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#1 Kraken422
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The response to the XBox One has been astounding, it seems that everyone has jumped on the hate bandwagon, but is that hate justified? 

There seems to be four key issues causing the gaming community's negative response; 24 hour checks, Konnect always-on, the used game policy and the price. Are these really issues, or is a community notorious for whining simply whining again?

First things first let's look at the 24 hour online check-in. In my opinion this isn't too bad, we(gamespot users) all have the internet as does the vast majority of people in the market for a console. If your internet is regularly down for more than 24 hour periods that's something you should take up with your ISP not Microsoft. In regards to this particular issue it seems that people got all worked up by the always-on rumour that once they turned out to be false they never got worked down.

The next issue is Konnect always being on and the fear that it's going to spy on you, to me this is blown out of proportion even more than the 24 hour check-in. People's phobia towards Konnect suggests that there is either a serious issue with paranoia or people are looking to hate the XBox One. While it's true that the XBox One will most likely record information about your preferences for commercial gain it's going to be no more than Google or Facebook do. It won't be recording you while it's in stand-by (this is easily tested by someone in the know) in fact Konnect almost definitely will not be part of the XBox One's information farming at all. Microsoft really can't get anything of much value for them through a camera.

At this point your probably thinking, "Oh God! Another Microsoft Fanboy", but I'm actually trying to be objective and approach this from a non-biased point of view, something that's been happening very little on this site. So now a look at the used games policy, and this is where things start to get negative. While I personally don't but or resell my games I appreciate that a lot of other people do and anything that puts the possibility and affordability of this in doubt IS a bad thing. The part of this that bothers me is not being able to lend games. My brother and I both own 360s, we lend each other games regularly and it's the same with my friends. The used game policy is a definite issue, and while it might not be enough to refuse to buy the console it can't be ignored.

Finally the price. It's $100 more expensive than it's main competitor. Why? You get more, kind of. Yes I'm quite sure that the reason for the higher price tag is Microsoft's attempt to make a media platform, but here's the thing, I just want a games console. I don't want to pay extra for a Konnect unit who's features don't appeal to me. I don't want to pay extra for TV integration that doesn't only not appeal to me but probably isn't available in my country. I'm sure I'm not alone on this front, having to pay for features we aren't going to use is an issue.

So what will I buy? XBox One or PS4? Well at this point it's too early to say. As always I'm going to wait a while for the price drop but my decision isn't going to be based on any of the issues stated above, my decision is going to be based on exclusives. Consoles are for games and games are what should dictate which console we buy. XBox One certainly has some down sides but if I prefer it's games library that's the console I'll purchase. If PS4 has the better games library then I'll be buying a PS4.

Now I want to know what you think. Which, if any of these issues are going to stop you from buying an XBox One? What is most important to you when buying a new console? Have I missed key issues with the XBox One? And most of all: Is the XBox One hate justified?

tl;dr Is the XBox One hate Justified? What is important to you when buying a console? 

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#2 Blabadon
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Some of it. Most of it, people just need to get off an internet and stop worrying about what others buy
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#3 xhawk27
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Maybe some but not all. 

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#4 Mr720fan
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today seems different, alot of good buzz for the xbox 1. withstand the storm and they will come. look for x1 to be loved when it hits the market.

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#5 MrGameChef
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It is not a bad system. But when compared to PS4 it's not so great. I am sure the sales will reflect this.

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#6 Semantia
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Most of it is, yes.

 

It comes down to one thing for me. Why not just give the player the option? If I was always on connect to listen to me, let me set that option, or unplug it. Why not let me opt in to the online features? That way, if I have a good connection, I can use it, if I don't, I can use it offline.

 

I'd think what Microsoft is doing is amazing, online features, cloud gaming, always updated, as long as players had a CHOICE.

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#7 NFJSupreme
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yes and no. Just remember that the real world isn't as loud as the forums when it comes to this subject. Yes most people are leaning PS4 but not everyone is that upset about what MS is doing. For a lot of people its as simple as the PS4 being cheaper than the Xbone with better gaming performance.
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#8 Michael0134567
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Overall, yes.

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#9 verbtex  Moderator
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Not completely.

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#10 PinkiePirate
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Yes. DRM and always-online policies are not nessesary. At all.

 

Microsoft defends it by calling their system "the future," but being restrictive is not the future of gaming. Cloud gaming may require you to be online, and yes, you can't trade digital copies, but there is absolutely no reason why those limitations should be applied to the physical copies as well. The PS4 is a more capable device while still being open to consumers and developers. Being open is a more future-proof strategy than being restrictive. Provide the tools and let the developers and publishers decide.

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Yes they are, as long as they continue with this direction. They completely deserve it now until they change it
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#12 navyguy21
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I think most people have legit complaints. The media is doing a good job of letting MS know how consumers feel. Its the raging cows that keep it going with negative thread after negative thread. I mean i get it, MS isnt listening to the consumer, so im buying a PS4. But i refuse to act like a child and celebrate this like i won something....
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#13 MakeMeaSammitch
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Speaking as a mostly lemming.

Yes.

very much so.

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#14 Mr720fan
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No they are sticking to their vision, and being bullish on it. I like the confidence

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-believers-513819282

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#15 Heil68
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No they are sticking to their vision, and being bullish on it. I like the confidence

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-believers-513819282

Mr720fan
So X1 is 10X more powerful than 360, holy shit. Bookmarked that muther fvcker...hahhaha
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#16 Mr720fan
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[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

No they are sticking to their vision, and being bullish on it. I like the confidence

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-believers-513819282

Heil68

So X1 is 10X more powerful than 360, holy shit. Bookmarked that muther fvcker...hahhaha

wow think they are overclocking the esram, I like it, its a big box lol

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[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

No they are sticking to their vision, and being bullish on it. I like the confidence

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-believers-513819282

Heil68

So X1 is 10X more powerful than 360, holy shit. Bookmarked that muther fvcker...hahhaha

if that is quoted you should make a thread calling it bullshit, first they said 8 now 10.

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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

No they are sticking to their vision, and being bullish on it. I like the confidence

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-believers-513819282

Mr720fan

So X1 is 10X more powerful than 360, holy shit. Bookmarked that muther fvcker...hahhaha

wow think they are overclocking the esram, I like it, its a big box lol

X1 will do stuff even a top end PC could only dream about doing.
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Level 16 with 6 posts? That is impressive.
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

No they are sticking to their vision, and being bullish on it. I like the confidence

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-believers-513819282

Mr720fan

So X1 is 10X more powerful than 360, holy shit. Bookmarked that muther fvcker...hahhaha

if that is quoted you should make a thread calling it bullshit, first they said 8 now 10.

"Doing all of this computation would require a little over 10 consoles from the last generation," he says. "This is like taking about 10 1/2 Xbox 360s worth of CPU power and cramming it into one elegantly-designed Xbox One. So we are thrilled at what we have been able to do there. Because this type of raw processor horsepower that's mapping the current time and position in space in real time can all be done by a single Xbox One." edit sorry 10 1/2..hahhaahha
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[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] So X1 is 10X more powerful than 360, holy shit. Bookmarked that muther fvcker...hahhahaHeil68

if that is quoted you should make a thread calling it bullshit, first they said 8 now 10.

"Doing all of this computation would require a little over 10 consoles from the last generation," he says. "This is like taking about 10 1/2 Xbox 360s worth of CPU power and cramming it into one elegantly-designed Xbox One. So we are thrilled at what we have been able to do there. Because this type of raw processor horsepower that's mapping the current time and position in space in real time can all be done by a single Xbox One." edit sorry 10 1/2..hahhaahha

well first it was 6 then 8 now 10, but i dont think its out of the realm of possibilites, I think x1 is not going to have problems like people are thinking. DeadRising3 was fine for me, couldnt believe how good it looked, and even tho it will suck, i will get Ryse just for its visual prowness.

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Absolutely. It's an attempt to redefine your rights to your purchases, a push to force Kinect interactivity MS themselves know their core audience does not want, a refocus towards traditional TV control when traditional TV is on the decline, and all for significantly more than its competitors. It an arrogant push for MS desires instead of their customers. Kind of like Sony last gen except amplified to an almost comical level.
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#23 super600  Moderator
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To an extent. The console looks awesome, but those policies hurt the console.I just don't like the dozens of threads about the console on SW everyday.

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About 50% of it absolutely is. MS have made a rod for their own backs and look like they will pay the price for it. 3rd console curse looks like it maintaining its run this gen too.
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#25 Mr720fan
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To an extent. The console looks awesome, but those policies hurt the console.I just don't like the dozens of threads about the console on SW everyday.

super600

yeah well people want it to die, but it isnt going too, so everyday is a struggle, when people see it, they will like it even more. this is systemwars, the place had Kinect for dead at launch too and one guy PNF said no.

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#26 super600  Moderator
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About 50% of it absolutely is. MS have made a rod for their own backs and look like they will pay the price for it. 3rd console curse looks like it maintaining its run this gen too.blue_hazy_basic

 

The WiiU is doomed still. That console might still end up in third,but if it recovers the xbox one in it's current state is doomed.

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#27 CDWJUSTIN
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yes

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#28 super600  Moderator
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[QUOTE="super600"]

To an extent. The console looks awesome, but those policies hurt the console.I just don't like the dozens of threads about the console on SW everyday.

Mr720fan

yeah well people want it to die, but it isnt going too, so everyday is a struggle, when people see it, they will like it even more. this is systemwars, the place had Kinect for dead at launch too and one guy PNF said no.

I already know that you are PNF.

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#29 CDWJUSTIN
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i will sit back and say you have all these very bad things and all your doing is trying to rationalize them... people wouldn't be in an uproar if there was nothing to be pissed about your just trying some damage control..

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#30 Shewgenja
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If you want to rewind the clock back to the 80s when Atari was puking all over gaming and drove it to ruin, then have we got a console for you!

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[QUOTE="super600"]

To an extent. The console looks awesome, but those policies hurt the console.I just don't like the dozens of threads about the console on SW everyday.

Mr720fan

yeah well people want it to die, but it isnt going too, so everyday is a struggle, when people see it, they will like it even more. this is systemwars, the place had Kinect for dead at launch too and one guy PNF said no.

Then he ran away when he realized the junk released for it... Until you came up with a new name anyhow.
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#33 Shadowchronicle
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I do think that sometimes it is biased and sometimes people do have a good reason to hate it. I always feel the need to point out that people tend to post things about the console that isn't accurate and then just not liking it because Microsoft made it.
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#34 Kraken422
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People wouldn't be in an uproar if there was nothing to be pissed about. You're just trying some damage control.

CDWJUSTIN

Seriously? Have you ever payed attention to this site? People love bitching and complaining especially if they think people will take their side. As for me being in damage control I don't work for Microsoft, I have no reason to be in damage control. If you read my whole post you will see that I do criticize aspects of the XBox One, I'm not saying that it deserves no criticism, I'm saying that people are blowing things out of proportion and latching onto non-issues. Some XBox One hate is justified, to a degree, but not to the extent shown by Gamespot users and not across the board.

 

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#35 Mr720fan
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[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

To an extent. The console looks awesome, but those policies hurt the console.I just don't like the dozens of threads about the console on SW everyday.

santoron

yeah well people want it to die, but it isnt going too, so everyday is a struggle, when people see it, they will like it even more. this is systemwars, the place had Kinect for dead at launch too and one guy PNF said no.

Then he ran away when he realized the junk released for it... Until you came up with a new name anyhow.

i still love kinect to this day, i think it proved its worth, and it didnt failuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz like you said it would =D

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#36 Jipset
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I don't think hate is justified, but IMO it's good that there has been such a big response.
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#37 Mr720fan
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[QUOTE="CDWJUSTIN"]

People wouldn't be in an uproar if there was nothing to be pissed about. You're just trying some damage control.

Kraken422

Seriously? Have you ever payed attention to this site? People love bitching and complaining especially if they think people will take their side. As for me being in damage control I don't work for Microsoft, I have no reason to be in damage control. If you read my whole post you will see that I do criticize aspects of the XBox One, I'm not saying that it deserves no criticism, I'm saying that people are blowing things out of proportion and latching onto non-issues. Some XBox One hate is justified, to a degree, but not to the extent shown by Gamespot users and not across the board.

the freaken thing isnt even out and they are saying its DOA lol. you are a legend man, a level 16 with 9 posts. Great thread, you are daaaaaaa man

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#38 WitIsWisdom
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Yes the hate is justifed. /thread

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#39 Mr720fan
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Yes the hate is justifed. /thread

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#40 santoron
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[QUOTE="CDWJUSTIN"]

People wouldn't be in an uproar if there was nothing to be pissed about. You're just trying some damage control.

Kraken422

Seriously? Have you ever payed attention to this site? People love bitching and complaining especially if they think people will take their side. As for me being in damage control I don't work for Microsoft, I have no reason to be in damage control. If you read my whole post you will see that I do criticize aspects of the XBox One, I'm not saying that it deserves no criticism, I'm saying that people are blowing things out of proportion and latching onto non-issues. Some XBox One hate is justified, to a degree, but not to the extent shown by Gamespot users and not across the board.

 

I don't see your thread a DC at all. This is SW, where most of the posters are here to defend one machine and trash another, so everyone thinks everyone else is playing their game. An easy way to see the truth of the XBone debacle though is to see the reaction in the mainstream media. You'll quickly lose the fanboy chatter on both sides, but the general reaction against the anti consumer policies built into the console remain.
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many xbox fans are complaining because Xbone direction is entirely out of what they expect from a new generation Xbox. They do already have complains in the 360 like paid onlines (which the competitors offer for free). But this new entire sets of restrictions (compared again to the competitors) makes them feel that MS is kinda cheating the XBOX community into new set of pay base control. So IMO many Xbox supporter (at least those who are aware of the situation) feels betrayed that despite some clear community expectation, MS didn't listen and doesn't deliver.

PS fanboys or anyone that hate Xbone from the begginng, doesn't need any justification to hate XBONE

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#42 Mr720fan
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many xbox fans are complaining because Xbone direction is entirely out of what they expect from a new generation Xbox. They do already have complains in the 360 like paid onlines (which the competitors offer for free). But this new entire sets of restrictions (compared again to the competitors) makes them feel that MS is kinda cheating the XBOX community into new set of pay base control. So IMO many Xbox supporter feels cheated that despite some clear community expectation, MS didn't listen and doesn't deliver.

PS fanboys or anyone that hate Xbone from the begginng, doesn't need any justification to hate XBONE

strawhatlupi

there has been alot of them, im sure there are fans that think that way, but there are others that dont give a shit. its pretty obvious that MSFT is pushing for a connected community, so i hope everyone gets ensured broadband, obama could implement it and it would mean work, its time to start the future jeezus christ its criminal that communities dont have broadband.

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#43 Videodogg
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For the most part, yes. Kinect, mandatory online, used game restrictions , region lock, price ...the hate is justified

They did show some nice games, but in the end the games are not going to convince me that this system is a good idea. 

It just comes down to the fact that i can get a better Video Game experience from a few other platforms other than Xbox One.

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The backlash is justified #DealWithIt

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#45 WitIsWisdom
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[QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

Yes the hate is justifed. /thread

Mr720fan

hater approved

Yes, I am a shit policy hater and that is confirmed.

They try to take a dump over an industry I have supported for 30 years?

Well... I say bust out the riptide-rush haterade and get me a funnel... who the hell is gunna tap the keg for me?

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#46 Mr720fan
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The backlash is justified #DealWithIt

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thats not orths line btw, thats PNF's

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#47 Heil68
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[QUOTE="santoron"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

yeah well people want it to die, but it isnt going too, so everyday is a struggle, when people see it, they will like it even more. this is systemwars, the place had Kinect for dead at launch too and one guy PNF said no.

Mr720fan

Then he ran away when he realized the junk released for it... Until you came up with a new name anyhow.

i still love kinect to this day, i think it proved its worth, and it didnt failuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz like you said it would =D

To me it did. Absolutely sucks for gaming in all capacities and makes games not fun.
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#48 Douevenlift_bro
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YES.

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#49 strawhatlupi
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many xbox fans are complaining because Xbone direction is entirely out of what they expect from a new generation Xbox. They do already have complains in the 360 like paid onlines (which the competitors offer for free). But this new entire sets of restrictions (compared again to the competitors) makes them feel that MS is kinda cheating the XBOX community into new set of pay base control. So IMO many Xbox supporter feels cheated that despite some clear community expectation, MS didn't listen and doesn't deliver.

PS fanboys or anyone that hate Xbone from the begginng, doesn't need any justification to hate XBONE

Mr720fan

there has been alot of them, im sure there are fans that think that way, but there are others that dont give a shit. its pretty obvious that MSFT is pushing for a connected community, so i hope everyone gets ensured broadband, obama could implement it and it would mean work, its time to start the future jeezus christ its criminal that communities dont have broadband.

The concern is entirely NOT focus on availability of an internet connection. but the entire total dependency of the system to a third party infrastructure which you cannot control.

Its natural for consumers to clamor for possession which can guarantee them some absolute control over its use. They can use anytime, anywhere they want base on a given standard of expectation. Consoles, until now, are expected to work regardless of internet accessibility you have. This is the expectation MS failed to deliver.

If given an option many people would rather own a thing rather than rent thing especially on products that they expect they will use reqularly and expected to work for a very long time.

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#50 WitIsWisdom
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[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="santoron"] Then he ran away when he realized the junk released for it... Until you came up with a new name anyhow.Heil68

i still love kinect to this day, i think it proved its worth, and it didnt failuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz like you said it would =D

To me it did. Absolutely sucks for gaming in all capacities and makes games not fun.

Unless the game was already not fun.. then it make the game slightly amusing, not fun, but good for a laugh.