It's so good to be a sheep this generation... all Wii ever get is GOOD NEWS :)

Excellent,I see we both started with Chimchar. If I were you I wouldn't bother with GeoDude,he has too many weaknesses.Dualshockin

[QUOTE="Davis092"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

May issue of EGM, PG 28, and I quote:

"Both Microsoft and Sony are enjoying online play, but apparently this idea isn't connecting with Nintendo. This isn't helping, either: SNK America President Ben Herman stated in an interview with Spong.com that Nintendo (still) isn't letting publishers include online capabilities in their games."

 

That is not that good of news for Wii owners (such as myself) who would like to play the Wii online, like Nintendo said we would be able to.

Jandurin

This June

Yeah. We'll see this E3 

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]What level is your starter Pokemon?Dualshockin

Magikarp: 18

Monferno: 23

Luxio: 21

Alakazam: 17

Shellos: 20

Geodude: 18

Geodude used to be one of my favorites, but now I've started using fighting instead of rock.

P.S.  Is Breloom in diamond & pearl? 

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="Tungsten88"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

Not controlling your Mii's is built in so that there is more focus on the motion aspect. Besides, it's not as if they don't always get into position. You have to remember, the different sections of Wii sports were not made to be full fledged games. The controls don't work like the real thing, because people don't want to learn all the nuances of tennis in order to play the game. Nonetheless, the timing and direction of your swing still gives you a lot of nuances of control.

Tungsten88

Hey so if Wii sports isn't the best game on the Wii right now, then what is? (Don't say Zelda since its better on the goold ol' GCN) And since you say that Wii Sports isn't really a game...I guess there are no games for Wii.

I like the cruddy 8-bit sound as well....makes it more immersive.  Shaking this white plastic thing like an idiot...yeah real fun.  You have no precision with the Wii.  It's simply a gimmick that most consumers are duped by unfortunately.  It ruins the industry as a whole since Nintendo appeals to a wide audience yet pollutes the market with...crud (note that I said pollute and not flood, since Wii's aren't exactly in huge supply).  It's like the Atari.  The Wii appeals to people yet it disillusions casual users because of the lack of quality, giving the industry a bad reputation. 

Yeah. We'll see this E3

Davis092

The Wii is the only "next-gen" console I have thus far. 

Don't let your Budew level again! I've got a 19, but they get some skill at 19 that they can only get in evolved form. And it's weird to evolve them. Really, though, you need to get him evolved before 25. And, Kadabra can only evolve to Alakazam through trading.
Jandurin

So... the Wii is the superior system, because, in one game, you can somewhat control your character by moving your hands! Are Nintendo fanboys serious?

There are dozens of genres that have *no means* of translating motion sensing in any way, simply because they aren't built around controlling a human body or actions. There's not benefit to having motion sensitivitity in most games anyway, and the few where there are happen to be in the most casual genre of them all - sports.

We've made fun of "sports gamers" for yeras - yet now the Nintendo fans are suddenly backing them? You've become everything the industry *doesn't* need - people who will hand over money for an inferior product, reiterated over and over - claiming to be revolutionary, while at the same time becoming so commodized that your grandparents aren't confused or threatened by it.

Again though, a question I've yet to have answered - how does Nintendo making record profits benefit YOU as a SHEEP? How does Nintendo making money by waiting until the best possible time FOR THEM (often months after a game is finished) benefit you as a consumer?

How is it a good time to be a Sheep? Your best games aren't out yet - if you don't already own the Wii, you're not going to get one without camping out every weekend in the hope that a store will get one in stock, and you still don't have online gameplay. It's a great time to own an Xbox 360, PS3, or DS - it's not such a great time to be a Wii fan.

It's a good time to be a Nintendo shareholder.

subrosian

Brav-****ing-o

Mangificent post right here.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]My current team:

Magikarp: 18
Monferno: 23
Luxio: 21
Alakazam: 17
Shellos: 20
Geodude: 18

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Again though, a question I've yet to have answered - how does Nintendo making record profits benefit YOU as a SHEEP?

Jandurin

Monolith Soft already made games for Nintendo... as far as their track record is concerned - Xenosaga? Are you serious?

Nintendo isn't good for game developers.  My favorite game last generation was Eternal Darkness, you may have heard of it now, but at the time it came out I was the only one who had it pre-ordered, and I was campaigning for it by showing every person I could the game. It absolutely made people $*&# themselves when I showed it to them - especially the bathtub suicide scene early in the game. In any case,  it was an amazing game.

I did the same thing for Animal Crossing, but that's another story for another time.

If you bought the Eternal Darkness strategy guide (which I did for the exclusive interview in the back) - Silicon Knights was discussing what they wanted to do with the sequel - and hinted at things they wanted to do with Eternal Darkness II.

We also had another game they were working on - a little title I know you've heard of called Too Human. But Nintendo was cursed, as they still are - third party games do not sell well on their consoles, their fans want their first party titles, and a hardcore title on a Nintendo console is as good as niche.

Now, Silicon Knights is partnered with Microsoft, and we'll be seeing the Too Human triology and possibly Eternal Darkness sequels on the Xbox 360.

The moral? Nintendo does a death blow to their 2nd and 3rd parties who produce hardcore games - you will either not see another game like Xenosaga out of Monolith, or you'll see an awesome franchise start, and be forced to buy a different system if you want the sequel.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="reaperstoll"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="reaperstoll"]

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"][QUOTE="subrosian"]They haven't changed. I have a DS, I have a Gamecube. Hardcore gamers are gamers who promote gaming as art. Playing eighty hours a week or posting in an online poll doesn't maker you hardcore - understanding why Ikaruga, Okami, and Disgaea are better games than Wii Sports does.
subrosian

Okami was a brilliant game that deserved way more attention than it got. Wii sports breaks down the wall of intimidation by stripping away the parts of gameplay that make a game really fun.

What is it that makes games really fun that Wii-sports lacks? Seriously, tell me.

I felt that wii sports was too simplistic to be really entertaining. I guess I was expecting more out of the gameplay revolution that wii is supposed to represent than flipping my wrist to hit the ball in tennis. I play tennis quite frequently in real life, so when we started to play tennis on the wii it was dissapointing that there wasn't more precise control on your stroke. Also I found the inability to control your mii's movement infuriating. It is an interesting idea but I prefer the normal gamepad method of gameplay. I don't own a wii because it doesn't interest me so my experience is limited to what time I have spent playing at my friends house.

Not controlling your Mii's is built in so that there is more focus on the motion aspect. Besides, it's not as if they don't always get into position. You have to remember, the different sections of Wii sports were not made to be full fledged games. The controls don't work like the real thing, because people don't want to learn all the nuances of tennis in order to play the game. Nonetheless, the timing and direction of your swing still gives you a lot of nuances of control.

So... the Wii is the superior system, because, in one game, you can somewhat control your character by moving your hands! Are Nintendo fanboys serious?

There are dozens of genres that have *no means* of translating motion sensing in any way, simply because they aren't built around controlling a human body or actions. There's not benefit to having motion sensitivitity in most games anyway, and the few where there are happen to be in the most casual genre of them all - sports.

We've made fun of "sports gamers" for yeras - yet now the Nintendo fans are suddenly backing them? You've become everything the industry *doesn't* need - people who will hand over money for an inferior product, reiterated over and over - claiming to be revolutionary, while at the same time becoming so commodized that your grandparents aren't confused or threatened by it.

Again though, a question I've yet to have answered - how does Nintendo making record profits benefit YOU as a SHEEP? How does Nintendo making money by waiting until the best possible time FOR THEM (often months after a game is finished) benefit you as a consumer?

How is it a good time to be a Sheep? Your best games aren't out yet - if you don't already own the Wii, you're not going to get one without camping out every weekend in the hope that a store will get one in stock, and you still don't have online gameplay. It's a great time to own an Xbox 360, PS3, or DS - it's not such a great time to be a Wii fan.

It's a good time to be a Nintendo shareholder.

That's a pretty solid post there 

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

Again though, a question I've yet to have answered - how does Nintendo making record profits benefit YOU as a SHEEP?

subrosian

Monolith Soft already made games for Nintendo... as far as their track record is concerned - Xenosaga? Are you serious?

Maybe that has changed.  I know the story with the Silicon Knights.

All I can say is, I hope for the best. 

Bronzor won't do you good,his hypnosis trick has a very simple counter that can be learned by almost all Pokemon.Dualshockin

I have no problem with the Wiimote, maybe because I don't swing it like an idiot, after playing Zelda with the Remote I would not want to play it any other wayAvinashTyagi

I said shake, not swing, only a complete idiot would swing the 'mote.  Well lets see, the only game I'm really psyched for on the Wii is SSBB, however, if that uses the 'mote, it would completely ruin the gameplay.  SSB tends to be a bit wild and muting your movements seem to mute the game.  How glum would it be to move the controller a fraction of a centimeter when you really just want to swipe with it?  And if it doesn't use the Wiimote, that would only prove that the Wii is a gimmick since its best game doesn't even use the console's sole distinguishing feature. 

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]What level is your starter Pokemon?Tylendal

Magikarp: 18

Monferno: 23

Luxio: 21

Alakazam: 17

Shellos: 20

Geodude: 18

Geodude used to be one of my favorites, but now I've started using fighting instead of rock.

P.S. Is Breloom in diamond & pearl?

That's a pretty solid post there

MikeE21286

I would go so far to say that it's one of the best posts I've read here in a very long time. 

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]Bronzor won't do you good,his hypnosis trick has a very simple counter that can be learned by almost all Pokemon.foxhound_fox

Damn, this thread is turning into a Pokemon fanboy's wet dream. Could we focus on the actual topic, please?Tungsten88

What do you want to hear?  It's rather a silly topic.  "It's good to be a sheep"???  Pfft.  I'd rather talk about Pokemon. 

Damn, this thread is turning into a Pokemon fanboy's wet dream. Could we focus on the actual topic, please?Tungsten88

DS is a nintendo product, therefore discussing pokemon is discussing something in the realm of sheepdom. 

[QUOTE="AvinashTyagi"] I have no problem with the Wiimote, maybe because I don't swing it like an idiot, after playing Zelda with the Remote I would not want to play it any other wayTungsten88

I said shake, not swing, only a complete idiot would swing the 'mote.  Well lets see, the only game I'm really psyched for on the Wii is SSBB, however, if that uses the 'mote, it would completely ruin the gameplay.  SSB tends to be a bit wild and muting your movements seem to mute the game.  How glum would it be to move the controller a fraction of a centimeter when you really just want to swipe with it?  And if it doesn't use the Wiimote, that would only prove that the Wii is a gimmick since its best game doesn't even use the console's sole distinguishing feature. 

SSBB isn't its best game, its not being made by Shiggy, and you can use the Wiimote in a fighting game, but its up to the devs to decide, DBZ used the Wiimote and a lot of people loved it for that reason. 

dont be so quick

the 360 is a damn power house, getting gears, and halo 3, plus gta4, res5, etc etc

if it can accquire metal gear solid 4, the ps3 is dead.

Damn, this thread is turning into a Pokemon fanboy's wet dream. Could we focus on the actual topic, please?Tungsten88

I'd rather not encourage the topic creator.  

[QUOTE="Tungsten88"]Damn, this thread is turning into a Pokemon fanboy's wet dream. Could we focus on the actual topic, please?Jandurin

What do you want to hear? It's rather a silly topic. "It's good to be a sheep"??? Pfft. I'd rather talk about Pokemon.

Then confine your caustic, bubbly enthusiasm for Pokemon to the game-specific board or the sticky on the DS board. 

dont be so quick

the 360 is a damn power house, getting gears, and halo 3, plus gta4, res5, etc etc

if it can accquire metal gear solid 4, the ps3 is dead.

greenleaflink

That has almost nothing to do with the topic. It involved consoles, thats about the only connection I could find. 

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Tungsten88"]Damn, this thread is turning into a Pokemon fanboy's wet dream. Could we focus on the actual topic, please?Tungsten88

What do you want to hear? It's rather a silly topic. "It's good to be a sheep"??? Pfft. I'd rather talk about Pokemon.

Then confine your caustic, bubbly enthusiasm for Pokemon to the game-specific board or the sticky on the DS board.

I just caught a Psyduck! Yay?Jandurin

[QUOTE="greenleaflink"]

dont be so quick

the 360 is a damn power house, getting gears, and halo 3, plus gta4, res5, etc etc

if it can accquire metal gear solid 4, the ps3 is dead.

reaperstoll

That has almost nothing to do with the topic. It involved consoles, thats about the only connection I could find.

Metal Gear Solid has the character Snake, who is also in the new Smash Bro's game, which is on the Wii.

I bet I can find a few more connections. 

[QUOTE="Tungsten88"]Damn, this thread is turning into a Pokemon fanboy's wet dream. Could we focus on the actual topic, please?reaperstoll

DS is a nintendo product, therefore discussing pokemon is discussing something in the realm of sheepdom.

Not when one is discussing "what level is your purple ***beater?" I don't think purple ***beaters are acutally Nintendo products.

EDIT: Please do not fault me for coming up with a BS Pokemon name since I can't remember any right now. 

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]I just caught a Psyduck! Yay?Dualshockin

[QUOTE="Tungsten88"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="Tungsten88"]Damn, this thread is turning into a Pokemon fanboy's wet dream. Could we focus on the actual topic, please?Jandurin

What do you want to hear? It's rather a silly topic. "It's good to be a sheep"??? Pfft. I'd rather talk about Pokemon.

Then confine your caustic, bubbly enthusiasm for Pokemon to the game-specific board or the sticky on the DS board.

"Bubbly" enhances the grating nature implied by the caustic enthusiasm. 

Is this what you're looking for? Some kind of congratulatory message? If you're a Nintendo shareholder, check your wallet, there's your reward.

As a gamer, you're basically viewing how much you've been screwed up the butt for. "Nintendo - record profits" ... hmm, still can't play GTA on a Wii, and they have your money... congrats.

Where's the online that Nintendo promised me when I bought a Gamecube?
Where is the "wow" that I was supposed to say when I saw the Wii graphics?
Where are the hardcore games (don't confuse this with violence, the Godfather is not a hardcore game, it's about gameplay)

Nintendo fans keep raging about how it's about "gameplay > graphics" but every game I've touched on the Wii has felt dated - not because of the graphics, but because of the attitude Nintendo and other companies have about the Wii. Even the PS2 has superior games (Okami, God of War 2, Odin Sphere) coming out for it - and it is definately graphically inferior to the Wii.

I'm done with Nintendo consoles - they have not changed *at all* from the company that was screwing 'cube owners over. Twilight Princess? Delayed for two years so that they could have it for Wii owners? Way to reward my loyalty.

but in the end, for me, it's about the games - and ultimately Nintendo is simplifying their franchies to gain a bigger audience - at the expense of making them completely worthless for me as a gamer.

subrosian

I love you:) 

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]I just caught a Psyduck! Yay?Jandurin

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Is this what you're looking for? Some kind of congratulatory message? If you're a Nintendo shareholder, check your wallet, there's your reward.

As a gamer, you're basically viewing how much you've been screwed up the butt for. "Nintendo - record profits" ... hmm, still can't play GTA on a Wii, and they have your money... congrats.

Where's the online that Nintendo promised me when I bought a Gamecube?
Where is the "wow" that I was supposed to say when I saw the Wii graphics?
Where are the hardcore games (don't confuse this with violence, the Godfather is not a hardcore game, it's about gameplay)

Nintendo fans keep raging about how it's about "gameplay > graphics" but every game I've touched on the Wii has felt dated - not because of the graphics, but because of the attitude Nintendo and other companies have about the Wii. Even the PS2 has superior games (Okami, God of War 2, Odin Sphere) coming out for it - and it is definately graphically inferior to the Wii.

I'm done with Nintendo consoles - they have not changed *at all* from the company that was screwing 'cube owners over. Twilight Princess? Delayed for two years so that they could have it for Wii owners? Way to reward my loyalty.

but in the end, for me, it's about the games - and ultimately Nintendo is simplifying their franchies to gain a bigger audience - at the expense of making them completely worthless for me as a gamer.

miss_kitt3n

I love you:)

Y'know what's the saddest thing? When I saw this thread - I really wanted that to post, so I had to break out the NES emulator and actually play through Contra again. Nintendo fans who don't realize how far the Wii has fallen from what was once a hardcore system ought to play through THAT game. Contra is so hardcore it $#@%s bricks of viagra.

I really wish the Nintendo fans could explain why it's a good time to own a Wii - but it seems they've reduced themselves to chatting off-topic about Pokemon (a Nintendo DS) game, simply reinforcing that modern Nintendo makes solid handhelds and worthless consoles.

I really wish the Nintendo fans could explain why it's a good time to own a Wii - but it seems they've reduced themselves to chatting off-topic about Pokemon (a Nintendo DS) game, simply reinforcing that modern Nintendo makes solid handhelds and worthless consoles. subrosian

I mean, there are a couple of really decent games right now.  Just like the PS3.  But I wouldn't suggest buying it for anyone that wasn't already (for Wii or PS3).

Just like I wouldn't suggest buying a 360 yet, as the hardware problems are still too prevalent.

Would you prefer a bunch of Sad Pandas complaining all the time? 

Y'know what's the saddest thing? When I saw this thread - I really wanted that to post, so I had to break out the NES emulator and actually play through Contra again.

subrosian

:lol:

Gotta love your commitment. 

[QUOTE="subrosian"]I really wish the Nintendo fans could explain why it's a good time to own a Wii - but it seems they've reduced themselves to chatting off-topic about Pokemon (a Nintendo DS) game, simply reinforcing that modern Nintendo makes solid handhelds and worthless consoles. Jandurin

I mean, there are a couple of really decent games right now. Just like the PS3. But I wouldn't suggest buying it for anyone that wasn't already (for Wii or PS3).

Just like I wouldn't suggest buying a 360 yet, as the hardware problems are still too prevalent.

Would you prefer a bunch of Sad Pandas complaining all the time?

The Xbox 360 hardware problems are blown *way* out of proportion. My little brothers had to send their Wii into Nintendo for repair (losing their save files in the process), but you don't see them on a message board complaining, or me saying "the Wii is faulty system". Heck, I'm on my third DS Phat, I had to take the first two back because of dead pixels. My little brother's Gamecube stopped reading discs (though unlike the first two complaints, that was probably their own fault). Yet I don't think Nintendo makes shoddy products - my launch cube is working like it was the day I bought it, and my 'cube launch controller put up with a couple thousand hours of pounding from PSO, eternal darkness, skies of arcadia, ikaruga, and animal crossing.

The Xbox 360 has become a solid system, it has the most games worth owning on it right now, it has the best online, and in the near future it has the most games coming out that make it worthwhile. Even the PS3 is starting to offer games that are better.

Sad Panda wants games to be literature - he's arguing that they should become something that by their very medium they rarely become. I'm arguing games need to continue in the direction that the Xbox 360 and PS3 push them - improving graphics, sound, player interaction, online play, and ultimately GAMING. I also push gaming as art. I've been gaming hardcore for a long time, but I've always kept a degree of cla ss I'm not some junkie going through crap-game after crap-game to get a fix - I want the good stuff, and this generation has been impressing me.

Except for the Wii. Sorry, there's just not a lot there. The Wii has become like the PSP for me - something I kept hoping would be great, and keeps dissappointing me. Twenty million PSPs sold, but it lacks that special something when it comes to games, and it hurts. A system of mainstream games (and nothing but) ultimately hurts the user.

When I see games like Blue Dragon, Too Human, Lost Odyssey, Gears of War, Geometry Wars, and Mass Effect on the Xbox 360, I can't help but smile.

I agree in the most part.  But, I think that the 360 hardware problems are greater than you perceive them to be.

Regardless, that's all that holds me back from purchasing one. 

Not for me. The Wii's game library is beyond awful and it is beyond a reasonable doubt that Nintendo actually are enjoying this.

Lets see: Dewey's, Opoona, Galaxy, Brawl, Prime, TP, Warioware, ports, Zorro, crap graphics.....list goes on.

Or: Assassian's Creed, Tom Clancy games, Kane and Lynch, GTA 4, Indiana Jones, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Alan Wake, Halo 3,Mass Effect, Clive Barker's Jericho, Banjo 3, Fozora, and many more to come.......

Now what do I really want? Choice is clear.

Ninten007

Your right, the choice is clear. Get both! With Wii60 you can play almost everything for a little more than the price of a PS3. 

[QUOTE="Ninten007"]

Not for me. The Wii's game library is beyond awful and it is beyond a reasonable doubt that Nintendo actually are enjoying this.

Lets see: Dewey's, Opoona, Galaxy, Brawl, Prime, TP, Warioware, ports, Zorro, crap graphics.....list goes on.

Or: Assassian's Creed, Tom Clancy games, Kane and Lynch, GTA 4, Indiana Jones, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Alan Wake, Halo 3,Mass Effect, Clive Barker's Jericho, Banjo 3, Fozora, and many more to come.......

Now what do I really want? Choice is clear.

bloodychimp

Your right, the choice is clear. Get both! With Wii60 you can play almost everything for a little more than the price of a PS3.

Why do you need the Wii if it doesn't offer any games? Pointless consumerism? I've perfectly photoshopped my sentiments (thanks to Don Hertzefelt for the initial image).

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Y'know what's the saddest thing? When I saw this thread - I really wanted that to post, so I had to break out the NES emulator and actually play through Contra again.

purplemidgets

:lol:

Gotta love your commitment.

If they had Contra on the Virtual Console, I would say the Wii has something going for it, but honestly the best thing about it right now is that it plays Gamecube games... hmm, and that they're porting GCN projects to the Wii (super paper mario).

Why do you need the Wii if it doesn't offer any games? Pointless consumerism? I've perfectly photoshopped my sentiments (thanks to Don Hertzefelt for the initial image).subrosian

Currently I'm more interested in games coming out for the Wii, or things I feel could/will come out for it than I am in what the 360 offers.  Of a list of current AA-AAA (on Gamespot) 360 games that (I think it was JLCube or something) someone posted sometime semi-recently I was only interested in four of them, with only two being strong enough interest for me to add to a consideration of whether I would want to get a 360. 

Your appraisal of the Wii's library or its upcoming games is of course not universally applicable, and if you want to push the industry as some sort of artform (which stronger hardware will not necessarily do) then you should do so with your own money as you currently seem to be doing - not dictating that others should be doing the same and that they are wasting their money should they just be going for their own entertainment.  I like strong artstyles in games for example, but it is not something so overriding that I would put it before the basic goal of using the products of this industry to entertain myself - though I do expect somewhat for the comparitively weaker abilities of the Wii to push developers to more frequently explore artistic approaches to visuals.  

I got a Wii for the entertainment I felt I could derive from games I know of released for it or in development for it and the perceived potential for future titles, which interested me more than those in development for the other two systems.  Is there really any other reason why people should choose one console over another? 

All y'all might start booing teh Wii, but go to the Wii page of IGN or GS.

Then just look at all the good news (and lack of bad news).