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Tomorrow it's another day, the sun will rise high in the sky and the folks that need to use osX and see it's advantages will continue to use.
As for the ignorant, who cares about them? At least I tried to "enlighten" them but again this is a gaming forum.
As for those that backed up and supported my claims, a big thank you, unfortunately ignorance is a bliss.
Don't blame garming forums to be dumb. Balem GS forums. If you want a good gaming forum or good forums in general, i'll give you heads up if you want, just not here. Not sure how the mods will take me linking a much better forums.Tomorrow it's another day, the sun will rise high in the sky and the folks that need to use osX and see it's advantages will continue to use.
As for the ignorant, who cares about them? At least I tried to "enlighten" them but again this is a gaming forum.
As for those that backed up and supported my claims, a big thank you, unfortunately ignorance is a bliss.
Major_Reeves
and then people wonder why macheads are the most hated fanboys around :DTomorrow it's another day, the sun will rise high in the sky and the folks that need to use osX and see it's advantages will continue to use.
As for the ignorant, who cares about them? At least I tried to "enlighten" them but again this is a gaming forum.
As for those that backed up and supported my claims, a big thank you, unfortunately ignorance is a bliss.
Major_Reeves
[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]I've checked the polish apple store and if isn't trough a reseller, you can't get anything at all.yep, there's no official Apple here, only official ressellers and their quality of customer and tech support is really bad. Most of the time it's actualy better to buy Macs in generic computer stores (I mean those who have PCs too) as their offer better support for Mac users than official Mac resellers.
(maybe there's no market in poland that makes it worthwhile to invest on)
Huh? there is offical Apple in poland, they opened there offices in Warsaw 2-3 years ago and amynly support Polish AppStore. Also theres also iSpot you can buy all Apple products, also You can buy Mac (i don't think still) and MacBooks in Media Markt. And iPods and iPhones is easy to get here.
It's not bad at all here, lot of people are not aware of Macs existence, but if someone wants, he can get Mac here, no problem. Only pain is lack iTunes support,probably mainly becouse we got high mp3 piracy
Tomorrow it's another day, the sun will rise high in the sky and the folks that need to use osX and see it's advantages will continue to use.
As for the ignorant, who cares about them? At least I tried to "enlighten" them but again this is a gaming forum.
As for those that backed up and supported my claims, a big thank you, unfortunately ignorance is a bliss.
Major_Reeves
Are you for real? Macs and osx suck for gaming compared to PCs, and you're here arguing about the benefits of Macs for some random server purpose. Even then PCs have the advantage.
Let's go back to the Mac Store again:
-Mac Pro- $3,699
2x 2.26GHz Xeon
8GB 1066MHz RAM
1TB HDD
Radeon 4870 512MB
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-Newegg PC+some- $3,696
2x 2.26GHz Xeon EP
8GB 1333MHz RAM
2x 1TB HDD
Radeon 5870 1GB
1000W Server PSU, Nice case, 22x DVD Burner, KB/M, Firewire 800 add-on card, Win7 Ultimate
Mass Effect 2 PC
Orange Box PC
Playstation 3 + MGS4
Xbox 360 + GeOW 2
Nintendo Wii + Madworld
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Now you still gotta take into account the fact that you get a 5870(more powerful than crossfired 4870s) and RAID setup, while you only get a single 4870 in the Mac Pro and no RAID.
This doesn't matter here in SW though. What's really important is some random server app that you like to use. It's not like this is gaming forum.:|
[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]
Tomorrow it's another day, the sun will rise high in the sky and the folks that need to use osX and see it's advantages will continue to use.
As for the ignorant, who cares about them? At least I tried to "enlighten" them but again this is a gaming forum.
As for those that backed up and supported my claims, a big thank you, unfortunately ignorance is a bliss.
gamecubepad
Are you for real? Macs and osx suck for gaming compared to PCs, and you're here arguing about the benefits of Macs for some random server purpose. Even then PCs have the advantage.
Let's go back to the Mac Store again:
-Mac Pro- $3,699
2x 2.26GHz Xeon
8GB 1066MHz RAM
1TB HDD
Radeon 4870 512MB
---
-Newegg PC+some- $3,696
2x 2.26GHz Xeon EP
8GB 1333MHz RAM
2x 1TB HDD
Radeon 5870 1GB
1000W Server PSU, Nice case, 22x DVD Burner, KB/M, Firewire 800 add-on card, Win7 Ultimate
Mass Effect 2 PC
Orange Box PC
Playstation 3 + MGS4
Xbox 360 + GeOW 2
Nintendo Wii + Madworld
---
Now you still gotta take into account the fact that you get a 5870(more powerful than crossfired 4870s) and RAID setup, while you only get a single 4870 in the Mac Pro and no RAID.
This doesn't matter here in SW though. What's really important is some random server app that you like to use. It's not like this is gaming forum.:|
Please refer to my earlier post.Please refer to my earlier post. tirralirra
Sorry, all I'm hearing from you Mac fanatics is :cry::cry:
[QUOTE="tirralirra"] Please refer to my earlier post. gamecubepad
Sorry, all I'm hearing from you Mac fanatics is :cry::cry:
I dont own a Mac, never have, probably never will.
haha very funny, you used a 150 dollar mouse and keyboard, there are FAR cheaper ones than that, a 95 dollar hideous case when most of us would go for something cheaper, a 200 dollar mobo when the mac one sucks, hardly a fair comparison and that mobo is unneccesary.. especially for 1156 socket, and you just decided to get a 2048x1152 monitor over a 1440 when they're the same price, since 3 points didn't seem like enough. my computer come out to a very similar price, guess what i got? haf 932 case, the asrock x58 deluxe motherboard, an i7-920, 6 gigs of ram, a 5970, an 850w power supply, and a blu-ray read write. oh, and a few terabytes of HDD kb/m isn't that important but oh well. I own the MX5500 and while it is a little overpriced, and the kb isn't that great, the mouse is awesome! best mouse ever. however, still nothing over the magic mouse. but i use my mouse for gaming which the magic mouse i imagine would be awkward for. Yes the Magic mouse is not the mouse you want. I tried playing a shooter and every time i tried to aim down sights it would shoot. Not the best.^^
You haven't shown comprehensive evidence yet.
Your understanding of hardware seems inadequate and your constant disregard of exclusive software which macs supply is naive. Plus your spec comparisons are neither detailed or accurate. Oh and you cannot compare custom build because custom builds are always cheaper. I want you to show me an OEM desktop which beats a top end mac in price and specs.
Oh, and btw, i've never owned a Mac, never needed too, plus i know how to look after a normal PC, but my experience with them is more than thorough.
ANd somebody's comparision between consoles and macs is one of the most fitting.
[QUOTE="12345678ew"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] In the case of an Imac 27 inch: 27 Inch LED Monitor 2560 x 1440 with IPS Technology Quad Core i5 2.66 GHz 4 GB DDR3 1066MHz Ram 1 TB Drive Bluetooth Magic Mouse Blutooth Keyboard All in One $1999 Acer 27 inch LCD 2048 X 1152 439.99 No IPS or LED backlight Quad Core i5 2.66 GHz 199.99 EVGA Motherboard 2 PCIe 199.99 OCZ Gold Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 84.99 Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 99.99 Thermaltake Tsunami VA3000BWA Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 94.99 Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power $109.99 Logitech MX 5500 Revolution Black Bluetooth Cordless Desktop Standard keyboard & Mouse Kit 149.99 LITE-ON Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 26.99 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 179.99 D-Link DBT-120 USB 2.0 Wireless USB Bluetooth Adapter 29.99 Total $1726.88 Differece is $273.11 What you Lose with a PC: OS X 10.6 Power saving of up to 40% IPS monitor with 2560 x 1440 resolution OS X/Windows Dual Boot Resale Value drops faster than Macs What you gain with PC: Cheaper by $273 More customization (added cost) Windows/Linux Dual boot In my opinion, after using both macs and pc's, the Imac is worth it. Would you like a Mac Pro comparison.tirralirra
[QUOTE="tirralirra"] Please refer to my earlier post. gamecubepad
Sorry, all I'm hearing from you Mac fanatics is :cry::cry:
in case you are too lazy to see what he previously posted, he asked you to compare a prebuilt pc with that of a mac with similiar specs, considering building our own will always be alot cheaper than buying a a prebuilt pc or mac
[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]
[QUOTE="tirralirra"] Please refer to my earlier post. BlancoBX
Sorry, all I'm hearing from you Mac fanatics is :cry::cry:
in case you are too lazy to see what he previously posted, he asked you to compare a prebuilt pc with that of a mac with similiar specs, considering building our own will always be alot cheaper than buying a a prebuilt pc or mac
Why would I pay Apple an extra $1,000 to build me a Mac that's weaker than a PC I would pay somebody $20 let me build?
Lack of customization is a weakness of Mac, not a strength. You can't build your own Mac, that's a bad thing.
I doubt this and i'll wait for the next few versions of it. I do like the functionality but i don't like the looks of it. Price seems fair for what it does. I hope is more capable in the gaming department though.Its ok. Now Mac users have the iPad, which according to Steve, is superior to a netbook. Anyone agree? (it looks like a huge iPhone, running the iPhone OS.)
TruedUp
[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]
[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]
Sorry, all I'm hearing from you Mac fanatics is :cry::cry:
gamecubepad
in case you are too lazy to see what he previously posted, he asked you to compare a prebuilt pc with that of a mac with similiar specs, considering building our own will always be alot cheaper than buying a a prebuilt pc or mac
Why would I pay Apple an extra $1,000 to build me a Mac that's weaker than a PC I would pay somebody $20 let me build?
Lack of customization is a weakness of Mac, not a strength. You can't build your own Mac, that's a bad thing.
You're missing the point. many PC users don't custom build their PC's. Even Hardcore PC gamers buy Dells and Alienwares already build. So why not compare apples to apples. Compare a Dell or Alienware to a Mac. Spec by Spec.[QUOTE="gamecubepad"][QUOTE="BlancoBX"]
in case you are too lazy to see what he previously posted, he asked you to compare a prebuilt pc with that of a mac with similiar specs, considering building our own will always be alot cheaper than buying a a prebuilt pc or mac
Zero_epyon
Why would I pay Apple an extra $1,000 to build me a Mac that's weaker than a PC I would pay somebody $20 let me build?
Lack of customization is a weakness of Mac, not a strength. You can't build your own Mac, that's a bad thing.
You're missing the point. many PC users don't custom build their PC's. Even Hardcore PC gamers buy Dells and Alienwares already build. So why not compare apples to apples. Compare a Dell or Alienware to a Mac. Spec by Spec.This is where the argument fails though. Major Reeves is talking about running software in Linux for games mostly, and who, as an average user is going to pay $3000 for a Mac just to load linux and actually be able to use to play games? None of them. Whereas someone could buy my gaming PC, prebuilt, take it home wiht Windows 7 ultimate on it and play just about anything. Macs lack software support, especially for gaming, and that's the end of the story. Just because niche users and people with a specialized background can getgames to run on alternate open source OS's doesn't mean the average user can do the same on any Unix based system.
You're missing the point. many PC users don't custom build their PC's. Even Hardcore PC gamers buy Dells and Alienwares already build. So why not compare apples to apples. Compare a Dell or Alienware to a Mac. Spec by Spec.[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="gamecubepad"]
Why would I pay Apple an extra $1,000 to build me a Mac that's weaker than a PC I would pay somebody $20 let me build?
Lack of customization is a weakness of Mac, not a strength. You can't build your own Mac, that's a bad thing.
tempest91
This is where the argument fails though. Major Reeves is talking about running software in Linuxfor games mostly, and who, as an average user is going to pay $3000 for a Mac just to load linux and actually be able to use to play games? None of them. Whereas someone could buy my gaming PC, prebuilt, take it home wiht Windows 7 ultimate on it and play just about anything. Macs lack software support, especially for gaming, and that's the end of the story. Just because niche users and people with a specialized background can getgames to run on alternate open source OS's doesn't mean the average user can do the same on any Unix based system.
I never said that.
[QUOTE="tempest91"]
[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] You're missing the point. many PC users don't custom build their PC's. Even Hardcore PC gamers buy Dells and Alienwares already build. So why not compare apples to apples. Compare a Dell or Alienware to a Mac. Spec by Spec.Major_Reeves
This is where the argument fails though. Major Reeves is talking about running software in Linuxfor games mostly, and who, as an average user is going to pay $3000 for a Mac just to load linux and actually be able to use to play games? None of them. Whereas someone could buy my gaming PC, prebuilt, take it home wiht Windows 7 ultimate on it and play just about anything. Macs lack software support, especially for gaming, and that's the end of the story. Just because niche users and people with a specialized background can getgames to run on alternate open source OS's doesn't mean the average user can do the same on any Unix based system.
I never said that.
you didn't say this "(everything you can do on windows you can do on osX even if you have to resort to wine, cyder, cedega whatever it takes to get the job done, everything else, linux/solaris, recompile)."?
[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]
[QUOTE="tempest91"]
This is where the argument fails though. Major Reeves is talking about running software in Linuxfor games mostly, and who, as an average user is going to pay $3000 for a Mac just to load linux and actually be able to use to play games? None of them. Whereas someone could buy my gaming PC, prebuilt, take it home wiht Windows 7 ultimate on it and play just about anything. Macs lack software support, especially for gaming, and that's the end of the story. Just because niche users and people with a specialized background can getgames to run on alternate open source OS's doesn't mean the average user can do the same on any Unix based system.
tempest91
I never said that.
you didn't say this "(everything you can do on windows you can do on osX even if you have to resort to wine, cyder, cedega whatever it takes to get the job done, everything else, linux/solaris, recompile)."?
It doesn't mention anything about using another operating system.
[QUOTE="tempest91"]
[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]
I never said that.
Major_Reeves
you didn't say this "(everything you can do on windows you can do on osX even if you have to resort to wine, cyder, cedega whatever it takes to get the job done, everything else, linux/solaris, recompile)."?
It doesn't mention anything about using another operating system.
No, but it does mention running open source based applications that again, the average Mac user would not and should not have to resort to just to use common software. You are a niche user with an obviousbackground in open source software and the average user is not, thus causing a huge headache when they have to run this kind of nonsense just to play a $20 game, when they wouldn't in the first place spend $3000 on the kind of sytem you have just to play it.
You're missing the point. many PC users don't custom build their PC's. Even Hardcore PC gamers buy Dells and Alienwares already build. So why not compare apples to apples. Compare a Dell or Alienware to a Mac. Spec by Spec.[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="gamecubepad"]
Why would I pay Apple an extra $1,000 to build me a Mac that's weaker than a PC I would pay somebody $20 let me build?
Lack of customization is a weakness of Mac, not a strength. You can't build your own Mac, that's a bad thing.
tempest91
This is where the argument fails though. Major Reeves is talking about running software in Linux for games mostly, and who, as an average user is going to pay $3000 for a Mac just to load linux and actually be able to use to play games? None of them. Whereas someone could buy my gaming PC, prebuilt, take it home wiht Windows 7 ultimate on it and play just about anything. Macs lack software support, especially for gaming, and that's the end of the story. Just because niche users and people with a specialized background can getgames to run on alternate open source OS's doesn't mean the average user can do the same on any Unix based system.
but the whole point of this thread was that macs are overpriced, and a few posters here have totally debunked that misconception...
[QUOTE="tempest91"]
[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] You're missing the point. many PC users don't custom build their PC's. Even Hardcore PC gamers buy Dells and Alienwares already build. So why not compare apples to apples. Compare a Dell or Alienware to a Mac. Spec by Spec.BlancoBX
This is where the argument fails though. Major Reeves is talking about running software in Linux for games mostly, and who, as an average user is going to pay $3000 for a Mac just to load linux and actually be able to use to play games? None of them. Whereas someone could buy my gaming PC, prebuilt, take it home wiht Windows 7 ultimate on it and play just about anything. Macs lack software support, especially for gaming, and that's the end of the story. Just because niche users and people with a specialized background can getgames to run on alternate open source OS's doesn't mean the average user can do the same on any Unix based system.
but the whole point of this thread was that macs are overpriced, and a few posters here have totally debunked that misconception...
No one debunked anything. They marginalized what people buy in the favor of overpriced machines apple an pc alike. Most people do not order custom built PC's, they use store bought ones and run games at medium to low settings. Hard-core gamers, maybe, but the average person will not spend over $2000 on a computer just for gaming.
[QUOTE="Major_Reeves"]
[QUOTE="tempest91"]
you didn't say this "(everything you can do on windows you can do on osX even if you have to resort to wine, cyder, cedega whatever it takes to get the job done, everything else, linux/solaris, recompile)."?
tempest91
It doesn't mention anything about using another operating system.
No, but it does mention running open source based applications that again, the average Mac user would not and should not have to resort to just to use common software. You are a niche user with an obviousbackground in open source software and the average user is not, thus causing a huge headache when they have to run this kind of nonsense just to play a $20 game, when they wouldn't in the first place spend $3000 on the kind of sytem you have just to play it.
No one actually buys workstations to play games and if I actually play them (which I do), well it's called "guilty pleasure".
[QUOTE="tempest91"]
[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] You're missing the point. many PC users don't custom build their PC's. Even Hardcore PC gamers buy Dells and Alienwares already build. So why not compare apples to apples. Compare a Dell or Alienware to a Mac. Spec by Spec.BlancoBX
This is where the argument fails though. Major Reeves is talking about running software in Linux for games mostly, and who, as an average user is going to pay $3000 for a Mac just to load linux and actually be able to use to play games? None of them. Whereas someone could buy my gaming PC, prebuilt, take it home wiht Windows 7 ultimate on it and play just about anything. Macs lack software support, especially for gaming, and that's the end of the story. Just because niche users and people with a specialized background can getgames to run on alternate open source OS's doesn't mean the average user can do the same on any Unix based system.
but the whole point of this thread was that macs are overpriced, and a few posters here have totally debunked that misconception...
Overpriced? Were when? Fail read syndrome that much? I think I've mentioned software licensing prices, workstation and servers in line with other oem's and no competition on the all in one segment.
[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]
[QUOTE="tempest91"]
This is where the argument fails though. Major Reeves is talking about running software in Linux for games mostly, and who, as an average user is going to pay $3000 for a Mac just to load linux and actually be able to use to play games? None of them. Whereas someone could buy my gaming PC, prebuilt, take it home wiht Windows 7 ultimate on it and play just about anything. Macs lack software support, especially for gaming, and that's the end of the story. Just because niche users and people with a specialized background can getgames to run on alternate open source OS's doesn't mean the average user can do the same on any Unix based system.
Major_Reeves
but the whole point of this thread was that macs are overpriced, and a few posters here have totally debunked that misconception...
Overpriced? Were when? Fail read syndrome that much? I think I've mentioned software licensing prices, workstation and servers in line with other oem's and no competition on the all in one segment.
referring to the original post that started the thread
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