Is the PS Vita a confirmed failure in Japan without Monster Hunter?

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="r12qi"]

also having 300.000 seller of firts three month is good for a system more over we will have MGS&ZOE collection, FFx so far. pretty sure we will have better annoucement after vita is released just like 3DS :P

r12qi

fun fact MH originally a port :P

in japan handheld version tend to have better sell than console counter part. both of them will have nice +100.000 sales. i am predicting that ZOE MGSwill be first 5 month which make it Vita easily grab-ed 1-2 m sales. rumored that ffx will remake usng ff13 engine which give them solid 500.000 sales.

also no need paniking about psp loss franchise. miku which annouced for 3ds also rumored to have another one for vita

http://andriasang.com/comyfp/

also considering third party tend to have better relationship with sony. i am sure they will cover it

[QUOTE="r12qi"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Yes, I am holding out for more announcements around January myself :) However, again, MGS and ZOE collections, along with FFX HD, are all games that are PORTS, and can be played on the PS3. There would be no incentive to get them on the Vita. I am hoping for the announcement of an original game from Sony sometime soon. Maybe they should try to make their own Pokemon/Smash Bros killer, exclusive to the Vita, moreover.charizard1605

fun fact MH originally a port :P

in japan handheld version tend to have better sell than console counter part. both of them will have nice +100.000 sales. i am predicting that ZOE MGSwill be first 5 month which make it Vita easily grab-ed 1-2 m sales. rumored that ffx will remake usng ff13 engine which give them solid 500.000 sales.

also no need paniking about psp loss franchise. miku which annouced for 3ds also rumored to have another one for vita

http://andriasang.com/comyfp/

also considering third party tend to have better relationship with sony. i am sure they will cover it

and those are in 1 year(except maybe for ffx) and we are not talking about non annouced game (IIRC it seem one of gaf acidentally leaked that Lost planet and RE is coming to vita) . you see the future is not so dark :D

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="r12qi"]

fun fact MH originally a port :P

in japan handheld version tend to have better sell than console counter part. both of them will have nice +100.000 sales. i am predicting that ZOE MGSwill be first 5 month which make it Vita easily grab-ed 1-2 m sales. rumored that ffx will remake usng ff13 engine which give them solid 500.000 sales.

also no need paniking about psp loss franchise. miku which annouced for 3ds also rumored to have another one for vita

http://andriasang.com/comyfp/

also considering third party tend to have better relationship with sony. i am sure they will cover it

r12qi

and those are in 1 year(except maybe for ffx) and we are not talking about non annouced game (IIRC it seem one of gaf acidentally leaked that Lost planet and RE is coming to vita) . you see the future is not so dark :D

That was basically what I thought as well. I wonder if the Vita can find a new system selling IP, and if it does, when it will show up. I also wonder if it will be first party or third party. For Sony's sake, I would hope it is first party, that will give them one assured system seller every generation, like Nintendo and Pokemon.charizard1605

Meanwhile, SCEJ tends to bring out smaller niche titles like Patapon.

See, historically, handhelds have had their big name franchises independent from console franchises Dragon Quest and Mario being the only exceptions). The PS Vita needs a new handheld exclusive system selling franchise, like Pokemon or Monster Hunter, only made by Sony so that exclusivity can NEVER be lost.

charizard1605

You forgot another exception - the topic of this thread.

Off topic but @charizard...did the guy in your sig actually mean that or was just joking?

And on topic; I think the Vita is going to sell really well inJapan at first for sure. Its the new piece of tech and hardcore PSP fans will pick up a Vita day 1. But after the first couple months, things are up in the air. Square is bound to make a Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts title for the Vita. An MGS will be made for the Vita. But while they all sold really well on PSP, none of them had the same impact as Monster Hunter.

Which makes me wonder how Lord of Apocalyse will do. I know Lord of Arcana was a terrible game, but its what people in Japan love right? If Square learned from their mistakes, make a much better game, and market it right, it might be a million seller. And also God Eater is still a Playstation handheld exclusive. Thats pretty big in Japan to.

Also whenever you look at these Japan weekly sales charts the top 20 is filled with PSP titles. So while the 3DS is the best selling hardware recently, software still belongs to the PSP. All those games will eventually get sequels on Vita to I'm supposing. So that should help to.

Basically the Vita will do well for a while solely because how popular the PSP is. It def will not fail. But at the same time, Nintendo swooping up MH makes it highly unlikely that the Vita will overtake the 3DS in sales.

Those white 3DS's are going to sell like crazy....

Those Collector's Editions....they make me want to import.

Not to mention the 3DS is also getting monster hunter 4 (entirely new sequel). So the 3ds gets 2 monster hunter games in a market where the Japanese go nuts for games like these. I think it's safe to presume the Vita is doomed before it even started, though that could change depending on what games the Vita gets.

Off topic but @charizard...did the guy in your sig actually mean that or was just joking?

phantomblade220

Sony's western first party are largely historically been focused on the PS3, although with Shuhei Yoshida there may be a shift. I think Media Molecule are working on a Vita game.

Meanwhile, SCEJ tends to bring out smaller niche titles like Patapon.

I don't think there's any delineation between franchises being only for handheld or for both handheld and home console in terms of system seller status or pushing bigger numbers. Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Kingdom Hearts and other big brands will push software and hardware. Animal Crossing is one of the best selling games on the NDS.

You forgot another exception - the topic of this thread.

shinrabanshou

There isn't, except let's see. How many people would buy a handheld for God of War? Gran Turismo? Killzone? And how many would buy a handheld for Monster Hunter? Pokemon? Dragon Quest? As for Monster Hunter, it may have started as a console franchise, but it only found success on the handhelds- even once Monster Hunter mania had fully hit, Monster Hunter Tri on the Wii never sold quite as much, and in fact failed to meet Capcom's projections. What I am trying to say is that most of the times, a franchise either sells well on a handheld or on a console- you won't buy a console for Professor Layton or Pokemon, and you won't buy a handheld for Gran Turismo. Very few franchises- Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, and quite a few Nintendo franchises- are able to straddle the divide between handheld and console.charizard1605

I thought your point was that a console IP can't migrate onto a handheld and become a system seller, but I may have misunderstood.

(I generally don't buy a console for any one game, myself.)

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]There isn't, except let's see. How many people would buy a handheld for God of War? Gran Turismo? Killzone? And how many would buy a handheld for Monster Hunter? Pokemon? Dragon Quest? As for Monster Hunter, it may have started as a console franchise, but it only found success on the handhelds- even once Monster Hunter mania had fully hit, Monster Hunter Tri on the Wii never sold quite as much, and in fact failed to meet Capcom's projections. What I am trying to say is that most of the times, a franchise either sells well on a handheld or on a console- you won't buy a console for Professor Layton or Pokemon, and you won't buy a handheld for Gran Turismo. Very few franchises- Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, and quite a few Nintendo franchises- are able to straddle the divide between handheld and console.shinrabanshou

I thought your point was that a console IP can't migrate onto a handheld and become a system seller, but I may have misunderstood.

(I generally don't buy a console for any one game, myself.)

Pokemon started on the Gameboy.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]There isn't, except let's see. How many people would buy a handheld for God of War? Gran Turismo? Killzone? And how many would buy a handheld for Monster Hunter? Pokemon? Dragon Quest? As for Monster Hunter, it may have started as a console franchise, but it only found success on the handhelds- even once Monster Hunter mania had fully hit, Monster Hunter Tri on the Wii never sold quite as much, and in fact failed to meet Capcom's projections. What I am trying to say is that most of the times, a franchise either sells well on a handheld or on a console- you won't buy a console for Professor Layton or Pokemon, and you won't buy a handheld for Gran Turismo. Very few franchises- Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, and quite a few Nintendo franchises- are able to straddle the divide between handheld and console.shinrabanshou

I thought your point was that a console IP can't migrate onto a handheld and become a system seller, but I may have misunderstood.

(I generally don't buy a console for any one game, myself.)

Hmm. I can kind of see where you're coming from, but saying that no MonHun == dead Vita is a bit of a stretch. Was MonHun the only good game on PSP? Of course not. The PSP has had many, many games top the Media Create's charts. That's what will drive Vita. It doesn't need just one single game that pushes a ton of units on it's own--it has a lot of games that will sell well and will drive sales.

I understand that the system-selling game has always been Nintendo's business strategy, but Sony's strategy has always been getting tons of games out, hoping that one will be a homerun. quick--what game was THE system-seller for PS1? PS2? PS3? What are the top 5 games for those systems that made you want them? It's typically pretty pronounced with Nintendo's systems (you'll hear the same role call of excellent 1st party games), but with PS1, PS2, and PS3 (or even PSP outside of the MonHun craze) you'd get many different answers. Sony's games don't really have the impact to sell games on thier own. it's always a combined effort of the library. Vita is launching with 26 games day one, with about 100 games scheduled in it's "launch window" (whatever that is supposed to mean). Only the most jaded gamers will look at a list of games that long and will say "meh, there's NOTHING I like. FAIL SYSTEM!"

It's a huge blow to the PSVita, that's for sure since Monster Hunter was, arguably, the PSP's biggest system seller in Japan. Sony needs to step it up since the Vita doesn't really have any system seller (imo) because a lot of the Vita's big games are also available on different systems (FFX on PS3, MGS collection on PS3, etc). I own a PS3, and I have no intentions on getting a Vita because its big games are also coming on a system I own. Sony should secure an exclusive FF game or something along that line.

Meh there will be one eventually.

Meh there will be one eventually.

finalfantasy94

I dunno about OP but just looking at that "thing" makes me think of failure.

Sollet

The 3DS with that OPTIONAL attachment, is still smaller than the PS Vita.ShadowDeathX

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]The 3DS with that OPTIONAL attachment, is still smaller than the PS Vita.digimonkey12

That analog stick attachment is so much fail, it uses AA batteries like Game Boy LOL

Nintendo is so behind in technology

[QUOTE="digimonkey12"]

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]The 3DS with that OPTIONAL attachment, is still smaller than the PS Vita.ShadowDeathX

but isit thinner ;)

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="digimonkey12"] Who´s talking about size ?

r12qi

but isit thinner ;)

Yea but PSVita has Po...oh wait, nevermind....

I'm not sure. Many publications and even *** devs say that Japanese don't have a wide taste in games like the US and Europe so I suppose it might not do too well in Japan

The thread title is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.irbaboon2999

Vita will be a failure in comparison to how well the PSP sold in Japan.Japan was the only region with a chance for Sony. In the rest of the world Vita is a likely failure with zero chance even before it has launched.Vita will possibly still find a niche market(at best) and end up selling maximum 25 million units in the next 5 years in contrast to the mainstream success of 3DS,which will sell minimum 100 million units in the next 5 years.

Vita will be a failure in comparison to how well the PSP sold in Japan.Japan was the only region with a chance for Sony. In the rest of the world Vita is a likely failure with zero chance even before it has launched.Vita will possibly still find a niche market(at best) and end up selling maximum 25 million units in the next 5 years in contrast to the mainstream success of 3DS,which will sell minimum 100 million units in the next 5 years.

zeldisco2009

Let's see how the 3DS does in the next NPD, it may well be sub-200k. It has struggled so far every month except March (launch) and August (massive price cut). Android/iOS software revenue, as a share of all portable gaming revenue, will probably pass 50% this year.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Meh there will be one eventually.

charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="Sollet"]

I dunno about OP but just looking at that "thing" makes me think of failure.

MFDOOM1983

If you think MH will always be a 3ds exclusive , your very wrongultraking

so far it is

[QUOTE="ultraking"]If you think MH will always be a 3ds exclusive , your very wrongMario1331

so far it is