Is Total War, the most Complex and Deepest Franchise of Our Time?

This is true. And judging by your user name, I'm assuming you're accustomed to those kinds of games on your "platform". Camping simulators like Arma. Kiddie Pixar shooters like Team Fortress. "Hur dur we had cool physics like a decade ago" shooters like Half Life 2. Or babies first twitch shooter, Counter Strike.

I get it man. That's the kind of slop you're used to.

Fortunately, Uncharted is neither brainless, nor is it a shooter. Uncharted transcends genre. It's a synthesis of mastery across multiple genres. It took platforming, puzzle solving, melee combat, and shooting to heights never seen before, even individually, and combined them seamlessly into an epic masterpiece of a trilogy. I'd be willing to concede that it's arguable that Little Big Planet might approach the Uncharted series as far as top tier platforming goes, but even that is questionable.

Uncharted manages to be the apex of a thinking mans game, but even beyond testing your wits, it demands the highest level of reflexes that a human being is capable of. From navigating perilous ruins, to solving puzzles that are true to the adventures of real life archaeologists, to surviving conflicts with life-like ruthless enemies that would even have a Navy Seal shaking in their boots, Uncharted is the total package and the magnum opus of this industries efforts.

Some day, when you're ready to put down that tool that is used for emails and pick up a real gaming machine, with a real controller, you will get to experience a true masterpiece.

I think you should pick up Shogun 2. It's streamlined and best Total War for new comers. Just complete the tutorials and switch to easier difficulties if you are having a problem. There will also be an option of choosing "short" or "long" campaign. In short campaign, you will have to conquer less settlements than the longer one but keep in mind that the real events take place during longer campaigns and last longer with a lot of memorable moments.

Civilization

Is one of the simplest 4X strategy games ever made. It's the game you play to actually learn how 4X games work. Doesn't stop it from being really great though.

Wow. This is the most skillful trolling I have ever seen, pretty much a dying art nowadays. @Heil68 Take some notes, Heil. Your routine became pretty stale lately XD

This is true. And judging by your user name, I'm assuming you're accustomed to those kinds of games on your "platform". Camping simulators like Arma. Kiddie Pixar shooters like Team Fortress. "Hur dur we had cool physics like a decade ago" shooters like Half Life 2. Or babies first twitch shooter, Counter Strike.

I get it man. That's the kind of slop you're used to.

Fortunately, Uncharted is neither brainless, nor is it a shooter. Uncharted transcends genre. It's a synthesis of mastery across multiple genres. It took platforming, puzzle solving, melee combat, and shooting to heights never seen before, even individually, and combined them seamlessly into an epic masterpiece of a trilogy. I'd be willing to concede that it's arguable that Little Big Planet might approach the Uncharted series as far as top tier platforming goes, but even that is questionable.

Uncharted manages to be the apex of a thinking mans game, but even beyond testing your wits, it demands the highest level of reflexes that a human being is capable of. From navigating perilous ruins, to solving puzzles that are true to the adventures of real life archaeologists, to surviving conflicts with life-like ruthless enemies that would even have a Navy Seal shaking in their boots, Uncharted is the total package and the magnum opus of this industries efforts.

Some day, when you're ready to put down that tool that is used for emails and pick up a real gaming machine, with a real controller, you will get to experience a true masterpiece.

10/10

@remiks00 said:

@aigis said:

Well, things like these happens when companies like sega and ea take over. :(

@Cloud_imperium: ...and? Are you having fun playing rock,paper & scissor? Because that's pretty much total war, but I guess you would need real time for that.

That would be a fine analogy if there were only 3 units types in any of the games.

Just out of interest, how would you go about removing a phalanx holding a breached gateway, who are being covered by archers above the gate with their flanks protected by heavy swordsmen on the walls to either side?

Total War is a great game but please for the love of god stop acting like it is some strategic master piece.. The game is known for incredibly bad AI, has always had extremely bare bones diplomatic and economic models, and the like.... Nor has realism in many of those games ranked very highly on the list, hence why there have been massive mod overhauls in changing the game.. It is a great game, but heck no is it come close to the top 4x games out there in overall depth..

In fact that is why I enjoy Total War a lot because it has a happy medium of arcade action with strategy in it..

trolling... unfarted... unfarted... casual.

Well Uncharted 2 is a TOP 5 GOAT, there are no Total Wars in top 10 even.

You just told me everything I need to know about your maturity level, and in turn, your IQ (or lack thereof).

As I said in my initial post, Uncharted is for the intellectual gamer. It's for players of a refined taste.

When you have to resort to bathroom humor to make your point, and accuse me of trolling in an effort to deflect my legitimate, well thought out arguments, you're essentially proving my point whilst at the same time throwing in the proverbial towel.

But don't fret my friend. Read a book. Educate yourself. Strive for the knowledge that may some day elevate you from the McJob status to dinner parties with Tom Cruise. The path will be long and winding, but the destination will be well worth the effort.

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Have a glance at this fine specimen:

Clear. Concise. Straight to the point with nothing but FACTS. Responsible knowledge with perfect execution. Even I could stand to learn a thing or two here.

And that's what it's all about really. Keep an open mind and continue to thirst for knowledge my friend.

I partly disagree, the campaign is obviously lacking, I wont deny that ;however, no other game has ever been able to recreate large scale battles like the total war franchise has done over and over again. One of the oldest total war games, specifically rome 1 has even been used by the bbc to recreate historical events

X3 Albion Prelude and X3 Terran Conflict seem to have a great deal of complexity especially when you're watching the market for high prices to sell your goods.

I dont understand why some people put so much time and effort into trolling. What's the point with this crap beside winning the system wars awards.

The OP describing basic Strategy game 101, lists the simplest of "4X" mechanics and then talks about scale in a thread about justifying depth. How cute.

But hell no. Total War has more breadth than it has depth. It uses that scope of mechanics to deliver a gameplay loop where its turn-based phase informs its real time one to give the campaigns a nice rhythm and flow. Neither its turn based or real time phases matches up to the depth of what other strategy games offer that specialize in them, but that's fine. Total War has always succeeded in engaging the player with strategic variety to keep its modes of gameplay fresh.

I love Total War. But let's not pretend that it's some pinnacle of depth and complexity. Particularly within the scope PC strategy games where credit to go to other, less popular titles that are more deserving. This is an era where Europa Universalis, Wargame, Distant Worlds or Hearts of Iron exist.

@Cloud_imperium: Answer is no, the reason, DX11 limitation forced individual units to be batch together and heavy instancing usage (i.e. recycling the same model multiple times) which caused the simulation model to be simplified. Ashes of Singularity DX12 doesn't have DX11 imposed limitation.

Ashes of Singularity's DX12 3D engine can handle Total War's scenarios with better simulation accuracy.

Well, I tried. If only this board had more traffic.

The OP describing basic Strategy game 101, lists the simplest of "4X" mechanics and then talks about scale in a thread about justifying depth. How cute.

But hell no. Total War has more breadth than it has depth. It uses that scope of mechanics to deliver a gameplay loop where its turn-based phase informs its real time one to give the campaigns a nice rhythm and flow. Neither its turn based or real time phases matches up to the depth of what other strategy games offer that specialize in them, but that's fine. Total War has always succeeded in engaging the player with strategic variety to keep its modes of gameplay fresh.

I love Total War. But let's not pretend that it's some pinnacle of depth and complexity. Particularly within the scope PC strategy games where credit to go to other, less popular titles that are more deserving. This is an era where Europa Universalis, Wargame, Distant Worlds or Hearts of Iron exist.

You are a lot more fun to talk to than lostrib, he just tries to play stupid while asking a bunch of pointless questions.

I actually think Attila was rather underrated, bit DLC heavy but the core game was very good. Pretty challenging and the whole nomadic factions thing along with the fact that winters get harsher in the north and the Huns start sweeping across Europe make it pretty compelling.

I love Shogun 2 as much as the next guy but Attila was right up there.

Yeah...but i'm going to go with LMAO of course not...

They are immersive, i give you that...but complex...definitely not, or at least not that much, once you know how to exploit the enemy AI it gets really dumb, i was playing Rome a few years ago and i was so excited when i managed to win a fight by having a bunch of units holding a bridge against a bigger force, it truly felt like a true war strategy...then, i did it again...and again...and again...search narrow spot and then win.

For complex games i'm going to go with more competitive franchises like DOTA since there are tons of sstrategies available, team work involved and a huge amount of variety thanks to the nature of the heroes.

For deepest franchise i will have to go with the grand daddy of figthing games...Guilty Gear.

And for single player games, i will say that a game like Pillars of Eternity is far more complex than Total War.

Dota doesnt have much to do with strategy, more like spamming a bunch of abilities, retreating and attacking, retreating and attacking, quite boring honestly. Men of war and wargame offers a lot more in terms of tactics and strategies. Total war would do much better if the ai wasnt that stupid.

I actually think Attila was rather underrated, bit DLC heavy but the core game was very good. Pretty challenging and the whole nomadic factions thing along with the fact that winters get harsher in the north and the Huns start sweeping across Europe make it pretty compelling.

I love Shogun 2 as much as the next guy but Attila was right up there.

Yup,,, I have no idea why some people pretend that Attila never existed and always mention Rome 2's launch and compare it with Warhammer Total War. And the funny thing is, Gamespot rated it lower than Rome 2.

Rome 2 was a mess on launch. Attila is way better game and deserves more attention and better reception than it got. But then again, it wasn't marketed as well as Rome 2, so critics weren't hyped I guess.