For all that are too lazy to read; basically all shipments of PS3's in Europe are being seized because of a patent dispute between LG and Sony. The judge apparently thought there was enough merit it LG's case to stop the shipments. I don't know what feature is reportedly being infringed upon or how easily Sony can work around the reportedly infringed piece.
That sucks for Sony. Patents are always being brought up in courts,especially if they tie to a successful product. I dont know the exact details about this case but if Sony does come out on top LG will pay pretty hard. Im sure Sony will want to be compensated greatly for this ordeal. Guess we got to wait and see what happens.
this is worse than the whole thing with nintendo gamecube pads infringing patents, bloody stupid if you ask me, why the hell would LG be bothered if the Ps3 infringes patents it's not as if they are in competition in the console hardware market, someone at LG is just being an idiot,lol
meh this is a non issue for sony again imho so many tried to sue sony for patients and nothing happend. sonys momentum just became stronger as they brushed off these lawsuits like nothing
Well that is a little humbling. All companies are guilty of questionable practices. If those consoles are destroyed, a price drop this year will be very hard indeed for Sony. That's a lot of revenue destroyed.
Well that is a little humbling. All companies are guilty of questionable practices. If those consoles are destroyed, a price drop this year will be very hard indeed for Sony. That's a lot of revenue destroyed.cainetao11
Sony sued LG first. LG countersued....and won. Suing everyone left and right will eventually backfire.
Sony tried to sue LG for patent breach, as well, failed, and got sued by LG due to similar issues, and is, so far, at loss. If it's ruled that the confiscated consoles may be destroyed, Sony's in for one hefty financial setback, specially if it prevents them from selling PS3's in Europe.
This is turning out to be the worst generation for Sony.
[QUOTE="110million"]Sony saved Nintendo from this sort of thing not long ago, it happenes to everyone. KC_Hokie
?...no. Patent infringement doesn't 'happen to everyone'. These stories come up all the time, theres always some patent troll who patents a whole bunch of potentially unused ideas, waits for some other product to become popular, and sues them. Its **** like this that should be as illegal as the actual infringement.
Wait, will these confiscated PS3 still count in the sale numbers?DarkStraberry
Not if they don't make it to the retailer. Sony can't count sales if items aren't delivered. I guess Sony isn't winning Europe anymore? I wonder if MS is paying LG to do this. LOL.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="110million"]Sony saved Nintendo from this sort of thing not long ago, it happenes to everyone. 110million
?...no. Patent infringement doesn't 'happen to everyone'.These stories come up all the time, theres always some patent troll who patents a whole bunch of potentially unused ideas, waits for some other product to become popular, and sues them. Its **** like this that should be as illegal as the actual infringement. That makes no sense. How is it LGs fault Sony infringed on their patent?
[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]?...no. Patent infringement doesn't 'happen to everyone'.KC_Hokie
These stories come up all the time, theres always some patent troll who patents a whole bunch of potentially unused ideas, waits for some other product to become popular, and sues them. Its **** like this that should be as illegal as the actual infringement. That makes no sense. How is it LGs fault Sony infringed on their patent?
Yeah, LG is just a troll, NOT a major company that has actually invented and patented things. Yeah.
[QUOTE="DarkStraberry"]Wait, will these confiscated PS3 still count in the sale numbers?KC_Hokie
Sony counts 'shipped' so more than likely yes.
They can't count these as the retailers are going to want there money back since they can't sell them. Sony will have reimburse them and thus it won't count as sold. Remeber Sony is a public company and thus these units aren't actually sold to the retailer until they actually receive such product they bought. Sucks for Sony. I hope it doesn't happen in the US or otherwise I might just buy my 3rd PS3 just to be on the safe side.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="DarkStraberry"]Wait, will these confiscated PS3 still count in the sale numbers?3rdbass
Sony counts 'shipped' so more than likely yes.
They can't count these as the retailers are going to want there money back since they can't sell them. Sony will have reimburse them and thus it won't count as sold. Remeber Sony is a public company and thus these units aren't actually sold to theretailer until they actually receive suck product theyhave bought.Sucks for Sony. I hope it doesn't happen in the US or otherwise I might just buy my 3rd PS3 just to be on the safe side.
Sony's counting system is internal and notorious for counting 'shipped' consoles. So the second they're 'shipped' they're counted as a PS3 out there in the market.
[QUOTE="cainetao11"]Well that is a little humbling. All companies are guilty of questionable practices. If those consoles are destroyed, a price drop this year will be very hard indeed for Sony. That's a lot of revenue destroyed.KC_Hokie
Sony sued LG first. LG countersued....and won. Suing everyone left and right will eventually backfire. Thank you, but I am well aware of the history between the 2. Wonder how many consoles will be confiscated, and if destroyed what the financial hit will be. That will be a tough hit for Sony.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="cainetao11"]Well that is a little humbling. All companies are guilty of questionable practices. If those consoles are destroyed, a price drop this year will be very hard indeed for Sony. That's a lot of revenue destroyed.cainetao11
Sony sued LG first. LG countersued....and won. Suing everyone left and right will eventually backfire.Thank you, but I am well aware of the history between the 2. Wonder how many consoles will be confiscated, and if destroyed what the financial hit will be. That will be a tough hit for Sony.100,000+ from what I've read.
[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Sony sued LG first. LG countersued....and won. Suing everyone left and right will eventually backfire.KC_Hokie
Thank you, but I am well aware of the history between the 2. Wonder how many consoles will be confiscated, and if destroyed what the financial hit will be. That will be a tough hit for Sony.100,000+ from what I've read. Rough estimate would be 30 million dollar hit if all are destroyed. May be a fee for online play very soon after that, LOL.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="cainetao11"]Thank you, but I am well aware of the history between the 2. Wonder how many consoles will be confiscated, and if destroyed what the financial hit will be. That will be a tough hit for Sony.cainetao11
100,000+ from what I've read. Rough estimate would be 30 million dollar hit if all are destroyed. May be a fee for online play very soon after that, LOL.$30+ million loss is a good estimate for a week and a half's worth of PS3s going into Europe. And I think PSN+ is only going to be free for so long. Less than one half of one percent of PS3 users have purchased it so far. MS on the other hand makes over a billion off Xbox Live subscriptions alone.
Wait so does this mean that Sony can never ever sell a PS3 ever again in europe? Or just for a certain amount of time?
KC_Hokie
Don't know yet. The order is more temporary until LG decides what they want to do. Oh :P I thought it was like forever...... 10 days not that bad.... well not really... :P
Wait so does this mean that Sony can never ever sell a PS3 ever again in europe? Or just for a certain amount of time?
VensInferno
This means for 10 days they cant sell any that have come into Europe. the ones on the store shelves are sellable. If the ones confiscated get destroyed, is the main hurtfull thing in the immediate future for Sony.
Wait so does this mean that Sony can never ever sell a PS3 ever again in europe? Or just for a certain amount of time?
VensInferno
Don't know yet. The order is more temporary until LG decides what they want to do. Oh :P I thought it was like forever...... 10 days not that bad.... well not really... :PWell LG can have 100,000+ PS3s in warehouses destroyed. That's bad.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Sony counts 'shipped' so more than likely yes.KC_Hokie
They can't count these as the retailers are going to want there money back since they can't sell them. Sony will have reimburse them and thus it won't count as sold. Remeber Sony is a public company and thus these units aren't actually sold to theretailer until they actually receive suck product theyhave bought.Sucks for Sony. I hope it doesn't happen in the US or otherwise I might just buy my 3rd PS3 just to be on the safe side.
Sony's counting system is internal and notorious for counting 'shipped' consoles. So the second they're 'shipped' they're counted as a PS3 out there in the market.
They then have to write them off to bad debt since they will have to refund these shipments. Since they are a public company they to be accurate in their reported numbers.
There will still be sales of PS3 in EU. Stores have stock. But the shipments coming in NOW, cant be stocked. And if destroyed that is major money lost. Sony will probably cut shipping off for a while.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="110million"]Sony saved Nintendo from this sort of thing not long ago, it happenes to everyone. 110million
?...no. Patent infringement doesn't 'happen to everyone'. These stories come up all the time, theres always some patent troll who patents a whole bunch of potentially unused ideas, waits for some other product to become popular, and sues them. Its **** like this that should be as illegal as the actual infringement. I have no idea what you are talking about sorry but if there was not some series merit to LG's claim then the judge would not have ruled for LG's favor. I mean seriously PS3 shipment would not have been halted and tens of thousands of PS3 already siezed because someone just trying to make a quick buck.
They can't count these as the retailers are going to want there money back since they can't sell them. Sony will have reimburse them and thus it won't count as sold. Remeber Sony is a public company and thus these units aren't actually sold to theretailer until they actually receive suck product theyhave bought.Sucks for Sony. I hope it doesn't happen in the US or otherwise I might just buy my 3rd PS3 just to be on the safe side.
3rdbass
Sony's counting system is internal and notorious for counting 'shipped' consoles. So the second they're 'shipped' they're counted as a PS3 out there in the market.
They then have to write them off to bad debt since they will have to refund these shipments. Since they ware public they to be accurate in their reported numbers.
It would hurt their revenue but the 'shipped' numbers aren't going to change. Ever notice how Sony can accurately 'predict' the number of PS3s shipped every quarter down to thousands? It's not a coincidence. Doesn't actually matter what happens to them in the end regardless if they are stuck in a warehouse for six months or in this case potentially destroyed. They will all count towards Sonys 'shipped' figure.
[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]100,000+ from what I've read. KC_Hokie
Rough estimate would be 30 million dollar hit if all are destroyed. May be a fee for online play very soon after that, LOL.$30+ million loss is a good estimate for a week and a half's worth of PS3s going into Europe. And I think PSN+ is only going to be free for so long. Less than one half of one percent of PS3 users have purchased it so far. MS on the other hand makes over a billion off Xbox Live subscriptions alone.
PSN+ isn't free and then you said that you can buy it. TYPOO :D
And of course MS makes more money cause nowadays more people play online. COD, Halo, almost every game nowadays have a MP option. Soo if PS became pay to play then more people would get it, know what I mean?
[QUOTE="110million"]Sony saved Nintendo from this sort of thing not long ago, it happenes to everyone. KC_Hokie
?...no. Patent infringement doesn't 'happen to everyone'.Did you not see that giant chart of tech company lawsuits?
Motorola is suing Microsoft over patents related to the 360.
It would hurt their revenue but the 'shipped' numbers aren't going to change. Ever notice how Sony can accurately 'predict' the number of PS3s shipped every quarter down to thousands? It's not a coincidence. Doesn't actually matter what happens to them in the end regardless if they are stuck in a warehouse for six months or in this case potentially destroyed. They will all count towards Sonys 'shipped' figure.
KC_Hokie
Shipped is sell-in is sold to retailers for all three companies.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="cainetao11"]Rough estimate would be 30 million dollar hit if all are destroyed. May be a fee for online play very soon after that, LOL.Snakemaster9
$30+ million loss is a good estimate for a week and a half's worth of PS3s going into Europe. And I think PSN+ is only going to be free for so long. Less than one half of one percent of PS3 users have purchased it so far. MS on the other hand makes over a billion off Xbox Live subscriptions alone.
PSN+ isn't free and then you said that you can buy it. TYPOO :D
And of course MS makes more money cause nowadays more people play online. COD, Halo, almost every game nowadays have a MP option. Soo if PS became pay to play then more people would get it, know what I mean?
PSN is only going to be free for so long I meant due to the failure of PSN+. And MS makes over a billion dollars on Xbox Live subscriptions ALONE. Sony's executives see that and know what revenue they are losing. PSN+ was their attempt to attract some PS3 users but it's a total failure.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Sony's counting system is internal and notorious for counting 'shipped' consoles. So the second they're 'shipped' they're counted as a PS3 out there in the market.
KC_Hokie
They then have to write them off to bad debt since they will have to refund these shipments. Since they ware public they to be accurate in their reported numbers.
It would hurt their revenue but the 'shipped' numbers aren't going to change. Ever notice how Sony can accurately 'predict' the number of PS3s shipped every quarter down to thousands? It's not a coincidence. Doesn't actually matter what happens to them in the end regardless if they are stuck in a warehouse for six months or in this case potentially destroyed. They will all count towards Sonys 'shipped' figure.
They might count for a period but they will have to be backed out once shippments are delivered to the retailer. They can't get around this accounting for shippments since they are a publically traded company that is audited.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="110million"]?...no. Patent infringement doesn't 'happen to everyone'.shinrabanshou
Did you not see that giant chart of tech company lawsuits?
Motorola is suing Microsoft over patents related to the 360.
It would hurt their revenue but the 'shipped' numbers aren't going to change. Ever notice how Sony can accurately 'predict' the number of PS3s shipped every quarter down to thousands? It's not a coincidence. Doesn't actually matter what happens to them in the end regardless if they are stuck in a warehouse for six months or in this case potentially destroyed. They will all count towards Sonys 'shipped' figure.
KC_Hokie
Shipped is sell-in is sold to retailers for all three companies.LG sued Sony first and it backfired. And Sony is notorious for counting anything that leaves the factory as 'shipped'. Again, compare the quarterly reports for any year against the 'predictions' and they are dead on. Being THAT accurate in their predictions for so many quarters is obviously due to their counting method. It's easy to produce 100,000 consoles at the factory then immediately count them as 'shipped'. I could guess the fourth quarter 'shipped' numbers with that system.
They might count for a period but they will have to be backed out once shippments are delivered to the retailer. They can't get around this accounting for shippments since they are a publically traded company that is audited.
3rdbass
In an audit shipped to warehouses counts as 'shipped'.
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