IWATA: 3DS to become profitable in April.

CoD Vita is an unproven factor.

It won't sell just because, look at CoD on Wii.

SuperFlakeman

You're talking about a Nintendo platform well-established in the mainstream view as the "casual system", with a controller that does not have the same inputs people are used to on COD's main platforms. Of course it's not going to light the world on fire (though I seem to remember the CODs on Wii doing okay)

This is the first time COD (or any FPS) will have come out on a mobile platform with dual-analog. And on top of that, the Vita is PS-branded, positioned as a "gamer-friendly" system, and is the most powerful device of its kind, which already makes it appeal more to COD's demographic.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

CoD Vita is an unproven factor.

It won't sell just because, look at CoD on Wii.

Cherokee_Jack

You're talking about a Nintendo platform well-established in the mainstream view as the "casual system", with a controller that does not have the same inputs people are used to on COD's main platforms. Of course it's not going to light the world on fire (though I seem to remember the CODs on Wii doing okay)

This is the first time COD (or any FPS) will have come out on a mobile platform with dual-analog. And on top of that, the Vita is PS-branded, positioned as a "gamer-friendly" system, and is the most powerful device of its kind, which already makes it appeal more to COD's demographic.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

CoD Vita is an unproven factor.

It won't sell just because, look at CoD on Wii.

BrunoBRS

You're talking about a Nintendo platform well-established in the mainstream view as the "casual system", with a controller that does not have the same inputs people are used to on COD's main platforms. Of course it's not going to light the world on fire (though I seem to remember the CODs on Wii doing okay)

This is the first time COD (or any FPS) will have come out on a mobile platform with dual-analog. And on top of that, the Vita is PS-branded, positioned as a "gamer-friendly" system, and is the most powerful device of its kind, which already makes it appeal more to COD's demographic.

Heh, kinda. I don't think they could really tell the difference between COD and a really good-looking 360 game. They just know that Wii has worse graphics, so dat sh*t be whack yo.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

You're talking about a Nintendo platform well-established in the mainstream view as the "casual system", with a controller that does not have the same inputs people are used to on COD's main platforms. Of course it's not going to light the world on fire (though I seem to remember the CODs on Wii doing okay)

This is the first time COD (or any FPS) will have come out on a mobile platform with dual-analog. And on top of that, the Vita is PS-branded, positioned as a "gamer-friendly" system, and is the most powerful device of its kind, which already makes it appeal more to COD's demographic.

Cherokee_Jack

Heh, kinda. I don't think they could really tell the difference between COD and a really good-looking 360 game. They just know that Wii has worse graphics, so dat sh*t be whack yo.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] if the CoD demographic cared about power it wouldn't be playing CoD :PBrunoBRS

Heh, kinda. I don't think they could really tell the difference between COD and a really good-looking 360 game. They just know that Wii has worse graphics, so dat sh*t be whack yo.

You can't be in the crib all the time, bro! You need a portable fix for when you're rollin. And iPhones are for girls.

Plus all your progress from the PS3 version of Black Ops 2 carries over if you sign in with your Elite account (or at least that would be a really smart feature)

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Heh, kinda. I don't think they could really tell the difference between COD and a really good-looking 360 game. They just know that Wii has worse graphics, so dat sh*t be whack yo.

Cherokee_Jack

You can't be in the crib all the time, bro! You need a portable fix for when you're rollin. And iPhones are for girls.

Plus all your progress from the PS3 version of Black Ops 2 carries over if you sign in with your Elite account (or at least that would be a really smart feature)

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] they'd probably also be "why play CoD on a 5'' screen when i can play on my 42''?"BrunoBRS

You can't be in the crib all the time, bro! You need a portable fix for when you're rollin. And iPhones are for girls.

Plus all your progress from the PS3 version of Black Ops 2 carries over if you sign in with your Elite account (or at least that would be a really smart feature)

Hell yeah, you can transfarr it.

Actually I'm thinking the games would be different, so you wouldn't truly be transfarring all your progress, but certain MP unlocks would carry over. Or like the money you earn on PS3 and Vita could all go into a big pool of money tied to your Elite account, which you could use to buy unlocks in either game.

But honestly, this all makes way too much sense for Activision. If COD Vita fails, it will be thanks to them boning it up somehow.

You're talking about a Nintendo platform well-established in the mainstream view as the "casual system", with a controller that does not have the same inputs people are used to on COD's main platforms. Of course it's not going to light the world on fire (though I seem to remember the CODs on Wii doing okay)

This is the first time COD (or any FPS) will have come out on a mobile platform with dual-analog. And on top of that, the Vita is PS-branded, positioned as a "gamer-friendly" system, and is the most powerful device of its kind, which already makes it appeal more to COD's demographic.

Cherokee_Jack

The average Call of Duty fan isn't going to want to play Call of Duty on the Vita though, or any handheld. There's a reason why they don't do as well on platforms they're not really suited for (Wii and DS are prime examples of this).

Most of those gamers would rather play on a big screen TV with surround sound and with an excellent online component.

Playing the 'Call of Duty will save us' card even though it's a multiplat coming out for every other platform where it will probably sell better is the last deperate hope of Vita fans.

Last gen they at least had an exclusive GTA and Monster Hunter to bail them out.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

You're talking about a Nintendo platform well-established in the mainstream view as the "casual system", with a controller that does not have the same inputs people are used to on COD's main platforms. Of course it's not going to light the world on fire (though I seem to remember the CODs on Wii doing okay)

This is the first time COD (or any FPS) will have come out on a mobile platform with dual-analog. And on top of that, the Vita is PS-branded, positioned as a "gamer-friendly" system, and is the most powerful device of its kind, which already makes it appeal more to COD's demographic.

Haziqonfire

The average Call of Duty fan isn't going to want to play Call of Duty on the Vita though, or any handheld. There's a reason why they don't do as well on platforms they're not really suited for (Wii and DS are prime examples of this).

Most of those gamers would rather play on a big screen TV with surround sound and with an excellent online component.

But like I said...they have never had the opportunity to play COD on a portable platform it's suited for. You can only assume they won't be drawn to it because it has never been tested.

But like I said...they have never had the opportunity to play COD on a portable platform it's suited for. You can only assume they won't be drawn to it because it has never been tested.

Cherokee_Jack

No, I'm assuming people won't really want it because people never really wanted a portable console on the go with the PSP. Most gamers would rather just play those types of games on the TV.

If they do something cool with cloud saving and what not I can see an advantage to owning both, but playing the Vita version over the others doesn't really make sense -- I don't really think Call of Duty is going to have as big of an impact as you're suggesting it would.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

But like I said...they have never had the opportunity to play COD on a portable platform it's suited for. You can only assume they won't be drawn to it because it has never been tested.

Haziqonfire

No, I'm assuming people won't really want it because people never really wanted a portable console on the go with the PSP. Most gamers would rather just play those types of games on the TV.

If they do something cool with cloud saving and what not I can see an advantage to owning both, but playing the Vita version over the others doesn't really make sense -- I don't really think Call of Duty is going to have as big of an impact as you're suggesting it would.

How big of an impact am I suggesting? I don't recall saying the Vita will dominate because of COD. I just don't think it can be blown off so easily with only the series' history on the Wii and DS as evidence.

Yes, you can take the PSP's performance as an indicator that people aren't interested in portable console-type games, which is valid, but the fact remains that the Vita is the first venue in which that can be properly tested for games like COD, because it's the first handheld that has real parity with a modern console's control scheme (besides the 3DS with the analog attachment)

And why must people choose between the Vita and console versions? Of course you'd rather play on a TV, but you have the Vita for when you can't do that. Keep in mind, people play these games obsessively.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

But like I said...they have never had the opportunity to play COD on a portable platform it's suited for. You can only assume they won't be drawn to it because it has never been tested.

Haziqonfire

No, I'm assuming people won't really want it because people never really wanted a portable console on the go with the PSP. Most gamers would rather just play those types of games on the TV.

If they do something cool with cloud saving and what not I can see an advantage to owning both, but playing the Vita version over the others doesn't really make sense -- I don't really think Call of Duty is going to have as big of an impact as you're suggesting it would.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]sony: "Vita to become profitable when Call of Duty releases on it".ChubbyGuy40

Fix't. :P I think that'll really push some Vita numbers here in the USA. Then again, 3DS will be getting crappy ports like the DS was.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

But like I said...they have never had the opportunity to play COD on a portable platform it's suited for. You can only assume they won't be drawn to it because it has never been tested.

p4s2p0

No, I'm assuming people won't really want it because people never really wanted a portable console on the go with the PSP. Most gamers would rather just play those types of games on the TV.

If they do something cool with cloud saving and what not I can see an advantage to owning both, but playing the Vita version over the others doesn't really make sense -- I don't really think Call of Duty is going to have as big of an impact as you're suggesting it would.

I don't understand the conflict here. I believe Haz is stating that if there are better options regarding the issue of playing console ports on handhelds then the better choice would be for gamers to play console-originated releases where they SHOULD be played - on televisions using nonportable consoles. We need to remember why we like handheld gaming in the first place - which is for handheld experiences, not merely as having a PS3 or Wii in your pocket.

True, technology has changed in which developers can cram bigger experiences using better tech but the main principle of handheld gaming should still apply.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

But like I said...they have never had the opportunity to play COD on a portable platform it's suited for. You can only assume they won't be drawn to it because it has never been tested.

Cherokee_Jack

No, I'm assuming people won't really want it because people never really wanted a portable console on the go with the PSP. Most gamers would rather just play those types of games on the TV.

If they do something cool with cloud saving and what not I can see an advantage to owning both, but playing the Vita version over the others doesn't really make sense -- I don't really think Call of Duty is going to have as big of an impact as you're suggesting it would.

How big of an impact am I suggesting? I don't recall saying the Vita will dominate because of COD. I just don't think it can be blown off so easily with only the series' history on the Wii and DS as evidence.

Yes, you can take the PSP's performance as an indicator that people aren't interested in portable console-type games, which is valid, but the fact remains that the Vita is the first venue in which that can be properly tested for games like COD, because it's the first handheld that has real parity with a modern console's control scheme (besides the 3DS with the analog attachment)

And why must people choose between the Vita and console versions? Of course you'd rather play on a TV, but you have the Vita for when you can't do that. Keep in mind, people play these games obsessively.

One of the major problems I see with the Vita version of COD, is that the game centres around the online. The single player means nothing to people really just a bit of filler, and with the Vita being restricted to WiFi for online play that would mean people will be restricted mostly to their homes. Until WiFi hotspots become the norm everywhere portable COD is a bit useless at this point, as fans of COD already own the 360 or PS3 version. Would people rather play on the console version at home or the Vita? I would presume the console versions.

I'm sure it will do well, but nowhere near the PS3/360 numbers, and I doubt it will be a system seller.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

But like I said...they have never had the opportunity to play COD on a portable platform it's suited for. You can only assume they won't be drawn to it because it has never been tested.

p4s2p0

No, I'm assuming people won't really want it because people never really wanted a portable console on the go with the PSP. Most gamers would rather just play those types of games on the TV.

If they do something cool with cloud saving and what not I can see an advantage to owning both, but playing the Vita version over the others doesn't really make sense -- I don't really think Call of Duty is going to have as big of an impact as you're suggesting it would.

DS is at 151 million now - PS2 lost its throne as the biggest selling purpose-built gaming device of all time.

[QUOTE="p4s2p0"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

No, I'm assuming people won't really want it because people never really wanted a portable console on the go with the PSP. Most gamers would rather just play those types of games on the TV.

If they do something cool with cloud saving and what not I can see an advantage to owning both, but playing the Vita version over the others doesn't really make sense -- I don't really think Call of Duty is going to have as big of an impact as you're suggesting it would.

PillyChickle

DS is at 151 million now - PS2 lost its throne as the biggest selling purpose-built gaming device of all time.

I don't think its fully passed it yet.

It is still the higest selling console of all time.

No Nintendo or Xbox console will change that :P

[QUOTE="PillyChickle"]

[QUOTE="p4s2p0"] What are you talking about psp sold over 70 million and ds over 140 million more than ps3/360. So of course there are people that want a portable console, doesn't mean they have to give up other ways of gaming unless they want to.tonitorsi

DS is at 151 million now - PS2 lost its throne as the biggest selling purpose-built gaming device of all time.

I don't think its fully passed it yet.

It is still the higest selling console of all time.

No Nintendo or Xbox console will change that :P

You're right in one aspect.

The PS2 has sold 153 million and the DS has sold 151 million.

But that doesn't mean the DS won't outsell the PS2 when everything boils down.

Remember, Mario Kart DS was a big seller this year.

How big of an impact am I suggesting? I don't recall saying the Vita will dominate because of COD. I just don't think it can be blown off so easily with only the series' history on the Wii and DS as evidence.

Yes, you can take the PSP's performance as an indicator that people aren't interested in portable console-type games, which is valid, but the fact remains that the Vita is the first venue in which that can be properly tested for games like COD, because it's the first handheld that has real parity with a modern console's control scheme (besides the 3DS with the analog attachment)

And why must people choose between the Vita and console versions? Of course you'd rather play on a TV, but you have the Vita for when you can't do that. Keep in mind, people play these games obsessively.

Cherokee_Jack

I just don't really see people picking up a Vita copy over a console copy -- and I don't really see people picking up both copies.

I don't understand the conflict here. I believe Haz is stating that if there are better options regarding the issue of playing console ports on handhelds then the better choice would be for gamers to play console-originated releases where they SHOULD be played - on televisions using nonportable consoles. We need to remember why we like handheld gaming in the first place - which is for handheld experiences, not merely as having a PS3 or Wii in your pocket.

True, technology has changed in which developers can cram bigger experiences using better tech but the main principle of handheld gaming should still apply.

jwallace

This is what I mean! There are better options for those types of games. A handheld should stick to being a handheld! Games that try to emulate console experiences don't work well - you either get games that feel like they'd be better placed on consoles (see Uncharted: Golden Abyss) or you get games that have better control options available but with a compromise of portability and an extra $19.99 (Resident Evil: Revelations).