Is Walmart still the savior for HD DVD, and death to ps3?

[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="alfy13"]Earlier this week we had lot's of thread saying that Walmart and HD DVD is going to kill Blu Ray and PS3. but this link from y esterday has confused me.  What do you guys think? it seems walmart has debunked the rumors . tango90101

i wouldn't count your chickens just yet.

i makes sense to deny at this point. No agreements are made and an admission could have far reaching impacts on walmart's financial goals.

remember, walmart also hid the fact they were even going to sell hdtv for a long time, until TA-DA.."now we sell hdtv".... of course they only did so once hdtv came down to a reasonable price.

once hd dvd gets to the critical price point, walmart's all over it, with cheap chinese production.

wait for it kiddies...it's coming... and there's nothing sony can do to stop it.

but, walmart won't necessarily spell the doom of bluray.. sony's pricing has already seen to that...;)

YOu seem to be guessing more than anything.  It's funny, because you don't seem know anything about the industry. 

That's why I find it funny in a game website people claim to have knowledge of the movie industry.  It's one reason why I thought the whole thing about cheap HD players would be the doom of Blu-Ray was just ridiculous.  Both are going to have cheaper hardware come 4th qtr.  Wal-Mart would never declare a winner right out like people claimed....the story was bogous and so was everyone's opinion that was based on said report.

The real difference is right now Fox, Disney, and Columbia (SOE) are only making Blu-Ray movies.  Universal atm is the only exclusive for HD.  How exactly does that look from Wal-Marts point of view.....let's see:

This weeks boxoffice releases that came out for Blu-Ray - Night at the Museum ($234 million boxoffice), Deja Vu ($64 million), and The Queen ($50 million).

This weeks boxoffice releases that came out for HD............. 

In the next few months this is what it will look like for exclusives for both sides:

BluRay - Happily Never After (16 mill), Catch and Release ($15 mill), Stomp The Yard ($61 mill), Apocalypto ($50 mill), Blood & Chocolate ($3 mill), Curse of the Golden Flower ($6 mill), The Messengers ($35 mill), Ghost Rider ($115 mill), Primeval ($10 mill), Bridge to Terabithia ($81 mill)

HD - Alpha Dog ($16 mill), Hitcher ($16 mill), Black Christmas ($16 mill), Breach ($33 mill) 

 Projected titles releasing from July-Aug this year exclusive:

Blu-Ray - Premonition ($47 mill), Regin Over Me ($14 mill), Hills Have Eyes 2 ($21 mill), Wild Hogs ($156 mill), Meet the Robinsons ($82 mill), Are We Done Yet ($39 mill), Perfect Stranger ($18 mill)

HD - Dead Silence ($16 mill)

So from May-June you have approx 10 exclusive BluRay boxoffice movies that have made $392 in the theather.  In comparison, HD has 4 titles that did a total of $81 mill in the boxoffice.  There is no comparison who will be leading in software sales in that time frame, it's a NO BRAINER.

Now lets look at the projected July-Aug releases that are exclusive.....Blu-Ray has 7 titles that did $377 mill in the boxoffice.  HD has 1 title that did $16 mill.  Again, BluRay will win the software sales because NEW RELEASES are what sale right now.

This is not even counting Pirates of the C. 3 and Spidey 3 being exclusive in the 4th qtr.  It's insane to think Blu-Ray will lose at this moment in time.  It looks more like "how can they lose".  Do I say it's over, of course not but people presuming Blu-Ray is going to lose is not looking at the current facts.

1. there are NO Disney branded bluray movies out..  keep the Buena Vista ones... we're talking about the clout of the Disney name...

2. congrats on your bluray movies...too bad they weren't on hd dvd..  4 times as many people will have watched them...;)

3. the only "current facts" you have is verbal studio support (disney) and bluray movies sales numbers including free bluray movies.

4. porn, na and eu is backing hd dvd.... yet somehow the ps3 (last place console) and Disney (with their ZERO movie support) is somehow clout enough to beat porn, na and eu?    rich....:roll:

So basically your response is.....its too bad for stuidos because they could make more money on HD.....and porn will be the downfall of Blu-Ray.  Wow, how may I retort to such fabulous arguements ROFL.

1) Maybe stuidos know something you don't and that is why it's exclusive to Blu-Ray......I know, I know.....them knowing more than you on their industry, how can that be?

2) First you say Wal-mart is going to decide the winner but now it's porn.  If that is all you got, you must be really desperate lol.  One word.....free porn on the internet.  No doubt porn is huge industry but it will not decide the winner in the format war. 

Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic :roll:tonythestudent

if you actually read them i addressed:

1. walmarts committment to low prices.

2. walmarts history of taking biz from other big box retailers.

3. walmarts history of hi def hardware.

4. NA and EU backing of hd dvd, giving walmart a market waaaaaaaay too big to ignore.

5. pricing advantages of hd dvd over bluray and how they fall in line with Walmart's philosophy.

6. the importance of hardware over software sales at this point.

yet, you ignored ALL of that, for "Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic "..?

just. wow.

[QUOTE="tonythestudent"]Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic :roll:tango90101

if you actually read them i addressed:

1. walmarts committment to low prices.

2. walmarts history of taking biz from other big box retailers.

3. walmarts history of hi def hardware.

4. NA and EU backing of hd dvd, giving walmart a market waaaaaaaay too big to ignore.

5. pricing advantages of hd dvd over bluray and how they fall in line with Walmart's philosophy.

6. the importance of hardware over software sales at this point.

yet, you ignored ALL of that, for "Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic "..?

just. wow.

Most of those are extensions of your opinion.  However, since you present them as fact and allow no room for debate, or the possibility that you may be wrong, you stifle any meaningful debate. 

[QUOTE="tonythestudent"]Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic :roll:tango90101

if you actually read them i addressed:

1. walmarts committment to low prices.

2. walmarts history of taking biz from other big box retailers.

3. walmarts history of hi def hardware.

4. NA and EU backing of hd dvd, giving walmart a market waaaaaaaay too big to ignore.

5. pricing advantages of hd dvd over bluray and how they fall in line with Walmart's philosophy.

6. the importance of hardware over software sales at this point.

yet, you ignored ALL of that, for "Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic "..?

just. wow.

Then show us a link....

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

facts that you don't know about equate to "opinion and conjecture" or "unfounded claims".... ?

interesting..

i've given you evidence why wally will move this way, but it's moot to you becuase individual movies sales are somehow paramount at the BEGINNING OF A ROLLOUT...

good gawd... :roll:

i just hope you have the courage to stick around here when they do announced cheap hd dvd players at walmart with chinese backing... i can't wait to read your excuses...

ramey70

You've given evidince to support your theory as to why they may do something.  However, you've presented nothing such as a company memo, sales receipt, executive interview, etc. showing that they have in fact been eyeing HD-DVD.   I'm not saying your claim is wrong, only that it can't be presented as fact.

In addition, why would I have to apologize for anything?  I've never made the claim that Walmart won't sell chinese made HD-DVD players.  I've only said we do not know yet and we should wait till it's announced.   Further, as a being neither a "fan" of HD-DVD or Bluray I would have no excuses to make.  I'm neutral if you've forgotten.

 the fact walmart has been watching hd dvd since china got the technology is no secret, especially given Walmart's $20 billion trade defecit with China and climbing.....

the evidence is there, but i guess you can not see anything if you close your eyes hard enough...;)

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="tonythestudent"]Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic :roll:tonythestudent

if you actually read them i addressed:

1. walmarts committment to low prices.

2. walmarts history of taking biz from other big box retailers.

3. walmarts history of hi def hardware.

4. NA and EU backing of hd dvd, giving walmart a market waaaaaaaay too big to ignore.

5. pricing advantages of hd dvd over bluray and how they fall in line with Walmart's philosophy.

6. the importance of hardware over software sales at this point.

yet, you ignored ALL of that, for "Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic "..?

just. wow.

Then show us a link....

to what?  walmart's history?  wth...:lol:

you'll get the link that walmart is going to back hd dvd players primarily in about 6 months, if my estimations are correct, and they always are...;)

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="tonythestudent"]Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic :roll:ramey70

if you actually read them i addressed:

1. walmarts committment to low prices.

2. walmarts history of taking biz from other big box retailers.

3. walmarts history of hi def hardware.

4. NA and EU backing of hd dvd, giving walmart a market waaaaaaaay too big to ignore.

5. pricing advantages of hd dvd over bluray and how they fall in line with Walmart's philosophy.

6. the importance of hardware over software sales at this point.

yet, you ignored ALL of that, for "Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic "..?

just. wow.

Most of those are extensions of your opinion.  However, since you present them as fact and allow no room for debate, or the possibility that you may be wrong, you stifle any meaningful debate. 

the fact you called them opinions just PROVED you have ZERO knowledge of walmart..

thanks...

i'm  out for lunch...

c-ya soon...;)

[QUOTE="tonythestudent"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="tonythestudent"]Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic :roll:tango90101

if you actually read them i addressed:

1. walmarts committment to low prices.

2. walmarts history of taking biz from other big box retailers.

3. walmarts history of hi def hardware.

4. NA and EU backing of hd dvd, giving walmart a market waaaaaaaay too big to ignore.

5. pricing advantages of hd dvd over bluray and how they fall in line with Walmart's philosophy.

6. the importance of hardware over software sales at this point.

yet, you ignored ALL of that, for "Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic "..?

just. wow.

Then show us a link....

to what?  walmart's history?  wth...:lol:

you'll get the link that walmart is going to back hd dvd players primarily in about 6 months, if my estimations are correct, and they always are...;)

So basically you're guessing?  Thanks that's all i needed to know. 

[QUOTE="tonythestudent"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="tonythestudent"]Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic :roll:tango90101

if you actually read them i addressed:

1. walmarts committment to low prices.

2. walmarts history of taking biz from other big box retailers.

3. walmarts history of hi def hardware.

4. NA and EU backing of hd dvd, giving walmart a market waaaaaaaay too big to ignore.

5. pricing advantages of hd dvd over bluray and how they fall in line with Walmart's philosophy.

6. the importance of hardware over software sales at this point.

yet, you ignored ALL of that, for "Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic "..?

just. wow.

Then show us a link....

to what? walmart's history? wth...:lol:

you'll get the link that walmart is going to back hd dvd players primarily in about 6 months, if my estimations are correct, and they always are...;)

Like when you predicted that Fox and Disney were going neutral at CES 2007? 

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="tonythestudent"]Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic :roll:tango90101

if you actually read them i addressed:

1. walmarts committment to low prices.

2. walmarts history of taking biz from other big box retailers.

3. walmarts history of hi def hardware.

4. NA and EU backing of hd dvd, giving walmart a market waaaaaaaay too big to ignore.

5. pricing advantages of hd dvd over bluray and how they fall in line with Walmart's philosophy.

6. the importance of hardware over software sales at this point.

yet, you ignored ALL of that, for "Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic "..?

just. wow.

Most of those are extensions of your opinion. However, since you present them as fact and allow no room for debate, or the possibility that you may be wrong, you stifle any meaningful debate.

the fact you called them opinions just PROVED you have ZERO knowledge of walmart..

thanks...

i'm out for lunch...

c-ya soon...;)

I never said they were your opinions. 

If you want my opinion on why software sales are so much greater for Blu-Ray when HD hardware sales are that much better than Blu-Ray.....it's because of the titles essentailly.  As I stated in my previous post, the amount of exclusive titles Blu-Ray has going for it is the ONLY reason why it continues to annilate HD (in terms of software sales).  You can't expect older catalogue titles to outsell current boxoffice titles.  Those are the facts.  The longer Blu-Ray keeps those stuidos exclusive, the more people are going to want a Blu-Ray player.  After all, what good is an HD player if you can't watch the majority of the new movies? 

Isn't that what these players are for after all?  Watching movies?  Majority of people want to watch the new movies, not the old rehash of Mad Max or Bruce Almighty.  Watch what happens this 4th qtr......if Fox will only release their boxoffice movies on Blu-Ray (as well as Disney/Buena Vista....which are the same company basically) HD has a problem.  It does no good for Wal-Mart to say...."here is a cheap player, sorry but 1 out 4 movies can't be seen on it".  I've been in the rental/sale thru business for over 10 years.  Blu-Ray has made the correct deals at this time.  HD may be better hardware wise as well as price wise but at the moment none of that matters.  Without software, you are doomed.  Spiderman 3 and Pirates of the C. 3 could be the final nail in the coffin.

If you want my opinion on why software sales are so much greater for Blu-Ray when HD hardware sales are that much better than Blu-Ray.....it's because of the titles essentailly.  As I stated in my previous post, the amount of exclusive titles Blu-Ray has going for it is the ONLY reason why it continues to annilate HD (in terms of software sales).  You can't expect older catalogue titles to outsell current boxoffice titles.  Those are the facts.  The longer Blu-Ray keeps those stuidos exclusive, the more people are going to want a Blu-Ray player.  After all, what good is an HD player if you can't watch the majority of the new movies? 

Isn't that what these players are for after all?  Watching movies?  Majority of people want to watch the new movies, not the old rehash of Mad Max or Bruce Almighty.  Watch what happens this 4th qtr......if Fox will only release their boxoffice movies on Blu-Ray (as well as Disney/Buena Vista....which are the same company basically) HD has a problem.  It does no good for Wal-Mart to say...."here is a cheap player, sorry but 1 out 4 movies can't be seen on it".  I've been in the rental/sale thru business for over 10 years.  Blu-Ray has made the correct deals at this time.  HD may be better hardware wise as well as price wise but at the moment none of that matters.  Without software, you are doomed.  Spiderman 3 and Pirates of the C. 3 could be the final nail in the coffin.

darthogre

The main reason is movies as well as the addition of Blu ray on the PS3.  They have already compared the movie The Departed and found the Blu ray sold more then the HD DVD version.  They released at the same time so unless blu ray fans bought three copies of this movie each, it seems more likly that PS3 owners are chipping in on the Blu ray sales in a big way.  You also have to look at the time in which Blu ray sales started to outsell the HD DVD's, it started right after the launch of the PS3.  Its kind of hard to not to see that putting a blu ray player in peoples homes will lead to them using it.

In another point of irony,  Tango claims that you can't count Disney's support for Bluray because no Bluray movies are currently available with their brand as of yet.  However,  the Walmart/HD-DVD deal is to be taken as fact even though none are actually available for sale.ramey70

i didn't say it was a fact......yet...

only that it's coming...

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="tonythestudent"]Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic :roll:ramey70

if you actually read them i addressed:

1. walmarts committment to low prices.

2. walmarts history of taking biz from other big box retailers.

3. walmarts history of hi def hardware.

4. NA and EU backing of hd dvd, giving walmart a market waaaaaaaay too big to ignore.

5. pricing advantages of hd dvd over bluray and how they fall in line with Walmart's philosophy.

6. the importance of hardware over software sales at this point.

yet, you ignored ALL of that, for "Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic "..?

just. wow.

Most of those are extensions of your opinion. However, since you present them as fact and allow no room for debate, or the possibility that you may be wrong, you stifle any meaningful debate.

the fact you called them opinions just PROVED you have ZERO knowledge of walmart..

thanks...

i'm out for lunch...

c-ya soon...;)

I never said they were your opinions. 

"Most of those are extensions of your opinion"

um...okay....

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="tonythestudent"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="tonythestudent"]Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic :roll:tonythestudent

if you actually read them i addressed:

1. walmarts committment to low prices.

2. walmarts history of taking biz from other big box retailers.

3. walmarts history of hi def hardware.

4. NA and EU backing of hd dvd, giving walmart a market waaaaaaaay too big to ignore.

5. pricing advantages of hd dvd over bluray and how they fall in line with Walmart's philosophy.

6. the importance of hardware over software sales at this point.

yet, you ignored ALL of that, for "Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic "..?

just. wow.

Then show us a link....

to what?  walmart's history?  wth...:lol:

you'll get the link that walmart is going to back hd dvd players primarily in about 6 months, if my estimations are correct, and they always are...;)

So basically you're guessing?  Thanks that's all i needed to know. 

it's more than a guess that walmart will sell affordable hd dvd players...

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="tonythestudent"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="tonythestudent"]Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic :roll:ramey70

if you actually read them i addressed:

1. walmarts committment to low prices.

2. walmarts history of taking biz from other big box retailers.

3. walmarts history of hi def hardware.

4. NA and EU backing of hd dvd, giving walmart a market waaaaaaaay too big to ignore.

5. pricing advantages of hd dvd over bluray and how they fall in line with Walmart's philosophy.

6. the importance of hardware over software sales at this point.

yet, you ignored ALL of that, for "Yes tango because your posts are always so full of insight, objective and always on topic "..?

just. wow.

Then show us a link....

to what? walmart's history? wth...:lol:

you'll get the link that walmart is going to back hd dvd players primarily in about 6 months, if my estimations are correct, and they always are...;)

Like when you predicted that Fox and Disney were going neutral at CES 2007? 

Disney has not changed their stance from possibly releaseing hd dvd titles....

meanwhile they have released NO bluray movies...

Fox? who knows.... it's not over yet...  i have a feeling you're going to see a lot more than fox jumping to hd dvd if players continue to outsell bluray players 4 to 1...;)

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

If you want my opinion on why software sales are so much greater for Blu-Ray when HD hardware sales are that much better than Blu-Ray.....it's because of the titles essentailly.  As I stated in my previous post, the amount of exclusive titles Blu-Ray has going for it is the ONLY reason why it continues to annilate HD (in terms of software sales).  You can't expect older catalogue titles to outsell current boxoffice titles.  Those are the facts.  The longer Blu-Ray keeps those stuidos exclusive, the more people are going to want a Blu-Ray player.  After all, what good is an HD player if you can't watch the majority of the new movies? 

Isn't that what these players are for after all?  Watching movies?  Majority of people want to watch the new movies, not the old rehash of Mad Max or Bruce Almighty.  Watch what happens this 4th qtr......if Fox will only release their boxoffice movies on Blu-Ray (as well as Disney/Buena Vista....which are the same company basically) HD has a problem.  It does no good for Wal-Mart to say...."here is a cheap player, sorry but 1 out 4 movies can't be seen on it".  I've been in the rental/sale thru business for over 10 years.  Blu-Ray has made the correct deals at this time.  HD may be better hardware wise as well as price wise but at the moment none of that matters.  Without software, you are doomed.  Spiderman 3 and Pirates of the C. 3 could be the final nail in the coffin.

Javy03

The main reason is movies as well as the addition of Blu ray on the PS3.  They have already compared the movie The Departed and found the Blu ray sold more then the HD DVD version.  They released at the same time so unless blu ray fans bought three copies of this movie each, it seems more likly that PS3 owners are chipping in on the Blu ray sales in a big way.  You also have to look at the time in which Blu ray sales started to outsell the HD DVD's, it started right after the launch of the PS3.  Its kind of hard to not to see that putting a blu ray player in peoples homes will lead to them using it.

See I wont' even go that far because that is really a guess to be honest.  Saying PS3 is the reason, I'm not really sure of that.  You can't compare one movie like The Departed and declare there is more hardware because the sales were greater on Blu-Ray.  It could be the customers with HD players did not like the Departed movie.  That's why I say it's more of an opinion.

Now later in the year when you have multiple titles that have been released on both formats (Warner/Paramount titles will be coming in the next 2-3 months), you can then observe who wins by what amount at that time.  If Blu-Ray beats every title that is released at the same time as HD, then that looks more like evidence than opinion.  Right now I dont' feel comfortable saying one title means their are more Blu-Ray players because of PS3.

Disney has not changed their stance from possibly releaseing hd dvd titles....

meanwhile they have released NO bluray movies...

Fox? who knows.... it's not over yet...  i have a feeling you're going to see a lot more than fox jumping to hd dvd if players continue to outsell bluray players 4 to 1...;)

tango90101

You do understand that Disney and Buena Vista are the same right?

I don't disagree with your asserstions of Fox but I was lead to believe Fox was always going to be Blu-Ray all the way.  IT could change, we'll have to see.

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

Disney has not changed their stance from possibly releaseing hd dvd titles....

meanwhile they have released NO bluray movies...

Fox? who knows.... it's not over yet...  i have a feeling you're going to see a lot more than fox jumping to hd dvd if players continue to outsell bluray players 4 to 1...;)

darthogre

You do understand that Disney and Buena Vista are the same right?

I don't disagree with your asserstions of Fox but I was lead to believe Fox was always going to be Blu-Ray all the way.  IT could change, we'll have to see.

*sigh* yes... but you dont' hear anyone screaming victory because of buena vista... it' sthe disney NAME that seems to be the clout..

it can't be library size becuase other have larger movie libraries.

or you could be right and Fox could stay with Bluray... after watching Fox news i don't think anyone attached with the Fox name is all that intelligent....ZING!!!  :D

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

Disney has not changed their stance from possibly releaseing hd dvd titles....

meanwhile they have released NO bluray movies...

Fox? who knows.... it's not over yet...  i have a feeling you're going to see a lot more than fox jumping to hd dvd if players continue to outsell bluray players 4 to 1...;)

tango90101

You do understand that Disney and Buena Vista are the same right?

I don't disagree with your asserstions of Fox but I was lead to believe Fox was always going to be Blu-Ray all the way.  IT could change, we'll have to see.

*sigh* yes... but you dont' hear anyone screaming victory because of buena vista... it' sthe disney NAME that seems to be the clout..

it can't be library size becuase other have larger movie libraries.

or you could be right and Fox could stay with Bluray... after watching Fox news i don't think anyone attached with the Fox name is all that intelligent....ZING!!!  :D

Wait, you think Buena Vista is small potatoes or something?  Yes Disney is a name that sells Kids films, no doubt....actually I take that back, Pixar sales by their name alone.  Disney has proven time and time again they can not just release crap Kids titles and expect huge cash return.  I can name countless titles over the past couple of years that have flopped (Chicken Little anyone).

Yes, Bunea Vista is such a small potatoe.....HD surely wouldn't want titles like Deja Vu or the Queen to be released for them exclusively this week, huh?  How about when Wild Hogs comes out, you know the comdey that has done over $150 mill in the boxoffice.  Then they have a little flick called Pirates of the C. 3 coming out.....small indeed.

[QUOTE="ramey70"]In another point of irony, Tango claims that you can't count Disney's support for Bluray because no Bluray movies are currently available with their brand as of yet. However, the Walmart/HD-DVD deal is to be taken as fact even though none are actually available for sale.tango90101

i didn't say it was a fact......yet...

only that it's coming...

So do you deny that Disney Bluray movies are coming?  I still find it odd that you don't equate Buena Vista to Disney. 

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

facts that you don't know about equate to "opinion and conjecture" or "unfounded claims".... ?

interesting..

i've given you evidence why wally will move this way, but it's moot to you becuase individual movies sales are somehow paramount at the BEGINNING OF A ROLLOUT...

good gawd... :roll:

i just hope you have the courage to stick around here when they do announced cheap hd dvd players at walmart with chinese backing... i can't wait to read your excuses...

tango90101

You've given evidince to support your theory as to why they may do something.  However, you've presented nothing such as a company memo, sales receipt, executive interview, etc. showing that they have in fact been eyeing HD-DVD.   I'm not saying your claim is wrong, only that it can't be presented as fact.

In addition, why would I have to apologize for anything?  I've never made the claim that Walmart won't sell chinese made HD-DVD players.  I've only said we do not know yet and we should wait till it's announced.   Further, as a being neither a "fan" of HD-DVD or Bluray I would have no excuses to make.  I'm neutral if you've forgotten.

 the fact walmart has been watching hd dvd since china got the technology is no secret, especially given Walmart's $20 billion trade defecit with China and climbing.....

the evidence is there, but i guess you can not see anything if you close your eyes hard enough...;)

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

facts that you don't know about equate to "opinion and conjecture" or "unfounded claims".... ?

interesting..

i've given you evidence why wally will move this way, but it's moot to you becuase individual movies sales are somehow paramount at the BEGINNING OF A ROLLOUT...

good gawd... :roll:

i just hope you have the courage to stick around here when they do announced cheap hd dvd players at walmart with chinese backing... i can't wait to read your excuses...

alfy13

You've given evidince to support your theory as to why they may do something.  However, you've presented nothing such as a company memo, sales receipt, executive interview, etc. showing that they have in fact been eyeing HD-DVD.   I'm not saying your claim is wrong, only that it can't be presented as fact.

In addition, why would I have to apologize for anything?  I've never made the claim that Walmart won't sell chinese made HD-DVD players.  I've only said we do not know yet and we should wait till it's announced.   Further, as a being neither a "fan" of HD-DVD or Bluray I would have no excuses to make.  I'm neutral if you've forgotten.

 the fact walmart has been watching hd dvd since china got the technology is no secret, especially given Walmart's $20 billion trade defecit with China and climbing.....

the evidence is there, but i guess you can not see anything if you close your eyes hard enough...;)

let me rephrase then:  it's no secret to those with an eye and ear on the retail/hd industry.

there was actually an article in business weekly some months back that touched on the walmart/china connection and hidef plans, but i cnan't find any link, so sue me...

i really don't know what "link" you're asking for..  one that specifically says what? 

trying to live your life by links is only going to get yourself embarrassed as proven by sony's lies...;)

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]In another point of irony, Tango claims that you can't count Disney's support for Bluray because no Bluray movies are currently available with their brand as of yet. However, the Walmart/HD-DVD deal is to be taken as fact even though none are actually available for sale.ramey70

i didn't say it was a fact......yet...

only that it's coming...

So do you deny that Disney Bluray movies are coming?  I still find it odd that you don't equate Buena Vista to Disney. 

when Disney branded movies hit the market in bluray then you can celebrate..

i find it odd that you brag about Disney then change it Buena Vista.

so please tell me; is it the amount of titles for disney that's important or the name Disney....?

i'm confused....

FRom what I've read, $300 HD players and $400 BluRay players will be hitting stores in the 4th qtr.  That is what some analysist think, it's not neccessarly going to happen.

Is $100 dollar difference enough to say HD will win?  No.  Is having 3 times the exclusive titles enough to make Blu-Ray win?  Yes....inconjunction with cheaper Blu-Ray players. 

btw, there is a reason why PS3 has blu-ray.  It was a tactical decision to release a ton of Blu-Ray players so the price of the technology can drop quicker.  Guess what, it appears to be working since there are expected $400 Blu-Ray players later in the year.  Hopefully that leaves open the possiblity of a PS3 price drop (I'm hoping $200 price drop).

Let me help break this stuff down for you guys.  Based on the 2 press-releases, this happened:

1.) Someone spoke out of place, stating that a deal had already been made. 

2.) That info got to AVSforum, which made it balloon into a big story, but the story never existed.

3.) WalMart comes out and says there is no story, as no orders for HD-DVD units have been placed. 

4.) The company working on the HD-DVD deal for WalMart apologizes for the misunderstanding and reveals that they're working on a contract that could be even BIGGER than 2 million HD-DVD players going to WalMart, depending on the price and a couple other factors. 

5.) WalMart also responds to the company working on the deal for them by saying "we don't comment on our business partners".

Bottom line: A deal IS in the works, but someone spilled the beans before contracts had been signed,  forcing WalMart's hand in the matter.  Both partners are working on a deal that will make this happen.  Whether it does or not remains to be seen, but the attitude of WalMart's business partner certainly seems to be one of absolute optimism.  What we have here is politics and posturing.

FRom what I've read, $300 HD players and $400 BluRay players will be hitting stores in the 4th qtr.  That is what some analysist think, it's not neccessarly going to happen.

Is $100 dollar difference enough to say HD will win?  No.  Is having 3 times the exclusive titles enough to make Blu-Ray win?  Yes....inconjunction with cheaper Blu-Ray players. 

btw, there is a reason why PS3 has blu-ray.  It was a tactical decision to release a ton of Blu-Ray players so the price of the technology can drop quicker.  Guess what, it appears to be working since there are expected $400 Blu-Ray players later in the year.  Hopefully that leaves open the possiblity of a PS3 price drop (I'm hoping $200 price drop).

darthogre

hd dvd players already enjoy a $300 price difference.

are we to believe only bluray will enjoy a $300 price drop in the nexzt 5 months and not hd dvd?

kinda hard to swallow..

i guess hd dvd exclusive titles dont' count..:roll:

From my understanding, that was a mis-translation. Instead, Wal-mart will be introducing $299 Blu-ray players. Not HD-DVD.

NYCgamer47

LOL what? Wal-mart is going to sell a $200 stand-alone hd-dvd player...

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

FRom what I've read, $300 HD players and $400 BluRay players will be hitting stores in the 4th qtr.  That is what some analysist think, it's not neccessarly going to happen.

Is $100 dollar difference enough to say HD will win?  No.  Is having 3 times the exclusive titles enough to make Blu-Ray win?  Yes....inconjunction with cheaper Blu-Ray players. 

btw, there is a reason why PS3 has blu-ray.  It was a tactical decision to release a ton of Blu-Ray players so the price of the technology can drop quicker.  Guess what, it appears to be working since there are expected $400 Blu-Ray players later in the year.  Hopefully that leaves open the possiblity of a PS3 price drop (I'm hoping $200 price drop).

tango90101

hd dvd players already enjoy a $300 price difference.

are we to believe only bluray will enjoy a $300 price drop in the nexzt 5 months and not hd dvd?

kinda hard to swallow..

i guess hd dvd exclusive titles dont' count..:roll:

[QUOTE="MadExponent"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="NYCgamer47"]

From my understanding, that was a mis-translation. Instead, Wal-mart will be introducing $299 Blu-ray players. Not HD-DVD.

Javy03

Not quite, what it is is a mistranslated RUMOR. This basically means we never knew what the original rumors intention was but the Walmart HD DVD thing has been debunked three ways. Walmart has denied it in your link, then at engadgethd.com they updated the article stating the translation of the rumor was questionable and thirdly the HD DVD camp refused to confirm this deal with Walmart and the existance of this cheaper player and instead said they already have a cheap HD DVD player out (referring to the 400 dollar one).

Walmart and the other parties involved are going to deny it even if it is true cause they don't want to kill HD-DVD sales now because of something they plan on doing later on in the year. I will go ahead and say that I am fairly sure that this "rumor" is true. Walmart will more than likely be selling a HDDVD player sometime this year for an incredible price that will come as a major hit to Sony's Bluray sales.

Edit: More than likely these new players will hit around Christmas and they will be so cheap and in such a high supply that it will be the best selling Christmas gift and everyone will try to get in on them. Mark my words.

Them confirming the selling of an HD DVD player for cheap would not hurt their HD DVD sales, that good press would help them if anything, look at all the publication the rumor got. Walmart was slow to adopt new tech. and when they look at their software sales online I am pretty sure their blu ray movies sell alot more then their HD DVD players. Walmart will be the last people to adopt this tech. and when they do Blu ray will have pulled far ahead of HD DVD and their players will be getting cheaper as well. If Walmart makes the media player move to HD most likely they will support both and sell the cheapest players for both, not chose the format with the least sales alone that has a good chance of failing and leavign them with a stock of unwanted players.

I can understand how all that makes sense to you, but it doesn't at all from a business stand point. 

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

FRom what I've read, $300 HD players and $400 BluRay players will be hitting stores in the 4th qtr.  That is what some analysist think, it's not neccessarly going to happen.

Is $100 dollar difference enough to say HD will win?  No.  Is having 3 times the exclusive titles enough to make Blu-Ray win?  Yes....inconjunction with cheaper Blu-Ray players. 

btw, there is a reason why PS3 has blu-ray.  It was a tactical decision to release a ton of Blu-Ray players so the price of the technology can drop quicker.  Guess what, it appears to be working since there are expected $400 Blu-Ray players later in the year.  Hopefully that leaves open the possiblity of a PS3 price drop (I'm hoping $200 price drop).

alfy13

hd dvd players already enjoy a $300 price difference.

are we to believe only bluray will enjoy a $300 price drop in the nexzt 5 months and not hd dvd?

kinda hard to swallow..

i guess hd dvd exclusive titles dont' count..:roll:

Not hard to swallow when you remember they're including FREE bluray movies as "sold" bluray movies..  ;)

it's weird that the xbox last gen sold more software per console than any other console. (find your own link, it's common knowledge the xbox ha d the highest attach ratio, even with sony's library having more games.  Yet, you guys call it a failure because of hardware sales.

now, the logic has changed when it serves your purpose.. typical.

the fact you think software sales a more important than hardware sales at this point,  doesnt' speak highly of your industry knowledge.

is it better to have one player bought and 100 movies or 100 players bought each with one movie?  the correct answer should tell you something...;)

stop with the damn 10-quote chains!Dreams-Visions

NO...

j/k... sorry..had to do it.. :D

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]stop with the damn 10-quote chains!tango90101

NO...

j/k... sorry..had to do it.. :D

:lol: you monkies. 

Let me help break this stuff down for you guys. Based on the 2 press-releases, this happened:

1.) Someone spoke out of place, stating that a deal had already been made.

2.) That info got to AVSforum, which made it balloon into a big story, but the story never existed.

3.) WalMart comes out and says there is no story, as no orders for HD-DVD units have been placed.

4.) The company working on the HD-DVD deal for WalMart apologizes for the misunderstanding and reveals that they're working on a contract that could be even BIGGER than 2 million HD-DVD players going to WalMart, depending on the price and a couple other factors.

5.) WalMart also responds to the company working on the deal for them by saying "we don't comment on our business partners".

Bottom line: A deal IS in the works, but someone spilled the beans before contracts had been signed, forcing WalMart's hand in the matter. Both partners are working on a deal that will make this happen. Whether it does or not remains to be seen, but the attitude of WalMart's business partner certainly seems to be one of absolute optimism. What we have here is politics and posturing.

Dreams-Visions

nobody loves my post :( 

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

Let me help break this stuff down for you guys. Based on the 2 press-releases, this happened:

1.) Someone spoke out of place, stating that a deal had already been made.

2.) That info got to AVSforum, which made it balloon into a big story, but the story never existed.

3.) WalMart comes out and says there is no story, as no orders for HD-DVD units have been placed.

4.) The company working on the HD-DVD deal for WalMart apologizes for the misunderstanding and reveals that they're working on a contract that could be even BIGGER than 2 million HD-DVD players going to WalMart, depending on the price and a couple other factors.

5.) WalMart also responds to the company working on the deal for them by saying "we don't comment on our business partners".

Bottom line: A deal IS in the works, but someone spilled the beans before contracts had been signed, forcing WalMart's hand in the matter. Both partners are working on a deal that will make this happen. Whether it does or not remains to be seen, but the attitude of WalMart's business partner certainly seems to be one of absolute optimism. What we have here is politics and posturing.

Dreams-Visions

nobody loves my post :( 

i do..

i have nothing to add. you pretty much summed it up perfectly...

now, it's just a waiting game..

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

FRom what I've read, $300 HD players and $400 BluRay players will be hitting stores in the 4th qtr.  That is what some analysist think, it's not neccessarly going to happen.

Is $100 dollar difference enough to say HD will win?  No.  Is having 3 times the exclusive titles enough to make Blu-Ray win?  Yes....inconjunction with cheaper Blu-Ray players. 

btw, there is a reason why PS3 has blu-ray.  It was a tactical decision to release a ton of Blu-Ray players so the price of the technology can drop quicker.  Guess what, it appears to be working since there are expected $400 Blu-Ray players later in the year.  Hopefully that leaves open the possiblity of a PS3 price drop (I'm hoping $200 price drop).

tango90101

hd dvd players already enjoy a $300 price difference.

are we to believe only bluray will enjoy a $300 price drop in the nexzt 5 months and not hd dvd?

kinda hard to swallow..

i guess hd dvd exclusive titles dont' count..:roll:

Not hard to swallow when you remember they're including FREE bluray movies as "sold" bluray movies..  ;)

it's weird that the xbox last gen sold more software per console than any other console. (find your own link, it's common knowledge the xbox ha d the highest attach ratio, even with sony's library having more games.  Yet, you guys call it a failure because of hardware sales.

now, the logic has changed when it serves your purpose.. typical.

the fact you think software sales a more important than hardware sales at this point,  doesnt' speak highly of your industry knowledge.

is it better to have one player bought and 100 movies or 100 players bought each with one movie?  the correct answer should tell you something...;)

2. umm i like to see where xbox sold more software then ps2. please provide the link because to me it sounds like cough cough b cough cough s. but oh wait, you want me to go find my own link which means you want me to go on a wild goose chase looking for info that is not true. i think ill pass.

3. you think movies companies will not be happy if their software was not selling, but the hardware that supports their software is selling? y ou know how stupid that sounds, but oh wait i forgot who i was talking to.

4. and to answer number 4.  like i said, HD DVD player out sold BLu Ray plyaer, but software shows something else. with your logic hd dvd software should be out selling blu ray software since it has sold the most hardware. but yet you cant seem to tell me why it hasnt. 

so for the last time.  answer me how come hd dvd software is being outsold by blu ray software, when hd dvd hardware has sold the most. please answer my question and stop skipping it.

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]In another point of irony, Tango claims that you can't count Disney's support for Bluray because no Bluray movies are currently available with their brand as of yet. However, the Walmart/HD-DVD deal is to be taken as fact even though none are actually available for sale.tango90101

i didn't say it was a fact......yet...

only that it's coming...

So do you deny that Disney Bluray movies are coming? I still find it odd that you don't equate Buena Vista to Disney.

when Disney branded movies hit the market in bluray then you can celebrate..

i find it odd that you brag about Disney then change it Buena Vista.

so please tell me; is it the amount of titles for disney that's important or the name Disney....?

i'm confused....

Brag?  Why would I brag?  I have no horse in this "race".

I never changed it. I equate Disney and Buena Vista.  I don't think the name "Disney" is important, just their movies.  Buena Vista has some very big movies under their belt, and by default Disney.