JRPG haters....

Fable 2 looks like a Sims game rather than a RPG. Pregnant?WTF? do games really need that stuff? Pet Dogs? What is this s***?

I own a 360 but the only reason I will play this game is to get achievements.
Tamarind_Face

let me try and address some of the points here.

 1) I hate linear story lines. I hated Splinter cell, I hated King Kong and I've hated every JRPG I've played for that reason. Every game needs an overarching storyline but I, most importantly, want to be able to influence it not be forced along a pre-planned route the developers force me to go down. I want to be able to explore and go more or less whereever I want when I want. Side quests and stories not related to the main quest are important to add to the immersive experience.

2) Its a ROLE-playing game. I want to develop my own character, take them down a dark path or the high road. I dopn't want to be handed a pre-made character every time and forced to play them - whats the difference between that and say GTA? Simply playing through someone elses story is not role playing. I have never understood the Anime style of cartoon characters, either in film, TV or gaming, which (I hate to generalise), of bizarre looking characters (tiny kids with giant swords wtf? lol), the same ridiculous haircut they all have, horrible over the top "acting" and horrendus dialogue (although I guess some of this comes from translation). I'm not necessarily asking for realism but still ....

3) Combat, oh my god. I've never played FFXII so I can't comment on that, but the system of 2 opposing camps lining up opposite each other and taking it turns to some wierd special attack was just so daft! I saw someone saying KOTOR combat was too complicated! Are you kidding me? Thats a huge part of the problem with RPG's (and indeed gaming) today is the dumbing down of the system for the lowest common denominator (ie Oblivion - which as still a great game).

4) Cut scenes - oh cut scenes how I hate thee. Don't get me wrong the occasional cut scene can add to the story but too many of them kill the immersive experience and especially the 2nd time I play through a game I don't want to watch them. Again too many cut scenes for me = listening to some else's story. Theres plenty more I'd like to add but I'm in work and have restricted time, its already taken me an age to writethis thanks to numerous interruptions (so forgive me for any spelling & grammar mistakes or lack of coherence!)

EDIT: oh yea and Fable was a dull hack and slash with a miserable storyline!

[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]Fable 2 looks like a Sims game rather than a RPG. Pregnant?WTF? do games really need that stuff? Pet Dogs? What is this s***?

I own a 360 but the only reason I will play this game is to get achievements.
rowzzr

I own a 360 but the only reason I will play this game is to get achievements.
Tamarind_Face

The FF series is pretty much the only JRPG I've played. And I enjoyed them very much. However, I can see how crap like Blue Dragon could soil the genre for some people.Private_Vegas

[QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]The FF series is pretty much the only JRPG I've played. And I enjoyed them very much. However, I can see how crap like Blue Dragon could soil the genre for some people.TheCrazed420

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]The FF series is pretty much the only JRPG I've played. And I enjoyed them very much. However, I can see how crap like Blue Dragon could soil the genre for some people.blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]The FF series is pretty much the only JRPG I've played. And I enjoyed them very much. However, I can see how crap like Blue Dragon could soil the genre for some people.TheCrazed420

...should watch Gamespot's video of Peter Molyneux's demo for Fable 2. He talks about how Final Fantasy VII (as well as Ico) was emotionally impactful for him as a gamer, and how he hopes to replicate that emotional appeal in Fable 2 (in his own way, of course).

It just goes to show that there are good qualities in both jrpg's and wrpg's, and that developers from both sides can learn from one another. Look at Final Fantasy XII -- clearly the team that made the game learned from wrpg's.

I've always disliked the sentiment of wrpg players that jrpg's are anachronistic, and that because they tell linear storylines and give you a character whose identity and story is developed beforehand, that they are thus inferior to wrpg's.

If a well-established game designer like Peter Molyneux can recognize the virtues of emotional appeal in jrpg's, I think wrpg players should as well.
fuzzysquash

Every gamer grew up playing JPRPGs,

It's not that people hate it,

Its just that it's getting old and played-out.

WRPGs are new and have alot more to offer then just linear story-line, filled with CGI, and turn base combat system.

WRPGs are more appealing right now, but JPRPGs are still fun.

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]The FF series is pretty much the only JRPG I've played. And I enjoyed them very much. However, I can see how crap like Blue Dragon could soil the genre for some people.blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]The FF series is pretty much the only JRPG I've played. And I enjoyed them very much. However, I can see how crap like Blue Dragon could soil the genre for some people.TheCrazed420

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]...should watch Gamespot's video of Peter Molyneux's demo for Fable 2. He talks about how Final Fantasy VII (as well as Ico) was emotionally impactful for him as a gamer, and how he hopes to replicate that emotional appeal in Fable 2 (in his own way, of course).

It just goes to show that there are good qualities in both jrpg's and wrpg's, and that developers from both sides can learn from one another. Look at Final Fantasy XII -- clearly the team that made the game learned from wrpg's.

I've always disliked the sentiment of wrpg players that jrpg's are anachronistic, and that because they tell linear storylines and give you a character whose identity and story is developed beforehand, that they are thus inferior to wrpg's.

If a well-established game designer like Peter Molyneux can recognize the virtues of emotional appeal in jrpg's, I think wrpg players should as well.
Dm1uciano

Every gamer grew up playing JPRPGs,

It's not that people hate it,

Its just that it's getting old and played-out.

WRPGs are new and have alot more to offer then just linear story-line, filled with CGI, and turn base combat system.

WRPGs are more appealing right now, but JPRPGs are still fun.

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]The FF series is pretty much the only JRPG I've played. And I enjoyed them very much. However, I can see how crap like Blue Dragon could soil the genre for some people.blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]The FF series is pretty much the only JRPG I've played. And I enjoyed them very much. However, I can see how crap like Blue Dragon could soil the genre for some people.blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]The FF series is pretty much the only JRPG I've played. And I enjoyed them very much. However, I can see how crap like Blue Dragon could soil the genre for some people.TheCrazed420

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]...should watch Gamespot's video of Peter Molyneux's demo for Fable 2. He talks about how Final Fantasy VII (as well as Ico) was emotionally impactful for him as a gamer, and how he hopes to replicate that emotional appeal in Fable 2 (in his own way, of course).

It just goes to show that there are good qualities in both jrpg's and wrpg's, and that developers from both sides can learn from one another. Look at Final Fantasy XII -- clearly the team that made the game learned from wrpg's.

I've always disliked the sentiment of wrpg players that jrpg's are anachronistic, and that because they tell linear storylines and give you a character whose identity and story is developed beforehand, that they are thus inferior to wrpg's.

If a well-established game designer like Peter Molyneux can recognize the virtues of emotional appeal in jrpg's, I think wrpg players should as well.
Dm1uciano

Every gamer grew up playing JPRPGs,

It's not that people hate it,

Its just that it's getting old and played-out.

WRPGs are new and have alot more to offer then just linear story-line, filled with CGI, and turn base combat system.

WRPGs are more appealing right now, but JPRPGs are still fun.

Fable 2 looks like a Sims game rather than a RPG. Pregnant?WTF? do games really need that stuff? Pet Dogs? What is this s***?

I own a 360 but the only reason I will play this game is to get achievements.
Tamarind_Face

I personally don't want a "live it yourself" experience that WRPGs offer. I like getting involved in an almost cinematic experience, which is why I prefer JPRGs. I realize their gameplay usually is fairly linear, but for me I just hate the art and unimaginative stories in western gamesosusfaith

[QUOTE="Dm1uciano"]

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]...should watch Gamespot's video of Peter Molyneux's demo for Fable 2. He talks about how Final Fantasy VII (as well as Ico) was emotionally impactful for him as a gamer, and how he hopes to replicate that emotional appeal in Fable 2 (in his own way, of course).

It just goes to show that there are good qualities in both jrpg's and wrpg's, and that developers from both sides can learn from one another. Look at Final Fantasy XII -- clearly the team that made the game learned from wrpg's.

I've always disliked the sentiment of wrpg players that jrpg's are anachronistic, and that because they tell linear storylines and give you a character whose identity and story is developed beforehand, that they are thus inferior to wrpg's.

If a well-established game designer like Peter Molyneux can recognize the virtues of emotional appeal in jrpg's, I think wrpg players should as well.
fuzzysquash

Every gamer grew up playing JPRPGs,

It's not that people hate it,

Its just that it's getting old and played-out.

WRPGs are new and have alot more to offer then just linear story-line, filled with CGI, and turn base combat system.

WRPGs are more appealing right now, but JPRPGs are still fun.