Japan still has at least one good dev.

ive recently become an admirer of platinum games who made vanquish and bayonetta. japan still has plenty of decent devs

Was expecting a Nintendo thread. Honestly though I think this whole west>>>east thing is being blown out of proportion.

sandbox3d

It's awesome how FF13, 14, and GT5 don't meet the hype and now Japan is apparently an outdated trash heap of crappy games and devolopers. And not only that, but Japan devoloped games are compared to the rest of the whole world's games, where East = Japan and West = Everything else. It's such an ass backwards, poor was to look at the industry. Let's just ignore MGS, Nintendo, Street Fighter, Demons Souls, Dragon Quest, Ninja Gaiden, Persona, and now Japan has no good games compared to the US, Russia, the UK, France, Canada, Mexico, etc. It's unfair and narrow sighted.enterawesome

i.e, games like: Resident Evil, Ninja Gaiden, MGS, Morrow wind...ect

why is there a west vs east beef? cant we enjoy great games from great developers west or east?

also nintendo is probably the best dev this gen

[QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"][QUOTE="AznKSor"]

Honestly , I hate the idea of Japanese Devs trying to make their games more Western style. Keeps JRPG's .........JRPG's! :?

AznKSor

Was expecting a Nintendo thread. Honestly though I think this whole west>>>east thing is being blown out of proportion.

sandbox3d

the earth is a sphere so we are all west and east to someone

I honestly thought this was about From Software. It should've been anyway!!! :evil:

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]It's awesome how FF13, 14, and GT5 don't meet the hype and now Japan is apparently an outdated trash heap of crappy games and devolopers. And not only that, but Japan devoloped games are compared to the rest of the whole world's games, where East = Japan and West = Everything else. It's such an ass backwards, poor was to look at the industry. Let's just ignore MGS, Nintendo, Street Fighter, Demons Souls, Dragon Quest, Ninja Gaiden, Persona, and now Japan has no good games compared to the US, Russia, the UK, France, Canada, Mexico, etc. It's unfair and narrow sighted.mexicangordo

i.e, games like: Resident Evil, Ninja Gaiden, MGS, Morrow wind...ect

:?

Japan have at least one good developer and it's Cave? Based on their single AA game?

Let's ignore Nintendo EAD or SEGA or Atlus or Kojima Productions or From Software or Level-5 and give kudos to Cave as the saviour of the Japanese gaming industry?

[QUOTE="soulitane"]Still not understanding this obsession of Japan having bad developers.thom_maytees

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

Well, there's also every dev that works under Nintendo as well. I also like Capcom :)

millerlight89

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]It's awesome how FF13, 14, and GT5 don't meet the hype and now Japan is apparently an outdated trash heap of crappy games and devolopers. And not only that, but Japan devoloped games are compared to the rest of the whole world's games, where East = Japan and West = Everything else. It's such an ass backwards, poor was to look at the industry. Let's just ignore MGS, Nintendo, Street Fighter, Demons Souls, Dragon Quest, Ninja Gaiden, Persona, and now Japan has no good games compared to the US, Russia, the UK, France, Canada, Mexico, etc. It's unfair and narrow sighted.enterawesome

i.e, games like: Resident Evil, Ninja Gaiden, MGS, Morrow wind...ect

Famitsu did give MW2 a great score, and we gave Final Fintasy, Shemue (sp?) Kingdom Hearts, Tons of fighters, Metal Gear, Devil May cry and countless other games fantastic scores as well. I'll be honest I dont see your point of view anymore, at first it sounded like you don't like current Japan, and now this recent post sounds like your defending them. Am I missing something here?

:?

Japan have at least one good developer and it's Cave? Based on their single AA game?

Let's ignore Nintendo EAD or SEGA or Atlus or Kojima Productions or From Software or Level-5 and give kudos to Cave as the saviour of the Japanese gaming industry?

shinrabanshou

[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="mexicangordo"] Very blinded statement by someone who has a FF avatar... East makes games for the east, and the West makes games for the West. its always been like that since the beginning of gaming. The only difference now is that gaming is the most mainstream media/culture phenom right now, and thanks to that we have more people accustomed to western games to the point where if something is not "westernized" then its wrong. Thanks to that popularity, the new stereotype of gaming has emerged, games must have action, multiplayer focus, and must have everything every game has right now PLUS more. The same exact thing happened during the 90's. FPS wern't big, RPG's were and during that era we were accustomed to games made from the east and anything else was "wrong" unless it borrowed from them. Again the only difference being that video-games were popular but only amongst gamers, not amongst people. Im sure the western FPS, machoness, action packed fad will wash away soon. And hopefully a mixture of both regions will be the new focus.

i.e, games like: Resident Evil, Ninja Gaiden, MGS, Morrow wind...ect

Famitsu did give MW2 a great score, and we gave Final Fintasy, Shemue (sp?) Kingdom Hearts, Tons of fighters, Metal Gear, Devil May cry and countless other games fantastic scores as well. I'll be honest I dont see your point of view anymore, at first it sounded like you don't like current Japan, and now this recent post sounds like your defending them. Am I missing something here?

They have a lot of good devs but to leave Atlus out of this? Come on. :P

tagyhag

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"] I had my avatar before FF13 even came out, never bothered to change it. I haven't actually finished the game either. It used to be Darth Vader. It's extremely unfair to dismiss me as blind based on appearence however, also ignoring two Western games in my sig. Jumping the gun, much? I get that Japan makes games for Japan, the US makes games for the US, etc. But that doesn't mean, by any stretch that their games can't be quality in the eyes of other people not from the country the game was made. Famitsu gave MW2 a great score. Pretty much all Nintendo games are accepted as solid games from the sales to the meta score outside of Japan, same with the other examples I gave. That's why it baffles me that a lot of people say things like "Japan still has at least one good devoloper" as if the guys who made DeathSmiles (certainly talented men and women, make no mistake) are among the few in Japan who can produce good games, when clearly that's not the case at all. enterawesome

Famitsu did give MW2 a great score, and we gave Final Fintasy, Shemue (sp?) Kingdom Hearts, Tons of fighters, Metal Gear, Devil May cry and countless other games fantastic scores as well. I'll be honest I dont see your point of view anymore, at first it sounded like you don't like current Japan, and now this recent post sounds like your defending them. Am I missing something here?

Your statement totally sounded the other way around to me. Ha ha

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

They have a lot of good devs but to leave Atlus out of this? Come on. :P

codezer0

Wow you been missing alot unless you are not a fan of RPG. New additions to Shin Megami Tensei series, Trauma Center, plus many RPG that they published.

why is there a west vs east beef? cant we enjoy great games from great developers west or east?

also nintendo is probably the best dev this gen

Mario1331

Wrong... Nintendo is the best console game developer period, end of story....

Here are the rules for the gaming world...

PC games, American and European devs rule the roost, with some exceptions like Aion online and PSO.

Console games, the Japanese own the console world, with some exceptions of course.

[QUOTE="thom_maytees"][QUOTE="soulitane"]Still not understanding this obsession of Japan having bad developers.wmc540

afaik western games aren't that well received in japan either?

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

They have a lot of good devs but to leave Atlus out of this? Come on. :P

codezer0

[QUOTE="AznKSor"]

[QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"] Totally disagree. We need more Demon Souls type rpgs.Arach666

Team Ico is the best Japanese developer. Hands down.

There is also Nintendo, Atlus, SE on handhelds at least, Tri-ace, Level 5, Kojima Productions, Nippon Ichi Software,Platinum games, PD,Mistwalker and many others.

spookykid143

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Japan have at least one good developer and it's Cave? Based on their single AA game?

Let's ignore Nintendo EAD or SEGA or Atlus or Kojima Productions or From Software or Level-5 and give kudos to Cave as the saviour of the Japanese gaming industry?

shinrabanshou

Do you think "Japan still has at least one good dev" means "Japan only has one good dev"? If you're going by gamerankings, make that 3 AA games. Deathsmiles, Guwange (both localized), and the 2 EspGaluda II import reviews lol.

All of those developers you listed already recieve a lot of 'kudos'on these forums. If anything, Cave (and treasure) are 2 good developers that get very little recognition on here. I personally think they deserve it, altho I can see you haven't played many of their titles. I do agree with the companies you listed being good developers as well.. so feel free to praise those whom have already been praised time and time again :P no one is stopping you from making your own thread.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

:?

Japan have at least one good developer and it's Cave? Based on their single AA game?

Let's ignore Nintendo EAD or SEGA or Atlus or Kojima Productions or From Software or Level-5 and give kudos to Cave as the saviour of the Japanese gaming industry?

Some-Mist

Do you think "Japan still has at least one good dev" means "Japan only has one good dev"? If you're going by gamerankings, make that 3 AA games. Deathsmiles, Guwange (both localized), and the 2 EspGaluda II import reviews lol.

All of those developers you listed already recieve a lot of 'kudos'on these forums. If anything, Cave (and treasure) are 2 good developers that get very little recognition on here. I personally think they deserve it, altho I can see you haven't played many of their titles. I do agree with the companies you listed being good developers as well.. so feel free to praise those whom have already been praised time and time again :P no one is stopping you from making your own thread.

Why not simply "Cave are great, here's why:"

It does disservice to Japanese devs as a whole, whom already get **** upon these days a lot as it is.

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

:?

Japan have at least one good developer and it's Cave? Based on their single AA game?

Let's ignore Nintendo EAD or SEGA or Atlus or Kojima Productions or From Software or Level-5 and give kudos to Cave as the saviour of the Japanese gaming industry?

shinrabanshou

Do you think "Japan still has at least one good dev" means "Japan only has one good dev"? If you're going by gamerankings, make that 3 AA games. Deathsmiles, Guwange (both localized), and the 2 EspGaluda II import reviews lol.

All of those developers you listed already recieve a lot of 'kudos'on these forums. If anything, Cave (and treasure) are 2 good developers that get very little recognition on here. I personally think they deserve it, altho I can see you haven't played many of their titles. I do agree with the companies you listed being good developers as well.. so feel free to praise those whom have already been praised time and time again :P no one is stopping you from making your own thread.

Why not simply "Cave are great, here's why:"

It does disservice to Japanese devs as a whole, whom already get **** upon these days a lot as it is.

no one framed it as that which is why I find it hilarious that some people are treating it as if the TC is saying there is only one good developer in Japan. Japan still has at least one good developer, but there definitely is more. No one is being ignored, but the TC is giving Cave the recognition that you believe it doesn't deserve. Altho you're right. We might as well make a thread giving recognition to Nintendo, SEGA, Atlus, Kojima, From Software, and Level-5 since we know that those types of threads haven't been made yet.

no one framed it as that which is why I find it hilarious that some people are treating it as if the TC is saying there is only one good developer in Japan. Japan still has at least one good developer, but there definitely is more. No one is being ignored, but the TC is giving Cave the recognition that you believe it doesn't deserve. Altho you're right. We might as well make a thread giving recognition to Nintendo, SEGA, Atlus, Kojima, From Software, and Level-5 since we know that those types of threads haven't been made yet.

Some-Mist

The title frames it as such and the opening of the OP makes out as if they're a solitary bright light and the last great bastion of the Japanese game industry. They aren't a solitary bright light. They're one amongst many good and great developers.

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

no one framed it as that which is why I find it hilarious that some people are treating it as if the TC is saying there is only one good developer in Japan. Japan still has at least one good developer, but there definitely is more. No one is being ignored, but the TC is giving Cave the recognition that you believe it doesn't deserve. Altho you're right. We might as well make a thread giving recognition to Nintendo, SEGA, Atlus, Kojima, From Software, and Level-5 since we know that those types of threads haven't been made yet.

shinrabanshou

The title frames it as such and the opening of the OP makes out as if they're a solitary bright light and the last great bastion of the Japanese game industry. They aren't a solitary bright light. They're one amongst many good and great developers.

fair enough, altho I didn't interpret the OP as you did. I saw it more of as a East vs West sort of deal and Cave definitely fits his description (staying true to it's eastern roots) along with a couple of theones you listed. some of the companies you listed are trying to appeal to the west now. Atlus with the Cursed Crusade, From Software with Demon's Souls, SEGA with their localization of Yakuza 3 stripped of a lot of it's content such as the hostess bars, mahjong and shogi minigames.

I would have also given props to ignition for El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron. But I was pleasantly surprised to see Cave being the focus of the OP since they're a company you don't see much talk about here in SW.

[QUOTE="soulitane"]Still not understanding this obsession of Japan having bad developers.thom_maytees

The problem with Japan is, the crap far outweighs the quality. There still are plenty of quality developers who know how to make good games... but there are way more of them that are just in it for the money (Square-Enix), or have absolutely no idea what "quality" is (Team Ninja).

The problem with Japan is, the crap far outweighs the quality. There still are plenty of quality developers who know how to make good games... but there are way more of them that are just in it for the money (Square-Enix), or have absolutely no idea what "quality" is (Team Ninja).

foxhound_fox

Team Ico?tomarlyn

Was expecting a Nintendo thread. Honestly though I think this whole west>>>east thing is being blown out of proportion.

sandbox3d

I agree. In fact, I think it is the other way around, personally. Games like GTA4, RDR, Gears, etc. have all become major snoozefests. Plus, the gaming culture is different in Japan. Just because the bulk of western gamers on this site, as it seems, prefer western games, certainly does NOT mean that western developers>eastern developers. That whole train of thought is rather immature, imo.

[QUOTE="thom_maytees"][QUOTE="soulitane"]Still not understanding this obsession of Japan having bad developers.Zaibach