It's a Bit Disappointing that Nintendo is Dominating the Handheld Market

As long as Sony thinks making something more powerful will be the only factor to winning over the handheld market they will lose. It's like the gamegear vs the Gameboy all over again. HarlockJC

Vita has alot more than just a power advantage over the 3DS.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]As long as Sony thinks making something more powerful will be the only factor to winning over the handheld market they will lose. It's like the gamegear vs the Gameboy all over again. crimsonman1245

Vita has alot more than just a power advantage over the 3DS.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I don't really see the problem. The whole point of handheld development is that its suppose to be cheaper and therefore easier to release games and make money. Vita has good power and everything but when the option between making an expensive game vs a cheaper one comes up and the Vita can't even compete games wise or in buyer interest, well, it makes sense. This is basically just an argument of more power = better without recognizing everything that goes along with it.

The fact that Vita has more power doesn't mean that developers have to write games that are extremley taxing. It just means they have more resources to play with if they fancy making something a bit more taxing. There are plenty of 2d Sidescrollers and indies that do well enough on the system because they're styalized and enjoyable, but aren't a problem for the hardware.

What's the point of having powerful hardware and not even attempting to use it? Do you just want to drive up the cost of the hardware for no reason because if I get a Vita its not to play 2D sidecrollers and indie games. You can play those games else where and for cheaper (like the 3DS, PS3, 360, WiiU, PC, Smartphones). I'm sorry but this is just a reality, if you have powerful hardware and no one is using it, then obviously you set the bar higher than what developers were willing to invest in and that's "bad" because you it makes your hardware more expensive. 

The new method for handheld sales is not to have any good games, and the 3DS does this wonderfully.Blabadon

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]The new method for handheld sales is not to have any good games, and the 3DS does this wonderfully.CrillanK

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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]As long as Sony thinks making something more powerful will be the only factor to winning over the handheld market they will lose. It's like the gamegear vs the Gameboy all over again. famicommander

Vita has alot more than just a power advantage over the 3DS.

-Generation ahead in power

-Second analog stick is a huge deal whether you want to admit it or not.

-Dramatically superior online network.

-PS+ value

-Region free

-Price protection for retailers

-Bigger screen

Thats just off the top of my head.

all the vita need is a price drop on both the system and the memory card and some games and maybe a small version of it 

Well the handheld market is Nintendo's "territory" and they will do everything to remain so, including big price slashes and re-designed systems.

Many tried to break into that fort but they all failed to do so, despite having superior hardware.

And it's not hard to see why Nintendo defend their positions so vehemently since if they lost grip on that market - bye bye, Nintendo... (atleast as a hardware producer)

Well the handheld market is Nintendo's "territory" and they will do everything to remain so, including big price slashes and re-designed systems.

Many tried to break into that fort but they all failed to do so, despite having superior hardware.

And it's not hard to see why Nintendo defend their positions so vehemently since if they lost grip on that market - bye bye, Nintendo... (atleast as a hardware producer)

nameless12345

People seem to forget the economics of game developing with Handhelds. Yes, the Vita is impressive spec wise but the problem is that game development for the Vita are much higher than the 3DS. So why waste resources on making games with a low install base when they can save a buck making games for the 3DS?

Them having a consisten low end console equaling cheaper game development is the only reason. To be honest it's no longer Nintendo market, they are just the top "dedicated" handheld for portable gaming.

Yo-SUP

People seem to forget the economics of game developing with Handhelds. Yes, the Vita is impressive spec wise but the problem is that game development for the Vita are much higher than the 3DS. So why waste resources on making games with a low install base when they can save a buck making games for the 3DS?

FireEmblem_Man

Both these statements are truth.

Handhelds don't really need power to be successful, things like cheaper price, portability, long battery life and big selection of games are much more important, which explains why Nintendo didn't get run-over by much more powerful competitors.

I mean, who wouldn't like a color handheld over a black/yellow/greenish one? ;)

But people prefered a cheaper system with more games, smaller form-factor and longer battery life...

People seem to forget the economics of game developing with Handhelds. Yes, the Vita is impressive spec wise but the problem is that game development for the Vita are much higher than the 3DS. So why waste resources on making games with a low install base when they can save a buck making games for the 3DS?

FireEmblem_Man

Why? Do you think Persona 4:Golden was expensive to make?

Give it a really nice price cut and youll see how good will do even if it lacks good exclusives atm.

People should consider a major factor when it comes to expensive hardware. Too many countries to write down have really decent montly average salaries. Not every single country has monthly average salaries of 1000$ +++ per month like USA/UK/CANADA etc...

If console/handheld or any kind of hardware coming in ridiculous high price for lower standard salary countries will affect their global sales big time. The main reason why PS3 failed imho was its price as well. Vita is another fine example . Sales bring more exclusives and more exclusives even more sales.

Power ? yeah i wouldnt say no ... But when i value this 100-150$ or more difference since im making 150$ per week , then no i wont buy a Vita. Ill buy a way cheaper 3DS which has better library without think it twice. The finnest example is when Sony changed policy with PS4 and its price is on a sweet spot. Sold out everywhere months before release.

Price guys is a huge factor when we talking global sales.

No it's not, Nintendo is awesome and since their homemade console isn't doing so well let at least the handheld take the crown.

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People seem to forget the economics of game developing with Handhelds. Yes, the Vita is impressive spec wise but the problem is that game development for the Vita are much higher than the 3DS. So why waste resources on making games with a low install base when they can save a buck making games for the 3DS?

crimsonman1245

Why? Do you think Persona 4:Golden was expensive to make?

My point being economics is an issue with selling the Vita. The system is expensive as well as necessities (memory cards). Also, development cost is a factor on making good original titles for the system. Plus License fees for third parties, marketing, packaging, ect.... Sure the digital market place exist for PSN users, but Memory Cards are still needed.

As for Persona 4, its a port. It's cheaper to make ports than to make an original exclusive title for the system.

[QUOTE="Yo-SUP"]

Them having a consisten low end console equaling cheaper game development is the only reason. To be honest it's no longer Nintendo market, they are just the top "dedicated" handheld for portable gaming.

nameless12345

People seem to forget the economics of game developing with Handhelds. Yes, the Vita is impressive spec wise but the problem is that game development for the Vita are much higher than the 3DS. So why waste resources on making games with a low install base when they can save a buck making games for the 3DS?

FireEmblem_Man

Both these statements are truth.

Handhelds don't really need power to be successful, things like cheaper price, portability, long battery life and big selection of games are much more important, which explains why Nintendo didn't get run-over by much more powerful competitors.

I mean, who wouldn't like a color handheld over a black/yellow/greenish one? ;)

But people prefered a cheaper system with more games, smaller form-factor and longer battery life...

Nintendo has been the king of handhelds since the begainning. Even when the hardware of the Gamegear ect. were years a head of the crappy green screen of the GB.  

Every since the DS, Nintendo will probably rule that market for over a decade without fail. #2 best selling system of all time I believe. Thats hardcore since Ninty has the greatest market shared in handhelds. They basically own it. 

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[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

People seem to forget the economics of game developing with Handhelds. Yes, the Vita is impressive spec wise but the problem is that game development for the Vita are much higher than the 3DS. So why waste resources on making games with a low install base when they can save a buck making games for the 3DS?

FireEmblem_Man

Why? Do you think Persona 4:Golden was expensive to make?

My point being economics is an issue with selling the Vita. The system is expensive as well as necessities (memory cards). Also, development cost is a factor on making good original titles for the system. Plus License fees for third parties, marketing, packaging, ect.... Sure the digital market place exist for PSN users, but Memory Cards are still needed.

As for Persona 4, its a port. It's cheaper to make ports than to make an original exclusive title for the system.

I think the higher price of the memory cards is equaled out by the lack of price protection for Nintendo games, not to mention the value of PS+.

Nintendo has been the king of handhelds since the begainning. Even when the hardware of the Gamegear ect. were years a head of the crappy green screen of the GB.  

Every since the DS, Nintendo will probably rule that market for over a decade without fail. #2 best selling system of all time I believe. Thats hardcore since Ninty has the greatest market shared in handhelds. They basically own it. 

TrappedInABox91

What would actually be disappointing is the Vita's barren library dominating.

Sony hasn't learned their lesson. People don't want a console experience on a hand held. They don't care about graphics on a hand held. Make it different and heck make the graphics LESS than the consoles so it also looks different. Otherwise having a VITA is like owning two PS3's but one has less games. Bread_or_Decide

Lol. "Make the graphics less..." 

Developers don't have to utilize all of the consoles graphical capabilities if they don't want to. They can create something less demanding. All the hardware does is allow for more possibilities. That doesn't mean it has to be utilized. 

Yeah its a shame considering how god awful the 3DS hardware is.

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Nintendo has been the king of handhelds since the begainning. Even when the hardware of the Gamegear ect. were years a head of the crappy green screen of the GB.  

Every since the DS, Nintendo will probably rule that market for over a decade without fail. #2 best selling system of all time I believe. Thats hardcore since Ninty has the greatest market shared in handhelds. They basically own it. 

Yo-SUP

I don't think Sega could have" blocked" them off of anything. ( Not sure what you mean by that tbh) Nintendo just owned the majority of the market, and the GG had the worst battery life of any con-...ANYTHING lol Games where also rare. Way,way worst than Vita. In my eyes though the Vita is ( *A bit*) comparable to the GG because it was great hardware. 

Its all because of the games. Hardware means shit, without them. 

Hardware power has simply never been a deciding factor of success in the handheld market. meetroid8

Thats one of the reasons TC is disappointed, there is a superior platform that is getting left behind.

Yeah, Vita has better tech, but people go where the games are. Blame Sony, not consumers.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I don't really see the problem. The whole point of handheld development is that its suppose to be cheaper and therefore easier to release games and make money. Vita has good power and everything but when the option between making an expensive game vs a cheaper one comes up and the Vita can't even compete games wise or in buyer interest, well, it makes sense. This is basically just an argument of more power = better without recognizing everything that goes along with it.

crimsonman1245

Why is it cheaper to make games on 3DS than Vita? Nobody is forcing developers to make Uncharted or Killzone graphics. Look at what Atlus did, ported a PS2 game to it and raised the resolution, threw in some trophies and collected some easy profit, that game was super cheap for Atlus to make.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]Hardware power has simply never been a deciding factor of success in the handheld market. crimsonman1245

Thats one of the reasons TC is disappointed, there is a superior platform that is getting left behind.

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[QUOTE="famicommander"]Atari, SEGA, SNK, Nokia, NEC/Hudson, and Bandai all tried and failed. So too has Sony, because Sony never bothered to look into WHY Nintendo machines keep obliterating the competition. Portability, battery life, and exclusive games. Vita just about matches 3DS in battery life but in terms of portability and exclusive games it's not even remotely close. I love my Vita but it's going to end up no different than the Neo Geo Pocket Color or Lynx.famicommander

It's still a portable system, and seeing as how well the 3DS XL sales are which I find even more uncomftorable to carry around than the Vita, I don't think thats what is really stopping the Vita from selling. I think it's as simple as development really :/.

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[QUOTE="meetroid8"]Hardware power has simply never been a deciding factor of success in the handheld market. meetroid8

Thats one of the reasons TC is disappointed, there is a superior platform that is getting left behind.

We've already debunked this myth like 5x in this thread. Nobody is forcing developers to build PS3 quality games from the ground up on Vita, Look at Virtue's Last Reward, all they did was raise the resolution of the game for the Vita and add some trophies, do you think that made the budget of the game "Skyrocket"?

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[QUOTE="meetroid8"]Hardware power has simply never been a deciding factor of success in the handheld market. meetroid8

Thats one of the reasons TC is disappointed, there is a superior platform that is getting left behind.

It's not just the innards. The Vita has two analog sticks. Games that are currently being released for the 3ds could be controlled so much better on the Vita. Games like Monster Hunter, and Resident Evil, which are huge games on the 3DS are difficult to control unless one buys a slab with an extra analog on it. And people do it too. So yes, I am saying it's dissapointing that the machine with the superior hardware isn't performing better than the 3ds. But this doesn't only extend to the cpu, gpu, or ram. But also how it's made. It's comftorable, fits in your hands well, and is about the same size as the 3ds xl. And judging by the sales of the xl, people don't mind the plus size of their portables all that much.

I'm not suprised that the Vita is doing poorly. I'm just disappointed, as I've stated.

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Why? Do you think Persona 4:Golden was expensive to make?

crimsonman1245

My point being economics is an issue with selling the Vita. The system is expensive as well as necessities (memory cards). Also, development cost is a factor on making good original titles for the system. Plus License fees for third parties, marketing, packaging, ect.... Sure the digital market place exist for PSN users, but Memory Cards are still needed.

As for Persona 4, its a port. It's cheaper to make ports than to make an original exclusive title for the system.

I think the higher price of the memory cards is equaled out by the lack of price protection for Nintendo games, not to mention the value of PS+.

[QUOTE="Nickprovs"]

[QUOTE="famicommander"]Atari, SEGA, SNK, Nokia, NEC/Hudson, and Bandai all tried and failed. So too has Sony, because Sony never bothered to look into WHY Nintendo machines keep obliterating the competition. Portability, battery life, and exclusive games. Vita just about matches 3DS in battery life but in terms of portability and exclusive games it's not even remotely close. I love my Vita but it's going to end up no different than the Neo Geo Pocket Color or Lynx.famicommander

It's still a portable system, and seeing as how well the 3DS XL sales are which I find even more uncomftorable to carry around than the Vita, I don't think thats what is really stopping the Vita from selling. I think it's as simple as development really :/.

the average person never takes his handhelds outside home,especially if they are over 13-14

Looking at the lineup of games in Japan for the rest of the year, nothing is gonna stop the 3DS:
Monster Hunter 4 (September 14) + Pokémon X / Y (October 12) + One Piece Unlimited World R (November 11) + Puzzle & Dragons Z (December most likely)

Poor Vita is gonna get crushed.

It's a shame there even is a handheld market besides smartphones.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"][QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Thats one of the reasons TC is disappointed, there is a superior platform that is getting left behind.

 

Nickprovs

It's not just the innards. The Vita has two analog sticks. Games that are currently being released for the 3ds could be controlled so much better on the Vita. Games like Monster Hunter, and Resident Evil, which are huge games on the 3DS are difficult to control unless one buys a slab with an extra analog on it. And people do it too. So yes, I am saying it's dissapointing that the machine with the superior hardware isn't performing better than the 3ds. But this doesn't only extend to the cpu, gpu, or ram. But also how it's made. It's comftorable, fits in your hands well, and is about the same size as the 3ds xl. And judging by the sales of the xl, people don't mind the plus size of their portables all that much.

I'm not suprised that the Vita is doing poorly. I'm just disappointed, as I've stated.

It's a shame there even is a handheld market besides smartphones.

The_Power_of_X

It's a shame Vita doesn't have more games but there it is. More games = More customers. tagyhag

It's true, but the first step is not to assure a huge ammount of games, but the crucial ones.

If Vita had Monster Hunter on their side the competition would be alot more balanced.

[QUOTE="The_Power_of_X"]

It's a shame there even is a handheld market besides smartphones.

TheKingIAm

Vita is proof that hardware does not make the system. Eat your heart out, cows.

I'm happy with my 3DS, but I would like the Vita to do better. I do want an excuse to buy one for Gravity Rush.