Itagaki Blasts Developer Hideki Kamiya And Bayonetta

Sorry you missed the point then. That ISN'T the only thing I'm saying he copied but it's the most blatant and obvious that anyone could look at and say "Yeah was studying DMC1 and obviouslycompied somethings when making Ninja Gaiden for xbox"

He also copied the "touch and item and read the caption feature"also the run on the wall, and other simular stage layouts...you obviously wouldn't recognize them.

I didn't say he copied EVERYTHNG, but yes Itagaki did copy many of the basic elements of ninja gaiden from DMC1. Do youself a favor and go play it (DMC1) and then play NG1 (on xbox) back to back LIKE I HAVE DONE and then you won't be making the selfowning comments you're making now.

gaboi09

I don't recall wall running in Devil May Cry 1. I'm pretty sure it was introduced in Devil May Cry 3(trickster styl).

These two games are very different:

Devil May Cryseries focused on thestyl. It built its combat system around doing insane moves. The question here wasn't "Can I kill this guy?" but rather "How can I kill this guy while keeping the meter as high as possible and looking as cool as possible?" It became a pure free styl action game.

Ninja Gaiden/Black/Sigma focused on the other side of the spectrum. It builds its combat specifically around figuring out an enemies tactic, and finding the best way to get through that. This becomes even more apparent when you go on higher difficulties, when it introduces new enemies with new abilities that render you previous tactics useless, forcing you to keep thinking of new strategies every step of the way. It focused on complex enemies, intricate strategies, and, above all, skill. Like DMC3 is the epitome of freeform combat, this is the epitome of tactical combat, and my personal favorite.

The stage being similar has nothing to do with gameplay mechanics.

The thing is you made a bold statement claiming that Ninja Gaiden is a blatant rip-off of the gameplay mechanics and gameplay set-up of DMC1 and all you have to show for itwassome ramdom stage.

I have no respect for Itagaki

Solid_Link22

He deserves none.

Did anyone read the rest of the interview? It turns out he has started up a new development studio known as Tokyo VIKING and claims he is wanting to work on new IP's. Sounds really exciting.

*sigh* Itagaki...

I still respect his accomplishments as a developer but sometimes, the guy really needs to keep his gob shut...

Itagaki is a joke and I have no respect for him. Tecmo is better off without him. He always puts down other developers,games,etc... How anybody thinks this guy is cool and deserves some kind of accolade is beyond me.

I never liked him, ever since he moved the DOA franchise to the Xbox...

This guy says some dumb things sometimes honestly...

So he's basically saying to the director of DMC that if he's going to leave and make his own game at least make it more original. i have no problem with that comment. In fact, lets remember this for the future to see if Itagaki makes something similar to NG or DOA.Ontain

Oh Itagaki, I'll keep this in mind if your next game ends up being similar in style to Ninja Gaiden.

Oh Itagaki, I'll keep this in mind if your next game ends up being similar in style to Ninja Gaiden.

Is nobody willing to entertain the thought that the guy actually has a point?

The original DMC was absolutely wonderful (even if Itagaki may not think so), but the formula is getting stale. It seems a shame that its creators are not taking their chances on something new now that they are with a new studio and are no longer under pressure from Capcom to continue the franchise.

I dare you to compare Ninja Gaiden II and DMC4 side by side. DMC feels so simplistic and "last-gen" in comparison, which is funny considering Ninja Gaiden is better known for its old-school vibe.

And who still has a job?

foxhound_fox

Just because Bayonetta will school anything he has ever made

Is nobody willing to entertain the thought that the guy actually has a point?

The original DMC was absolutely wonderful (even if Itagaki may not think so), but the formula is getting stale. It seems a shame that its creators are not taking their chances on something new now that they are with a new studio and are no longer under pressure from Capcom to continue the franchise.

I dare you to compare Ninja Gaiden II and DMC4 side by side. DMC feels so simplistic and "last-gen" in comparison, which is funny considering Ninja Gaiden is better known for its old-school vibe.

[QUOTE="Giancar"]

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/5274.html

"If I made a similar game as a game I made in the company I quit, people would say, 'What an idiot, can't he make anything else?' Well, that is more or less the opinion I have for, uh, that Bayo-something game."

and people badmouth Jaffe...

jg4xchamp

Haha that's such a good description of what the game looks like. :lol:

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

starting to really dislike that man.

Giancar

[QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]

[QUOTE="gaboi09"]

The sad thing is that his MASTER WORK Ninja Gaiden is a blatant rip-off of the gameplay mechanics and gameplay set-up of DMC1. Hell even some of the stages in Ninja gaiden are strikingly simular to DMC1 it's obvious he copied. How so many other people failed to notice this is beyond me.

Anyone ever remember the bookcase stage in DMC1 with the crumbled stairway to a second floor( a game that released in 2001 mind you)? Ninja Gaiden has the same exact bookcase and crumbled stairway set-up after the fight with Alma (Ninja Gaiden release in 2003 or 2004). The guy is quite the clown.

gaboi09

Book staircase level with crumbled staircase with 2nd floorin DMC 1 (2001)

the same Book staircase level with crumbled staircase with 2nd floorin Ninja gaiden on xbox (2004)

look up :) wasn't even ment for you but yeah...you don't konw what you're talking about and the proof is above. I wasn't taking to be a fanboy I was talking from experience because I obviously played both games which is seem you haven't. you've just been ownd.Buh bye

Stop congratulating yourself. You obviously have not played both games because if you had, you wouldn't spout such asinine nonsense. Just because there are similarties on a staircase of all things doesn't mean that they copied DMC. The gameplay mechanics are really not all that similar and neither is the visual presentation and story for that matter. They are both action games, but they go for a different kind of action. But if you can ignore all the differences in gameplay and visual aspects because of a similar staircase you really can't be reasoned with.

Also, even if NG copied DMC (which they didn't), they sure improved upon it.

[QUOTE="Menalque2"]

Is nobody willing to entertain the thought that the guy actually has a point?

The original DMC was absolutely wonderful (even if Itagaki may not think so), but the formula is getting stale. It seems a shame that its creators are not taking their chances on something new now that they are with a new studio and are no longer under pressure from Capcom to continue the franchise.

I dare you to compare Ninja Gaiden II and DMC4 side by side. DMC feels so simplistic and "last-gen" in comparison, which is funny considering Ninja Gaiden is better known for its old-school vibe.

TheGrat1

Okay, point taken on that one. His comment was pretty gratuitous when I think about it. On the other hand, I imagine that by default Itagaki has no respect for any developer until they have released a pervy beach volleyball spin-off of one of their major franchises.

[QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]

[QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]

[QUOTE="gaboi09"]

The sad thing is that his MASTER WORK Ninja Gaiden is a blatant rip-off of the gameplay mechanics and gameplay set-up of DMC1.Hell even some of the stages in Ninja gaiden are strikingly simular to DMC1 it's obvious he copied. How so many other people failed to notice this is beyond me.

Anyone ever remember the bookcase stage in DMC1 with the crumbled stairway to a second floor( a game that released in 2001 mind you)? Ninja Gaiden has the same exact bookcase and crumbled stairway set-up after the fight with Alma (Ninja Gaiden release in 2003 or 2004). The guy is quite the clown.

gaboi09

Sorry you missed the point then. That ISN'T the only thing I'm saying he copied but it's the most blatant and obvious that anyone could look at and say "Yeah was studying DMC1 and obviouslycompied somethings when making Ninja Gaiden for xbox"

He also copied the "touch and item and read the caption feature" also the "run on the wall mechanic", and other simular stage layouts, gameplay mechanics and stage features...you obviously wouldn't recognize them.

I didn't say he copied EVERYTHNG, but yes Itagaki did copy many of the basic elements of ninja gaiden from DMC1. Do youself a favor and go play it (DMC1) and then play NG1 (on xbox) back to back LIKE I HAVE DONE and then you won't be making the selfowning comments you're making now.

The dude copied...deal with it. Why dose this make you made? is he ur uncle or something? Or cause DMC1 was for PS2 and Ninja Gaiden was for xbox? I don't care I ownd both and the guys a duche for talking crap about someone who he copied from to create his best work.

Dude, you're harping on and on about a similar staircase. Don't you see how that is irrational?

I never liked him, ever since he moved the DOA franchise to the Xbox...

ocelot562

Looking up this Hideki Kamiya guy it seems the guy has some serious credentials. However, I've always admired Itagaki as a person. He makes the games he wants, to his appropriately high standards. And for the hell of it, he makes fun side projects like the DOAX series. Like Guillermo del Toro, who makes his artistic works like Pan's Labyrinth then kicks back with Hellboy II, Itagaki fulfills his own wishes and if you like it, then you're a lucky person.

Even more so, I love his arrogant a-hole attitude. Maybe because I'm an arrogant a-hole just like him, but I know deep down he respects competition. He'll diss what the competition produces (the fun part :D), but if you guys have followed his history, he's just spicing things up.

C'mon gamers, I know you're not use to this, but cut the guy some slack. If everyone was hippy-going like Gabe Newell, the gaming industry would be incredibly boring.

Oh, and the reason Jaffe might get dissed for his comments is that he probably can't carry arrogance with confidence lol. Probably just makes it look awkward and unwanted.

I'm personally looking forward to whatever Itagaki produces next. Wonder if his new love for photography influences his next title.

Oh and if anyone was going to diss Dead or Alive, well, again, Itagaki was out to do his own thing. In doing so, it's stupid to compare it to Virtua Fighter anyway. In fact have many people played Virtua Fighter and Dead or Alive, or is it just index knowledge for ammo in forum battles? The two games are basically complimentary fighting series: play five bouts of serious VF5, then let loose on DOA4. It's all technical and kinda...uh.... boring (?!) with the first, and silly, fast-paced fun with the second. In fact, doing a tag team attack on the latter and send your opponent flying over the balcony ten floors below to a K.O might be the most satisfying thing in fighting games along side an infinity combo in Marvel vs Capcom 2.

In fact it's better cuz it's got bewbs :|.

Thankyou Itagaki :)

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

How can you guys say he crossed the line and then you turn around and champion loud mouths like Cliffy B, David Jaffe, Kaz Hirai and all the other people in the games business who spout utter nonsense everytime you give them a mic or a keyboard?

finalfantasy94

DO those people put down other developers. Seriously its like itagaki has the mind of a 12 year old bully.

Oh and if anyone was going to diss Dead or Alive, well, again, Itagaki was out to do his own thing. In doing so, it's stupid to compare it to Virtua Fighter anyway. In fact have many people played Virtua Fighter and Dead or Alive, or is it just index knowledge for ammo in forum battles? The two games are basically complimentary fighting series: play five bouts of serious VF5, then let loose on DOA4. It's all technical and kinda...uh.... boring (?!) with the first, and silly, fast-paced fun with the second. In fact, doing a tag team attack on the latter and send your opponent flying over the balcony ten floors below to a K.O might be the most satisfying thing in fighting games along side an infinity combo in Marvel vs Capcom 2.

In fact it's better cuz it's got bewbs :|.

Thankyou Itagaki :)

FrozenLiquid

This

And what's also cool is that Itagaki is a fan of the VF series, although he is a bit arrogant in saying his games are better.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

How can you guys say he crossed the line and then you turn around and champion loud mouths like Cliffy B, David Jaffe, Kaz Hirai and all the other people in the games business who spout utter nonsense everytime you give them a mic or a keyboard?

Senor_Kami

DO those people put down other developers. Seriously its like itagaki has the mind of a 12 year old bully.

You do not do that.....

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Ya know I'd be worried if Itagaki didn't make comments like this. :P

finesse-gamer

true, gaming wouldn't be the same without his oatmeal cookie face around...

Hahaha! His face does sort of look like that lol.

Hideki Kamiya:

Creator or Devil May Cry 1

Creator of Viewtiful Joe 1

Creator of Okami

Creator of Resident Evil 2

Creator of Bayonetta

Creator of Resident Evil 4

Itagaki

Creator of Ninja Gaiden onXbox

Creator of DOA

Lets see.. Kamiyas titles have ALL scored AAA, while majority of Itagakis DOA series AND NG2 series failed to archieve AAA. Shame, Pizza face just cant hack that Kamiya is a better director than him :lol: Freaking ****

Itagaki and Hideki both suck

Looking up this Hideki Kamiya guy it seems the guy has some serious credentials. However, I've always admired Itagaki as a person. He makes the games he wants, to his appropriately high standards. And for the hell of it, he makes fun side projects like the DOAX series. Like Guillermo del Toro, who makes his artistic works like Pan's Labyrinth then kicks back with Hellboy II, Itagaki fulfills his own wishes and if you like it, then you're a lucky person.

Even more so, I love his arrogant a-hole attitude. Maybe because I'm an arrogant a-hole just like him, but I know deep down he respects competition. He'll diss what the competition produces (the fun part :D), but if you guys have followed his history, he's just spicing things up.

C'mon gamers, I know you're not use to this, but cut the guy some slack. If everyone was hippy-going like Gabe Newell, the gaming industry would be incredibly boring.

Oh, and the reason Jaffe might get dissed for his comments is that he probably can't carry arrogance with confidence lol. Probably just makes it look awkward and unwanted.

I'm personally looking forward to whatever Itagaki produces next. Wonder if his new love for photography influences his next title.

FrozenLiquid

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/5274.html

"If I made a similar game as a game I made in the company I quit, people would say, 'What an idiot, can't he make anything else?' Well, that is more or less the opinion I have for, uh, that Bayo-something game."

and people badmouth Jaffe...