Iwata comments on high end graphics

"Looking at the software for home console systems, there are certainly the software titles for which very rich graphics must be reproduced on HD displays and which demand a large number of developers to spend a very long time to develop. It is one of the truths that a certain number of such software titles must be prepared, or the consumers will not be satisfied. But we do not think that any and all the software must be created in that fashion. When you look at Nintendo's software, extraordinary rich graphics, massive gameplay volume and astonishing rendition effects are not necessarily the appealing point. It is, in fact, important for us that our games are appealing in other ways as well."

Here's the link link to the Q&A session.

This is something I have been saying for some time now. Nintendo's games look simple and clean visually, and they will continue to do so on Wii U.

I want a Mario game on HD, and cartoonish HI-RES textures. at 1080p and 60fps.

And if the WiiU can do that Im sold

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Yeah, but that doesn't mean realistic graphics are pointless. They add alot to the gameworld and its atmosphere if implemented correctly. He is simply saying that they are a nice addition, which is true.

I want a Mario game on HD, and cartoonish HI-RES textures. at 1080p and 60fps.

And if the WiiU can do that Im sold

Pelon208

I don't think an SMG style Mario can be done in native 1080p 60fps on a $399 2012 console, but that would be ideal for me too.

720p 60 fps is what I'm expecting at least, and that's awesome.

And both can't be done because...?

And both can't be done because...?

topgunmv

There are people who consider simplistic games such as Wii Sports Resort, Nintendogs, Brain Age, Mario Kart or Mario to be more visually pleasing than highly detailed photo realistic games.

This might be crazy for you, but I think that SMG2 is still the best looking game. Yes, I think it looks better running on Wii than BF3 maxed out on PC.

"When you look at Nintendo's software, extraordinary rich graphics, massive gameplay volume and astonishing rendition effects are not necessarily the appealing point. It is, in fact, important for us that our games are appealing in other ways as well."

This right here irks me a bit. What do you mean by massive gameplay volume? But besides that I just don't like the tone I'm getting out of these comments. Bravo for thinking about creativity and innovation moving forward but give us the whole damn package. I'm not saying the visuals need to be the best for each title but come on now you're releasing an HD console.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

And both can't be done because...?

SuperFlakeman

There are people who consider simplistic games such as Wii Sports Resort, Nintendogs, Brain Age, Mario Kart or Mario to be more visually pleasing than highly detailed photo realistic games.

This might be crazy for you, but I think that SMG2 is still the best looking game. Yes, I think it looks better running on Wii than BF3 maxed out on PC.

This might be surprising to you, but lego men and battlefield aren't the only graphics options.

What do you mean by massive gameplay volume?

T-razor1

Probably sheer scope in environments, big set pieces, massive explosions left and right, actual human cities not small sized towns. Nintendo wants to do Skyloft, not MW3's apocalyptic NY with collapsing buildings, actual big sized submarines, airplanes.

They prefer 15-20 highly detailed inhabitants with high quality dialogue and tons of personality, over 1000 generic townsfolk with generic dialogue.

etc.

[QUOTE="Pelon208"]

I want a Mario game on HD, and cartoonish HI-RES textures. at 1080p and 60fps.

And if the WiiU can do that Im sold

SuperFlakeman

I don't think an SMG style Mario can be done in native 1080p 60fps on a $399 2012 console, but that would be ideal for me too.

720p 60 fps is what I'm expecting at least, and that's awesome.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

And both can't be done because...?

topgunmv

There are people who consider simplistic games such as Wii Sports Resort, Nintendogs, Brain Age, Mario Kart or Mario to be more visually pleasing than highly detailed photo realistic games.

This might be crazy for you, but I think that SMG2 is still the best looking game. Yes, I think it looks better running on Wii than BF3 maxed out on PC.

This might be surprising to you, but lego men and battlefield aren't the only graphics options.

Wii = games with the best gameplay, always innovating, zero "bro gamers", zero gritty FPS

the others = 100% gritty FPS

according to some people, ofc

hey whatever they good at keep capitolizing on it whoever has a problem with there games just dont play them its really simple

"Looking at the software for home console systems, there are certainly the software titles for which very rich graphics must be reproduced on HD displays and which demand a large number of developers to spend a very long time to develop. It is one of the truths that a certain number of such software titles must be prepared, or the consumers will not be satisfied. But we do not think that any and all the software must be created in that fashion. When you look at Nintendo's software, extraordinary rich graphics, massive gameplay volume and astonishing rendition effects are not necessarily the appealing point. It is, in fact, important for us that our games are appealing in other ways as well."

Here's the link link to the Q&A session.

This is something I have been saying for some time now. Nintendo's games look simple and clean visually, and they will continue to do so on Wii U.

SuperFlakeman

Where people disagree is that Nintendo is successfully managing to "appeal in other ways". Yes, the Wii was a massive hit, but almost all of Nintendo's main franchises have been declining in sales. So unless Nintendo feels that selling a bunch of consoles but not selling many games is "appealling" to gamers, then they really need to re-evaluate.

well keep it at at least 720P and 30FPS iwata.osan0

He's not talking about resolution, framerate or how sharp the actual image is (technical stuff).

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

"Looking at the software for home console systems, there are certainly the software titles for which very rich graphics must be reproduced on HD displays and which demand a large number of developers to spend a very long time to develop. It is one of the truths that a certain number of such software titles must be prepared, or the consumers will not be satisfied. But we do not think that any and all the software must be created in that fashion. When you look at Nintendo's software, extraordinary rich graphics, massive gameplay volume and astonishing rendition effects are not necessarily the appealing point. It is, in fact, important for us that our games are appealing in other ways as well."

Here's the link link to the Q&A session.

This is something I have been saying for some time now. Nintendo's games look simple and clean visually, and they will continue to do so on Wii U.

ZIMdoom

Where people disagree is that Nintendo is successfully managing to "appeal in other ways". Yes, the Wii was a massive hit, but almost all of Nintendo's main franchises have been declining in sales. So unless Nintendo feels that selling a bunch of consoles but not selling many games is "appealling" to gamers, then they really need to re-evaluate.

there is no nintendo main series game that declined in sales....all of them sold mastadon number of copies

there is no nintendo main series game that declined in sales....all of them sold mastadon number of copies

Mario1331

Metroid has lower sales.

In quality though, most of them have fallen.

The only thing separating SMG2 and Metroid: Other M from 360/PS3 games was the 480p resolution and low-res textures. Had they been displayed in 1080p with some more detailed textures, they would have been on par with the majority of HD games. I understand what Iwata is saying, but they easily have the potential to produce amazing looking games. They just limited themselves with the Wii's hardware.foxhound_fox

This is not what Iwata is commenting on actually.

Rayman Origins and Skyrim both look amazing.

However Iwata says that Nintendo will focus on Rayman Origins type of graphics, not Skyrim, this is what the topic is about. Do we want Skyward Sword up-ressed, or do we want a Skyrim-ish Zelda with huge open fields, going for a more realistic approach, etc.

I don't know how to put it more simpler.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

there is no nintendo main series game that declined in sales....all of them sold mastadon number of copies

JLF1MarkII

Metroid has lower sales.

In quality though, most of them have fallen.

Metroid's sales have gone up and down over the decades, there is no standard of sales in the Metroid franchise.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

there is no nintendo main series game that declined in sales....all of them sold mastadon number of copies

JLF1MarkII

Metroid has lower sales.

In quality though, most of them have fallen.

hey whatever they good at keep capitolizing on it whoever has a problem with there games just dont play them its really simple

Mario1331

Is english not your first language? You sentsnces just seem to run and run...

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

And both can't be done because...?

SuperFlakeman

There are people who consider simplistic games such as Wii Sports Resort, Nintendogs, Brain Age, Mario Kart or Mario to be more visually pleasing than highly detailed photo realistic games.

This might be crazy for you, but I think that SMG2 is still the best looking game. Yes, I think it looks better running on Wii than BF3 maxed out on PC.

What would change if SMG had a higher rez and more detailed models? :s

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

there is no nintendo main series game that declined in sales....all of them sold mastadon number of copies

Shinobishyguy

Metroid has lower sales.

In quality though, most of them have fallen.

I'm specifically talking about Wii games. 3DS are awesome so far.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

And both can't be done because...?

GD1551

There are people who consider simplistic games such as Wii Sports Resort, Nintendogs, Brain Age, Mario Kart or Mario to be more visually pleasing than highly detailed photo realistic games.

This might be crazy for you, but I think that SMG2 is still the best looking game. Yes, I think it looks better running on Wii than BF3 maxed out on PC.

What would change if SMG had a higher rez and more detailed models? :s

I don't follow?

there is no nintendo main series game that declined in sales....all of them sold mastadon number of copies

Mario1331

Nice straw man fallacy. I never said the games don't sell well. I said sales have been dropping over the gens, which is fact.

Mario World- 20 million

Mario 64 -11M

Mario Galaxy - 6.4 M

Zelda - 6.5M

Link to the past (my personal favorite of all time) - 4M

Ocarina (considered best Zelda game of all time) - 7.6 M

Twilight Princess - 5.8M

Name any main Nintendo franchise (on console) and I wil be confident it no longer sells like it used do. Sure, it sells very good, but the trend is downward. And if the Wii sold better than any Nintendo console since maybe the SNES, why are their main series seing declining sales? I would possibly even argue that even if they sold the same number as past gens, it is still a step down because of the larger market they now have.

No matter how you try and spin it, the number (or percentage) of people buying Nintendo's games is going down.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

There are people who consider simplistic games such as Wii Sports Resort, Nintendogs, Brain Age, Mario Kart or Mario to be more visually pleasing than highly detailed photo realistic games.

This might be crazy for you, but I think that SMG2 is still the best looking game. Yes, I think it looks better running on Wii than BF3 maxed out on PC.

SuperFlakeman

What would change if SMG had a higher rez and more detailed models? :s

I don't follow?

I'm asking what would change if SMG kept that artstyle and had a higher rez and more detailed models.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

Metroid has lower sales.

In quality though, most of them have fallen.

JLF1MarkII

I'm specifically talking about Wii games. 3DS are awesome so far.

That is laughable imo, never has Nintendo had such stellar games before. SNES is the last time I remember Nintendo being that good.

I'm asking what would change if SMG kept that artstyle and had a higher rez and more detailed models.

GD1551

I would like it even more?

Sharper image from higher res.

No not really the gap between the wii and the 360/PS3 was huge. Playing metroid prime in hd would not make look as good as halo reach or uncharted. Much more advanced lighting, deffered rendering, shader model, etc. With that said Nintendo games always look good for their hardware, let's see what they can do with something 6-7 times faster than a 360.GotNugz

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

I'm asking what would change if SMG kept that artstyle and had a higher rez and more detailed models.

SuperFlakeman

I would like it even more?

Sharper image from higher res.

Then why can't nintendo have extraordinary rich graphics?

Then why can't nintendo have extraordinary rich graphics?

GD1551

You are also misunderstanding the topic.

It's always extremes with Nintendo. Why can't we have BOTH? Bread_or_Decide

Both what?

Iwata simply states that Nintendo prefers simpler and cleaner games visually.

Think about Mario Kart for a second. Compare it with Forza 4 or GT5.

This is what Iwata is talking about. Graphical simplicity, it's a design choice.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Then why can't nintendo have extraordinary rich graphics?

SuperFlakeman

You are also misunderstanding the topic.

No I'm not. What I got from that article was that "we don't want to make better visuals because it's too expensive". He also talked about the appeal of their type of visuals but stated they go for that look and don't place anymore effort because sheep will eat it up anyway and it's not needed to do so as it will appeal to them. Even in the last few sentences he talks about them having to play the power game at times and mentions zelda...

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]It's always extremes with Nintendo. Why can't we have BOTH? SuperFlakeman

Both what?

Iwata simply states that Nintendo prefers simpler and cleaner games visually.

Think about Mario Kart for a second. Compare it with Forza 4 or GT5.

This is what Iwata is talking about. Graphical simplicity, it's a design choice.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Then why can't nintendo have extraordinary rich graphics?

GD1551

You are also misunderstanding the topic.

No I'm not. What I got from that article was that "we don't want to make better visuals because it's too expensive". He also talked about the appeal of their type of visuals but stated they go for that look because sheep will eat it up anyway as it will appeal to them. Even in the last few sentences he talks about them having to play the power game at times and mentions zelda...

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Then why can't nintendo have extraordinary rich graphics?

GD1551

You are also misunderstanding the topic.

No I'm not. What I got from that article was that "we don't want to make better visuals because it's too expensive". He also talked about the appeal of their type of visuals but stated they go for that look because sheep will eat it up anyway as it will appeal to them. Even in the last few sentences he talks about them having to play the power game at times and mentions zelda...

People should either read the article or stop making absurd assumptions. The quote TC posted describes how Nintendo does not feel like they should only create games with long development times and rich graphics all the time. They used Rhythm Heaven ( a game released for the Wii last year) as an example. The game was a huge success because of the clean graphical appeal, however he also emphasizes that Nintendo will immediately use high resources with games that are expected to. He used Legend of Zelda as that example.

He is absolutely right, and it is no secrete, not all games on the ps3/360 are incredible rich and detailed and people dont seem to care now.Onlybig budget titles seem to get thatmuch care and attention and everyone seems to be fine with that. However, theinterview has me a greatly concerned about something else regarding the Wii-U and that is the graphical capabilities of the system. In the interview they constantly said numerous times that the Wii-U will have capabilities(concerning graphics)like todays HD-systems. They make similar comments at least 4 times and emphasise that they need to make the Wii-U stand out much like the Wii did.

Although there is not much evidence, it concludes me to think that the Wii-U will not be as strong as many claim (which is very unfortunate if true) especially when comparing consoles of today that use technology of yesterday.I hope Nintendo clears up the smoke effectivly this time at E3.

That is laughable imo, never has Nintendo had such stellar games before. SNES is the last time I remember Nintendo being that good.

SuperFlakeman

Nintendo are also releasing straight up bad game like Wii Music, Flingsmash and Wii Play now. Nintendo has gone from a company that guaranteed good games to a company that delivers games in every quality level from bad to AAAA.

Super Mario Kart is long over due for an overhaul in it's design. I think Nintendo is making excuses to be lazy and rely on the same design year after year. Why are you comparing a kart racer to GT5? How is that an excuse not to do more with games like mario kart?Bread_or_Decide

I made the comparison strictly from a visual standpoint, because I want to highlight what I mean with simple and clean graphics.

Mario Kart is a special case when it comes to game design. It's a conservative franchise, but one that only releases once per system.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]Mario 64 -11M Mario Galaxy - 6.4 Mfoxhound_fox

I wish he had used actual sales of the games though instead of outdated Wikipedia as a source.

"Looking at the software for home console systems, there are certainly the software titles for which very rich graphics must be reproduced on HD displays and which demand a large number of developers to spend a very long time to develop. It is one of the truths that a certain number of such software titles must be prepared, or the consumers will not be satisfied. But we do not think that any and all the software must be created in that fashion. When you look at Nintendo's software, extraordinary rich graphics, massive gameplay volume and astonishing rendition effects are not necessarily the appealing point. It is, in fact, important for us that our games are appealing in other ways as well."

SuperFlakeman

THe man knows the deal.

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Then why can't nintendo have extraordinary rich graphics?

GD1551

You are also misunderstanding the topic.

No I'm not. What I got from that article was that "we don't want to make better visuals because it's too expensive". He also talked about the appeal of their type of visuals but stated they go for that look and don't place anymore effort because sheep will eat it up anyway and it's not needed to do so as it will appeal to them. Even in the last few sentences he talks about them having to play the power game at times and mentions zelda...

Apparently TC prefers wii sport's graphics to sonic generation's.

It's not simple enough! So ugly! *barf*

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

"Looking at the software for home console systems, there are certainly the software titles for which very rich graphics must be reproduced on HD displays and which demand a large number of developers to spend a very long time to develop. It is one of the truths that a certain number of such software titles must be prepared, or the consumers will not be satisfied. But we do not think that any and all the software must be created in that fashion. When you look at Nintendo's software, extraordinary rich graphics, massive gameplay volume and astonishing rendition effects are not necessarily the appealing point. It is, in fact, important for us that our games are appealing in other ways as well."

Heirren

THe man knows the deal.

Yes, and they will do that from a 3rd party perspective as well as collaborations with outside teams. Eurocom could do a Wii U exclusive for instance, published by Nintendo or another 3rd party.

I'm mostly interested in how Nintendo 1st party translates to Wii U hardware.