Is the PC considered a Console?

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Absolutely not.

IronBass

It's not a console because consoles are closed platforms while a PC is an open platform blah blah blah I don't feel like repeating what has been said already. :P

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Absolutely not.

It's not a console because consoles are closed platforms while a PC is an open platform blah blah blah I don't feel like repeating what has been said already. :P

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

A PC can survived without NV and ATI GPUs.

Let's look at baseline GPUs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a892couyO0M

NVIDIA Geforce 9400 IGP vs Intel IGP focuses on gaming performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50FZmffmtqg

AMD Radeon HD 3200 IGP vs Intel IGP focuses on gaming performance.

AnnoyedDragon

Let me put it bluntly, what is your point?

The PC is both generalised and specialised i.e. performs best at general applications and performs best at gaming workloads. Usually, a generalised platform is not a master on any area, but a PC is master of both out-of-order processing (on the CPU) and streaming processing (on the GPU).

According to Fold@Home, CELL's SPE ISA math specialisation falls between CPU and GPU (Radeon X1900). In terms of design specialisation, the PC carries the extreme design end points. CUDA GPUs tries to bring these extreme design points closer.

It's both generalised and specialised i.e. performs best at general applications and performs best at gaming workloads. Usually, a generalised platform is not a master on any area, but a PC master of both out-of-order processing (on the CPU) and streaming processing (on the GPU). According to Fold@Home, CELL's SPE ISA specialisation falls between CPU and GPU (Radeon X1900). In terms of design specialisation, the PC carries the extreme design end points. CUDA GPUs tries to bring these extreme design points abit closer.ronvalencia

PC consists of both specialised and general purpose components, but the application of the platform as a whole is general purpose; whether that be gaming or business.

Now you said earlier that you weren't talking about platforms you were talking about devices, why then did you bring up a specialised device in response to a comment on PC as a platform as if it was a counter argument? Containing specialised components doesn't make PC a specialised platform.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

Absolutely not.

It's not a console because consoles are closed platforms while a PC is an open platform blah blah blah I don't feel like repeating what has been said already. :P

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]It's both generalised and specialised i.e. performs best at general applications and performs best at gaming workloads. Usually, a generalised platform is not a master on any area, but a PC master of both out-of-order processing (on the CPU) and streaming processing (on the GPU). According to Fold@Home, CELL's SPE ISA specialisation falls between CPU and GPU (Radeon X1900). In terms of design specialisation, the PC carries the extreme design end points. CUDA GPUs tries to bring these extreme design points abit closer.AnnoyedDragon

PC consists of both specialised and general purpose components, but the application of the platform as a whole is general purpose; whether that be gaming or business.

Now you said earlier that you weren't talking about platforms you were talking about devices, why then did you bring up a specialised device in response to a comment on PC as a platform as if it was a counter argument? Containing specialised components doesn't make PC a specialised platform.

My post was not designed as a "counter argument" to "specialised platform", but seeks to clarify that the PC masters (depending on add-on device) certain end-user workloads.ronvalencia

In other words your argument to PC being a general purpose platform is additional components can be used for specialisation?

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"] What, afraid of being called "consolite"? :Pronvalencia

It's not a console because consoles are closed platforms while a PC is an open platform blah blah blah I don't feel like repeating what has been said already. :P

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Oh don't be silly. :P

It's not a console because consoles are closed platforms while a PC is an open platform blah blah blah I don't feel like repeating what has been said already. :P

osan0

If Sony advertised (the act to offer or invitation to treat) a LinuxPPC capability and customer accepts, it would be illegal for Sony revoke an advertised feature i.e. In Oz, it would breach the Section 53 (Trade Practises Act). You can not *withdraw* an advertised feature after the customer accepts the product offer.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]My post was not designed as a "counter argument" to "specialised platform", but seeks to clarify that the PC masters (depending on add-on device) certain end-user workloads.AnnoyedDragon

In other words your argument to PC being a general purpose platform is additional components can be used for specialisation?

Examples of specialised Wintel PCs,

1.some ATMs are powered by a Wintel PC,

2.Capcom's StreetFighter IV coin-op games machine is powered by Core 2 Duo 2.13GHz + NVIDIA 7900GS Wintel PC.

Examples of specialised Wintel PCs,

1.some ATMs are powered by a Wintel PC,

2.Capcom's StreetFighter IV coin-op games machine is powered by Core 2 Duo 2.13GHz + NVIDIA 7900GSW Wintel PC.

ronvalencia

Only the topic is referring to home computers in this case and discussing whether they can be considered consoles.

Of course we have gone off topic a bit and discussing whether or not a PC is specialised. Those ATM computers and consoles can be considered specialised devices, but I just don't see how a personal computer can be considered a specialised device just because it can be set up to purpose; it's applications are far too broad.

With that said I have some work that needs doing so will be dropping out of the discussion here.

Its not a console but it is a gaming platform. As in developers use it as a platform to release games. DS and PSP aren't consoles but they're game platforms, same goes for PC.

Tiefster

It's a gaming platform, not a console.

In terms of the modern definition of console as defined by Oxford, yes it is. The old definition of console has been degraded somewhat by a focus on multimedia and an evolving role. The more broad definition of game 'console' can easily include PCs.Vandalvideo

When I hear console I think of PS, Xbox, etc. I never thought of the PC as such even though it can also play games and then some.

What do you mean with "So SW do you conisder the PC part of the gaming community or not?"?

I mean, PC does play games, dude. wtf?

No, it's not a gaming console. It's a gaming platform.

[QUOTE="Tiefster"]

Its not a console but it is a gaming platform. As in developers use it as a platform to release games. DS and PSP aren't consoles but they're game platforms, same goes for PC.

digimonkey12

No, the PSP and DS are certainly systems and gaming platforms, not what we in the industry call consoles.To keep things simple, they are called Handhelds.

I'm glad SW can't change the real world, otherwise ever term we ever had is up for grabs in the real world.

To answer the TC : PC's are great gaming system's and gaming platforms, but they are definitely not CONSOLES.

That term doesn't apply to PC's, but they are certainly apart of SW, and definately gaming platforms to contend with here.

You build it for gaming so technically its not