It Only Does LG's Patents

LG sued Sony first and it backfired. And Sony is notorious for counting anything that leaves the factory as 'shipped'. Again, compare the quarterly reports for any year against the 'predictions' and they are dead on. Being THAT accurate in their predictions for so many quarters is obviously due to their counting method. It's easy to produce 100,000 consoles at the factory then immediately count them as 'shipped'. I could guess the fourth quarter 'shipped' numbers with that system.KC_Hokie

So basically you're just tinfoil hatting.

Sony very publically switched to accounting for sales using sell-in, compared to the accounting method used during the PS2 error.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]LG sued Sony first and it backfired. And Sony is notorious for counting anything that leaves the factory as 'shipped'. Again, compare the quarterly reports for any year against the 'predictions' and they are dead on. Being THAT accurate in their predictions for so many quarters is obviously due to their counting method. It's easy to produce 100,000 consoles at the factory then immediately count them as 'shipped'. I could guess the fourth quarter 'shipped' numbers with that system.shinrabanshou

Sony very publically switched from accounting for sales as sell-in, compared to the accounting method used during the PS2 error.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]LG sued Sony first and it backfired. And Sony is notorious for counting anything that leaves the factory as 'shipped'. Again, compare the quarterly reports for any year against the 'predictions' and they are dead on. Being THAT accurate in their predictions for so many quarters is obviously due to their counting method. It's easy to produce 100,000 consoles at the factory then immediately count them as 'shipped'. I could guess the fourth quarter 'shipped' numbers with that system.KC_Hokie

Sony very publically switched from accounting for sales as sell-in, compared to the accounting method used during the PS2 error.

From FY2006 they changed their accounting practice, and now only count products sell-in, i.e. sold-to-retail as Hardware Unit Sales.

If you've nothing to support your claim whatsoever, then I suggest you stop making it.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="110million"]Sony saved Nintendo from this sort of thing not long ago, it happenes to everyone. shinrabanshou

Motorola is suing Microsoft over patents related to the 360.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]So basically you're just tinfoil hatting.

Sony very publically switched from accounting for sales as sell-in, compared to the accounting method used during the PS2 error.

shinrabanshou

From FY2006 they changed their accounting practice, and now only count products sell-in, i.e. sold-to-retail as Hardware Unit Sales.

If you've nothing to support your claim whatsoever, then I suggest you stop making it.

You provided two different charts withdifferent data. Doesn't prove or disprove anything.

KC_Hokie

The funniest thing about this is that Sony started the fight by picking on LG, so LG decided to slap them with a bunch of patent law suits in return. Someone in Sony's legal department has definitely been fired. Silly corporations, leave each other alone. :PNinja-Hippo

Are you talking about that pic that keeps getting posted? The arrow is pointing to Motorola which means MS is suing Motorola not the other way around. It also does not say anything about the 360.

rybe1025

Companies sued Nintendo over the Wiimote.

A WiFi company is suing Nintendo, Sony and Apple.

Technology patents are basically a giant quagmire.

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You provided two different charts withdifferent data. Doesn't prove or disprove anything.

shinrabanshou

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You provided two different charts withdifferent data. Doesn't prove or disprove anything.

KC_Hokie

I guess the PS3 does not do everything because one thing it does not do is ship.

rybe1025

don't care what system you "root" for.. this is bad for gaming as a whole. and a bunch of ****

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]?...no. Patent infringement doesn't 'happen to everyone'.rybe1025

Why didn't LG sue when they released the damn ps3 then.... instead of waiting until now.

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]$30+ million loss is a good estimate for a week and a half's worth of PS3s going into Europe. And I think PSN+ is only going to be free for so long. Less than one half of one percent of PS3 users have purchased it so far. MS on the other hand makes over a billion off Xbox Live subscriptions alone. KC_Hokie

PSN+ isn't free and then you said that you can buy it. TYPOO :D

And of course MS makes more money cause nowadays more people play online. COD, Halo, almost every game nowadays have a MP option. Soo if PS became pay to play then more people would get it, know what I mean?

Why wouldn't they make that much on it. 50 million Xboxes and lets just say 30 million have XBL at a rate of 30$ per year is 900 million soo. :X And thats just 30 dollars with 30 million. But yeah I think they are either gonna start charging or do something completely unexpected

Patents are a muddy issue. Plus this thread is weak.

Blaze-Agent

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="110million"] These stories come up all the time, theres always some patent troll who patents a whole bunch of potentially unused ideas, waits for some other product to become popular, and sues them. Its **** like this that should be as illegal as the actual infringement. Infinite_Access

Why didn't LG sue when they released the damn ps3 then.... instead of waiting until now.

For the lulz

the title was funny i admit, but then it hit me the potential damage going sonys way n it made me sad lol

I wonder what would be worse. A world with patents or one without.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="110million"] These stories come up all the time, theres always some patent troll who patents a whole bunch of potentially unused ideas, waits for some other product to become popular, and sues them. Its **** like this that should be as illegal as the actual infringement. Infinite_Access

Why didn't LG sue when they released the damn ps3 then.... instead of waiting until now.

Wow LG won.KC_Hokie

LG won a preliminary injunction, which unfortunately says nothing about the outcome of the whole ordeal.

Dunno if this has been stated already, but... Just saiyan...

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Sony counts 'shipped' so more than likely yes.KC_Hokie

They can't count these as the retailers are going to want there money back since they can't sell them. Sony will have reimburse them and thus it won't count as sold. Remeber Sony is a public company and thus these units aren't actually sold to theretailer until they actually receive suck product theyhave bought.Sucks for Sony. I hope it doesn't happen in the US or otherwise I might just buy my 3rd PS3 just to be on the safe side.

Sony is only "notorious" because foolish fanboys don't understand how the system works. No console manufacturer counts the actual sales of their console. Because for the console manufacturer, it's only a sale for them when it's shipped to the stores - not when individual consoles are bought.

the title was funny i admit, but then it hit me the potential damage going sonys way n it made me sad lol

blackstace

I guess the PS3 does not do everything because one thing it does not do is ship.

rybe1025

meh this is a non issue for sony again imho so many tried to sue sony for patients and nothing happend. sonys momentum just became stronger as they brushed off these lawsuits like nothing

_SWAG_

sony wont be allowed to sell ps3s in europe this is gonna hurt ,

looks like its wii and 360 over there like it is here as it is lol

all ps3 has its hands in is japan back and forth with wii lol

wii has totally pulled all the stops those denying this will prove nothing more then blind fanboys cause you know what it happened before -eg ps2 ps1 nes snes the console with the least powerful graphics least expensive and more overall games has won the race ! 360 is a good side console --which is why it to is selling good in many regions , ps3 meh only in japan does it top

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]?...no. Patent infringement doesn't 'happen to everyone'.rybe1025

Im sorry but do you ride on the shortbus? ITS SONY BUSINESS TO F'ing KNOW HOW MANY UNITS THEY ARE GOING TO SHIP!! If they didnt I would be worried just a bit. Besides, like that one dude said. ALL 3 console makers use the shipped (sold) to retailers numbers as "sold". Because in reality they are. Sony sells the console shipments to retailers. At this time they are the retailers responsibility to sell them. Sony has already sold them to the retailer. You people need to think a bit bigger. Sony isnt messing with one sold here, two sold their. They deal with tens of thousands shipped to regions. Once they are sold to retailers. Sony has the money for those consoles, they are "Sold' in sony's eyes.theseeker2654

I think this has more to do with a japan/korea thing. Hopefully that is not the case.. but looking at how petty both parties have sunk to I woudn't rule that out.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="theseeker2654"] yea, thats exactly what I said. I KNEW what was happening. Im merely trying to temper all you moronic tweens thinking this situation is cut and dry. Oh and to be clear. The Informant is based on a true story of ADM and Lysine PRICE FIXING by major aggro corporations. This actually happened. Look it up. What we think we are seeing by reading these articles is not the whole story, or not even the true story. That is what I was trying to get at, but I wouldnt expect someone not yet out of diapers to realize that. sorry, I guess I thought too much of you guys. Wont happen again.theseeker2654

The tag line should be watch this and you will be a expert in all corparate law.

If LG win this Sony will have to pay them a small fee for every PS3 sold. Even if it is only a couple of dollars per unit, it adds up to a big hit for Sony, and a nice boost for LG shareholders.

If LG win this Sony will have to pay them a small fee for every PS3 sold. Even if it is only a couple of dollars per unit, it adds up to a big hit for Sony, and a nice boost for LG shareholders.

misiufraggle

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If LG win this Sony will have to pay them a small fee for every PS3 sold. Even if it is only a couple of dollars per unit, it adds up to a big hit for Sony, and a nice boost for LG shareholders.

rybe1025

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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]LG sued Sony first and it backfired. And Sony is notorious for counting anything that leaves the factory as 'shipped'. Again, compare the quarterly reports for any year against the 'predictions' and they are dead on. Being THAT accurate in their predictions for so many quarters is obviously due to their counting method. It's easy to produce 100,000 consoles at the factory then immediately count them as 'shipped'. I could guess the fourth quarter 'shipped' numbers with that system.KC_Hokie

Sony very publically switched from accounting for sales as sell-in, compared to the accounting method used during the PS2 error.