JRPGs are Casual

Why do people consider some JRPGs as hardcore? Especially some MMOs.

There is absolutely nothing hardcore about a JRPG. Since when did time sinks become hardcore? I thought hardcore gaming was all about the challenge of the game, not grinding mindlessly for hours until your wizard gets another 40 levels.

Why do people consider some JRPGs as hardcore? Especially some MMOs.

There is absolutely nothing hardcore about a JRPG. Since when did time sinks become hardcore? I thought hardcore gaming was all about the challenge of the game, not grinding mindlessly for hours until your wizard gets another 40 levels.

NintendoBoy1996

Especially some MMOs.

NintendoBoy1996

You make some absurd state mates.

wait what?

[QUOTE="NintendoBoy1996"]

Especially some MMOs.

SragentThom

You make some absurd state mates.

What? Most MMOs are extremely casual, and just filled with so much grinding that you want to vomit. Just look at WoW. It's not hard, it's just time consuming.

This topic is'nt controversial. In fact, it's nearly troll'ish.

Your sig alone proves that your statements hold no ground here

Are you angry because the 360/ps3 has more than double the amount of jrpgs the Wii has?

And grinding has ALWAYS been around. But I guess everyone is just used to instant gratification. Thanks for proving a point

I guess that's why a lot of people get their ass kicked by a lot of bosses in JRPGs.

how are they casual each one packs hundreds of hours of gameplay.

I guess a few MMO's are casual (if you count games like Toon Towns and Club Penguins as MMO's :P)

troll'ish.Filthybastrd

Protip: all NintendoBoy1996 threads are troll threads.

Why do people consider some JRPGs as hardcore? Especially some MMOs.

There is absolutely nothing hardcore about a JRPG. Since when did time sinks become hardcore? I thought hardcore gaming was all about the challenge of the game, not grinding mindlessly for hours until your wizard gets another 40 levels.

I guess that's why a lot of people get their ass kicked by a lot of bosses in JRPGs.

BioShockOwnz

[QUOTE="NintendoBoy1996"]

Why do people consider some JRPGs as hardcore? Especially some MMOs.

There is absolutely nothing hardcore about a JRPG. Since when did time sinks become hardcore? I thought hardcore gaming was all about the challenge of the game, not grinding mindlessly for hours until your wizard gets another 40 levels.

Animal-Mother

With very generic and boring long caves.. A bad story.. And grinding!

Why do people consider some JRPGs as hardcore? Especially some MMOs.

There is absolutely nothing hardcore about a JRPG. Since when did time sinks become hardcore? I thought hardcore gaming was all about the challenge of the game, not grinding mindlessly for hours until your wizard gets another 40 levels.

NintendoBoy1996

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

I guess that's why a lot of people get their ass kicked by a lot of bosses in JRPGs.

Animal-Mother

Cause I like kick ass fighting games. Anime does suck, though. I try to skip every single line of dialogue, or else I'll want to chop all their heads off and stop the anime talk.

And, of course, because I can.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]troll'ish.Velocitas8uot

Protip: all NintendoBoy1996 threads are troll threads.

I would have never guessed.

[QUOTE="SragentThom"]

[QUOTE="NintendoBoy1996"]

Especially some MMOs.

NintendoBoy1996

You make some absurd state mates.

What? Most MMOs are extremely casual, and just filled with so much grinding that you want to vomit. Just look at WoW. It's not hard, it's just time consuming.

Which is why everyone beats every boss in wow... oh wait... and it's not even time consuming anymore :lol:

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

I guess that's why a lot of people get their ass kicked by a lot of bosses in JRPGs.

BioShockOwnz

Cause I like kick ass fighting games. Anime does suck, though. I try to skip every single line of dialogue, or else I'll want to chop all their heads off and stop the anime talk.

Yeah me to.The only ANIME I can stand is Tales of phantasa or Nintendo rpgs

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

I guess that's why a lot of people get their ass kicked by a lot of bosses in JRPGs.

BioShockOwnz

Cause I like kick ass fighting games. Anime does suck, though. I try to skip every single line of dialogue, or else I'll want to chop all their heads off and stop the anime talk.

And, of course, because I can.

No, a game is as casual or hardcore as you make it.

how are they casual each one packs hundreds of hours of gameplay.

I guess a few MMO's are casual (if you count games like Toon Towns and Club Penguins as MMO's :P)

dragonfly110

how are they casual each one packs hundreds of hours of gameplay.

I guess a few MMO's are casual (if you count games like Toon Towns and Club Penguins as MMO's :P)

dragonfly110

Cause the hours consisting of grinding isn't the most casual thing known to man?

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] hey question. Not to be rude or anything but i find this sorta of ironic. In a sig of yours a while back you put I hate anime. Why are you playing blazblue? Animal-Mother

Cause I like kick ass fighting games. Anime does suck, though. I try to skip every single line of dialogue, or else I'll want to chop all their heads off and stop the anime talk.

And, of course, because I can.

I play every game I discuss that is currently on retail shelves. I will never speak without having educated thoughts. I have judged things too early from demos, though, and ended up liking or hating the final product more than the demo.

The developers themselves consider JRPGs to quite casual alot of the time. Take FF12 for example. That game was supposed to be more casual and laid back because according to the developers that's what the Japanesse gamers like, and this was achieved by putting in 10s of hours of grinding and ridiculously long boss fights... wait a minute, how did they plan to make a casual game by making the player play the game for 100 hours just to beat the game, and then add in some of the most brutally difficult side content ever while at the same time having the game use a largely real time combat system which often required quick thinking aswell as forcing the player to program their team mates to make sure they would perform as required and then also implement a leveling system that meant the player had to decide how to develop that character (Which is incredibly rare in JRPG.)? I suppose it depends on what way you look at it, but games that force you to take a more tactical approach can't really be considered all that casual. Games like LO which are incredibly fredinly to JRPGs players are quite simple though, and don't really require much thought to beat for the most part. Even the hardest bits were fairly easy(At least in my opinion.) Ironically though I found games like FF12 to be significantly more challenging. I don't think you can call a game "hardcore" (Or more realisticlyjust tough.) simply because it's a JRPG, but you can still find some incredibly challenging JRPGs.

[QUOTE="NintendoBoy1996"]

[QUOTE="SragentThom"]

You make some absurd state mates.

Espada12

What? Most MMOs are extremely casual, and just filled with so much grinding that you want to vomit. Just look at WoW. It's not hard, it's just time consuming.

Which is why everyone beats every boss in wow... oh wait... and it's not even time consuming anymore :lol:

It's not difficult to finish a dungeon in an MMO.

You just need a raid group of reclusive neckbeards who are able to follow simple orders that a chimp would be able to do. For example, stand out of the fire, click the orb when it's glowing, etc. The problem is, most people aren't very bright and they just goof around, or they aren't geared well enough so they need to grind for more gold to buy more enchants, or go back and grind bosses they've already finished for armor. It's a time sink, nothing more, nothing less. The hardest thing about an MMO, is dealing with the other not-so-bright players, and that's not even gameplay related.

Why Hasn't this guy been banned yet?! :? BoloTheGreat

Nope most likely suspend like I have.

[QUOTE="NintendoBoy1996"]

[QUOTE="SragentThom"]

You make some absurd state mates.

Espada12

What? Most MMOs are extremely casual, and just filled with so much grinding that you want to vomit. Just look at WoW. It's not hard, it's just time consuming.

Which is why everyone beats every boss in wow... oh wait... and it's not even time consuming anymore :lol:

You do realize that the harder boss fights in WoW are just gear and retard checks? No big amount skill is needed since the patterns are very easy, just listen to someone explaining the tactics and you will be fine. And if your tanks and healers grinded for good enough gear then you will survive the gear checks...

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] hey question. Not to be rude or anything but i find this sorta of ironic. In a sig of yours a while back you put I hate anime. Why are you playing blazblue? SragentThom

Cause I like kick ass fighting games. Anime does suck, though. I try to skip every single line of dialogue, or else I'll want to chop all their heads off and stop the anime talk.

Yeah me to.The only ANIME I can stand is Tales of phantasa or Nintendo rpgs

Anime kitsch is not something I mind in games, it's just that it has been particularly bad this gen in games like Star Ocean: The Last Hope and The World Ends with You. The annoying teenage characters and tired plotlines in these games seem to be getting worse and worse.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Cause I like kick ass fighting games. Anime does suck, though. I try to skip every single line of dialogue, or else I'll want to chop all their heads off and stop the anime talk.

And, of course, because I can.

BioShockOwnz

I play every game I discuss. I will never speak without having educated thoughts. I have judged things too early from demos, though, and ended up liking or hating the final product more than the demo.

[QUOTE="dragonfly110"]

how are they casual each one packs hundreds of hours of gameplay.

I guess a few MMO's are casual (if you count games like Toon Towns and Club Penguins as MMO's :P)

LittleHands134

but the thing is that in RPG's you arent simply doing that, I dont have experience with MMO's because I just dont play them, but in RPG's the gameplay is always challenging and entertaining and there are millions of side quests and the games require good skill at gameplay to beat them fully, true you CAN play them casually but in general they are made directly for the hardcore audience.

TC I can tell you've haven't played to many JRPG's game outside of the FF series and thse NIS/Gust titles. Go play Demon Soul, some older MegaTen titles, Vagrant Story, FF:Tactics (only hardcore FF title), and so many more on the Snes, PSX, Sega systems, PS2, PC (most of them never came stateside)and come back and say the same thing. I forgot to add the Dragon Quest series and Final Fantasy XI (Only so called MMO title I've palyed)

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[QUOTE="NintendoBoy1996"]

What? Most MMOs are extremely casual, and just filled with so much grinding that you want to vomit. Just look at WoW. It's not hard, it's just time consuming.

LittleHands134

Which is why everyone beats every boss in wow... oh wait... and it's not even time consuming anymore :lol:

It's not difficult to finish a dungeon in an MMO.

You just need a raid group of reclusive neckbeards who are able to follow simple orders that a chimp would be able to do. For example, stand out of the fire, click the orb when it's glowing, etc. The problem is, most people aren't very bright and they just goof around, or they aren't geared well enough so they need to grind for more gold to buy more enchants, or go back and grind bosses they've already finished for armor. It's a time sink, nothing more, nothing less. The hardest thing about an MMO, is dealing with the other not-so-bright players, and that's not even gameplay related.

I just wish they IMPROVED on the AI in games like the tales series and make good use of the 360's or ps3 CPU

Gamecube AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48GMdxTI6Pk

Tales of Symphonia

360

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXCEd1CgtpA&feature=related

Tales of Vesperia

As you can see the AI haven improved much

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="NintendoBoy1996"]

What? Most MMOs are extremely casual, and just filled with so much grinding that you want to vomit. Just look at WoW. It's not hard, it's just time consuming.

omgimba

Which is why everyone beats every boss in wow... oh wait... and it's not even time consuming anymore :lol:

You do realize that the harder boss fights in WoW are just gear and retard checks? No big amount skill is needed since the patterns are very easy, just listen to someone explaining the tactics and you will be fine. And if your tanks and healers grinded for good enough gear then you will survive the gear checks...

Are you saying that 98% of wow players are retarded then?

TC I can tell you've haven't played to many JRPG's game outside of the FF series and thse NIS/Gust titles. Go play Demon Soul, some older MegaTen titles, Vagrant Story, FF:Tactics (only hardcore FF title), and so many more on the Snes, PSX, Sega systems, PS2, PC (most of them never came stateside)and come back and say the same thing.

jasonharris48

FF:Tactics, great as it is, is incredibly easy for the most part. There are about 2 or 3 difficult sections, and none of them are in the final chapter, which is the longest. The last strech of the game is a cakewalk. The end of chapter 3 was brutal, and it required alot of grinding before hand, but it was still possible with the correct tactics. Another difficult part was the start because it was confusing. Past a couple more slightly challenging sections it's one of the easiser SRPGs. Both FF7 and FF12 were much more challenging for example. I wouldn't call FF:Tactics "Hardcore".

Why do people consider some JRPGs as hardcore? Especially some MMOs.

There is absolutely nothing hardcore about a JRPG. Since when did time sinks become hardcore? I thought hardcore gaming was all about the challenge of the game, not grinding mindlessly for hours until your wizard gets another 40 levels.

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

TC I can tell you've haven't played to many JRPG's game outside of the FF series and thse NIS/Gust titles. Go play Demon Soul, some older MegaTen titles, Vagrant Story, FF:Tactics (only hardcore FF title), and so many more on the Snes, PSX, Sega systems, PS2, PC (most of them never came stateside)and come back and say the same thing.

WasntAvailable

FF:Tactics, great as it is, is incredibly easy for the most part. There are about 2 or 3 difficult sections, and none of them are in the final chapter, which is the longest. The last strech of the game is a cakewalk. The end of chapter 3 was brutal, and it required alot of grinding before hand, but it was still possible with the correct tactics. Another difficult part was the start because it was confusing. Past a couple more slightly challenging sections it's one of the easiser SRPGs. Both FF7 and FF12 were much more challenging for example. I wouldn't call FF:Tactics "Hardcore".

[QUOTE="SragentThom"]

[QUOTE="NintendoBoy1996"]

Especially some MMOs.

NintendoBoy1996

You make some absurd state mates.

What? Most MMOs are extremely casual, and just filled with so much grinding that you want to vomit. Just look at WoW. It's not hard, it's just time consuming.

Lol. I played WoW for 4 years. I managed to be one of the very few retri paladins back in TBC that got 2000 rating in 2v2, and by few I mean around 20-30 players. I barely put any time into farming, I didn't do any raiding. All I did was arena, 1-2 hours a day.

Nice try though.

Games like Disgaea 3 are just as hardcore as anything you may find in any other genre. :\Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

TC I can tell you've haven't played to many JRPG's game outside of the FF series and thse NIS/Gust titles. Go play Demon Soul, some older MegaTen titles, Vagrant Story, FF:Tactics (only hardcore FF title), and so many more on the Snes, PSX, Sega systems, PS2, PC (most of them never came stateside)and come back and say the same thing.

jasonharris48

FF:Tactics, great as it is, is incredibly easy for the most part. There are about 2 or 3 difficult sections, and none of them are in the final chapter, which is the longest. The last strech of the game is a cakewalk. The end of chapter 3 was brutal, and it required alot of grinding before hand, but it was still possible with the correct tactics. Another difficult part was the start because it was confusing. Past a couple more slightly challenging sections it's one of the easiser SRPGs. Both FF7 and FF12 were much more challenging for example. I wouldn't call FF:Tactics "Hardcore".

I still found FF7 and FF12 much more difficult than Tactics, FF12 espically. Tactics is very confusing to understand when you first start playing because its tutorials are crap. Seriously, I've never played a game with so many tutorials before, most of which could have been explained with simple in game text by example and practice. It also suffered from awful pacing which made it more difficult at all the wrong places, and meant alot of unnesecary grinding that left you overpowered. If you could draw a chart of the difficulty of FF:Tactics it would be all over the place starting incredibly high.

I alway though that casual by defintion when talking in these contexts mean: Lacking a high degree of interest and devotion. so i say how can JRPG's and MMORG's some of if not the mosts lenghty time/effort consuming games are casual? Hell better yet how can games be casual, they don't have interests nor devotions?

Lol, yeah, the Dragon Quest and Star Ocean games are REALLY casual :lol:

[QUOTE="omgimba"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Which is why everyone beats every boss in wow... oh wait... and it's not even time consuming anymore :lol:

Espada12

You do realize that the harder boss fights in WoW are just gear and retard checks? No big amount skill is needed since the patterns are very easy, just listen to someone explaining the tactics and you will be fine. And if your tanks and healers grinded for good enough gear then you will survive the gear checks...

Are you saying that 98% of wow players are retarded then?

According to my experiance most WoW players aren't very bright.. Kinda ruined the game for me.. So many level 80s.. So many who can't follow easy directions..

[QUOTE="omgimba"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Which is why everyone beats every boss in wow... oh wait... and it's not even time consuming anymore :lol:

Espada12

You do realize that the harder boss fights in WoW are just gear and retard checks? No big amount skill is needed since the patterns are very easy, just listen to someone explaining the tactics and you will be fine. And if your tanks and healers grinded for good enough gear then you will survive the gear checks...

Are you saying that 98% of wow players are retarded then?

I've been a WoW player for 4 years. Yes, 98% of the players are retarded.