It's Official, PS3 now in 2nd place

Okay, so?

Well that could be right. On the other hand this forecast is from IDC.

And I am sure we all remember this famous IDC forecast

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Are the cows still in denial that these aren't official numbers?Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

ROFL :lol:

SO MUCH BUTTHURT :lol:

All I read is "bu bu bu it took 6 years!" "bu bu bu profits!" "bu bu bu potato!"

Just LOL :lol:

tormentos

"Profits :lol: " must've been the general consensus among SEGA fanboys just before SEGA imploded into itself. But do laugh away if it makes you feel better.

Jeez..I was hyperboling, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, just a piss poor example from my side.

Still, profits are no laughing matter (which is what I tried to stress); and whilst Microsoft have managed to become profitable from their games division this generation, Sony haven't. Microsoft have increased their market share, Sony have lost a huge chunk of market share they had previously.

As such, Microsoft are in a better position for the upcoming generation than they were at the beginning of last generation. The opposite is true in Sony's case. The tables have turned and unofficial reports of how Sony may have bested Microsoft in total unit sales do absolutely FVCK ALL in neglecting the massive changes in market share which are in Microsoft's favour no matter how you try to spin it.

Sony PS division has lost $4.7 billion since launching PS3

http://www.vg247.com/2009/10/30/sony-ps-division-has-lost-4-7-billion-since-launching-ps3/

Whereas Microsoft have gained $300m since launching the 360.

And Sony's loss includes whiping off whatever money they made from PS2.

The contrast are so stark that you look pathetic even TRYING to make Sony look good coming out of this.

...but then again, I am a gamer at heart, and not an investor in these companies. And with respect to gaming this generation, Sony have absolutely MERKED Microsoft in my opinion. Now THAT is what cows should be celebrating. Not Sony perhaps having managed to overtake the 360 with a measly 1 million units more sold (just throwing that number out there) whilst they managed to lose almost $5 billion in the process and the biggest fall from grace this industry has ever seen. Pathetic :lol:

Cows :lol:

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Good comeback. However, is the report based on official shipping figures?

Thefatness16

Estimates from a analyst that gave you this forecast at the end of 2008.

Only missed it my that much... :P

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Good comeback. However, is the report based on official shipping figures?

Thefatness16

Estimates from a analyst that gave you this forecast at the end of 2008.

lol, ouch.

Sorry, but the nonsense is coming from your end (the arse end even). It's honestly difficult to comprehend what you're writing.

Xbox 360, a fiction of success? Are you bloody serious? :| The Xbox division has turned a profit on a year to year basis since 2008, despite the prevalence RROD. There's a logical reason Microsoft have allowed the 360 to get a run in for twice as many years as the original Xbox. Simply, the 360 has managed to be profitable whilst attaining market share. The original Xbox was a foot in marketshare-wise, however it wasn't sustainable for Microsoft to keep it around for much longer due to the expenses far overshadowing profits. As of 2005 Microsoft had lost $4 billion on their Xbox division; thus it was only logical for them to move on and try their hand at a more profitable console - namely the 360.

The space of time IS irrelevant in the context that, had Xbox been around for 4 years longer then sure, marketshare would had been up Microsoft's way. But at a massive cost in an industry environment where they had very little to put up against the behemot we know as PS2.

It matters little that 11 million units more of 360s were sold in a time-frame comparable to the original considering how much profit Microsoft have managed to gain from the console and its CURRENT market share. And trying to attribute a lot of said sales to RROD is pathetic, desperate, speculative and highly nonsencial of you. But then again, that is the cow mantra.

You must also have missed that MS extended the warranty for RROD-victims.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-extending-360-warranty-to-three-years-6173633

ToScA-

What is the Wii at?.. 90 something million?.. I don't think it will sell much more than it already has. If Sony keeps going the ps3 could eventually outsell that too.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]With PS3, Sony managed to wipe out the profits gained from PS2 - the most successful console of all time. A fall from grace if I've ever seen one. No "matching" of its main competitors console sales is going to repair that kind of damage. I hope Sony better themselves for this new generation as I think they appeal more to me, a hardcore gamer. ToScA-

Let's here it cows... We're #2.. We're #2 !!! :P

Marketshare and profits are what these companies crave, mainly.

Sony have lost marketshare and profits whereas Microsoft have gained marketshare and profits.

Only in bovine country are Sony winning when they are losing. Sad.

Buh buh teh profits, teh marketshare. PS3 outsold 360, you guys are gonna have to get over it and stop crying. Its looking pretty sad.

Last official Sony report :

Tokyo, November 15, 2012 Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCE) today announced that the cumulative sales of the PlayStation®3 (PS3®) computer entertainment system reached a milestone of 70 million units worldwide as of November 4, 2012 less than six years after the platform launched in 2006. SCE also announced that sales of the PlayStation®Move motion controller surpassed 15 million units worldwide as of November 11, demonstrating continued growth and momentum of the PS3® platform.

Sony shipped 6.5 million consoles in the whole of Q4 of it's best selling year 2009 , it's a reccesion, all sales are down and this website states that Sony shipped over 7 million consoles in just the last 6 weeks .

Really Cows :lol:

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]Sorry, but the nonsense is coming from your end (the arse end even). It's honestly difficult to comprehend what you're writing.

Xbox 360, a fiction of success? Are you bloody serious? :| The Xbox division has turned a profit on a year to year basis since 2008, despite the prevalence RROD. There's a logical reason Microsoft have allowed the 360 to get a run in for twice as many years as the original Xbox. Simply, the 360 has managed to be profitable whilst attaining market share. The original Xbox was a foot in marketshare-wise, however it wasn't sustainable for Microsoft to keep it around for much longer due to the expenses far overshadowing profits. As of 2005 Microsoft had lost $4 billion on their Xbox division; thus it was only logical for them to move on and try their hand at a more profitable console - namely the 360.

The space of time IS irrelevant in the context that, had Xbox been around for 4 years longer then sure, marketshare would had been up Microsoft's way. But at a massive cost in an industry environment where they had very little to put up against the behemot we know as PS2.

It matters little that 11 million units more of 360s were sold in a time-frame comparable to the original considering how much profit Microsoft have managed to gain from the console and its CURRENT market share. And trying to attribute a lot of said sales to RROD is pathetic, desperate, speculative and highly nonsencial of you. But then again, that is the cow mantra.

You must also have missed that MS extended the warranty for RROD-victims.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-extending-360-warranty-to-three-years-6173633

tormentos

I'm talking about the CURRENT generation you mongrel. And fact is that Microsoft HAVE turned a profit from their Xbox division this generation - how miniscule that profit now may be, it's still a profit. On the other hand, Sony have posted a MASSIVE loss. Make of that what you will, I'm sick of your inane ramblings.

So, not official? Badosh

was bound to happen sooner or later. my "system wars myths that need to die" prediction didn't come true but this generation lasted longer than i thought it would.

...but then again, I am a gamer at heart, and not an investor in these companies. And with respect to gaming this generation, Sony have absolutely MERKED Microsoft in my opinion. Now THAT is what cows should be celebrating. Not Sony perhaps having managed to overtake the 360 with a measly 1 million units more sold (just throwing that number out there) whilst they managed to lose almost $5 billion in the process and the biggest fall from grace this industry has ever seen. Pathetic :lol:

Cows :lol:

ToScA-

I wouldn't call it this biggest fall from grace this industry has ever seen, necessarily. That dubious honor would likely go to Sega or Atari (who quite literally killed the gaming industry for a short time). Rather, I'd point to just how impressive it was to see Microsoft make such smart moves that they essentially took some of Sony's piece of the pie (while Nintendo did the same, using a different strategy) and helped expand the userbase for the overall console market even more than Sony already had the previous generation. Sony's failings started with the PS2, where their online infrastructure was nearly non-existent and certainly had no way to compete with something as novel and forward thinking as XBL.

However, moving outside of gaming we can see perhaps the real issues the company faced. Namely, televisions and phones, among other things. Such as a stubborn and continued focus on markets like dedicated cameras, which become more niche every year.

I mean, I don't know the exact numbers behind all of this and don't care to do the research as far as profits and losses over the last six to seven years, but that's just because, as you said above, I'm a gamer at heart. Not an investor. None of this other stuff really concerns me.

Will you Lems just come to terms with this? PS3 sells much better than 360 during the early parts of the year. With PS3s exclusives coming this year, the gap will only get wider, especially with no Halo or Cod coming out. You're only delaying the inevitable with your need for "official numbers" just give it a rest already guys. 360 was destined for 3rd place. Their last official numbers had them tied. Sure, MS said theirs first, but Sony stated theirs over a week after they hit the milestone. They wrere clearly tied at the time. PS3 outsold 360, get over it guys and move on.

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Nah, who cares about Sony's financial, the Only thing that matters to SW cows is did PS3 outsell 360 by at least one console :o all else, even Sony going bust, is unimportant in the long run. :shock:

Let's here it cows... We're #2.. We're #2 !!! :P

NineTailedGoku

Marketshare and profits are what these companies crave, mainly.

Sony have lost marketshare and profits whereas Microsoft have gained marketshare and profits.

Only in bovine country are Sony winning when they are losing. Sad.

Buh buh teh profits, teh marketshare. PS3 outsold 360, you guys are gonna have to get over it and stop crying. Its looking pretty sad.

There's nothing for me to get over :| I couldn't care less if the PS3 outsells the 360 or if it's the other way around. What I find annoying though is cows, much like yourself, claiming victory over SALES disregarding everything else in the context of these sales. Namely why Microsoft are winners ahead of Sony this generation at a point of time where sales figures are largely irrelevant. You try getting over that, chap.

Jeez..I was hyperboling, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, just a piss poor example from my side.

Still, profits are no laughing matter (which is what I tried to stress); and whilst Microsoft have managed to become profitable from their games division this generation, Sony haven't. Microsoft have increased their market share, Sony have lost a huge chunk of market share they had previously.

As such, Microsoft are in a better position for the upcoming generation than they were at the beginning of last generation. The opposite is true in Sony's case. The tables have turned and unofficial reports of how Sony may have bested Microsoft in total unit sales do absolutely FVCK ALL in neglecting the massive changes in market share which are in Microsoft's favour no matter how you try to spin it.

Sony PS division has lost $4.7 billion since launching PS3

http://www.vg247.com/2009/10/30/sony-ps-division-has-lost-4-7-billion-since-launching-ps3/

Whereas Microsoft have gained $300m since launching the 360.

And Sony's loss includes whiping off whatever money they made from PS2.

The contrast are so stark that you look pathetic even TRYING to make Sony look good coming out of this.

...but then again, I am a gamer at heart, and not an investor in these companies. And with respect to gaming this generation, Sony have absolutely MERKED Microsoft in my opinion. Now THAT is what cows should be celebrating. Not Sony perhaps having managed to overtake the 360 with a measly 1 million units more sold (just throwing that number out there) whilst they managed to lose almost $5 billion in the process and the biggest fall from grace this industry has ever seen. Pathetic :lol:

Cows :lol:

ToScA-

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Good comeback. However, is the report based on official shipping figures?

Thefatness16

Estimates from a analyst that gave you this forecast at the end of 2008.

was bound to happen sooner or later. my "system wars myths that need to die" prediction didn't come true but this generation lasted longer than i thought it would.

CaseyWegner

or i suppose i should take this back until there are official numbers.

Sony's official numbers from 4 November show that 77 million is simply impossible !

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] Correct.Badosh

Don't know what youre expecting come official numbers. PS3 sells much faster than 360 in the early parts of the year.

Can I expand on my original post of "okay" with an amended "who the f*ck cares?"

Seriously, do you all own Sony or MS stock or something?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

was bound to happen sooner or later. my "system wars myths that need to die" prediction didn't come true but this generation lasted longer than i thought it would.

CaseyWegner

or i suppose i should take this back until there are official numbers.

Yeah, these numbers are pretty much 100% bogus it would seem. Or Sony shipped consoles just to inflate sales quickly.

[QUOTE="NineTailedGoku"]

Will you Lems just come to terms with this? PS3 sells much better than 360 during the early parts of the year. With PS3s exclusives coming this year, the gap will only get wider, especially with no Halo or Cod coming out. You're only delaying the inevitable with your need for "official numbers" just give it a rest already guys. 360 was destined for 3rd place. Their last official numbers had them tied. Sure, MS said theirs first, but Sony stated theirs over a week after they hit the milestone. They wrere clearly tied at the time. PS3 outsold 360, get over it guys and move on.

sts106mat

None of the retail exclusives had buzz like this years exclusives does....and of course Halo 4 shifted consoles, its xbox's biggest franchise.

Sony's official numbers from 4 November show that 77 million is simply impossible !

Caseytappy

I wpuldn't worry about it, they don't teach Logic, Reading Comprehension pr Math Skills on Planet Bovine. Only 'positive news 100% accurate, negative news a conspiracy against Sony.'

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

was bound to happen sooner or later. my "system wars myths that need to die" prediction didn't come true but this generation lasted longer than i thought it would.

Assassin_87

or i suppose i should take this back until there are official numbers.

Yeah, these numbers are pretty much 100% bogus it would seem. Or Sony shipped consoles just to inflate sales quickly.

i don't know if they'd ship them unless somebody ordered them.

Don't know what youre expecting come official numbers. PS3 sells much faster than 360 in the early parts of the year.NineTailedGoku

[QUOTE="NineTailedGoku"]Don't know what youre expecting come official numbers. PS3 sells much faster than 360 in the early parts of the year.Badosh

Why you mad tho?

[QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Good comeback. However, is the report based on official shipping figures?

Tessellation

Estimates from a analyst that gave you this forecast at the end of 2008.

You can keep at it, but it won't matter. Fanboys see what they wanna see.And as of now, they see an estimate as official #'s.

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]Jeez..I was hyperboling, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, just a piss poor example from my side.

Still, profits are no laughing matter (which is what I tried to stress); and whilst Microsoft have managed to become profitable from their games division this generation, Sony haven't. Microsoft have increased their market share, Sony have lost a huge chunk of market share they had previously.

As such, Microsoft are in a better position for the upcoming generation than they were at the beginning of last generation. The opposite is true in Sony's case. The tables have turned and unofficial reports of how Sony may have bested Microsoft in total unit sales do absolutely FVCK ALL in neglecting the massive changes in market share which are in Microsoft's favour no matter how you try to spin it.

Sony PS division has lost $4.7 billion since launching PS3

http://www.vg247.com/2009/10/30/sony-ps-division-has-lost-4-7-billion-since-launching-ps3/

Whereas Microsoft have gained $300m since launching the 360.

And Sony's loss includes whiping off whatever money they made from PS2.

The contrast are so stark that you look pathetic even TRYING to make Sony look good coming out of this.

...but then again, I am a gamer at heart, and not an investor in these companies. And with respect to gaming this generation, Sony have absolutely MERKED Microsoft in my opinion. Now THAT is what cows should be celebrating. Not Sony perhaps having managed to overtake the 360 with a measly 1 million units more sold (just throwing that number out there) whilst they managed to lose almost $5 billion in the process and the biggest fall from grace this industry has ever seen. Pathetic :lol:

Cows :lol:

tormentos

I have already explained to you why Microsoft did indeed make a profit this generation from their Xbox division, my post is a page or so back. I will not fvcking do it again; it's like talking to a damn wall.

In my calculations I started from where Microsoft launched the Xbox 360 - again, this generation. That is, from the fiscal year 2006. I posted their losses of 2006 (namely the loss of $1.9 billion). Despite this loss and another one in 2007, they STILL turned a profit. But hey, feel free to conveniently ignore that. After all, that's what you cows do best.

Me, a fanboy at heart? :lol::lol::lol::lol: Again, you embarass yourself. I have only two consoles:

Playstation 2

Playstation 3

Thus I have absolutely fvck all to gain from criticizing Sony and their console, and bugger all to gain from praising Microsoft and their console. But jog on bro, keep living in your delusional dreamworld where anyone who says something remotely negative about Sony, or related, is a blind fanboy. Now YOU know the score.Fvck off.

i don't know if they'd ship them unless somebody ordered them.

CaseyWegner

Well yeah obviously. I suppose the numbers could just be that jacked up.

[QUOTE="Badosh"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] Correct.NineTailedGoku

Don't know what youre expecting come official numbers. PS3 sells much faster than 360 in the early parts of the year.

wow. this thread is popular.

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

[QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

Estimates from a analyst that gave you this forecast at the end of 2008.

Thefatness16

You can keep at it, but it won't matter. Fanboys see what they wanna see.And as of now, they see an estimate as official #'s.

You can keep at it, but it won't matter. Fanboys see what they wanna see.And as of now, they see an estimate as official #'s.

Thefatness16

You'd think lems had no more tears to shed after all the ownage they've endured but boy do they keep on surprising us :lol:

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]Sorry, but the nonsense is coming from your end (the arse end even). It's honestly difficult to comprehend what you're writing.

Xbox 360, a fiction of success? Are you bloody serious? :| The Xbox division has turned a profit on a year to year basis since 2008, despite the prevalence RROD. There's a logical reason Microsoft have allowed the 360 to get a run in for twice as many years as the original Xbox. Simply, the 360 has managed to be profitable whilst attaining market share. The original Xbox was a foot in marketshare-wise, however it wasn't sustainable for Microsoft to keep it around for much longer due to the expenses far overshadowing profits. As of 2005 Microsoft had lost $4 billion on their Xbox division; thus it was only logical for them to move on and try their hand at a more profitable console - namely the 360.

The space of time IS irrelevant in the context that, had Xbox been around for 4 years longer then sure, marketshare would had been up Microsoft's way. But at a massive cost in an industry environment where they had very little to put up against the behemot we know as PS2.

It matters little that 11 million units more of 360s were sold in a time-frame comparable to the original considering how much profit Microsoft have managed to gain from the console and its CURRENT market share. And trying to attribute a lot of said sales to RROD is pathetic, desperate, speculative and highly nonsencial of you. But then again, that is the cow mantra.

You must also have missed that MS extended the warranty for RROD-victims.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-extending-360-warranty-to-three-years-6173633

tormentos

Profit is tied to a yearly cycle. What you made or lost last year is irrelevant. What matters is what are you currently making/losing and what are your expectations about future profit. Adding up gains and losses across multiple generations/multiple years is irrelevant. No one makes business decisions that way. If they did there would never have been an X360.

What you are sort of attempting to do is project lifecycle economics on a return on equity or return on invested capital basis. But even then, you cannot add up gains/losses across different projects (Xbox vs 360) as they are independent investments and everything about the original Xbox is sunk and therefore irrelevant to the economics of the 360.

This is why the PS2 is an amazing success. The original Xbox an amazing failure. The PS3 a borderline dud. And the 360 a pretty good success (with a stunningly bad RROD subplot). ***Note my descriptors are based solely on the financials***

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="ToScA-"]Jeez..I was hyperboling, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, just a piss poor example from my side.

Still, profits are no laughing matter (which is what I tried to stress); and whilst Microsoft have managed to become profitable from their games division this generation, Sony haven't. Microsoft have increased their market share, Sony have lost a huge chunk of market share they had previously.

As such, Microsoft are in a better position for the upcoming generation than they were at the beginning of last generation. The opposite is true in Sony's case. The tables have turned and unofficial reports of how Sony may have bested Microsoft in total unit sales do absolutely FVCK ALL in neglecting the massive changes in market share which are in Microsoft's favour no matter how you try to spin it.

Sony PS division has lost $4.7 billion since launching PS3

http://www.vg247.com/2009/10/30/sony-ps-division-has-lost-4-7-billion-since-launching-ps3/

Whereas Microsoft have gained $300m since launching the 360.

And Sony's loss includes whiping off whatever money they made from PS2.

The contrast are so stark that you look pathetic even TRYING to make Sony look good coming out of this.

...but then again, I am a gamer at heart, and not an investor in these companies. And with respect to gaming this generation, Sony have absolutely MERKED Microsoft in my opinion. Now THAT is what cows should be celebrating. Not Sony perhaps having managed to overtake the 360 with a measly 1 million units more sold (just throwing that number out there) whilst they managed to lose almost $5 billion in the process and the biggest fall from grace this industry has ever seen. Pathetic :lol:

Cows :lol:

ToScA-

I have already explained to you why Microsoft did indeed make a profit this generation from their Xbox division, my post is a page or so back. I will not fvcking do it again; it's like talking to a damn wall.

In my calculations I started from where Microsoft launched the Xbox 360 - again, this generation. That is, from the fiscal year 2006. I posted their losses of 2006 (namely the loss of $1.9 billion). Despite this loss and another one in 2007, they STILL turned a profit. But hey, feel free to conveniently ignore that. After all, that's what you cows do best.

Me, a fanboy at heart? :lol::lol::lol::lol: Again, you embarass yourself. I have only two consoles:

Playstation 2

Playstation 3

Thus I have absolutely fvck all to gain from criticizing Sony and their console, and bugger all to gain from praising Microsoft and their console. But jog on bro, keep living in your delusional dreamworld where anyone who says something remotely negative about Sony, or related, is a blind fanboy. Now YOU know the score.Fvck off.

You only own a PS2 and PS3, yet you're digging super hard to prove MS made a profit. Hmmm, sounds about right.

Overstocking 7 million in 6 weeks is insane .

I mean , in 2009 , their best year they shipped just 6.5 million in the whole Q4 so why would they stock 7 million in a couple of weeks .

Makes no sense .

You'd think lems had no more tears to shed after all the ownage they've endured but boy do they keep on surprising us :lol:

Eddie-Vedder

Guys, this is about sales, not profits! We're not investors. I can see us talking about sales numbers because its like your favorite team having the most points, but cmon, all this discussion about profit is sad when it has even less to do with us then sales numbers! Stop the damage control guys.

Overstocking 7 million in 6 weeks is insane .

I mean , in 2009 , their best year they shipped just 6.5 million in the whole Q4 so why would they stock 7 million in a couple of weeks .

Makes no sense .

Caseytappy