John Carmack: Rage To Look Worse On Xbox360

http://ps3.qj.net/Carmack-Rage-to-look-worse-on-Xbox-360-than-PS3-PC-Mac-versions/pg/49/aid/122805

wow who would have thought? and this is coming from one of the senior/best game developers.

blu-ray has the capacity and so does pc and mac for the game. where as xbox360 will require heavy compression which will comprimise quality.

so what do ppl say now?

so blu-ray still not needed?

or maybe john carmack doesnt matter anymore... :|

A topic such as this has already been posted - and it's even on the first page. :roll:

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26518681

Wait, wasnt it the PS3 fanboys who bashed Carmack for saying the xbox360 had more powerful hardware as total? Has the tunes changed? Nedless to say more space == better.IgorVitaly

well i for one never said such thing. anyway ye more space = better.

ppl need to realise this sooner or later tha blu-ray WILL be needed for future games. and this is an exmaple of that

Wait, wasnt it the PS3 fanboys who bashed Carmack for saying the xbox360 had more powerful hardware as total? Has the tunes changed? Nedless to say more space == better.IgorVitaly

They've never really changed.

http://www.xbox365.com/news.cgi?id=GGririiirr05121649

http://ps3.qj.net/Carmack-Rage-to-look-worse-on-Xbox-360-than-PS3-PC-Mac-versions/pg/49/aid/122805

wow who would have thought? and this is coming from one of the senior/best game developers.

blu-ray has the capacity and so does pc and mac for the game. where as xbox360 will require heavy compression which will comprimise quality.

so what do ppl say now?

so blu-ray still not needed?

or maybe john carmack doesnt matter anymore... :|

superjim42

John Carmack also said: -

By contrast, all of Rage's content will fit onto just one of the high-capacity Blu-Ray discs used by the PlayStation 3. However, Carmack shut down many Sony loyalists' blooming braggadocio by saying that while the Blu-Ray disc is clearly his preferred medium, the 360 is a superior piece of hardware for developers.

So would you agree with John Carmack (one of the senior/best game developers) that the 360 is a superior piece of hardware for gaming deveopers or does he not matter anymore?

The graphic difference might just end up being minor difference.

Untill at least 20% of games require Blu-ray disks then i would say Blu-ray is still not needed yet this gen. There is only a hand full of games that can't be done on one DVD and most of the rest could be done on multiple DVD.

Thats common sense

Cell=FTW!

Thats common sense

Cell=FTW!

haemorrhagiae

you didn't read it at all did you?

Thats common sense

Cell=FTW!

haemorrhagiae

[QUOTE="superjim42"]

http://ps3.qj.net/Carmack-Rage-to-look-worse-on-Xbox-360-than-PS3-PC-Mac-versions/pg/49/aid/122805

wow who would have thought? and this is coming from one of the senior/best game developers.

blu-ray has the capacity and so does pc and mac for the game. where as xbox360 will require heavy compression which will comprimise quality.

so what do ppl say now?

so blu-ray still not needed?

or maybe john carmack doesnt matter anymore... :|

campbell1874

John Carmack also said: -

By contrast, all of Rage's content will fit onto just one of the high-capacity Blu-Ray discs used by the PlayStation 3. However, Carmack shut down many Sony loyalists' blooming braggadocio by saying that while the Blu-Ray disc is clearly his preferred medium, the 360 is a superior piece of hardware for developers.

So would you agree with John Carmack (one of the senior/best game developers) that the 360 is a superior piece of hardware for gaming deveopers or does he not matter anymore?

The graphic difference might just end up being minor difference.

Untill at least 20% of games require Blu-ray disks then i would say Blu-ray is still not needed yet this gen. There is only a hand full of games that can't be done on one DVD and most of the rest could be done on multiple DVD.

Well, the 360 will soon have an installable feature for the 360, perhaps he can use that? Knowing John Tarmatt, it'll probably take 100M of disk space to install the game. :P

[QUOTE="IgorVitaly"]Wait, wasnt it the PS3 fanboys who bashed Carmack for saying the xbox360 had more powerful hardware as total? Has the tunes changed? Nedless to say more space == better.superjim42

well i for one never said such thing. anyway ye more space = better.

ppl need to realise this sooner or later tha blu-ray WILL be needed for future games. and this is an exmaple of that

Just not till next gen. Keep trying to justifiy your blu-ray player mate. One game doesn't mean you can ignore every other game that looks near identical on both platforms.

Why would shipping on 3 DVDs vs 2 make production costs soar? That makes very little sense to me, TBH.SpruceCaboose

That was my thought, something about paying royalties to MS though..

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Why would shipping on 3 DVDs vs 2 make production costs soar? That makes very little sense to me, TBH.EmperorSupreme

That was my thought, something about paying royalties to MS though..

Yeah, I am sure that the fees are a killer. I mean, LO and Blue Dragon didn't get past 1 disc because of them....

with games getting bigger you will see it happen more often. justt like last gen ps 2 games started on cd then transfer to dvd because the games got bigger. i mean if they were having a hard time fitting first year games gears for one was compressed the crap out of it to fit. mgs 4 50 gig disc. resistance 1 was 15 gig. resistance 2 is going to be twice that.

blu-ray is needed this gen for less compression alone. it takes the dev time to figure out how they need to compress the data in the game.

if the 360 had a bigger format the dev's this gen could have consintrated on the games more instead of compression.

with games getting bigger you will see it happen more often. justt like last gen ps 2 games started on cd then transfer to dvd because the games got bigger. i mean if they were having a hard time fitting first year games gears for one was compressed the crap out of it to fit. mgs 4 50 gig disc. resistance 1 was 15 gig. resistance 2 is going to be twice that.

blu-ray is needed this gen for less compression alone. it takes the dev time to figure out how they need to compress the data in the game.

if the 360 had a bigger format the dev's this gen could have consintrated on the games more instead of compression.

GARRYTH

those PS3 games didn't even use compression.

[QUOTE="superjim42"]

[QUOTE="IgorVitaly"]Wait, wasnt it the PS3 fanboys who bashed Carmack for saying the xbox360 had more powerful hardware as total? Has the tunes changed? Nedless to say more space == better.CreepyBacon

well i for one never said such thing. anyway ye more space = better.

ppl need to realise this sooner or later tha blu-ray WILL be needed for future games. and this is an exmaple of that

Just not till next gen. Keep trying to justifiy your blu-ray player mate. One game doesn't mean you can ignore every other game that looks near identical on both platforms.

do some research on the game RAGE before posting 'mate'. their engine is pushing megatextures which is not your run of the mill normal textures you get in games. these require more space for storage.

pretty much explains the reason for why xbox360 version will require 2 dvd's.

justification made\

Why would shipping on 3 DVDs vs 2 make production costs soar? That makes very little sense to me, TBH.SpruceCaboose

DVD:s costs money...
Example: $1 more in production cost can easily end up like $10 for the customer.

gears was like 5 gig. It was hardly pushing dvd to the limit.KinkInDaLink

Only 5? so GeOW2 its going to be like 8 gb

Thats common sense

Cell=FTW!

haemorrhagiae

Well done on reading. :| He said it was because of the dvd, and even specifically said last week that the cell processor had limited the engine. :|

[QUOTE="KinkInDaLink"]gears was like 5 gig. It was hardly pushing dvd to the limit.Pelon208

Only 5? so GeOW2 its going to be like 8 gb

[QUOTE="Pelon208"]

[QUOTE="KinkInDaLink"]gears was like 5 gig. It was hardly pushing dvd to the limit.angelkimne

Only 5? so GeOW2 its going to be like 8 gb

Of course it Will, it will have better textures, bigger environments, more enemy's, more weapons, more... more.... more....