Is the XBox One hate Justified?

You know I was about to say 

The response to the XBox One has been astounding, it seems that everyone has jumped on the hate bandwagon, but is that hate justified? 

There seems to be four key issues causing the gaming community's negative response; 24 hour checks, Konnect always-on, the used game policy and the price. Are these really issues, or is a community notorious for whining simply whining again?

First things first let's look at the 24 hour online check-in. In my opinion this isn't too bad, we(gamespot users) all have the internet as does the vast majority of people in the market for a console. If your internet is regularly down for more than 24 hour periods that's something you should take up with your ISP not Microsoft. In regards to this particular issue it seems that people got all worked up by the always-on rumour that once they turned out to be false they never got worked down.

The next issue is Konnect always being on and the fear that it's going to spy on you, to me this is blown out of proportion even more than the 24 hour check-in. People's phobia towards Konnect suggests that there is either a serious issue with paranoia or people are looking to hate the XBox One. While it's true that the XBox One will most likely record information about your preferences for commercial gain it's going to be no more than Google or Facebook do. It won't be recording you while it's in stand-by (this is easily tested by someone in the know) in fact Konnect almost definitely will not be part of the XBox One's information farming at all. Microsoft really can't get anything of much value for them through a camera.

At this point your probably thinking, "Oh God! Another Microsoft Fanboy", but I'm actually trying to be objective and approach this from a non-biased point of view, something that's been happening very little on this site. So now a look at the used games policy, and this is where things start to get negative. While I personally don't but or resell my games I appreciate that a lot of other people do and anything that puts the possibility and affordability of this in doubt IS a bad thing. The part of this that bothers me is not being able to lend games. My brother and I both own 360s, we lend each other games regularly and it's the same with my friends. The used game policy is a definite issue, and while it might not be enough to refuse to buy the console it can't be ignored.

Finally the price. It's $100 more expensive than it's main competitor. Why? You get more, kind of. Yes I'm quite sure that the reason for the higher price tag is Microsoft's attempt to make a media platform, but here's the thing, I just want a games console. I don't want to pay extra for a Konnect unit who's features don't appeal to me. I don't want to pay extra for TV integration that doesn't only not appeal to me but probably isn't available in my country. I'm sure I'm not alone on this front, having to pay for features we aren't going to use is an issue.

So what will I buy? XBox One or PS4? Well at this point it's too early to say. As always I'm going to wait a while for the price drop but my decision isn't going to be based on any of the issues stated above, my decision is going to be based on exclusives. Consoles are for games and games are what should dictate which console we buy. XBox One certainly has some down sides but if I prefer it's games library that's the console I'll purchase. If PS4 has the better games library then I'll be buying a PS4.

Now I want to know what you think. Which, if any of these issues are going to stop you from buying an XBox One? What is most important to you when buying a new console? Have I missed key issues with the XBox One? And most of all: Is the XBox One hate justified?

Not really.

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"]

many xbox fans are complaining because Xbone direction is entirely out of what they expect from a new generation Xbox. They do already have complains in the 360 like paid onlines (which the competitors offer for free). But this new entire sets of restrictions (compared again to the competitors) makes them feel that MS is kinda cheating the XBOX community into new set of pay base control. So IMO many Xbox supporter feels cheated that despite some clear community expectation, MS didn't listen and doesn't deliver.

PS fanboys or anyone that hate Xbone from the begginng, doesn't need any justification to hate XBONE

strawhatlupi

there has been alot of them, im sure there are fans that think that way, but there are others that dont give a shit. its pretty obvious that MSFT is pushing for a connected community, so i hope everyone gets ensured broadband, obama could implement it and it would mean work, its time to start the future jeezus christ its criminal that communities dont have broadband.

The concern is entirely NOT focus on availability of an internet connection. but the entire total dependency of the system to a third party infrastructure which you cannot control.

Its natural for consumers to clamor for possession which can guarantee them some absolute control over its use. They can use anytime, anywhere they want base on a given standard of expectation. Consoles, until now, are expected to work regardless of internet accessibility you have. This is the expectation MS failed to deliver.

If given an option many people would rather own a thing rather than rent thing especially on products that they expect they will use reqularly and expected to work for a very long time.

I think I can see Microsoft side though on this very thing. If you dont like the policy obviously you cant go with it, but I doubt its gonna be as bad as you think it will be. I love my itunes, i will love this, but thats me. how many are truly your type? they have set out of the rules and if you dont wanna buy into it I guess you dont. I dont think its dead like some are proclaiming, the thing has even come out lol so i do think some of the hate is unjustified.

You know I was about to say

The response to the XBox One has been astounding, it seems that everyone has jumped on the hate bandwagon, but is that hate justified?

There seems to be four key issues causing the gaming community's negative response; 24 hour checks, Konnect always-on, the used game policy and the price. Are these really issues, or is a community notorious for whining simply whining again?

First things first let's look at the 24 hour online check-in. In my opinion this isn't too bad, we(gamespot users) all have the internet as does the vast majority of people in the market for a console. If your internet is regularly down for more than 24 hour periods that's something you should take up with your ISP not Microsoft. In regards to this particular issue it seems that people got all worked up by the always-on rumour that once they turned out to be false they never got worked down.

The next issue is Konnect always being on and the fear that it's going to spy on you, to me this is blown out of proportion even more than the 24 hour check-in. People's phobia towards Konnect suggests that there is either a serious issue with paranoia or people are looking to hate the XBox One. While it's true that the XBox One will most likely record information about your preferences for commercial gain it's going to be no more than Google or Facebook do. It won't be recording you while it's in stand-by (this is easily tested by someone in the know) in fact Konnect almost definitely will not be part of the XBox One's information farming at all. Microsoft really can't get anything of much value for them through a camera.

At this point your probably thinking, "Oh God! Another Microsoft Fanboy", but I'm actually trying to be objective and approach this from a non-biased point of view, something that's been happening very little on this site. So now a look at the used games policy, and this is where things start to get negative. While I personally don't but or resell my games I appreciate that a lot of other people do and anything that puts the possibility and affordability of this in doubt IS a bad thing. The part of this that bothers me is not being able to lend games. My brother and I both own 360s, we lend each other games regularly and it's the same with my friends. The used game policy is a definite issue, and while it might not be enough to refuse to buy the console it can't be ignored.

Finally the price. It's $100 more expensive than it's main competitor. Why? You get more, kind of. Yes I'm quite sure that the reason for the higher price tag is Microsoft's attempt to make a media platform, but here's the thing, I just want a games console. I don't want to pay extra for a Konnect unit who's features don't appeal to me. I don't want to pay extra for TV integration that doesn't only not appeal to me but probably isn't available in my country. I'm sure I'm not alone on this front, having to pay for features we aren't going to use is an issue.

So what will I buy? XBox One or PS4? Well at this point it's too early to say. As always I'm going to wait a while for the price drop but my decision isn't going to be based on any of the issues stated above, my decision is going to be based on exclusives. Consoles are for games and games are what should dictate which console we buy. XBox One certainly has some down sides but if I prefer it's games library that's the console I'll purchase. If PS4 has the better games library then I'll be buying a PS4.

Now I want to know what you think. Which, if any of these issues are going to stop you from buying an XBox One? What is most important to you when buying a new console? Have I missed key issues with the XBox One? And most of all: Is the XBox One hate justified?

Not really.

NathanDrakeSwag

wow just wow

[QUOTE="santoron"][QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

yeah well people want it to die, but it isnt going too, so everyday is a struggle, when people see it, they will like it even more. this is systemwars, the place had Kinect for dead at launch too and one guy PNF said no.

Mr720fan

i still love kinect to this day, i think it proved its worth, and it didnt failuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz like you said it would =D

You know I was about to say 

The response to the XBox One has been astounding, it seems that everyone has jumped on the hate bandwagon, but is that hate justified? 

There seems to be four key issues causing the gaming community's negative response; 24 hour checks, Konnect always-on, the used game policy and the price. Are these really issues, or is a community notorious for whining simply whining again?

First things first let's look at the 24 hour online check-in. In my opinion this isn't too bad, we(gamespot users) all have the internet as does the vast majority of people in the market for a console. If your internet is regularly down for more than 24 hour periods that's something you should take up with your ISP not Microsoft. In regards to this particular issue it seems that people got all worked up by the always-on rumour that once they turned out to be false they never got worked down.

The next issue is Konnect always being on and the fear that it's going to spy on you, to me this is blown out of proportion even more than the 24 hour check-in. People's phobia towards Konnect suggests that there is either a serious issue with paranoia or people are looking to hate the XBox One. While it's true that the XBox One will most likely record information about your preferences for commercial gain it's going to be no more than Google or Facebook do. It won't be recording you while it's in stand-by (this is easily tested by someone in the know) in fact Konnect almost definitely will not be part of the XBox One's information farming at all. Microsoft really can't get anything of much value for them through a camera.

At this point your probably thinking, "Oh God! Another Microsoft Fanboy", but I'm actually trying to be objective and approach this from a non-biased point of view, something that's been happening very little on this site. So now a look at the used games policy, and this is where things start to get negative. While I personally don't but or resell my games I appreciate that a lot of other people do and anything that puts the possibility and affordability of this in doubt IS a bad thing. The part of this that bothers me is not being able to lend games. My brother and I both own 360s, we lend each other games regularly and it's the same with my friends. The used game policy is a definite issue, and while it might not be enough to refuse to buy the console it can't be ignored.

Finally the price. It's $100 more expensive than it's main competitor. Why? You get more, kind of. Yes I'm quite sure that the reason for the higher price tag is Microsoft's attempt to make a media platform, but here's the thing, I just want a games console. I don't want to pay extra for a Konnect unit who's features don't appeal to me. I don't want to pay extra for TV integration that doesn't only not appeal to me but probably isn't available in my country. I'm sure I'm not alone on this front, having to pay for features we aren't going to use is an issue.

So what will I buy? XBox One or PS4? Well at this point it's too early to say. As always I'm going to wait a while for the price drop but my decision isn't going to be based on any of the issues stated above, my decision is going to be based on exclusives. Consoles are for games and games are what should dictate which console we buy. XBox One certainly has some down sides but if I prefer it's games library that's the console I'll purchase. If PS4 has the better games library then I'll be buying a PS4.

Now I want to know what you think. Which, if any of these issues are going to stop you from buying an XBox One? What is most important to you when buying a new console? Have I missed key issues with the XBox One? And most of all: Is the XBox One hate justified?

Not really.

NathanDrakeSwag

The backlash is justified #DealWithIt

megaspiderweb09

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"]

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

there has been alot of them, im sure there are fans that think that way, but there are others that dont give a shit. its pretty obvious that MSFT is pushing for a connected community, so i hope everyone gets ensured broadband, obama could implement it and it would mean work, its time to start the future jeezus christ its criminal that communities dont have broadband.

Mr720fan

The concern is entirely NOT focus on availability of an internet connection. but the entire total dependency of the system to a third party infrastructure which you cannot control.

Its natural for consumers to clamor for possession which can guarantee them some absolute control over its use. They can use anytime, anywhere they want base on a given standard of expectation. Consoles, until now, are expected to work regardless of internet accessibility you have. This is the expectation MS failed to deliver.

If given an option many people would rather own a thing rather than rent thing especially on products that they expect they will use reqularly and expected to work for a very long time.

I think I can see Microsoft side though on this very thing. If you dont like the policy obviously you cant go with it, but I doubt its gonna be as bad as you think it will be. I love my itunes, i will love this, but thats me. how many are truly your type? they have set out of the rules and if you dont wanna buy into it I guess you dont. I dont think its dead like some are proclaiming, the thing has even come out lol so i do think some of the hate is unjustified.

That is the problem here for MS PR, "The either buy it or dont get it,  we don't give a F*ck" arrogant attitude. It makes many people hate the product even more.

They are selling a consumer product that is tagged and is known to be as a "gaming console". Its fanbase expect it to work like a standard console.

Maybe if they advertise it initially as a new "online base living room entertainment system that can play video games" product, people will treat it as one, instead of actually expecting it to behave as a regular gaming console.

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="santoron"] Then he ran away when he realized the junk released for it... Until you came up with a new name anyhow.santoron

i still love kinect to this day, i think it proved its worth, and it didnt failuuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz like you said it would =D

8 AAE's was pretty good and i sure did take a ton of heat for proclaiming it would sell like hotcakes. im sure you said it would failzzzz and if 500 billion towards advertisement is the key answer to sell like it did, why not do the same with xbox 1. So your thinking is flawed, sorry you got owned and are bitter.. Did you vote me in the other thread? I think you are the 3rd.

You know I was about to say 

The response to the XBox One has been astounding, it seems that everyone has jumped on the hate bandwagon, but is that hate justified? 

There seems to be four key issues causing the gaming community's negative response; 24 hour checks, Konnect always-on, the used game policy and the price. Are these really issues, or is a community notorious for whining simply whining again?

First things first let's look at the 24 hour online check-in. In my opinion this isn't too bad, we(gamespot users) all have the internet as does the vast majority of people in the market for a console. If your internet is regularly down for more than 24 hour periods that's something you should take up with your ISP not Microsoft. In regards to this particular issue it seems that people got all worked up by the always-on rumour that once they turned out to be false they never got worked down.

The next issue is Konnect always being on and the fear that it's going to spy on you, to me this is blown out of proportion even more than the 24 hour check-in. People's phobia towards Konnect suggests that there is either a serious issue with paranoia or people are looking to hate the XBox One. While it's true that the XBox One will most likely record information about your preferences for commercial gain it's going to be no more than Google or Facebook do. It won't be recording you while it's in stand-by (this is easily tested by someone in the know) in fact Konnect almost definitely will not be part of the XBox One's information farming at all. Microsoft really can't get anything of much value for them through a camera.

At this point your probably thinking, "Oh God! Another Microsoft Fanboy", but I'm actually trying to be objective and approach this from a non-biased point of view, something that's been happening very little on this site. So now a look at the used games policy, and this is where things start to get negative. While I personally don't but or resell my games I appreciate that a lot of other people do and anything that puts the possibility and affordability of this in doubt IS a bad thing. The part of this that bothers me is not being able to lend games. My brother and I both own 360s, we lend each other games regularly and it's the same with my friends. The used game policy is a definite issue, and while it might not be enough to refuse to buy the console it can't be ignored.

Finally the price. It's $100 more expensive than it's main competitor. Why? You get more, kind of. Yes I'm quite sure that the reason for the higher price tag is Microsoft's attempt to make a media platform, but here's the thing, I just want a games console. I don't want to pay extra for a Konnect unit who's features don't appeal to me. I don't want to pay extra for TV integration that doesn't only not appeal to me but probably isn't available in my country. I'm sure I'm not alone on this front, having to pay for features we aren't going to use is an issue.

So what will I buy? XBox One or PS4? Well at this point it's too early to say. As always I'm going to wait a while for the price drop but my decision isn't going to be based on any of the issues stated above, my decision is going to be based on exclusives. Consoles are for games and games are what should dictate which console we buy. XBox One certainly has some down sides but if I prefer it's games library that's the console I'll purchase. If PS4 has the better games library then I'll be buying a PS4.

Now I want to know what you think. Which, if any of these issues are going to stop you from buying an XBox One? What is most important to you when buying a new console? Have I missed key issues with the XBox One? And most of all: Is the XBox One hate justified?

Not really.

NathanDrakeSwag

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"]

The concern is entirely NOT focus on availability of an internet connection. but the entire total dependency of the system to a third party infrastructure which you cannot control.

Its natural for consumers to clamor for possession which can guarantee them some absolute control over its use. They can use anytime, anywhere they want base on a given standard of expectation. Consoles, until now, are expected to work regardless of internet accessibility you have. This is the expectation MS failed to deliver.

If given an option many people would rather own a thing rather than rent thing especially on products that they expect they will use reqularly and expected to work for a very long time.

strawhatlupi

I think I can see Microsoft side though on this very thing. If you dont like the policy obviously you cant go with it, but I doubt its gonna be as bad as you think it will be. I love my itunes, i will love this, but thats me. how many are truly your type? they have set out of the rules and if you dont wanna buy into it I guess you dont. I dont think its dead like some are proclaiming, the thing has even come out lol so i do think some of the hate is unjustified.

That is the problem here for MS PR, "The either buy it or dont get it, we don't give a F*ck" arrogant attitude. It makes many people hate the product even more.

They are selling a consumer product that is tagged and is known to be as a "gaming console". Its fanbase expect it to work like a standard console.

Maybe if they advertise it initially as a new "online living room entertainment system that can play video games" product, people will treat it as one, instead of actually expecting it to behave as a regular gaming console.

but it is a gaming device as well, and that attitude is because thats there vision, they need to be that way to utilize the cloud, DRM etc, there beliefs, its a vision and they are sticking to it. They are bullish and I respect that, but maybe they could do a little better at explaining themselves yes. Overall tho the system is freaking fantastic for everything it offers. To me I like the direction, maybe they didnt communicate it the best, and there is time. They can make up with everyone offering steam like deals on a certain day.

[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

You know I was about to say

The response to the XBox One has been astounding, it seems that everyone has jumped on the hate bandwagon, but is that hate justified?

There seems to be four key issues causing the gaming community's negative response; 24 hour checks, Konnect always-on, the used game policy and the price. Are these really issues, or is a community notorious for whining simply whining again?

First things first let's look at the 24 hour online check-in. In my opinion this isn't too bad, we(gamespot users) all have the internet as does the vast majority of people in the market for a console. If your internet is regularly down for more than 24 hour periods that's something you should take up with your ISP not Microsoft. In regards to this particular issue it seems that people got all worked up by the always-on rumour that once they turned out to be false they never got worked down.

The next issue is Konnect always being on and the fear that it's going to spy on you, to me this is blown out of proportion even more than the 24 hour check-in. People's phobia towards Konnect suggests that there is either a serious issue with paranoia or people are looking to hate the XBox One. While it's true that the XBox One will most likely record information about your preferences for commercial gain it's going to be no more than Google or Facebook do. It won't be recording you while it's in stand-by (this is easily tested by someone in the know) in fact Konnect almost definitely will not be part of the XBox One's information farming at all. Microsoft really can't get anything of much value for them through a camera.

At this point your probably thinking, "Oh God! Another Microsoft Fanboy", but I'm actually trying to be objective and approach this from a non-biased point of view, something that's been happening very little on this site. So now a look at the used games policy, and this is where things start to get negative. While I personally don't but or resell my games I appreciate that a lot of other people do and anything that puts the possibility and affordability of this in doubt IS a bad thing. The part of this that bothers me is not being able to lend games. My brother and I both own 360s, we lend each other games regularly and it's the same with my friends. The used game policy is a definite issue, and while it might not be enough to refuse to buy the console it can't be ignored.

Finally the price. It's $100 more expensive than it's main competitor. Why? You get more, kind of. Yes I'm quite sure that the reason for the higher price tag is Microsoft's attempt to make a media platform, but here's the thing, I just want a games console. I don't want to pay extra for a Konnect unit who's features don't appeal to me. I don't want to pay extra for TV integration that doesn't only not appeal to me but probably isn't available in my country. I'm sure I'm not alone on this front, having to pay for features we aren't going to use is an issue.

So what will I buy? XBox One or PS4? Well at this point it's too early to say. As always I'm going to wait a while for the price drop but my decision isn't going to be based on any of the issues stated above, my decision is going to be based on exclusives. Consoles are for games and games are what should dictate which console we buy. XBox One certainly has some down sides but if I prefer it's games library that's the console I'll purchase. If PS4 has the better games library then I'll be buying a PS4.

Now I want to know what you think. Which, if any of these issues are going to stop you from buying an XBox One? What is most important to you when buying a new console? Have I missed key issues with the XBox One? And most of all: Is the XBox One hate justified?

Not really.

Kraken422

i think i just found out what a fakeboy is.

When I say this people say I'm an MS fanboi.

And you didn't mention that the used game policy is up to pubs.

Yes. DRM and always-online policies are not nessesary. At all.

 

Microsoft defends it by calling their system "the future," but being restrictive is not the future of gaming. Cloud gaming may require you to be online, and yes, you can't trade digital copies, but there is absolutely no reason why those limitations should be applied to the physical copies as well. The PS4 is a more capable device while still being open to consumers and developers. Being open is a more future-proof strategy than being restrictive. Provide the tools and let the developers and publishers decide.

PinkiePirate

Yeah, actually they are necessary so devs can make money you greedy f*ck.  And MS IS PROVIDING THE TOOLS AND LEAVING IT UP TO THE PUBS.  If there was NO used game market, then it wouldn't be restrictive, It would be freeing.

When I say this people say I'm an MS fanboi.

 

And you didn't mention that the used game policy is up to pubs.

GOGOGOGURT

Blah blah blah ....PrjectNatalFans latest troll account

  And MS IS PROVIDING THE TOOLS AND LEAVING IT UP TO THE PUBS. 

GOGOGOGURT

if the publishers decide to allow the games to be played offline without time limit, it still won't by pass Xbone 24hrs check requirement.

Basically Xbone, independent on any publishers decision, is a restrictive system from the start.

[QUOTE="PrjectNatalFans latest troll account"] Blah blah blah ....santoron

oh you mad.... ProjectNatalFan on xbl, add me

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

Yes. DRM and always-online policies are not nessesary. At all.

 

Microsoft defends it by calling their system "the future," but being restrictive is not the future of gaming. Cloud gaming may require you to be online, and yes, you can't trade digital copies, but there is absolutely no reason why those limitations should be applied to the physical copies as well. The PS4 is a more capable device while still being open to consumers and developers. Being open is a more future-proof strategy than being restrictive. Provide the tools and let the developers and publishers decide.

GOGOGOGURT

Yeah, actually they are necessary so devs can make money you greedy f*ck.  And MS IS PROVIDING THE TOOLS AND LEAVING IT UP TO THE PUBS.  If there was NO used game market, then it wouldn't be restrictive, It would be freeing.

Is having to connect online (within 24hrs) to play offline games justified?
Is not being able to sell your games directly to friends or through e-bay justified?
Is having tight restrictions on loaning a game to a friend (only once) justified?
Is $100 more than the main competing console (with no discernable technical advantage) justified?

How you answer these will answer your own question.

Justified, I would say so. 

Is having to connect online (within 24hrs) to play offline games justified?
Is not being able to sell your games directly to friends or other players justified?
Is having tight restrictions on loaning a game to a friend (only once) justified?
Is $100 more than the main competing console (with no discernable technical advantage) justified?

How you answer these will answer your own question.

AdobeArtist

yes yes yes yes..... I have, its called evolution towards the digital platform. I see Microsoft vision, I accept it, and deal with the pros and cons. Discs dont work for me compared to digital. I think always on connected devices are a good thing so i understand them doing that, they could of made it always online as well. Gamestop rapes me, rather have Microsoft rape me and maybe get cheaper deals like they do on steam. as for the price I think xbox is offering a ton more? Its a much more advanced machine if you ask me, maybe not on the GPU side of things, but otherwise it isnt close.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Is having to connect online (within 24hrs) to play offline games justified?
Is not being able to sell your games directly to friends or other players justified?
Is having tight restrictions on loaning a game to a friend (only once) justified?
Is $100 more than the main competing console (with no discernable technical advantage) justified?

How you answer these will answer your own question.

Mr720fan

yes yes yes yes..... I have, its called evolution towards the digital platform. I see Microsoft vision, I accept it, and deal with the pros and cons. Discs dont work for me compared to digital. I think always on connected devices are a good thing so i understand them doing that, they could of made it always online as well. Gamestop rapes me, rather have Microsoft rape me and maybe get cheaper deals like they do on steam. as for the price I think xbox is offering a ton more? Its a much more advanced machine if you ask me, maybe not on the GPU side of things, but otherwise it isnt close.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Is having to connect online (within 24hrs) to play offline games justified?
Is not being able to sell your games directly to friends or other players justified?
Is having tight restrictions on loaning a game to a friend (only once) justified?
Is $100 more than the main competing console (with no discernable technical advantage) justified?

How you answer these will answer your own question.

Mr720fan

yes yes yes yes..... I have, its called evolution towards the digital platform. I see Microsoft vision, I accept it, and deal with the pros and cons. Discs dont work for me compared to digital. I think always on connected devices are a good thing so i understand them doing that, they could of made it always online as well. Gamestop rapes me, rather have Microsoft rape me and maybe get cheaper deals like they do on steam. as for the price I think xbox is offering a ton more? Its a much more advanced machine if you ask me, maybe not on the GPU side of things, but otherwise it isnt close.

.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Is having to connect online (within 24hrs) to play offline games justified?
Is not being able to sell your games directly to friends or other players justified?
Is having tight restrictions on loaning a game to a friend (only once) justified?
Is $100 more than the main competing console (with no discernable technical advantage) justified?

How you answer these will answer your own question.

Mr720fan

yes yes yes yes..... I have, its called evolution towards the digital platform. I see Microsoft vision, I accept it, and deal with the pros and cons. Discs dont work for me compared to digital. I think always on connected devices are a good thing so i understand them doing that, they could of made it always online as well. Gamestop **cheats** me, rather have Microsoft **cheat** me and maybe get cheaper deals like they do on steam. as for the price I think xbox is offering a ton more? Its a much more advanced machine if you ask me, maybe not on the GPU side of things, but otherwise it isnt close.

Let's see if MS will offer steam-like deals since you can't make your money back on a game if it sucks. The steam model on PC works because of the pricing.

Yes and No.

The 4 issues you brought up are the only legitimate concerns but then you have sheens and morons *not much of a difference* trying to add every thing else including stuff that is standard on the ps4.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Is having to connect online (within 24hrs) to play offline games justified?
Is not being able to sell your games directly to friends or other players justified?
Is having tight restrictions on loaning a game to a friend (only once) justified?
Is $100 more than the main competing console (with no discernable technical advantage) justified?

How you answer these will answer your own question.

Mr720fan

yes yes yes yes..... I have, its called evolution towards the digital platform. I see Microsoft vision, I accept it, and deal with the pros and cons. Discs dont work for me compared to digital. I think always on connected devices are a good thing so i understand them doing that, they could of made it always online as well. Gamestop rapes me, rather have Microsoft rape me and maybe get cheaper deals like they do on steam. as for the price I think xbox is offering a ton more? Its a much more advanced machine if you ask me, maybe not on the GPU side of things, but otherwise it isnt close.

We know we know.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Is having to connect online (within 24hrs) to play offline games justified?
Is not being able to sell your games directly to friends or other players justified?
Is having tight restrictions on loaning a game to a friend (only once) justified?
Is $100 more than the main competing console (with no discernable technical advantage) justified?

How you answer these will answer your own question.

Mr720fan

yes yes yes yes..... I have, its called evolution towards the digital platform. I see Microsoft vision, I accept it, and deal with the pros and cons. Discs dont work for me compared to digital. I think always on connected devices are a good thing so i understand them doing that, they could of made it always online as well. Gamestop rapes me, rather have Microsoft rape me and maybe get cheaper deals like they do on steam. as for the price I think xbox is offering a ton more? Its a much more advanced machine if you ask me, maybe not on the GPU side of things, but otherwise it isnt close.

Future will suck for me then, i prefer to keep my game i bought, not just rent its from someone on their own terms.

some of it is. most of it is just mountains being made out of mole hills over things that won't even affect a number of people.

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Is having to connect online (within 24hrs) to play offline games justified?
Is not being able to sell your games directly to friends or other players justified?
Is having tight restrictions on loaning a game to a friend (only once) justified?
Is $100 more than the main competing console (with no discernable technical advantage) justified?

How you answer these will answer your own question.

AdobeArtist

yes yes yes yes..... I have, its called evolution towards the digital platform. I see Microsoft vision, I accept it, and deal with the pros and cons. Discs dont work for me compared to digital. I think always on connected devices are a good thing so i understand them doing that, they could of made it always online as well. Gamestop **cheats** me, rather have Microsoft **cheat** me and maybe get cheaper deals like they do on steam. as for the price I think xbox is offering a ton more? Its a much more advanced machine if you ask me, maybe not on the GPU side of things, but otherwise it isnt close.

Let's see if MS will offer steam-like deals since you can't make your money back on a game if it sucks. The steam model on PC works because of the pricing.

seems plausible they would, if the sales are suffering which they might be at the onset, this definitely is a way, plus you can give it to a friend or family member, and you can resale it, to gamespot probably for the same price as the PS4 offerings if its a multiplat? all we will see, i think so, they have too.

some of it is. most of it is just mountains being made out of mole hills over things that won't even affect a number of people.

CaseyWegner

well it is downright dispicible that we dont have internet a requirement for people in this day and age. It should be goverments resposiblity but thats another debate. Its time to evolve this shit dont you think?

Is having to connect online (within 24hrs) to play offline games justified?
Is not being able to sell your games directly to friends or through e-bay justified?
Is having tight restrictions on loaning a game to a friend (only once) justified?
Is $100 more than the main competing console (with no discernable technical advantage) justified?

How you answer these will answer your own question.

AdobeArtist

some of it is. most of it is just mountains being made out of mole hills over things that won't even affect a number of people.

CaseyWegner

This much is also true.

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Is having to connect online (within 24hrs) to play offline games justified?
Is not being able to sell your games directly to friends or other players justified?
Is having tight restrictions on loaning a game to a friend (only once) justified?
Is $100 more than the main competing console (with no discernable technical advantage) justified?

How you answer these will answer your own question.

NathanDrakeSwag

yes yes yes yes..... I have, its called evolution towards the digital platform. I see Microsoft vision, I accept it, and deal with the pros and cons. Discs dont work for me compared to digital. I think always on connected devices are a good thing so i understand them doing that, they could of made it always online as well. Gamestop rapes me, rather have Microsoft rape me and maybe get cheaper deals like they do on steam. as for the price I think xbox is offering a ton more? Its a much more advanced machine if you ask me, maybe not on the GPU side of things, but otherwise it isnt close.

We know we know.

:lol:

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Is having to connect online (within 24hrs) to play offline games justified?
Is not being able to sell your games directly to friends or through e-bay justified?
Is having tight restrictions on loaning a game to a friend (only once) justified?
Is $100 more than the main competing console (with no discernable technical advantage) justified?

How you answer these will answer your own question.

Kraken422

dude i got maddddddddd respect for you. a 16 with 6 posts, damn you hold your ground.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

some of it is. most of it is just mountains being made out of mole hills over things that won't even affect a number of people.

Mr720fan

well it is downright dispicible that we dont have internet a requirement for people in this day and age. It should be goverments resposiblity but thats another debate. Its time to evolve this shit dont you think?

government mandated internet access? like provided for free or something?

[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

some of it is. most of it is just mountains being made out of mole hills over things that won't even affect a number of people.

CaseyWegner

well it is downright dispicible that we dont have internet a requirement for people in this day and age. It should be goverments resposiblity but thats another debate. Its time to evolve this shit dont you think?

government mandated internet access? like provided for free or something?

no but just have them pressure the telecoms to provide it and maybe give them kickbacks, i mean come on let the people have god damn internet. its 2013, its should be like a phone 20th century

The response to the XBox One has been astounding, it seems that everyone has jumped on the hate bandwagon, but is that hate justified? 

There seems to be four key issues causing the gaming community's negative response; 24 hour checks, Konnect always-on, the used game policy and the price. Are these really issues, or is a community notorious for whining simply whining again?

First things first let's look at the 24 hour online check-in. In my opinion this isn't too bad, we(gamespot users) all have the internet as does the vast majority of people in the market for a console. If your internet is regularly down for more than 24 hour periods that's something you should take up with your ISP not Microsoft. In regards to this particular issue it seems that people got all worked up by the always-on rumour that once they turned out to be false they never got worked down.

The next issue is Konnect always being on and the fear that it's going to spy on you, to me this is blown out of proportion even more than the 24 hour check-in. People's phobia towards Konnect suggests that there is either a serious issue with paranoia or people are looking to hate the XBox One. While it's true that the XBox One will most likely record information about your preferences for commercial gain it's going to be no more than Google or Facebook do. It won't be recording you while it's in stand-by (this is easily tested by someone in the know) in fact Konnect almost definitely will not be part of the XBox One's information farming at all. Microsoft really can't get anything of much value for them through a camera.

At this point your probably thinking, "Oh God! Another Microsoft Fanboy", but I'm actually trying to be objective and approach this from a non-biased point of view, something that's been happening very little on this site. So now a look at the used games policy, and this is where things start to get negative. While I personally don't but or resell my games I appreciate that a lot of other people do and anything that puts the possibility and affordability of this in doubt IS a bad thing. The part of this that bothers me is not being able to lend games. My brother and I both own 360s, we lend each other games regularly and it's the same with my friends. The used game policy is a definite issue, and while it might not be enough to refuse to buy the console it can't be ignored.

Finally the price. It's $100 more expensive than it's main competitor. Why? You get more, kind of. Yes I'm quite sure that the reason for the higher price tag is Microsoft's attempt to make a media platform, but here's the thing, I just want a games console. I don't want to pay extra for a Konnect unit who's features don't appeal to me. I don't want to pay extra for TV integration that doesn't only not appeal to me but probably isn't available in my country. I'm sure I'm not alone on this front, having to pay for features we aren't going to use is an issue.

So what will I buy? XBox One or PS4? Well at this point it's too early to say. As always I'm going to wait a while for the price drop but my decision isn't going to be based on any of the issues stated above, my decision is going to be based on exclusives. Consoles are for games and games are what should dictate which console we buy. XBox One certainly has some down sides but if I prefer it's games library that's the console I'll purchase. If PS4 has the better games library then I'll be buying a PS4.

Now I want to know what you think. Which, if any of these issues are going to stop you from buying an XBox One? What is most important to you when buying a new console? Have I missed key issues with the XBox One? And most of all: Is the XBox One hate justified?

tl;dr Is the XBox One hate Justified? What is important to you when buying a console? 

Kraken422

people are mad that Microsoft absolutely slaughtered sony at e3. it was a bloodbath. :(

people are mad that Microsoft absolutely slaughtered sony at e3. it was a bloodbath. :(

KarateeeChop

people are mad that Microsoft absolutely slaughtered sony at e3. it was a bloodbath. :(

KarateeeChop

the only thing sony had to say was what it didnt include. Gaming wise it got killed, Killer Instinct and Titanfall stole the show. Forza 5 skull penetrated Drive club, sunset overdrive, Halo 5, i mean come on, bloodbath is right, i think people are getting over the DRM.... thank God.

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

people are mad that Microsoft absolutely slaughtered sony at e3. it was a bloodbath. :(

Granny_Spanked

:lol:

I wonder if this guy was watching the same e3 that I and the rest of the world watched where xbox dick-punched themselves endlessly?

I would say yes and no. The bottom line it's not so much their policies and their restrictions more than how they came out and explained it. They came off as arrogrant, and pompous a**holes. On top of it they needed like 5 different MS Reps to come out and explain it in different interviews. Finally, an MS Game Studios dev came out and made more sense and explained it a lot better then any of the upper execs did, who by the way are the face of the XBOX brand. It's a good system and I understand why they are doing what they are doing and whether you want to believe it or not they are trying to move the industry forward and do some really cool things. BUT come out and explain how it will benefit gamers and will be better in the end. Don't come out and half ass it and not explain it well as well as be arrogant about it.

I think a lot of this will blow over, and heck who knows maybe some of their restrictions that don't make sense, like the 24 hour check it, will be removed. But I can say they definitely turned away a lot of people.

If you could answer the question, "why X1 is under-powered yet more expensive?" you'll hopefully get part of the true reason why it's hated.

And if you could answer the question "Is it a good thing to have an always on mic and camera pointed at you all the time with a waiver you need to sign that data might be transmitted carrying personal information to MS?" then you'll hopefully get another part of the true reason why it's hated.

And if you could combine the reasoning of the above along with many others like 24 hour check-ins, the deep understanding of the implication of rented license rather than ownership, and hardware region locking, you will hopefully not only understand why it's hated, but the extent to which it is hated and why it is heralded as anti-consumer product by gamers and the media.

I would say yes and no. The bottom line it's not so much their policies and their restrictions more than how they came out and explained it. They came off as arrogrant, and pompous a**holes. On top of it they needed like 5 different MS Reps to come out and explain it in different interviews. Finally, an MS Game Studios dev came out and made more sense and explained it a lot better then any of the upper execs did, who by the way are the face of the XBOX brand. It's a good system and I understand why they are doing what they are doing and whether you want to believe it or not they are trying to move the industry forward and do some really cool things. BUT come out and explain how it will benefit gamers and will be better in the end. Don't come out and half ass it and not explain it well as well as be arrogant about it.

I think a lot of this will blow over, and heck who knows maybe some of their restrictions that don't make sense, like the 24 hour check it, will be removed. But I can say they definitely turned away a lot of people.

xscrapzx

[QUOTE="Granny_Spanked"][QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

people are mad that Microsoft absolutely slaughtered sony at e3. it was a bloodbath. :(

jer_1

:lol:

I wonder if this guy was watching the same e3 that I and the rest of the world watched where xbox dick-punched themselves endlessly?

First off great post, TC. I appreciate the objectiveness. I am buying an xboxone, and a PS4. I owned both offerings for two gens now, so I'll do so again. Is the hatejustified? I believe that is a personal thing for each individual to answer. But if you're a cow, or sheep, or hermit, who was never going to buy a competitor's system, why do you care? You know who you are people. You know your love of a company and hate for another wasnt going to change no matter what they x1 was offering. I have no problem with 24 hour checks, have never lost internet for a day, unless it happened in field deployment training. And if it does I'll play another system, or get this.......read a book. I know I'm weird. Kinect always on and "what if they're spying on me" is such a BS, complaint. Everyone and their mother has cell phone with a camera these days. Nobody gets away with anything, because we film ourselves. And if you have something to fear, then maybe you need to be watched? Used games is a negative, no doubt. I see the possible positives for devs, but bottom line it will hurt x1 sales, and I expect a change after sluggish sales. The price tag doesnt bother me, but they could've set themselves up for a $350 price if they offered it without kinect. That would have been killer. Bad move MS. Still, it will have games I want to play that PS4 doesnt so I will be buying it.cainetao11

I agree with you on all points the only difference being I apparently don't have as much money as you. I would love to buy both consoles but that won't be a possibility for a while yet. For someone in my position(student), where money is tight, the price of the XBox One will have an effect. Had they not bundled it with the Kinect and made it $350-$400 then it would become a much more viable option for people like me. Make me want to buy the Kinect, don't make me have to buy it.

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]First off great post, TC. I appreciate the objectiveness. I am buying an xboxone, and a PS4. I owned both offerings for two gens now, so I'll do so again. Is the hatejustified? I believe that is a personal thing for each individual to answer. But if you're a cow, or sheep, or hermit, who was never going to buy a competitor's system, why do you care? You know who you are people. You know your love of a company and hate for another wasnt going to change no matter what they x1 was offering. I have no problem with 24 hour checks, have never lost internet for a day, unless it happened in field deployment training. And if it does I'll play another system, or get this.......read a book. I know I'm weird. Kinect always on and "what if they're spying on me" is such a BS, complaint. Everyone and their mother has cell phone with a camera these days. Nobody gets away with anything, because we film ourselves. And if you have something to fear, then maybe you need to be watched? Used games is a negative, no doubt. I see the possible positives for devs, but bottom line it will hurt x1 sales, and I expect a change after sluggish sales. The price tag doesnt bother me, but they could've set themselves up for a $350 price if they offered it without kinect. That would have been killer. Bad move MS. Still, it will have games I want to play that PS4 doesnt so I will be buying it.Kraken422

I agree with you on all points the only difference being I apparently don't have as much money as you. I would love to buy both consoles but that won't be a possibility for a while yet. For someone in my position(student), where money is tight, the price of the XBox One will have an effect. Had they not bundled it with the Kinect and made it $350-$400 then it would become a much more viable option for people like me. Make me want to buy the Kinect, don't make me have to buy it.

i dont think money will be a problem for you in the lifetime of the xbox 1. you will be getting it and you will love it, i guess ps4 first for you though?

[QUOTE="santoron"][QUOTE="PrjectNatalFans latest troll account"] Blah blah blah ....Mr720fan

oh you mad.... ProjectNatalFan on xbl, add me

Having the ignorant around helps with the lul factor here.  Guys like you make it easier to show the ignorance of blind fanboyism AND provide the occasional chuckle.  I just hope you can stand to stick around longer this time. :lol:  History says you won't.