It's so good to be a sheep this generation... all Wii ever get is GOOD NEWS :)

All I see everytime I browse game sites is things like:

360 division revenues slump, or Kutagari replaced, os Sony discontinues 20 gb PS3, or loses exclusivitity on this game or that game... not to mention pretty dissapointing sales from both consoles.

With the Wii on the other hand it's more like:

Nintendo sets new records in sales or profits, Wii fastest selling console ever, Nintendo aquires Monolith, this dev or that dev decides to start making games for the Wii, the Wii gets (fill in the blank) third party announcment, How the Wii is creaming the competition, Devs scramble to try and play catch up on Nintendo's console

Ahhh you hear that?

that's the sound of victory... sweet sweet victory how sweet it is...

You always see loses exclusivity, but its never to the wii. Its good to be a lem/cow this gen because they get AC, GTA4, DMC4, and plenty of other good games that sheep won't see.reaperstoll

That's what a PC is for ^_^ 

You always see loses exclusivity, but its never to the wii. Its good to be a lem/cow this gen because they get AC, GTA4, DMC4, and plenty of other good games that sheep won't see.reaperstoll

So?  Wii will get alot of games that will never be on the other consoles 

All I see everytime I browse game sites is things like:

360 division revenues slump, or Kutagari replaced, os Sony discontinues 20 gb PS3, or loses exclusivitity on this game or that game... not to mention pretty dissapointing sales from both consoles.

With the Wii on the other hand it's more like:

Nintendo sets new records in sales or profits, Wii fastest selling console ever, Nintendo aquires Monolith, this dev or that dev decides to start making games for the Wii, the Wii gets (fill in the blank) third party announcment, How the Wii is creaming the competition, Devs scramble to try and play catch up on Nintendo's console

Ahhh you hear that?

that's the sound of victory... sweet sweet victory how sweet it is...

jedigemini

HAHA very nicely put its nice to see Nintendo whoop the competition with its teh kiddy graphix

Not really... you miss out on a lot of games...foxhound_fox

All I see everytime I browse game sites is things like:

360 division revenues slump, or Kutagari replaced, os Sony discontinues 20 gb PS3, or loses exclusivitity on this game or that game... not to mention pretty dissapointing sales from both consoles.

With the Wii on the other hand it's more like:

Nintnedo sets new records in sales or profits, Wii fastest selling console ever, Nintendo aquires Monolith, this dev or that dev decides to start making games for the Wii, the Wii gets (fill in the blank) third party announcment, How the Wii is creaming the competition, Devs scramble to try and play catch up on Nintendo's console

Ahhh you hear that?

that's the sound of victory... sweet sweet victory how sweet it is...

 

jedigemini

Not for me. The Wii's game library is beyond awful and it is beyond a reasonable doubt that Nintendo actually are enjoying this.

Lets see: Dewey's, Opoona, Galaxy, Brawl, Prime, TP, Warioware, ports, Zorro, crap graphics.....list goes on.

Or: Assassian's Creed, Tom Clancy games, Kane and Lynch, GTA 4, Indiana Jones, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Alan Wake, Halo 3,Mass Effect, Clive Barker's Jericho, Banjo 3, Fozora, and many more to come.......

Now what do I really want? Choice is clear.

not if you have a Wii and a PCAvinashTyagi

The Wii is a good system, no doubt about that. The thing about the Wii is that Nintendo is marketing the system to non-gamers and casuals. That is a good plan, except for the fact that non-gamers and casuals really dont play a whole lot of games. That could be one reason why despite the fact that Wiis are selling well, the games really arent.

I have a Wii myself and enjoy picking it up from time to time. However, Wii Sports got old. WarioWare got old. Beat Zelda. Couldnt get into Red Steel, ExciteTruck, Tony Hawk, etc. These games are done better on other systems. My point? Wheres the games?

Not for me. The Wii's game library is beyond awful and it is beyond a reasonable doubt that Nintendo actually are enjoying this.

Lets see: Dewey's, Opoona, Galaxy, Brawl, Prime, TP, Warioware, ports, Zorro, crap graphics.....list goes on.

Or: Assassian's Creed, Tom Clancy games, Kane and Lynch, GTA 4, Indiana Jones, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Alan Wake, Halo 3,Mass Effect, Clive Barker's Jericho, Banjo 3, Fozora, and many more to come....... Plus, Gears, Ghost Recon, Ghost Recon 2, Dead Rising, Oblivion, Rainbow 6 vegas, Fear, Crack Down, The Shivering Isles, and Perfect dark to boot.

Now what do I really want? Choice is clear.

Ninten007

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"]not if you have a Wii and a PCfoxhound_fox

Nothing that I want, all the good stuff will eventually make it to the PC 

Is this what you're looking for? Some kind of congratulatory message? If you're a Nintendo shareholder, check your wallet, there's your reward.

As a gamer, you're basically viewing how much you've been screwed up the butt for. "Nintendo - record profits" ... hmm, still can't play GTA on a Wii, and they have your money... congrats.

Where's the online that Nintendo promised me when I bought a Gamecube?
Where is the "wow" that I was supposed to say when I saw the Wii graphics?
Where are the hardcore games (don't confuse this with violence, the Godfather is not a hardcore game, it's about gameplay)

Nintendo fans keep raging about how it's about "gameplay > graphics" but every game I've touched on the Wii has felt dated - not because of the graphics, but because of the attitude Nintendo and other companies have about the Wii. Even the PS2 has superior games (Okami, God of War 2, Odin Sphere) coming out for it - and it is definately graphically inferior to the Wii.

I'm done with Nintendo consoles - they have not changed *at all* from the company that was screwing 'cube owners over. Twilight Princess? Delayed for two years so that they could have it for Wii owners? Way to reward my loyalty.

but in the end, for me, it's about the games - and ultimately Nintendo is simplifying their franchies to gain a bigger audience - at the expense of making them completely worthless for me as a gamer.

The Wii is a good system, no doubt about that. The thing about the Wii is that Nintendo is marketing the system to non-gamers and casuals. That is a good plan, except for the fact that non-gamers and casuals really dont play a whole lot of games. That could be one reason why despite the fact that Wiis are selling well, the games really arent.

I have a Wii myself and enjoy picking it up from time to time. However, Wii Sports got old. WarioWare got old. Beat Zelda. Couldnt get into Red Steel, ExciteTruck, Tony Hawk, etc. These games are done better on other systems. My point? Wheres the games?

RossRichard

Is this what you're looking for? Some kind of congratulatory message? If you're a Nintendo shareholder, check your wallet, there's your reward.

As a gamer, you're basically viewing how much you've been screwed up the butt for. "Nintendo - record profits" ... hmm, still can't play GTA on a Wii, and they have your money... congrats.

Where's the online that Nintendo promised me when I bought a Gamecube?
Where is the "wow" that I was supposed to say when I saw the Wii graphics?
Where are the hardcore games (don't confuse this with violence, the Godfather is not a hardcore game, it's about gameplay)

Nintendo fans keep raging about how it's about "gameplay > graphics" but every game I've touched on the Wii has felt dated - not because of the graphics, but because of the attitude Nintendo and other companies have about the Wii. Even the PS2 has superior games (Okami, God of War 2, Odin Sphere) coming out for it - and it is definately graphically inferior to the Wii.

I'm done with Nintendo consoles - they have not changed *at all* from the company that was screwing 'cube owners over. Twilight Princess? Delayed for two years so that they could have it for Wii owners? Way to reward my loyalty.

but in the end, for me, it's about the games - and ultimately Nintendo is simplifying their franchies to gain a bigger audience - at the expense of making them completely worthless for me as a gamer.

subrosian

Post of the year. This is actually how I feel about Nintendo, I was screwed by them, I gave them my money and they got fat and rich in profits while my GC collected dust and I was full of anger and envy when so many games were flocking to Xbox and PS2 when Nintendo promised so much with the Cube. Not to mention the Twilight Princess scam. This sent me over the edge and I am done with them and I dont care if they succeed with the Wii or not because frankly I dont play dumbed down games.

I actually opened my eyes and I hope to pick up a 360 down the road and get satisfied with games, not Nintendo's profits.

Nothing that I want, all the good stuff will eventually make it to the PC AvinashTyagi

If the Wii could output next-gen graphics,and had online,then I would honestly consider supporting it. But this gen,Nintendo dropped the ball on what's important,and ran with what isn't.Not good at all.Dualshockin

Actually I think Nintendo nailed what's important, I don't care about graphics that much, started replaying maniac mansion today, game is great even with the terrible graphics

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]If the Wii could output next-gen graphics,and had online,then I would honestly consider supporting it. But this gen,Nintendo dropped the ball on what's important,and ran with what isn't.Not good at all.AvinashTyagi

Actually I think Nintendo nailed what's important, I don't care about graphics that much, started replaying maniac mansion today, game is great even with the terrible graphics

:lol: Thats funny, Wednesday I went back and beat that game with Bernard and Razor. Great game. Forgot how fun it was.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]If the Wii could output next-gen graphics,and had online,then I would honestly consider supporting it. But this gen,Nintendo dropped the ball on what's important,and ran with what isn't.Not good at all.AvinashTyagi

Actually I think Nintendo nailed what's important, I don't care about graphics that much, started replaying maniac mansion today, game is great even with the terrible graphics

People thinking they've been screwed by Nintendo is blatent stupidity at its best.  There is no argument for Nintendo screwing its customers that holds water.

If you bought a Wii and you feel screwed, the only one doing the screwing is yourself for buying a piece of plastic that doesn't appeal to you.

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]If the Wii could output next-gen graphics,and had online,then I would honestly consider supporting it. But this gen,Nintendo dropped the ball on what's important,and ran with what isn't.Not good at all.Dualshockin

Actually I think Nintendo nailed what's important, I don't care about graphics that much, started replaying maniac mansion today, game is great even with the terrible graphics

Yes it is, its appealing to everyone not just the hardcore, and IYO those things are important, i'm not big on online gaming, too many jerks out there, I only play with people I know so ninty's FCs don't bother me, and I have better Multimedia hardware elsewhere so I don't need a multimedia console, and graphics like I said don't matter to me, only gameplay matters

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]If the Wii could output next-gen graphics,and had online,then I would honestly consider supporting it. But this gen,Nintendo dropped the ball on what's important,and ran with what isn't.Not good at all.Dualshockin

Actually I think Nintendo nailed what's important, I don't care about graphics that much, started replaying maniac mansion today, game is great even with the terrible graphics

There is no argument for Nintendo screwing its customers that holds water.

Michael85

How about charging $70-$80 a game in the SNES era?

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]If the Wii could output next-gen graphics,and had online,then I would honestly consider supporting it. But this gen,Nintendo dropped the ball on what's important,and ran with what isn't.Not good at all.subrosian

Actually I think Nintendo nailed what's important, I don't care about graphics that much, started replaying maniac mansion today, game is great even with the terrible graphics

Dude grow up, that whole oooh, my parents like something so it must be lame, or something is cool if my parents hate it is so childish, as long as I like it that's all that matters, great sales and mass appeal, are icing

As a gamer, you're basically viewing how much you've been screwed up the butt for. "Nintendo - record profits" ... hmm, still can't play GTA on a Wii, and they have your money... congrats.subrosian

And I can't play Smash Bros on the 360. Damn.

Where's the online that Nintendo promised me when I bought a Gamecube?
Where is the "wow" that I was supposed to say when I saw the Wii graphics?
Where are the hardcore games (don't confuse this with violence, the Godfather is not a hardcore game, it's about gameplay)subrosian

Four months and you're complaining about the catalog? I lol'd. I already bought more and am enjoying more games for the Wii than I did for my Xbox and PS2 last gen.

Nintendo fans keep raging about how it's about "gameplay > graphics" but every game I've touched on the Wii has felt dated - not because of the graphics, but because of the attitude Nintendo and other companies have about the Wii. Even the PS2 has superior games (Okami, God of War 2, Odin Sphere) coming out for it - and it is definately graphically inferior to the Wii.subrosian

 Stop the presses! My SNES has better games than the Wii as well! Then again it's been out for awhile...too.

I'm done with Nintendo consoles - they have not changed *at all* from the company that was screwing 'cube owners over. Twilight Princess? Delayed for two years so that they could have it for Wii owners? Way to reward my loyalty.subrosian

 A game twice the length of others in the series that was delayed for one year (not two bro), and you're complaining that it was a multiplat release? Nice.

but in the end, for me, it's about the games - and ultimately Nintendo is simplifying their franchies to gain a bigger audience - at the expense of making them completely worthless for me as a gamer.subrosian

Simplification of franchises? Like what? I've seen new franchises with a non-gamer edge, but how exactly are future releases like Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros. Brawl simplified? Hell, Super Paper Mario...a simplified version of the Platformer-RPG? Do you own it?

Sounds like you've either been away from Nintendo for awhile or that you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sorry that Nintendo bruised your youth with a console that I agree was bad (the Cube), but ranting about Nintendo in their "return" and saying that nothing is changed, while saying that a console that most hardcore gamers on the internet in almost every poll love above the others this gen is worthless for hardcore gamers. Sorry, I don't see where you're going with you're rant.

[QUOTE="Michael85"]

There is no argument for Nintendo screwing its customers that holds water.

RossRichard

How about charging $70-$80 a game in the SNES era?

How about censoring games on the SNES? How about refusing to bring over Super Mario Bros II, because it was "too hard" for Amercian gamers? How about cel-shading Wind Waker? How about delaying Twilight Princess two years so they could sell more Wii consoles? How about not putting component cables for the Gamecube on store shelves? How about pulling the broadband adaptor for store shelves? How about not bringing Mother to the US?

Nintendo is not different from the company they were in the NES / SNES era - they tried a creative project again, it works, so they keep making it, putting as little money as they can into actually supporting it, and releasing the games you bought the system for when it's convient for them.

And how do they respond to the competition's game releases - when the competitoin is advancing gaming, creating games that are art pieces, offering online gameplay, and pushing the bleeding edge of what we thought was possible? Errr... sales.

Like I've said, you let me know when Nintendo's profits put more games on your system, or in any way improve the gameplay.

glad you are happy playing kiddy games. I hear they making 124 more kiddy games with PS1 quality graphics.

I don't know if I should feel sad or happy for the sheep. at least they are delusional enough to not notice the mediocare games.  

[QUOTE="subrosian"]
As a gamer, you're basically viewing how much you've been screwed up the butt for. "Nintendo - record profits" ... hmm, still can't play GTA on a Wii, and they have your money... congrats.NECR0CHILD313

And I can't play Smash Bros on the 360. Damn.

I can't play Brawl on the Wii yet either. Damn.

Where's the online that Nintendo promised me when I bought a Gamecube?
Where is the "wow" that I was supposed to say when I saw the Wii graphics?
Where are the hardcore games (don't confuse this with violence, the Godfather is not a hardcore game, it's about gameplay)subrosian

Four months and you're complaining about the catalog? I lol'd. I already bought more and am enjoying more games for the Wii than I did for my Xbox and PS2 last gen.NECR0CHILD313

Then you're completely ignorant of the Xbox and PS2 library. Forget "last gen" - Okami, God of War II, Final Fantasy XII, Disgaea II, Rogue Galaxy, and Odin Sphere - all recently released and recently upcoming games that absolutely *slaughter* the Wii library.

Halo 2 - new maps - yeah, three years later, new maps - and still the largest online multiplayer following of *any* console game ever. Way to go!

Nintendo fans keep raging about how it's about "gameplay > graphics" but every game I've touched on the Wii has felt dated - not because of the graphics, but because of the attitude Nintendo and other companies have about the Wii. Even the PS2 has superior games (Okami, God of War 2, Odin Sphere) coming out for it - and it is definately graphically inferior to the Wii.subrosian

Stop the presses! My SNES has better games than the Wii as well! Then again it's been out for awhile...too. NECR0CHILD313

The PS3 has better games than the Wii. End of story. They've both been out the same amount of time, and the PS3 is producing superior games. The best console verison of Oblivion scored higher than the best console version of Twilight Princess, and Resistance is light-years ahead of Red Steel.

And I'm a 360 fan, not a PS3 fan, but since you insist on pretending systems should for some reason be given a time buffer to prove themselves, ignoring that systems released earlier might be producing better games.

I'm done with Nintendo consoles - they have not changed *at all* from the company that was screwing 'cube owners over. Twilight Princess? Delayed for two years so that they could have it for Wii owners? Way to reward my loyalty.subrosian

A game twice the length of others in the series that was delayed for one year (not two bro), and you're complaining that it was a multiplat release? Nice. NECR0CHILD313

Two years. My little brother sat on his preorder for so long that finally Gamestop gave him his money back. It was supposed to come out holiday 2004, it was delayed TWO YEARS until holiday 2006, for the Wii launch. As soon as Nintendo knew they had the go-ahead on the Wii, they shelved the project, announced they were "improving the game" - and kept that tagline up until they were ready to talk about the Wii.

but in the end, for me, it's about the games - and ultimately Nintendo is simplifying their franchies to gain a bigger audience - at the expense of making them completely worthless for me as a gamer.subrosian

Simplification of franchises? Like what? I've seen new franchises with a non-gamer edge, but how exactly are future releases like Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros. Brawl simplified? Hell, Super Paper Mario...a simplified version of the Platformer-RPG? Do you own it?

Sounds like you've either been away from Nintendo for awhile or that you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sorry that Nintendo bruised your youth with a console that I agree was bad (the Cube), but ranting about Nintendo in their "return" and saying that nothing is changed, while saying that a console that most hardcore gamers on the internet in almost every poll love above the others this gen is worthless for hardcore gamers. Sorry, I don't see where you're going with you're rant.NECR0CHILD313

Look at the reviews, play the games. Super Paper Mario is *incredibly* simplistic. The new franchises like Cooking Mama, Trauma Center, et cetera...simplistic. Nintendo is making games for casuals, at the cost of the hardcore gamer. If you don't see this, fine, enjoy being a casual gamer, there's nothing wrong with it.

But let's not try and pretend system sales make the Wii hardcore, or make it a superior system. 

All the Wii ever gets is good news... because it's impossible that it could get any worse. :PWatch_Me_Xplode

That makes no sense whatsoever, the Wii is great 

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Not really... you miss out on a lot of games...AvinashTyagi

Still going to miss a lot of games. 

They haven't changed. I have a DS, I have a Gamecube. Hardcore gamers are gamers who promote gaming as art. Playing eighty hours a week or posting in an online poll doesn't maker you hardcore  - understanding why Ikaruga, Okami, and Disgaea are better games than Wii Sports does.
subrosian

[QUOTE="subrosian"]They haven't changed. I have a DS, I have a Gamecube. Hardcore gamers are gamers who promote gaming as art. Playing eighty hours a week or posting in an online poll doesn't maker you hardcore - understanding why Ikaruga, Okami, and Disgaea are better games than Wii Sports does.
AvinashTyagi

Okami was a brilliant game that deserved way more attention than it got. Wii sports breaks down the wall of intimidation by stripping away the parts of gameplay that make a game really fun. 

Boring.  You always lose, when you're a fanboy.

ALWAYS. 

glad you are happy playing kiddy games. I hear they making 124 more kiddy games with PS1 quality graphics.

 

I don't know if I should feel sad or happy for the sheep. at least they are delusional enough to not notice the mediocare games.

Areola54

The PS2 had amazing games... tons of amazing games.  But if you rated it by the average score of all its game put together... it would be horrid.  It's the same for every system.  The majority of games, on all systems, are painful to play.  

P.S. Theres no "a" in mediocore. :wink: 

All I see everytime I browse game sites is things like:

360 division revenues slump, or Kutagari replaced, os Sony discontinues 20 gb PS3, or loses exclusivitity on this game or that game... not to mention pretty dissapointing sales from both consoles.

With the Wii on the other hand it's more like:

Nintendo sets new records in sales or profits, Wii fastest selling console ever, Nintendo aquires Monolith, this dev or that dev decides to start making games for the Wii, the Wii gets (fill in the blank) third party announcment, How the Wii is creaming the competition, Devs scramble to try and play catch up on Nintendo's console

Ahhh you hear that?

that's the sound of victory... sweet sweet victory how sweet it is...

 

jedigemini

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="subrosian"]They haven't changed. I have a DS, I have a Gamecube. Hardcore gamers are gamers who promote gaming as art. Playing eighty hours a week or posting in an online poll doesn't maker you hardcore - understanding why Ikaruga, Okami, and Disgaea are better games than Wii Sports does.
reaperstoll

Okami was a brilliant game that deserved way more attention than it got. Wii sports breaks down the wall of intimidation by stripping away the parts of gameplay that make a game really fun.

What is it that makes games really fun that Wii-sports lacks?  Seriously, tell me. 

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="subrosian"]They haven't changed. I have a DS, I have a Gamecube. Hardcore gamers are gamers who promote gaming as art. Playing eighty hours a week or posting in an online poll doesn't maker you hardcore - understanding why Ikaruga, Okami, and Disgaea are better games than Wii Sports does.
reaperstoll

Okami was a brilliant game that deserved way more attention than it got. Wii sports breaks down the wall of intimidation by stripping away the parts of gameplay that make a game really fun. 

Nope I find it a lot of fun, especially when you get a group of friends together 

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]If the Wii could output next-gen graphics,and had online,then I would honestly consider supporting it. But this gen,Nintendo dropped the ball on what's important,and ran with what isn't.Not good at all.AvinashTyagi

Actually I think Nintendo nailed what's important, I don't care about graphics that much, started replaying maniac mansion today, game is great even with the terrible graphics

Yes it is, its appealing to everyone not just the hardcore, and IYO those things are important, i'm not big on online gaming, too many jerks out there, I only play with people I know so ninty's FCs don't bother me, and I have better Multimedia hardware elsewhere so I don't need a multimedia console, and graphics like I said don't matter to me, only gameplay matters

Boring. You always lose, when you're a fanboy.

ALWAYS.

Jandurin