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#1 Timstuff
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A few months ago, if I told you that the PSP and PS3 would be dominating Japan's sales charts, with just the PSP selling nearly as much as the Wii, DSi, and DS combined (not to mention the PS3 dwarfing Wii in sales), I would have been the laughing stock of the System Wars (though it's not like I'm unfamiliar with such a situation-- but that was back when I was still a Nintendo fanboy). However, perhaps I should let the link below speak for itself:

http://kotaku.com/5169133/playstation-3-still-japans-bestselling-console-but-psp-claims-first-place

For a while now, it's been pretty common to see the Playstation family of products bumping the Wii out of first place, but this month is proving to be quite a doozy. In Japan, I think it's safe to say that the pandamonium for Nintendo is ending-- that is, if it hasn't already ended. Is it really that hard to understand why, though? The PS3 has actually been getting some very good games lately, and the Wii has been getting a steady stream of shovelware.

And that brings me to item number 2: if Wii's own country of origin is getting bored of it, is the rest of the world far behind? Sure, Nintendo just raised the price of the Wii in the UK, but that was more due to inflation than actual demand for the system. It's still fairly hard to find a Wii at a Wal-Mart, but it's not like the store shelves are barren like they were at this time in 2008. It's not at immediate risk for being passed by the Xbox 360 in the US (or PS3 in Europe), but if Wii lost its dominion in Japan, it won't be long before the west follows suit.

I think the reason for all this should be fairly clear: Nintendo did not build the Wii on a business model that will stand the test of time. What they did was make a very compelling "must have Christmas present." I do not want to sound fanboyish here, but the Wii basically sold like it was a fancy toy, like Tickle Me Elmo or Furby. Once everyone who wants one has one, rekindling the flames is not going to be easy by any means. Lighting doesn't strike the same spot twice, and if Nintendo tries to repeat the Wii strategy next generation, it's going to hurt them. The Wii's days in the #1 spot are numbered, and it's all a question of when gamers in the Western hemesphere start to grow tired of waggleware in the same way as their counterparts in the east have.

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#2 tOtalPWNaAe
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yeah,i now Sony is having a strong month but what happens when Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter 3 are released?
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This is a good month for Sony but please dont get ahead of your self. You will only fuel the fire of the 360 fanboys.

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You can thank yakuza 3 for that

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#5 ASK_Story
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Um, no because even last year, Sony had a few runs and slowed down afterwards. Right now, the PSP and PS3 has a few big releases like Yakuza 3, a new Dynasty Warrior or Gundam game for the PSP, and RE5 where the Japanese market will pick up RE5 on the PS3 rather than the 360. So it's really no big deal. It's only one or two weeks. What about that week the 360 was in the lead because of Star Ocean 4? It's really Nintendo's own fault for not releasing quality software on a consistent basis. Dragon Quest IX will give them a huge lift but what else is coming out for the Wii that can compete with RE5 or Yakuza 3? Nothing.
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#6 Chutebox
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This is a good month for Sony but please dont get ahead of your self. You will only fuel the fire of the 360 fanboys.

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Lol, lemmings have no say in the matter of Japan.
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PSP has been doing great software and hardware wise in japan for over a year.

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#8 killerfist
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[QUOTE="GoldenElementXL"]

This is a good month for Sony but please dont get ahead of your self. You will only fuel the fire of the 360 fanboys.

Chutebox
Lol, lemmings have no say in the matter of Japan.

Lulz, very true. He has a point though, we will see if this trend continues.
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A few months ago, if I told you that the PSP and PS3 would be dominating Japan's sales charts, with just the PSP selling nearly as much as the Wii, DSi, and DS combined (not to mention the PS3 dwarfing Wii in sales), I would have been the laughing stock of the System Wars (though it's not like I'm unfamiliar with such a situation-- but that was back when I was still a Nintendo fanboy). However, perhaps I should let the link below speak for itself:

http://kotaku.com/5169133/playstation-3-still-japans-bestselling-console-but-psp-claims-first-place

For a while now, it's been pretty common to see the Playstation family of products bumping the Wii out of first place, but this month is proving to be quite a doozy. In Japan, I think it's safe to say that the pandamonium for Nintendo is ending-- that is, if it hasn't already ended. Is it really that hard to understand why, though? The PS3 has actually been getting some very good games lately, and the Wii has been getting a steady stream of shovelware.

And that brings me to item number 2: if Wii's own country of origin is getting bored of it, is the rest of the world far behind? Sure, Nintendo just raised the price of the Wii in the UK, but that was more due to inflation than actual demand for the system. It's still fairly hard to find a Wii at a Wal-Mart, but it's not like the store shelves are barren like they were at this time in 2008. It's not at immediate risk for being passed by the Xbox 360 in the US (or PS3 in Europe), but if Wii lost its dominion in Japan, it won't be long before the west follows suit.

I think the reason for all this should be fairly clear: Nintendo did not build the Wii on a business model that will stand the test of time. What they did was make a very compelling "must have Christmas present." I do not want to sound fanboyish here, but the Wii basically sold like it was a fancy toy, like Tickle Me Elmo or Furby. Once everyone who wants one has one, rekindling the flames is not going to be easy by any means. Lighting doesn't strike the same spot twice, and if Nintendo tries to repeat the Wii strategy next generation, it's going to hurt them. The Wii's days in the #1 spot are numbered, and it's all a question of when gamers in the Western hemesphere start to grow tired of waggleware in the same way as their counterparts in the east have.

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1 your threads misleading - they arent bored of wii , just because you see less wiis being sold dont mean japans getting bored of wii ,

2 its because of yakuza, how many threads are you cows gonna post, of the same thing when we know ps3 will have its good times , and it will have its bad times

3 no , united states will not follow because 1 we dont have yakuza we dont have the same taste in games and

4 we are bigger market then japan , there for if sony only leads there but fails else where, it will not hurt nintendo , and what is people saying nintendo is at fault, they release 1 game am onth last year in the us , and more in japan we didnt get like re0 -we are just now getting it in q4 09

5 like i said , japan sales wont help sony catch nintendo , because they sold 2 to 1, for 2 weeks, i gurantee you it will go back to normal,

6 also , since japan is smaller, has it ever occured to you that mostly every one probably already owns a wii in japan it did sell 15 thousand each week , so thats 30 thousand, thats still a hefty number when you consider 3 yrs worth selling millions and millions of units

you get your hopes up, i said this same thing when gamecube was behind, boy i gave my hopes up, no one title wont help sony catch nintendo ,

your just adding more feul to the fire started by many cows, who think they know it all,

remember nintendo came 2nd, -after atari, ,

there for if you havent played a nes in your life time, i fell sorry for ya,

and ya wait til nintendos big hitters come, to japan

for sure sales will go back up ,

remember punchout !

sin and punish ment 2

dragon quest

final fantasy series

as some one said theres other games aimed at japan , for wii , that have yet to be released ,

dont count out excite bots trick racing either or wii sports resort,

i guess you forgot that one to,

with wii motion plus

and with the newly announced re uc2 ,

even more fun coming along, then you got klonoa,

i dont think its remotely possible that ps3 will keep selling, or at least catch wiis overall japan numbers, their to far into this generation to come back ,

3 yrs is to long, and ds is still selling good so what you talkin about ds for, dsi and dslite count you know and thats to far ahead for sure, 2004- 2008 for years of total domination pft, your on a losing case,

this gens winner has long been decided, remember wii sold over 2million in the holidays alone, in one month,

and another 1 million and somthing the prvieous month in 08 so , how you say its nintendo fault,

i think japanese pick their days,for say, theyll support nintendo as long as they are around , no questions asked,

just release one game talored to them , thats all it takes,

i dont think sony has anything left up its sleeve for them to because they dont release games like nintendo does,

1 a month, or more, remember there is wii makes ,like pikmin

so ya, japanesse gamers for the most part own a wii already what do you expect a small country to continue to buy wiis, and ps3s for ever,

look at ps2s numbers, 6 thousand,

shows you japan has already bought ps2s , ,

theyll do the same for wii

and this could also be the reason 2,664,366ps3 sold as of dec 08 from wikipedia thats the total of japan ps3 sells is 2 million wii is nearly 11 million according to wiki ,

so ya its a far stretch for sony to sell enough to catch wii in japan alone,

you definatelly have gotten ahead of your self,

wii is also the leading selling console elsewhere,

including us

so ya good luck on your post of the same thing posted 5 times,

heres the hand held side of sales

psp 50 million

ds 100 million you see

pft it will be a miracle for psp to catch up to a handheld that should have its successor very soon

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next question is, after the wii, what would they think of next?
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#11 mariokart64fan
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wii 2 is in development!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

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next question is, after the wii, what would they think of next?yamato01
I dunno... Nuttz?

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It's not that they are bored of their Wiis, it's more along the lines of everyone there owns one by now. The Wii install base there is perfectly fine, I'm sure.

More than fine, actually.

The PS3 is still finding it's legs.

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#14 mariokart64fan
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[QUOTE="Micropixel"]

It's not that they are bored of their Wiis, it's more along the lines of everyone there owns one by now. The Wii install base there is perfectly fine, I'm sure.

More than fine, actually.

The PS3 is still finding it's legs.

agreed, if you look on wikipedia, you can see that nearly 10 million own a wii there, and thats a small country, and they still sell little by little now, so ya it continues its rise, world wide wii sold over 50 million already whats ps3 sold, a measly 24 million , as of march lol maybe less, cause 360 sits 2nd with 34 million lol , and wii continues to thrive in us, those saying itll follow your nuts, there more ps2 owners in america then japan , so if the trend is right, theres gonna be more wii owners here , when this gen is all said and done im predicting , 100 million wiis, 60 million ps3s- any sale after wii is done, dont count so dont try to inflate and just under 60 million would be 360 , this is a guess, but wii could have more, so can 360 and ps3, but wii still will lead the pack , you cant say it wont , remember once ps2 got out, it was out in front, so its going the same way this time its nintendo
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just my 2 cents: its only been a couple of weeks of domination. now if they start stringing together months, then we'll talk about ps3's rise to domination. besides that though, the wii is still selling strong in japan, its not going to go anywhere....they have a lot of japanese genre's down...they have retro games, or remakes and sequels to popular rpg's...and most of all accesibility....

if i had a choice, i wish the wii fad would die down...its barely a console, and a console that have only a handful of good GAMES. i dont care much about the casual games...i'm waiting for wii to not use a remote to play with...its soo akward when playing other types of games that aren't casual sports...i used to love ninty....but the wii really turned me off

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[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"][QUOTE="Micropixel"]

It's not that they are bored of their Wiis, it's more along the lines of everyone there owns one by now. The Wii install base there is perfectly fine, I'm sure.

More than fine, actually.

The PS3 is still finding it's legs.

agreed, if you look on wikipedia, you can see that nearly 10 million own a wii there, and thats a small country, and they still sell little by little now, so ya it continues its rise, world wide wii sold over 50 million already whats ps3 sold, a measly 24 million , as of march lol maybe less, cause 360 sits 2nd with 34 million lol , and wii continues to thrive in us, those saying itll follow your nuts, there more ps2 owners in america then japan , so if the trend is right, theres gonna be more wii owners here , when this gen is all said and done im predicting , 100 million wiis, 60 million ps3s- any sale after wii is done, dont count so dont try to inflate and just under 60 million would be 360 , this is a guess, but wii could have more, so can 360 and ps3, but wii still will lead the pack , you cant say it wont , remember once ps2 got out, it was out in front, so its going the same way this time its nintendo

u get your facts off of wiki...
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#17 r_gam3
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you do know that to nail the coffin in the PS3, Nintendo simply have to release colours and drop the price and release monster hunter all at the same time? If that happens you will be doomed. Hence, plz do not tempt fate.
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You can thank yakuza 3 for that

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RE5 has a big part of it as well.
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nintendo has sold over 7 million wiis in japan

sony has sold over 2 million ps3s in japan

... a good month doesn't really mean much

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="GoldenElementXL"]

This is a good month for Sony but please dont get ahead of your self. You will only fuel the fire of the 360 fanboys.

killerfist

Lol, lemmings have no say in the matter of Japan.

Lulz, very true. He has a point though, we will see if this trend continues.

They will be celebrating 1m sales in Japan next week.

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[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Lol, lemmings have no say in the matter of Japan.Nintendo_Man

Lulz, very true. He has a point though, we will see if this trend continues.

They will be celebrating 1m sales in Japan next week.

...which is WHY they have no say in the matter of japan
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#22 killerfist
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They will be celebrating 1m sales in Japan next week.Nintendo_Man
About time they did.
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yeah,i now Sony is having a strong month but what happens when Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter 3 are released?tOtalPWNaAe
Something tells me that if they switched MH3 from PS3 to Wii, then they can switch it back to the PS3. Just a possibility if the Wii's current sales continue.
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It's not that they are bored of their Wiis, it's more along the lines of everyone there owns one by now. The Wii install base there is perfectly fine, I'm sure.

More than fine, actually.

The PS3 is still finding it's legs.

Micropixel
Wrong. PS1 - 20 million PS2 - 24 million NDS - 26 million GBA - 16 million Wii - 8 million PS3 - 3 million.
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#25 Malta_1980
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all these threads celebrating the 2 great weeks PS3 & PSP had in japan will only harm fans of such systems... am already seeing SW getting flood by countless threads bashing and laughing at all those who claimed some sort of 'victorious comeback' once Wii gets back on top in Japan..

Dont get me wrong PS3 & PSP are my fav systems but lets just be happy for Sony that its systems are going through a good time (saleswise) without feeling the need to create 10 threads per hour :)

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[QUOTE="tOtalPWNaAe"]yeah,i now Sony is having a strong month but what happens when Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter 3 are released?Ragnarok1051
Something tells me that if they switched MH3 from PS3 to Wii, then they can switch it back to the PS3. Just a possibility if the Wii's current sales continue.

Not a chance lol. Even if Wii sales don't pick back up (which they will), there are still many more Wiis out in Japan than Ps3.
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#27 Famiking
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all these threads celebrating the 2 great weeks PS3 & PSP had in japan will only harm fans of such systems... am already seeing SW getting flood by countless threads bashing and laughing at all those who claimed some sort of 'victorious comeback' once Wii gets back on top in Japan..

Dont get me wrong PS3 & PSP are my fav systems but lets just be happy for Sony that its systems are going through a good time (saleswise) without feeling the need to create 10 threads per hour :)

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I don't think people care about PS3/PSP reigning. It's more about the Wii not reigning.
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#28 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="tOtalPWNaAe"]yeah,i now Sony is having a strong month but what happens when Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter 3 are released?Chutebox
Something tells me that if they switched MH3 from PS3 to Wii, then they can switch it back to the PS3. Just a possibility if the Wii's current sales continue.

Not a chance lol. Even if Wii sales don't pick back up (which they will), there are still many more Wiis out in Japan than Ps3.

I've always wondered how good MH's sales were on consoles. Do they sale more on handhelds or consoles?
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how can you seriously say that when PS3 has only done that for a month? it's too early to come to conclusions about this.
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Unfortunately, things will go back to normal when MH 3 and Dragon Quest 10 release.
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#31 Famiking
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"] I've always wondered how good MH's sales were on consoles. Do they sale more on handhelds or consoles?

Handhelds. Monster Hunter 2 PS2 sold around 600k.
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[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"] I've always wondered how good MH's sales were on consoles. Do they sale more on handhelds or consoles?

Handhelds. Monster Hunter 2 PS2 sold around 600k.

So why are sheep so certain sales will skyrocket with MH3? Is there something I'm missing?
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We are making a little bit much of this aren't we? A bunch of big games have come out for PS3 and PSP over there, while the 360 is persona non grata and the Wii well... it's like they don't even care about releasing games for it anymore. I bet the Wii will still pull out ahead with Faddy Minigame Collection 432 in the coming months.
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#34 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"] I've always wondered how good MH's sales were on consoles. Do they sale more on handhelds or consoles?

Handhelds. Monster Hunter 2 PS2 sold around 600k.

So why are sheep so certain sales will skyrocket with MH3? Is there something I'm missing?

600k+ only in Japan, for some reason vg doesn't have MH sale numbers for anywhere else (console version).
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#35 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="Famiking"] Handhelds. Monster Hunter 2 PS2 sold around 600k.

So why are sheep so certain sales will skyrocket with MH3? Is there something I'm missing?

600k+ only in Japan, for some reason vg doesn't have MH sale numbers for anywhere else (console version).

600k is pretty poor for Japan isn't it? I mean compared to the handhelds that is.
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#36 jjenkins78x
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[QUOTE="GoldenElementXL"]

This is a good month for Sony but please dont get ahead of your self. You will only fuel the fire of the 360 fanboys.

Chutebox

Lol, lemmings have no say in the matter of Japan.

:lol: Funny and true. Japan might as well be a unicorn if you're a lemming.

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#37 Famiking
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"] So why are sheep so certain sales will skyrocket with MH3? Is there something I'm missing?

600k+ only in Japan, for some reason vg doesn't have MH sale numbers for anywhere else (console version).

600k is pretty poor for Japan isn't it? I mean compared to the handhelds that is.

600k as a game is amazing. But it was released when Monster Hunter Portable was at ~500k. It didn't have the same legs Monster Hunter 2 G sold 3 million, so how much MH3 will sell is anyone's guess.
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#38 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] 600k+ only in Japan, for some reason vg doesn't have MH sale numbers for anywhere else (console version).Famiking
600k is pretty poor for Japan isn't it? I mean compared to the handhelds that is.

600k as a game is amazing. But it was released when Monster Hunter Portable was at ~500k. It didn't have the same legs Monster Hunter 2 G sold 3 million, so how much MH3 will sell is anyone's guess.

Yea, I think the first two MH built the series' popularity, then the PSP versions took over.

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#39 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="GoldenElementXL"]

This is a good month for Sony but please dont get ahead of your self. You will only fuel the fire of the 360 fanboys.

jjenkins78x

Lol, lemmings have no say in the matter of Japan.

:lol: Funny and true. Japan might as well be a unicorn if you're a lemming.

I laughed.
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#40 tOtalPWNaAe
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[QUOTE="tOtalPWNaAe"]yeah,i now Sony is having a strong month but what happens when Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter 3 are released?Ragnarok1051
Something tells me that if they switched MH3 from PS3 to Wii, then they can switch it back to the PS3. Just a possibility if the Wii's current sales continue.

not a chance,nintendo would pull a Microsoft and Pay them:Palso what happened to your transformer pic:o?
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#41 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="tOtalPWNaAe"]yeah,i now Sony is having a strong month but what happens when Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter 3 are released?tOtalPWNaAe
Something tells me that if they switched MH3 from PS3 to Wii, then they can switch it back to the PS3. Just a possibility if the Wii's current sales continue.

not a chance,nintendo would pull a Microsoft and Pay them:Palso what happened to your transformer pic:o?

I have been meaning to change it for a while. It was basically a pic of his no noes. I chose the one I have now for a filler until I can get a better one. I'm open to any ideas for a new one.
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#42 qewrewq
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Will the Wii ever catch up to the PSP in japan?

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#43 2-10-08
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Everyone in Japan already has one?

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#44 habkeinbock
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wii can make a pause of 3 years and even then the ps3 cant catch up :lol:

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#45 shawn7324
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I jumped in the boring line a long time ago.

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#46 m30w_cP
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Not until you can actually find a wii in the stores.. im still waiting to see one on a shelf so i can buy it. Xbox 360s and ps3s have been on american shelves for over a year now. Supply and demand people supply and demand.

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#47 Master-Thief-09
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Japan is probably saturated, wait until the Wii "Lite" is out. NA still has a lot more people who will buy a Wii.
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#48 metalgear-solid
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The Wii dominance will surely end. It has to. There's nothing in the console that's even remotely interesting.

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#49 Burnsmiesta
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I think its more likely that every single individual in Japan already owns a Wii and/or DS :lol:

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#50 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="Micropixel"]

It's not that they are bored of their Wiis, it's more along the lines of everyone there owns one by now. The Wii install base there is perfectly fine, I'm sure.

More than fine, actually.

The PS3 is still finding it's legs.

Your kidding right? If every person in Japan has a Wii then that means every person in Japan has five DS Lites. In other words thats an absurd rationalization for low sales.