in the past are now console first. There are still plenty of PC first developers but I would argue the golden era of PC gaming was in the mid-90s to early 2000s.

[QUOTE="Scumty"]The PC has always been a 3rd rate system lol, when consoles first hit the market pcs became obsolete other than for work, pcs arent a gaming system they were never intended for that. Consoles ARE tho.DJP3000

So a PC equipped with an i5 2500K, GTX 570, and 8GB RAM was never intended for gaming purposes, just work purposes?:roll:

And yes the ps1 could play cd's, so technically sony intended for it to be a major multimedia device, and they really got it going when the ps2 came out when it had a dvd player.Scumty

The PS1 was not the first console. It was also, the first to introduce a multimedia functionality, thus, consoles were not multimedia before it.

[QUOTE="DJP3000"]

[QUOTE="Scumty"]The PC has always been a 3rd rate system lol, when consoles first hit the market pcs became obsolete other than for work, pcs arent a gaming system they were never intended for that. Consoles ARE tho.Scumty

So a PC equipped with an i5 2500K, GTX 570, and 8GB RAM was never intended for gaming purposes, just work purposes?:roll:

Well, if you aren't a PC gamer then there is no reason to own a powerful graphics card like a GTX 570 or a powerful quad core CPU like the i5 2500k.

Scrunty is a complete idiot. Whole companies like Nvidia exist largely due to the PC gaming market. Consoles these days are simply gimped PC's with crap specs. There is nothing special about them. A PC is an all purpose machine. It can be used to work and to game. Who said it can only be used for work? Nvidia certainly wouldn't be nearly as big as it is now if that were true.

[QUOTE="Scumty"] And yes the ps1 could play cd's, so technically sony intended for it to be a major multimedia device, and they really got it going when the ps2 came out when it had a dvd player.lundy86_4

The PS1 was not the first console. It was also, the first to introduce a multimedia functionality, thus, consoles were not multimedia before it.

[QUOTE="Scumty"][QUOTE="DJP3000"]

So a PC equipped with an i5 2500K, GTX 570, and 8GB RAM was never intended for gaming purposes, just work purposes?:roll:

DJP3000

Well, if you aren't a PC gamer then there is no reason to own a powerful graphics card like a GTX 570 or a powerful quad core CPU like the i5 2500k.

[QUOTE="DJP3000"]

[QUOTE="Scumty"]The PC has always been a 3rd rate system lol, when consoles first hit the market pcs became obsolete other than for work, pcs arent a gaming system they were never intended for that. Consoles ARE tho.Scumty

So a PC equipped with an i5 2500K, GTX 570, and 8GB RAM was never intended for gaming purposes, just work purposes?:roll:

Just like PC's. Except that PC's are obsolete when it comes to gaming. PC's introduced gaming late in the stage.Scumty

Well, there you said it "Just like PC's". PC games originated in the early 1960's. The first video game console was released in the early 1970's.

I think it's suffice to say... F***ing lol.

Scrunty is a complete idiot. Whole companies like Nvidia exist largely due to the PC gaming market. Consoles these days are simply gimped PC's with crap specs. There is nothing special about them. A PC is an all purpose machine. It can be used to work and to game. Who said it can only be used for work? Nvidia certainly wouldn't be nearly as big as it is now if that were true.

argetlam00

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Scrunty is a complete idiot. Whole companies like Nvidia exist largely due to the PC gaming market. Consoles these days are simply gimped PC's with crap specs. There is nothing special about them. A PC is an all purpose machine. It can be used to work and to game. Who said it can only be used for work? Nvidia certainly wouldn't be nearly as big as it is now if that were true.

Scumty

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-14/nvidia-shares-rise-as-graphics-chip-demand-lifts-revenue.html

Tada!

This isn't something new, a few companies have jumped the PC ship years ago and it was common in SW to use the term to the Hermits "all your devs belong to us", then Hermits QQed and did the whole entire "you get the less superior ports ect ect".

Blizzard is probably one of the few PC only devs atm (no I don't count the first Diablo port to the PS1 counting)

This isn't something new, a few companies have jumped the PC ship years ago and it was common in SW to use the term to the Hermits "all your devs belong to us", then Hermits QQed and did the whole entire "you get the less superior ports ect ect".

Blizzard is probably one of the few PC only devs atm (no I don't count the first Diablo port to the PS1 counting)

Ballroompirate

This isn't something new, a few companies have jumped the PC ship years ago and it was common in SW to use the term to the Hermits "all your devs belong to us", then Hermits QQed and did the whole entire "you get the less superior ports ect ect".

Blizzard is probably one of the few PC only devs atm (no I don't count the first Diablo port to the PS1 counting)

Ballroompirate

[QUOTE="Scumty"] Just like PC's. Except that PC's are obsolete when it comes to gaming. PC's introduced gaming late in the stage.lundy86_4

Well, there you said it "Just like PC's". PC games originated in the early 1960's. The first video game console was released in the early 1970's.

I think it's suffice to say... F***ing lol.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Scumty"] Just like PC's. Except that PC's are obsolete when it comes to gaming. PC's introduced gaming late in the stage.Scumty

Well, there you said it "Just like PC's". PC games originated in the early 1960's. The first video game console was released in the early 1970's.

I think it's suffice to say... F***ing lol.

well pc's post ps1 era are now obsolete. pcs may have been the reigning champs of gaming but now theyre washed up pcs dont have block buster titles like consoles do, they only have games that appeal to a small group of players, people who are into mmos and strategy rpg games. when the ps1 hit the market thats when the pc became a 3rd rate system, face it, its over.Scumty

I think you mean "pre". In which case, consoles pre-PS2/Xbox era are obsolete.

PC's have more exclusives, and on this site, more exclusives than each individual console and more high-rated (8.0) exclusives than all consoles combined.

"small group of players"? MMO's such as WoW play host to over 11 million active players :lol:. You're not doing too good with your ever changing argument here. It's actually frickin' hilarious :lol:

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

This isn't something new, a few companies have jumped the PC ship years ago and it was common in SW to use the term to the Hermits "all your devs belong to us", then Hermits QQed and did the whole entire "you get the less superior ports ect ect".

Blizzard is probably one of the few PC only devs atm (no I don't count the first Diablo port to the PS1 counting)

lawlessx

None Recently

Two come to mind and That's Bioware and Bethesda, theres a few more that made PC exclusives then went to consoles as well as PC. Some guy a year or two ago had a sig with all the Devs that started off as PC only then "jumping ship" and going the console route as well.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

This isn't something new, a few companies have jumped the PC ship years ago and it was common in SW to use the term to the Hermits "all your devs belong to us", then Hermits QQed and did the whole entire "you get the less superior ports ect ect".

Blizzard is probably one of the few PC only devs atm (no I don't count the first Diablo port to the PS1 counting)

Ballroompirate

None Recently

Two come to mind and That's Bioware and Bethesda, theres a few more that made PC exclusives then went to consoles as well as PC. Some guy a year or two ago had a sig with all the Devs that started off as PC only then "jumping ship" and going the console route as well.

Skyrim is also on PC, and is undoubtedly the best version, and Bethesda is supporting it with mod tools. Got anything else?

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

This isn't something new, a few companies have jumped the PC ship years ago and it was common in SW to use the term to the Hermits "all your devs belong to us", then Hermits QQed and did the whole entire "you get the less superior ports ect ect".

Blizzard is probably one of the few PC only devs atm (no I don't count the first Diablo port to the PS1 counting)

lawlessx

Also I'm disappointed in you guys for letting scumty troll you this hard when it should be so obvious.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

This isn't something new, a few companies have jumped the PC ship years ago and it was common in SW to use the term to the Hermits "all your devs belong to us", then Hermits QQed and did the whole entire "you get the less superior ports ect ect".

Blizzard is probably one of the few PC only devs atm (no I don't count the first Diablo port to the PS1 counting)

Ballroompirate

None Recently

Two come to mind and That's Bioware and Bethesda, theres a few more that made PC exclusives then went to consoles as well as PC. Some guy a year or two ago had a sig with all the Devs that started off as PC only then "jumping ship" and going the console route as well.

[QUOTE="Scumty"] well pc's post ps1 era are now obsolete. pcs may have been the reigning champs of gaming but now theyre washed up pcs dont have block buster titles like consoles do, they only have games that appeal to a small group of players, people who are into mmos and strategy rpg games. when the ps1 hit the market thats when the pc became a 3rd rate system, face it, its over.lundy86_4

I think you mean "pre". In which case, consoles pre-PS2/Xbox era are obsolete.

PC's have more exclusives, and on this site, more exclusives than each individual console and more high-rated (8.0) exclusives than all consoles combined.

"small group of players"? MMO's such as WoW play host to over 11 million active players :lol:. You're not doing too good with your ever changing argument here. It's actually frickin' hilarious :lol:

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

This isn't something new, a few companies have jumped the PC ship years ago and it was common in SW to use the term to the Hermits "all your devs belong to us", then Hermits QQed and did the whole entire "you get the less superior ports ect ect".

Blizzard is probably one of the few PC only devs atm (no I don't count the first Diablo port to the PS1 counting)

Ballroompirate

None Recently

Two come to mind and That's Bioware and Bethesda, theres a few more that made PC exclusives then went to consoles as well as PC. Some guy a year or two ago had a sig with all the Devs that started off as PC only then "jumping ship" and going the console route as well.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Scumty"] well pc's post ps1 era are now obsolete. pcs may have been the reigning champs of gaming but now theyre washed up pcs dont have block buster titles like consoles do, they only have games that appeal to a small group of players, people who are into mmos and strategy rpg games. when the ps1 hit the market thats when the pc became a 3rd rate system, face it, its over.Scumty

I think you mean "pre". In which case, consoles pre-PS2/Xbox era are obsolete.

PC's have more exclusives, and on this site, more exclusives than each individual console and more high-rated (8.0) exclusives than all consoles combined.

"small group of players"? MMO's such as WoW play host to over 11 million active players :lol:. You're not doing too good with your ever changing argument here. It's actually frickin' hilarious :lol:

oh god..this is just too much :lol:

Companies just don't like PC gamers because they aren't as easy to manipulate than the console crowd

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] Name some PC developers that jumped shipGeneralShowzer

None Recently

Two come to mind and That's Bioware and Bethesda, theres a few more that made PC exclusives then went to consoles as well as PC. Some guy a year or two ago had a sig with all the Devs that started off as PC only then "jumping ship" and going the console route as well.

Skyrim is also on PC, and is undoubtedly the best version, and Bethesda is supporting it with mod tools. Got anything else?

Sigh

Bioware and Bethesda started off as PC only devs then they "jumped ship" sort of speak and developed for consoles as well (which got Hermits angry for awhile), Epic was one and I believe there was a few others that were PC only, then they developed for consoles as well.

CD Projekt just came to mind since they are porting The Witcher 2 to 360 and Crytek

A better way to put it is many PC first developers in the past not longer are. Just off the top of my head...Bioware, Bethesda, Lucasarts had a fantastic PC first development team, Treyarch was PC first before being acquired, ditto with Infinity Ward, Black Isle was PC first and after they shut down most of the employees founded Obsidian and those developers are no longer PC first, Bungie was MAC/PC first until being acquired, ID software, Epic, Red Storm until acquired by Ubisoft, Lionhead until being acquired, DICE, and even Valve is no longer PC first.

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more. Like I said earlier the golden era of PC gaming already happened.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

This isn't something new, a few companies have jumped the PC ship years ago and it was common in SW to use the term to the Hermits "all your devs belong to us", then Hermits QQed and did the whole entire "you get the less superior ports ect ect".

Blizzard is probably one of the few PC only devs atm (no I don't count the first Diablo port to the PS1 counting)

Kiro0

Also I'm disappointed in you guys for letting scumty troll you this hard when it should be so obvious.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Scumty"] well pc's post ps1 era are now obsolete. pcs may have been the reigning champs of gaming but now theyre washed up pcs dont have block buster titles like consoles do, they only have games that appeal to a small group of players, people who are into mmos and strategy rpg games. when the ps1 hit the market thats when the pc became a 3rd rate system, face it, its over.Scumty

I think you mean "pre". In which case, consoles pre-PS2/Xbox era are obsolete.

PC's have more exclusives, and on this site, more exclusives than each individual console and more high-rated (8.0) exclusives than all consoles combined.

"small group of players"? MMO's such as WoW play host to over 11 million active players :lol:. You're not doing too good with your ever changing argument here. It's actually frickin' hilarious :lol:

Wtf?

lol if all these pc exclusives are all "high rate" 8's and all then where are the people playing it? why is it only people like you and other pc hardcore fans that play these games, lol let me tell you something, because its only you people that find these terrible games good, wow is a terrible game, mw3 sold 11 million + and counting on day 1 on consoles! theres more AAA titles on ps3 then there has ever been on PC :lol: MGS4, the game that saved sony god of war and many others that actually do get decent sales warranting for new titles, these so called "high rated" games on pc baley move weightScumty

Ok, a number of issues:

1. Who says people aren't playing these games? You made the assertion, so prove it.
2. If they are high-rated, how are they terrible? Probably because you have no other argument, so you come up with the stupidest one imaginable.
3. "on consoles!" It was released on PC also. Furthermore, I specified MMO, and it's exclusive to the PC. MW3 is multiplat across the PC/PS3/360. Provide evidence it was the console versions alone that amounted to 11m+.
4. No, there isn't more AAA titles on PS3 alone than ever on the PC. Unless you would like to clarify how you objectify a game as AAA.
5. Games like Starcraft II sold 1.5 million in the first 48 hours.

I'm done with your ridiculous points. Seriously, get a f***ing clue and then come back. I don't like debating with individuals who can barely type, let alone put forth a coherent argument.

[QUOTE="Kiro0"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] Name some PC developers that jumped shipGeneralShowzer

Also I'm disappointed in you guys for letting scumty troll you this hard when it should be so obvious.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Kiro0"]If you mean moved from only PC to only console then only Epic comes to mind. Granted they didn't entirely do it but still. Good news is they seem to be moving back. However a lot of devs now do design for consoles first, which results in rather crappy ports more often than not as any PC gamer probably knows.

Also I'm disappointed in you guys for letting scumty troll you this hard when it should be so obvious.

Kiro0

Companies just don't like PC gamers because they aren't as easy to manipulate than the console crowd

BPoole96

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Companies just don't like PC gamers because they aren't as easy to manipulate than the console crowd

wis3boi

Pirating is frowned upon by Coporations :)

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Companies just don't like PC gamers because they aren't as easy to manipulate than the console crowd

Ballroompirate

Pirating is frowned upon by Coporations :)

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

None Recently

Two come to mind and That's Bioware and Bethesda, theres a few more that made PC exclusives then went to consoles as well as PC. Some guy a year or two ago had a sig with all the Devs that started off as PC only then "jumping ship" and going the console route as well.

Ballroompirate

Skyrim is also on PC, and is undoubtedly the best version, and Bethesda is supporting it with mod tools. Got anything else?

Sigh

Bioware and Bethesda started off as PC only devs then they "jumped ship" sort of speak and developed for consoles as well (which got Hermits angry for awhile), Epic was one and I believe there was a few others that were PC only, then they developed for consoles as well.

CD Projekt just came to mind since they are porting The Witcher 2 to 360 and Crytek

You said jumped ship, how would I know what your hidden meaning is.

These companies are releasing PC games, damn good ones at that.

If that's the case many console developers jumped ship as well...

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"] Yep, brains are frowned upon by corporations :)Arach666

Pirating is frowned upon by Coporations :)

And so are happy faces :(

Companies just don't like PC gamers because they aren't as easy to manipulate than the console crowd

BPoole96

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"] Yep, brains are frowned upon by corporations :)Arach666

Pirating is frowned upon by Coporations :)

Not as much as Pirating ;)

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Companies just don't like PC gamers because they aren't as easy to manipulate than the console crowd

lowe0

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

Pirating is frowned upon by Coporations :)

Ballroompirate

Not as much as Pirating ;)