Is the PS4 slowly becoming what the XB1 was going to be?

From the direction Sony has been moving with the PlayStation 4 it seems like it's gradually becoming the ideology behind the original Xbox One design. Focusing on TV services and programming, media features and DRM based services like PlayStation Now.

Can you see this console being a wolf in sheep's clothing that will gradually change itself over time into something it didn't start as? Microsoft's problem wasn't just what they were trying to do, it's how they announced it, how they didn't work their way into it over time, they just tried to implement it all from launch and people went nuts.

Could Sony of actually been the bad guy all along, but they decided to do these things over a very long period of time so it would be considered acceptable or ease people into it?

Well these were the "features" announced for the X1:

Microsoft initially announced a different game licensing scheme for Xbox One than what was used upon its release: all games, including those purchased at retail, would be bound to the user's Xbox Live account. Users could access their purchased games from any other Xbox One console, play games without their disc once installed, and allow users to "share" their games with up to ten designated "family" members. Users would trade games at "participating retailers", and could also transfer a game directly to any Xbox Live friend on their list for at least 30 days, but only once. To synchronize licenses, the console would be required to connect to the internet once every 24 hours; if the console could not connect, all games would be disabled until the console was connected again

So i'm not sure what the PS4 does that is comparable

Yes it is! And the worst part is that PS4 owners have to keep waiting for games

I'm just saying, it comes off like they're slowly, very slowly moving in that direction to ease people into a transition period, possibly for their next console which may be the ideological embodiment of what the Xbox One was.

what are they doing to move towards the original X1 idea?

Na I don't see it. MS had some very anti-consumer policies that made the console very unattractive. Sony just has a shitty alternative to BC.

Look at PlayStation Now for example, that comes off like a DRM test rather than a real service, they are no doubt closely monitoring that for statistical data for adoption rates, how long it takes for people to adopt and how many. Eventually they will likely incorporate another service when people get comfortable with that which functions similarly to it more core to the system itself, with PlayStation 4 games for example or something else.

I just see a domino effect on the horizon for this console that's not going to end with consumer interests in mind.

Are you saying that you are slowly starting to like PS4?

No, I appreciate bluntness, a company coming right out and saying what they are going to do or intend to do, not start as something and then under the guise of deceit and time alter their product.

PS Now is a digital rental/streaming service. How does that relate to what microsoft was trying to do in terms of DRM? The X1 was going to tie physical games to an account and limit their ability to be resold.

So are Xboners.

This just seems a tad hyperbolic. lol.

MS wanted to be the water cooler and failed. Sony has the thunder right now.

A slippery slope is not always a fallacy, indoctrination to features over a long period of time and acclimatization to make the end game acceptable. If you implement optional DRM aspects slowly and over time people adjust to them, become comfortable with the idea, when they get to the point of being comfortable you lock them into something else. Take Steam for example, Steam is not something bad, however it took a market that was entirely physical and transitioned it into a 95% digital market over time, more and more people became accepting of it and adopted it.

If PC developers just stopped making physical games and Steam was forced the market would have collapsed, hence the Xbox One disaster, they tried to force something all at once and it backfired. If Sony eases people into digital and DRM based systems over time people will act like they were doing them a favor, then they're locked in forever.

But how is a rental/streaming service DRM? and how is that related to becoming like the original X1 concept. What has the PS4/sony done to be similar to like what was initially announced for the X1?

You're not getting this, and I'm not going to reiterate it again.

@nyadc: because you have yet to actually explain how the PS4 relates to the original X1 concept

No I most certainly have, you're just not connecting the dots somehow.

Didn't see it either.

@nyadc: you should be the one connecting the dots to explain how the PS4 is like the X1 concept. All you've said is PS now. How is that DRM? How does that make the PS4 like the original X1?

Everything has already been explained in more depth than necessary, you also may want to learn the definition of "becoming".

people have been losing their shit around here lately, I wish I knew why.

All this Doom and Gloom talk coming out of no where for no reason.

You people are getting out of hand about nothing.

Ooo sounding just a tad bit mad there.

It would be nice if you could hop off my dick every once in a while, need to use it every now and again.

...and Xbox owner not have to?

@nyadc: except you haven't explained it. How is PS Now DRM? And why does that mean the PS4 is becoming like the X1 concept?

Apparently waiting for games to release isn't considered waiting.

The passage of time is truly an enigma to lemmings.

@Samus3D said:

or you can do what myself and im sure many others have done and keep your PS3 alongside your PS4.....

Oh look, nyadc is cluttering the board, creating an entire (response) thread again turning something positive into a negative only because it's PS4 related, huge surprise.

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That's just a parody post, the truth is I don't care. I can see why nyadc got upset and posted only off topic butthurt before. It requires very little effort to call someone out and you can stay angry because of a plastic box wars. One doesn't have to even bother reading the posters words, just throw out ad hominems and accusations. It's lazy and easy.

I did read the OP and tried to see the subject the OPs way, but I couldn't. He's too dependent on PSNow as his point when comparing the original and horrible 24hour DRM Xbone vision. I actually read the paranoid OP and my real, non parody response is below:

Exactly.

I dunno about this one bro. Xbone had a pretty nasty reveal;... not really seeing the similarities to what Sony is doing with the PS4 as of late compared to that. Could change in the future, sure. But that's just being paranoid.

Holy fucking shit.

When I thought your PS4 hate and X1 bias couldn't get any more pathetic.

What do you do when the enemy is winning?

- Tell the public they are you when you were hated....with a dash of "We've changed though" for good measure

It's almost like Nya is more upset that Microsoft's original plan for screwing consumers with the xbone mark-1 didn't successfully go through.

I don't see it.

I actually think you may be onto something.

He seems to be very upset mass amounts of consumers don't see things his way, even when he lacks information and incorrectly guesses at things (like his incorrect theories regarding Tomb Raider PS4, Phil Spencer DID NOT DEFEND the Parity Clause, or that Sony copied PSNow from Xbox DRM family plan E3 for example). Then evidence comes up proving him 100% incorrect and he backpedals or disappears. It's no wonder he has issues, part of the problem is the things he conjures up in his mind about Xbox and Playstation don't actually exist, like this PSNow = original Xbone DRM thread. I suspect he was very much on board with the original Xbone plan either way, simply because another Xbox was releasing.

M$ is very lucky to have nyadc in their corner. He even made an apologetic, damage control thread explaining Halo MCC as a product was okay to release as buggy as it was.

As lucky as MS is, If he doesn't come back to this thread and defend his stance he might suffer a pay cut.

Lol lems are desperate. they want the competition to fail so bad. I think when and if sony goes under whenever that happens Nyadc will probably celebrate it instead of feeling bad for all the people who are going to lose their jobs. people are insane around here. the level of fanboy is amazing really.

Take a break from SW for a week or two in that small room of yours where you keep your Halo stuff and stare at them the whole day and hug some of the Halo figures you keep there and take them to bed with you while you cry yourself to sleep every night wishing MS to win against sony.

You better be prepared to get called poor.

Gotta pay those bills and Astroturfing is certainly one way!

Sometimes that perspective will help prevent making making threads like this in desperate hope of changing perception of a product.

I think the guardian may have a point:

Taking a break for SW may hopefully bring some perspective. At the very least help some people realize how insignificant this forum is in the grand scheme of things. If any of the console companies do good or bad, the public lets us know. We just sort of chat about the current events.

We are far removed from actually influencing users which seems to be the goal of this "Sony has been the bad guy all along! thread (a Keyser Soze twist), although based on the responses up to this point, the thread is yet another backfire.

All I really want is for these companies to try to please consumers and me and right now it seems each company has their fans. None of the 1st party or even 3rd party companies are blowing me away this gen as I type this, but they are doing what they can in their own way and I'll settle for that. I just have the machines and I wait for the games. Eh.

nyaDC, you're funny and niche.

NyaDC is a lem but SolidTy is a manticore...Interdasting!

@nyadc: You wish, lem. PS4 has more and better games, more relevant features for gaming than your DVR and a healthier future.

But hey, you need to do more damage control after the cloud bubble burst. Poor you.

Microsoft's problem was that they were forcing it on the consumer, and only did a 180 under heavy and justified criticism. All Sony is doing is adding totally optional services and features, so to answer your question, no.

Wait, your entire argument is predicated on PS Now?

Lol, okay.

I'm not happy with Sony myself right now, and I have made that very clearly known in the last few weeks, but using a hardware agnostic games streaming and rental service, and somehow conflating that to always online DRM, is laughable, even for you.

Agree. We have the legacy of CELL to thank for that, despite the PS3 being a fantastic console.

edit: Seeing the comments of Naydc getting eviscerated, I believe we have a thread backfire on our hands.

Delicious!

I don't have enough money to buy all the games I want lol.

The only parallels I see are reliance on 3rd party timed exclusive deals and slight emphasis on TV. However, the former could be traced to 360 era.

As long as Sony is not implementing those idiotic policies MS announced some months before X1 release , which they wont , theres nothing in common as of the ideology behind MS and Sony.

The problem with MS starts with the whole Xbox ONE concept as a hardware when they beleived , they had a reason to but still , that motion controls was the future and they tried to release a console that will offer everything Wii did plus everything it didnt ( therefore the brand name ONE imo , one system for all ). And when a system is failing so hard even from its concept ( noone cares about motion controls anymore in short ) , whatever happens next like announcements , policies , how they announced X thing or Z thing is totally irrelevant to gamers and no Sony has nothing to do with what MS was doing or tried to do even imho.

It was innevitable for Sony to offer some of the services and online feats MS did last generation in order to be competitive.

For **** sakes, just get a PS3, there cheap as ever now with waay more games on the market.

In a recent interview with Shuei Yoshida. Figures this would be swept under a rug.

"It seems that Sony had completely other plans for the PlayStation 4, but decided to change that at the last minute. Previously, we found out that Sony initially wanted to ship the PlayStation 4 with PS Eye, and a $500 price tag. But after they found out that Microsoft was doing something similar, they opted for a lower price and no PS Eye.

Now it’s revealed that something very similar happened with the PlayStation 4 used game policies. Microsoft revealed a rather harsh used game DRM on the Xbox One, and Sony had something similar on the PlayStation 4.

But after the outrage and negative feedback from gamers regarding the Xbox One, Sony quietly reversed its policies, finally revealing at E3 that the PS4 will not feature used game DRM. This is according to none other than SCE Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida, who admitted the policy change in a recent interview with Japanese publication Famitsu.

Sony deliberately kept their cards close tot heir chests, and waited for Microsoft to be the first to announced a used game policy and price. Then Sony had the freedom to adjust. When Sony revealed a $399 price point and no DRM at E3, it was met with a minute-long applause from the crowd."

I can't put up a link right now since I'm on my phone. Also don't forget that further proof of Sony's DRM plans are in their TOS that updated when the PS4 came out. They never changed it. So really they can slam the door anytime they want.