Is the PC becomming a 2nd rate games system for some game companies?

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#51 Ballroompirate
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[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] And so is the used games market. :)Arach666

Not as much as Pirating ;)

Not according to Lionhead. ;)

Who is Lionhead again?

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#52 BPoole96
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Companies just don't like PC gamers because they aren't as easy to manipulate than the console crowd

lowe0

Bull****. You'd have thought DICE was giving out free handys up until the beta came out, and all it took was some sweet talk about the PC being the lead platform. Manipulation works regardless of what platform one games on.

PC was the lead platform throughout most of the development process. Hence why the game looks/performs so much better than the console version plus has over double the player count

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#53 BPoole96
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[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

Not as much as Pirating ;)

Ballroompirate

Not according to Lionhead. ;)

Who is Lionhead again?

Peter Molyneux and the rest of the bunch that makes the Fable games

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#54 Arach666
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[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

Not as much as Pirating ;)

Ballroompirate

Not according to Lionhead. ;)

Who is Lionhead again?

The fellas that did the Fable games and they are basically a 360 oriented dev.
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#55 Ballroompirate
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[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] Not according to Lionhead. ;)BPoole96

Who is Lionhead again?

Peter Molyneux and the rest of the bunch that makes the Fable games

Oh the guy who over hypes his games by telling people he's gonna put such and such in the game and never does, yeah I like that guy...not

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#56 lowe0
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Companies just don't like PC gamers because they aren't as easy to manipulate than the console crowd

BPoole96

Bull****. You'd have thought DICE was giving out free handys up until the beta came out, and all it took was some sweet talk about the PC being the lead platform. Manipulation works regardless of what platform one games on.

PC was the lead platform throughout most of the development process. Hence why the game looks/performs so much better than the console version plus has over double the player count

I'm well aware of that. I'm commenting on the effect it had on PC fans. Even after the cries of abandonment during the Bad Company days and the cancellation of 1943, you'd have thought that DICE were the second coming of Christ, right up until the beta came out, at which point the howling began anew. It's idiotic to pretend that one group is somehow immune to this sort of ego-stroking.
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#57 Arach666
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

Who is Lionhead again?

Ballroompirate

Peter Molyneux and the rest of the bunch that makes the Fable games

Oh the guy who over hypes his games by telling people he's gonna put such and such in the game and never does, yeah I like that guy...not

It wasn´t even Peter that said that.

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#58 deadesa
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Oh the guy who over hypes his games by telling people he's gonna put such and such in the game and never does, yeah I like that guy...not

Ballroompirate

Whether you care for the guy or not, he did have a point. There is a reason devs are rolling out game pass type systems for online play, they are losing money.

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#59 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]Oh the guy who over hypes his games by telling people he's gonna put such and such in the game and never does, yeah I like that guy...not

deadesa

Whether you care for the guy or not, he did have a point. There is a reason devs are rolling out game pass type systems for online play, they are losing money.

They were **** because Fable 3 didn't sell well and didn't turn out that great. So one guy at Lionhead tried to take it out on piracy. It was a stupid comment out of frustration.

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#60 BPoole96
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Bull****. You'd have thought DICE was giving out free handys up until the beta came out, and all it took was some sweet talk about the PC being the lead platform. Manipulation works regardless of what platform one games on.lowe0

PC was the lead platform throughout most of the development process. Hence why the game looks/performs so much better than the console version plus has over double the player count

I'm well aware of that. I'm commenting on the effect it had on PC fans. Even after the cries of abandonment during the Bad Company days and the cancellation of 1943, you'd have thought that DICE were the second coming of Christ, right up until the beta came out, at which point the howling began anew. It's idiotic to pretend that one group is somehow immune to this sort of ego-stroking.

I'm not saying that they're immune to it, but I don't think a paid service like XBL would go over too well with PC gamers. They would simply find a different service to use. However, if Sony wanted to implement such a system, PS3 gamers really wouldn't have much of a choice and would pay the fee

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#61 GeneralShowzer
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Bull****. You'd have thought DICE was giving out free handys up until the beta came out, and all it took was some sweet talk about the PC being the lead platform. Manipulation works regardless of what platform one games on.lowe0

PC was the lead platform throughout most of the development process. Hence why the game looks/performs so much better than the console version plus has over double the player count

I'm well aware of that. I'm commenting on the effect it had on PC fans. Even after the cries of abandonment during the Bad Company days and the cancellation of 1943, you'd have thought that DICE were the second coming of Christ, right up until the beta came out, at which point the howling began anew. It's idiotic to pretend that one group is somehow immune to this sort of ego-stroking.

You're basing this on what, a few posts from a few posters on SW? Can you prove that it was the same people that bashed dice, praised them then bashed them again? Can you prove that they are the mindset of PC gamers as a group.
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#62 Ballroompirate
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[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]Oh the guy who over hypes his games by telling people he's gonna put such and such in the game and never does, yeah I like that guy...not

deadesa

Whether you care for the guy or not, he did have a point. There is a reason devs are rolling out game pass type systems for online play, they are losing money.

They are losing money to some extent, it always comes down to Wanting more money.

Every dev/publisher wants the CoD treatment and make those games sell millions, if they can't sell millions they charge for DLC specially the DLC that only changes costumes,skins ect ect (Geow 3 and Saints Row 3 come to mind doing this).

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#63 Ballroompirate
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[QUOTE="deadesa"]

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]Oh the guy who over hypes his games by telling people he's gonna put such and such in the game and never does, yeah I like that guy...not

KC_Hokie

Whether you care for the guy or not, he did have a point. There is a reason devs are rolling out game pass type systems for online play, they are losing money.

They were **** because Fable 3 didn't sell well and didn't turn out that great. So one guy at Lionhead tried to take it out on piracy. It was a stupid comment out of frustration.

Pretty much what KC said, Fable keeps on getting worse and Peter keeps doing what he does and thats over hyping his own game

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#64 dontshackzmii
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does not have many exclusives i care about but it helps many small devs.

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#65 aroxx_ab
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Make sense, with this high piracy and console is where the money is so yah

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#66 deactivated-5df236af85f29
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Make sense, with this high piracy and console is where the money is so yah

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JOKE post is JOKE

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#67 deactivated-5df236af85f29
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The PC has always been a 3rd rate system lol, when consoles first hit the market pcs became obsolete other than for work, pcs arent a gaming system they were never intended for that. Consoles ARE tho.Scumty
THIS post deserves name calling.terrible post,SCUMty.come on,you can do better than that

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#68 wis3boi
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Make sense, with this high piracy and console is where the money is so yah

aroxx_ab
:lol: :lol: :lol: good one
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#69 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="Scumty"][QUOTE="DJP3000"]

So a PC equipped with an i5 2500K, GTX 570, and 8GB RAM was never intended for gaming purposes, just work purposes?:roll:

Ravensmash

Well those parts were never meant for gamers since the pc originally was a work horse same with the mac. Its only recently that pcs were gaming machines when direct x was added. And yes the ps1 could play cd's, so technically sony intended for it to be a major multimedia device, and they really got it going when the ps2 came out when it had a dvd player.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Either this guy is a troll, or he's the dumbest consolite I've ever seen.

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The PC has always been a 3rd rate system lol, when consoles first hit the market pcs became obsolete other than for work, pcs arent a gaming system they were never intended for that. Consoles ARE tho.Scumty
Sega Edge and Taito Type X2 are arcade game machines and it's based on Wintel PC.
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#71 lowe0
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

PC was the lead platform throughout most of the development process. Hence why the game looks/performs so much better than the console version plus has over double the player count

GeneralShowzer

I'm well aware of that. I'm commenting on the effect it had on PC fans. Even after the cries of abandonment during the Bad Company days and the cancellation of 1943, you'd have thought that DICE were the second coming of Christ, right up until the beta came out, at which point the howling began anew. It's idiotic to pretend that one group is somehow immune to this sort of ego-stroking.

You're basing this on what, a few posts from a few posters on SW? Can you prove that it was the same people that bashed dice, praised them then bashed them again? Can you prove that they are the mindset of PC gamers as a group.

I'm basing it on reading the official forums over the course of development (you should have seen when they announced no-commander; one of the devs wandered in there to try to discuss the matter reasonably and was promptly torn a new one) as well as article comments over at Blue's.

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#72 simomate
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The PC has always been a 3rd rate system lol, when consoles first hit the market pcs became obsolete other than for work, pcs arent a gaming system they were never intended for that. Consoles ARE tho.Scumty
What you on about fool? Back in the day there were a crap load of PC exclusives. All of blizzards game, and they are famous for making amazing games, warcraft, starcraft, WoW, Diablo etc were all made for PC. The Sims was originally made for the PC, and the console ports are extremly waterdowned compared to the FULL PC game. Sure, they weren't originally intended for that, but theres a big difference bettween say... a work computer and a gaming computer. Gaming computers are specifically made for PC Gaming, infact INTENDED for that.

Edit: Oh and it wasn't only recently games started being made for PC, look at all the MS-DOS games there are (an old computer OS) Arena is a big example, it was released in 1994, the year before I was born. Thats not very recent is it? Well speaking in gaming sense, since video games havent been around long, it isnt recent.

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#73 RyuRanVII
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Ghost Recon is now console exclusive, your powerful graphics card are useless if theres no games to play. When was the last true pc game to come out for the system? Its already been posted that bf3 was a console title, Whats the point in owning all of that if its going to waste?Scumty

Both Anno 2070 and Serious Sam 3 were released a week ago. Aren't those true PC games? And Phantasy Star is PC exclusive now. :lol:

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#74 KungfuKitten
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Maybe to some game companies, but not to gamers.

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Despite it's undeniable hardware superiority, do you think the PC is becomming more of a "2nd rate" gaming platform that mostly lives from better graphics, modding and niche titles?

It certainly seems that way to me as the game market shift is going in the console direction.

I mean many PC games don't even get reviewed, there's barely any game demos, some multi-plat games come out months after the console version, the games get released in glitchy states, ect.

Is it possible that when the next-gen consoles arrive we could be seeing former PC-centric devs making console-only releases? (Crysis 3 anyone?)

Discuss :D

nameless12345

What about multiplats that come years later to consoles?

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#76 AdrianWerner
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the PC becomming a 2nd rate games system for some game companies?nameless12345

I think it's hard to answer. What we're seeing is this:

-previously PC-centric companies going multiplat. Some then treat PC as 2nd rate system, while some treat consoles like second rate system

-previously console-centric companies are increasing their PC support

-there's a rise in PC-only devs who treat their customers very nicely in an effort togain support and fan devotion byleveraging the way PC gamers are often treated.

Is it possible that when the next-gen consoles arrive we could be seeing former PC-centric devs making console-only releases? (Crysis 3 anyone?)

nameless12345

Doubtful. Come next gen console games will cost so much to make and advertise it will be incredibly hard to make profit. Publishers will in most cases need every single copy they can sell.

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#77 AdrianWerner
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. Like I said earlier the golden era of PC gaming already happened.

KC_Hokie

Not from where I'm standing. I guess it depends on how old you are. If you grew up with pc gaming in 80s and early 90s you can see modern times as return to golden era after the terrible 2000-2004 years. If however you grow up in those 2000-2004 I can see how one might consider today to be pretty damn bad.

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#78 AdrianWerner
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Ghost Recon is now console exclusive, your powerful graphics card are useless if theres no games to play.Scumty

Good thing then we're getting PC exclusive Ghost Recon Online

When was the last true pc game to come out for the system?Scumty

Anno 2070. True PC game in every meaning of the word.

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#79 milannoir
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The PC has always been a 3rd rate system lol, when consoles first hit the market pcs became obsolete other than for work, pcs arent a gaming system they were never intended for that. Consoles ARE tho.Scumty

Then it must be humiliating for ignorant consolites like you to have PCs be better at gaming than consoles, and have more and better games :D Hey look, I can make silly arrogant statements too (except there's actually lots of truth in my post :P )

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They know that the majority of console gamers are gullible kids who will spend pocket money they get every weekend for doing the dishes for their parents on unnecesary gaming subscriptions so that they can be force fed adds, or leave content out of the full game in order to sell it to them later as payed DLC. This method of milking makes the $50 game they baught turn into and $80~ game.

PC gamers are playing their games on an open system that cant be easily monopolised and gamers on the PC cant be forced into paying subscriptions to host and play games using the bandwidth they already pay their ISP for ( as Microsoft found out when they tried getting PC gamers to pay for GFWL ). We wont have payed DLC rammed down our throats because we can and always have made our own DLC for free, ( AKA mods ) which is why companies are releasing mod tools later or not at all in an attempt to get us to buy their crappy $15 map packs or horse armor. Their efforts fail here too ( See GTAIV mods for example ).

This is why a few PC versions of multi-platform games are left out or end up getting delayed. Its also why when Microsoft bought Alan Wake it went from being a PC exclusive to PC/360 to 360 exclusive after the butt-hurt surrounding the Vista floppage and the failed GFWL effort. Companies want you to buy a console for those multi-platform games, they want to monopolise you, and they have more than succeeded on consoles, they aren't interested in pleasing fans, they just want your money and if you let them, they will milk you any way they can - like they do with the console gamers.

PC gamers will support the companies that support the PC gamers, and they will buy a game if they think the game is worth their money. Weather its video games or clothes for fat people, If companies continue to disrespect the people that buy their products then the buyers will stop buying from them. Lets not forget too that in order for games to sell well on consoles there has to be huge, EXPENSIVE marketing and add campaigns which make the whole thing a huge gamble for smaller dev studios as Black Rock discovered with Split Second AND Pure, as Khaos Studios found out with Homefront and Even EPIC and People can Fly found out with Bulletstorm.

If it isnt COD, Gears, Halo, Uncharted ect people arent that interested and soon those franchises will wear off, the kids will move onto something else leaving the developers to go off and "re-imagine" or "remaster" those games like Splinter Cell, Tomb Raider, Need4Speed ect and then spend loads of money on marketing and HYPE in an attempt to get you interested in buying them again. What happens if they fail? I suppose you could ask console centric developers like Krome Studios, Khaos Studios, Black Rock, LuxoFlux, Propoganda Games, 7 Studios, Visceral Studios in Melbourne, Digital Warrington, Blue Tongue entertainment, Team Bondi, Budcat Creations or Bizzare Creations if they where still around.

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Nameless not posting again in his own topic. Scumty, a lvl 1, keeping the thread going by trolling...

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#82 WarTornRuston
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Yep. There are a few develpoers who still care like Valve but it benfits them by talking about how great it is because of Steam. If Valve did not have Steam, Gabe would put down the cheeseburger and talk about how they make very little profit catering to the PC audience.

PC will never go away because it is too easy for most devs to put a game on the PC. They just have to hope and pray a few honest gamers will buy it.

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#83 Blueresident87
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Maybe, but it isn't a big thing. PC gets tons of games per year that will never be available on consoles.

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#84 tenaka2
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Nameless not posting again in his own topic. Scumty, a lvl 1, keeping the thread going by trolling...

slimjimbadboy

Scumpty is an alt account checking the new limits of moderation, not sure if its nameless or not, however its known that nameless falls into a deep depression each day and cries for hours on end due to the Zelda review. He may just be busy with that.

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#85 AzatiS
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Despite it's undeniable hardware superiority, do you think the PC is becomming more of a "2nd rate" gaming platform that mostly lives from better graphics, modding and niche titles?

It certainly seems that way to me as the game market shift is going in the console direction.

I mean many PC games don't even get reviewed, there's barely any game demos, some multi-plat games come out months after the console version, the games get released in glitchy states, ect.

Is it possible that when the next-gen consoles arrive we could be seeing former PC-centric devs making console-only releases? (Crysis 3 anyone?)

Discuss :D

nameless12345
1)How pc is a "2nd" rate system when it has 90% of time the superior and full version of most games ( full = include DLC content ) and with way better prices its beyond any logic. 2) Tell that to blizzard 3) 32.5 million subscribers and 12M active users as we speak... No im not talking about the phenomenal of World of warcraft all know about. Im talking about a FREE to play game that is PC exclusive. League of Legends... If such games with so many millions active gamers daily ( which there are dozens of them ) are on the 2nd rate platform , then im happy im a second rate gamer. And to close this ... there are games that are PC oriented and by no means are 2nd rate or "2nd rate" , whatever the meaning. Games like Starcraft 2 , DOTA 2/LoL , WoW , SWTOR , GW2 and so many other games that yes can find their way on consoles BUT ... 1st rate = PC for these genres ...i dont see that change anytime soon just because next gen will be more powerful.
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#86 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="slimjimbadboy"]

Nameless not posting again in his own topic. Scumty, a lvl 1, keeping the thread going by trolling...

tenaka2

its known that nameless falls into a deep depression each day and cries for hours on end due to the Zelda review. He may just be busy with that.

How did you know? :P

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*Giant post full of win by Pelvist*pelvist
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#88 skrat_01
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Considering its; the most developed for platform. No. Consoles have become boxes for a select few titles, mostly designed for a certain breadth of audience; there's no comparable scope or variety. Nice attempt at baiting OP.
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#89 Zaibach
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PC has always been second rate to consoles IMO, its only of benefit to technophiles and and the such...

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#90 flashn00b
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Pretty much.

I mean, consoles get similar graphics to the PC, and yet the PC versions get higher system requirements. I call lack of optimization.

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#91 wis3boi
Member since 2005 • 32507 Posts

Pretty much.

I mean, consoles get similar graphics to the PC, and yet the PC versions get higher system requirements. I call lack of optimization.

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console games are all smoke and mirrors on sub HD resolutions and 30 fps on one consistent set of hardware. Go figure
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#92 milannoir
Member since 2008 • 1663 Posts

Pretty much.

I mean, consoles get similar graphics to the PC, and yet the PC versions get higher system requirements. I call lack of optimization.

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Justin Bieber does something similar to Beethoven for a living; they both are into music after all.

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#93 sakura_Ex
Member since 2007 • 3066 Posts
I dislike PC gaming as much as the next guy,but this thread is pretty f**ked up